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Back on the 1935 kick.
This one just made it to the 5 digit mark. FB FPS added at the 8400 mark.
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The Dumb Gun Collector
05-10-14, 11:52
I tried to pick up one of the surplus ones on AIM yesterday but they sold out fast.
MountainRaven
05-10-14, 12:03
I tried to pick up one of the surplus ones on AIM yesterday but they sold out fast.
They still have the alloy frame ones....
theJanitor
05-10-14, 12:16
Lots of love for the P35 in my past
Yost:
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8367/8402902358_25ac021015_c.jpg
Sokol:
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Heinie:
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The Dumb Gun Collector
05-10-14, 12:45
I would love to have a Sokol P35
I had a mild interest in the Hi-power until recently when I saw an old police trade-in at a local shop and finally got a chance to hold one. Oh my that feels so right. So I'm eager to actually own one now.
SeriousStudent
05-11-14, 00:23
I had a mild interest in the Hi-power until recently when I saw an old police trade-in at a local shop and finally got a chance to hold one. Oh my that feels so right. So I'm eager to actually own one now.
That's always been my feeling as well. Back in the day, if you had a BHP with either some nice rosewood grips or a set of Pachmayr's, it was like shaking the hand of a long-lost friend.
That's always been my feeling as well. Back in the day, if you had a BHP with either some nice rosewood grips or a set of Pachmayr's, it was like shaking the hand of a long-lost friend.
Interesting tid-bit - my C & T series guns all had flat bottom FPSs. And "light" recoil springs and hammer springs. They ejected brass half the distance as my Mk3s.
They are truly lovely guns. My favorite handgun of all.
A MK III Hi-Power is definitely way up there on my list of need-to-try-out pistols. I'd probably have just purchased one to test out long ago if they weren't $800-900.
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My 1969 sporting some Spegel grips. I had Mr. Spegel make me some grips for my dad, brother, and I from walnut from a tree that was in front of the house we grew up in.
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My Mk3 I gave to my dad that I dehorned, added some (modified) Novak Sights, cut the hammer a bit, ditched the ambi safety, and reblued in matte blue. Turned out okay. It now wears Spegels as well but this pic doesn't show it. Fun project.
Never owned one, but have been interested from time to time. I shot one at Buds gun range with my brother on steel reactionary targets, it worked out very nice.
Don Robison
05-11-14, 10:54
I love them, unfortunately my only current one is an FM. I love it and it shoots well, but it's just not a Browning/FN.
Full house by Action Works sporting Black T and thin micarta grips.
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beschatten
05-11-14, 13:16
I had a mild interest in the Hi-power until recently when I saw an old police trade-in at a local shop and finally got a chance to hold one. Oh my that feels so right. So I'm eager to actually own one now.
Mirrors my reaction as well. Went into a fun store--was torn between a Colt S70 and a MK3 BHP. I have been planning a new build for a while so I went with the S70 Repro but... I gotta give it to the BHP. It felt like it was molded for my hand. The trigger pull kind of sucked but nothing a few months and a check written out to Don Williams couldn't fix...
Once I pay off the 3 1911s that are out right now, a BHP will be on my list to own.
I have a pretty decent collection of HiPowers. On top is a 9mm hard chromed alloy framed HiPower and on the bottom is a blued one chambered in 30Luger.
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Love my '68 T series and late '50s thumbprint.
wetidlerjr
05-12-14, 18:49
Any P35 love here?.
Sent from my SGH-T889 using TapatalkNone from me as it isn't a 1911.
quite right ..... it is NOT a 1911....it IS an IMPROVED 1911.....:D
I have one built by Kurt Wickmann (former Novak's smith) which is a really nice job. Also a couple of MK III's which are totally usable in their own right.
Great guns.
theJanitor
05-13-14, 00:52
I'd love a Wickman gun!
I grew into pistols in the late 70's and early 80's, reading about the SAS using the BHP. My check out of boot camp was spent on a brand new P-35. I had it for many years, but ultimately sold it to fund my 1st 1911. My biggest issue was hammer bite, due to being a bit fleshy in the web of the hand. I still think it's one of the best looking guns on the market. I'd like to have another some day, but would probably have to get a beavertail welded up on it.
wetidlerjr
05-13-14, 12:14
quite right ..... it is NOT a 1911....it IS an IMPROVED 1911.....:DYeah, you can tell that by the hundreds of thousands of people beating down the LGS's doors to get one.
SeriousStudent
05-13-14, 22:54
Yeah, you can tell that by the hundreds of thousands of people beating down the LGS's doors to get one.
I'd encourage you to stop pissing in an IP's thread. Your participation in this thread is now concluded.
brickboy240
05-14-14, 12:15
True...the P-35 may not be overly popular in the USA, however, in many parts of the world, the P-35 has served long and well and is very popular.
More armies carried the P-35 that did the M1911.
(...seriously)
-brickboy240
I love the BHP/P35 but don't see it as an improvement over the 1911. It's different, great in its own way.
I finally picked one up last year. Honestly I wish I would have done so sooner.
Now I'm just saving up to turn it into an heirloom. I have a list of every good HP smith mentioned on the board, next step is to make a decision on who to send it to.
I've owned several MK111s, and each had target accuracy and ate without fail many different ammo types. Factory triggers are heavy with creep but can be improved by removing the mag dis-connect. The trigger mechanism is slightly complex with a long reset and requires a skilled technician to produce a light and creep free pull. The slide is light weight. Some experts warn against using +p ammo. The 17 lb recoil spring and 32 lb hammer spring are intended to slow down slide velocity. Because I sometimes fire hot loads in my BHP, I have not changed spring strengths. Retracting the pistol's slide is more difficult than pulling back a Glock 19 or 1911 or Beretta 92 slide. Going to condition 2 by lowering the hammer with one's thumb is a tad risky in light of the 32 lb hammer spring and invites a negligent discharge.
Price on these guns will only go up. I predict that the BHP's high manufacturing cost, its single action only mode, and the move toward striker fired and polymer handguns will force Browning to discontinue this fine pistol. Right now they're sleepers.
I carried a MKIII for a couple of years. Very nice gun, but too small, slippery, and difficult to manipulate for me. Not to mention the incessant hammer bite and that annoying dustcover on the slide stop.
A gov't size 1911 works better for me.
Much love here. I currently have 7 alloy framed HP's that I am going to fully rebuild.
C4
Novak Alloy Framed
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Nazi HP W/holster
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None from me as it isn't a 1911.
It is (arguably) a more reliable gun with more capacity. I would take one into combat over a 1911.
As a 1911 fan (as well), you have to acknowledge that the HP is simply a fantastic weapon.
C4
I have to agree with Grant on this point. I love my 1911s but my BHP is my gun of choice for real work.
It is (arguably) a more reliable gun with more capacity. I would take one into combat over a 1911.
As a 1911 fan (as well), you have to acknowledge that the HP is simply a fantastic weapon.
C4
I'd certainly agree with that, given the magazines for both.
P35s are very much short changed in the sidearm world.
BTW, I lust after every Novak P35 I see. Is that a Wickmann gun?
theJanitor
05-17-14, 18:18
When I bought my first hipower, I sold nearly every Glock/M&P I had. I only kept one G17
The 1911 and the P35 are extremely capable, and handle tasks with truly sophisticated style.
dwhitehorne
05-17-14, 19:43
Lots of P35 love but they hate me. I've tried the FN, a few FM's and a MkII and III Browning. All of them ate up the web of my hand. Until I can find the money for a custom beaver tail I'll just be stuck looking at the fine pictures posted. David
MountainRaven
05-17-14, 20:33
I already mentioned this in another thread, but someone needs to seriously do some production BHP-clones with popular custom features already included from the factory. (Front- and back strap checkering, magazine disconnect safety removed (or optional - I kinda like it, since it is in the original specs), beaver tail, commander-style hammer, &c.)
How is it that the CZ75 has so many clones with its tiny, nearly impossible to grasp slide, but the BHP has to languish in obscurity?
I already mentioned this in another thread, but someone needs to seriously do some production BHP-clones with popular custom features already included from the factory. (Front- and back strap checkering, magazine disconnect safety removed (or optional - I kinda like it, since it is in the original specs), beaver tail, commander-style hammer, &c.)
How is it that the CZ75 has so many clones with its tiny, nearly impossible to grasp slide, but the BHP has to languish in obscurity?
Chuck Warner.
His P35 parts are without equal.
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Lots of P35 love but they hate me. I've tried the FN, a few FM's and a MkII and III Browning. All of them ate up the web of my hand. Until I can find the money for a custom beaver tail I'll just be stuck looking at the fine pictures posted. David
You can either install a commander style hammer, or just bob the spur hammer a bit to solve hammer bite.
I bought my MK III Hi Power new in 1994, and it has been one of my most accurate pistols. As said, they are very reliable. It is right sized for the 9MM cartridge.
theJanitor
05-18-14, 12:41
Yep, Chuck Warner's shop is up and running. His 1911 and BHP frames look great
Chuck Warner is making new Hi Power frames?
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beschatten
05-18-14, 22:34
What's with the jump in popularity for alloy-framed BHPs? Aside from weight savings I don't see why anyone would select alloy over the MKIII cast frame.
Chuck Warner is making new Hi Power frames?
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I was going to ask the same thing. Went to his site and it seems like it was under construction with nothing but contact info. Would be interested to read more on this.
What's with the jump in popularity for alloy-framed BHPs? Aside from weight savings I don't see why anyone would select alloy over the MKIII cast frame.
I wouldn't say that it's a jump in popularity. Alloy frames were not available until these surplus pistols began trickling in over the past few years. They were not offered for sale via normal commercial channels. The weight savings is the reason that someone would select an alloy frame over the cast MKIII frame.
Florida Arms does list alloy HP frames as being available. However, from what I've read elsewhere, the cost is high and you'd have to buy a large quantity.
http://www.floridaarms.com/request_rfq.php
You'd think that if Florida Arms was going to go through the trouble of making HP frames, they offer one with an extended beaver tail, but it doesn't appear that they do.
I wouldn't say that it's a jump in popularity. Alloy frames were not available until these surplus pistols began trickling in over the past few years. They were not offered for sale via normal commercial channels. The weight savings is the reason that someone would select an alloy frame over the cast MKIII frame.
Florida Arms does list alloy HP frames as being available. However, from what I've read elsewhere, the cost is high and you'd have to buy a large quantity.
http://www.floridaarms.com/request_rfq.php
You'd think that if Florida Arms was going to go through the trouble of making HP frames, they offer one with an extended beaver tail, but it doesn't appear that they do.
Maybe this will help...
http://www.1911pro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2272
While I love the 1911 in 45 acp and more so in 38 Super,the Hi-power is my favorite EDC. The MK111 is my favorite 9mm . On my hip or nite-stand it has earned a place by being accurate and 100%reliable over 4 decades and closer to 5 now with dozen or so. Even the old warhorse the 1944 John Inglis.
beschatten
05-21-14, 09:43
Maybe this will help...
http://www.1911pro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2272
This is good info. I'm glad to see CW take on such a huge project. Hopefully production capacity meets the demand.
Magic_Salad0892
05-21-14, 15:53
Maybe this will help...
http://www.1911pro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2272
That's very interesting. Consider my interest in a 9x19mm Hi Power, piqued.
It is (arguably) a more reliable gun with more capacity. I would take one into combat over a 1911.
As a 1911 fan (as well), you have to acknowledge that the HP is simply a fantastic weapon.
Sure. Love mine.
In a really bad place, give me Old Slabsides, though.
This thread has got me on the look out for a P35!
Grand58742
05-22-14, 13:01
A site that has all sorts of info on the HP:
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/HiPowerComments.html
I had an old Mk II that was one of my first handguns. I sold it before going overseas and regretted it ever since. I have one of the FEG copies done by Cole Distributing I picked up since then and it's a good shooter. Still hate the hammer bite though.
I think the Hi Power is one of the best 9mm pistols out there. Here are a couple of my Cold War warriors. British L9A1 Hi Power along with British issued BUG (NATO/German military proofed marked Walther PPK), and a modified/custom military (215 prefix) Hi Power. The small areas are oil from storage.
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Joe,
Those are a couple of nice high powers.
teutonicpolymer
05-25-14, 15:50
I loooove the HiPower and I really wish there was an improved version for sale that had all of these things out of the factory:
-1911 style safety
-Milled for Novak sights
-Slightly larger frame so the magwell can be made larger
-No magazine disconnect
-Wider trigger
-Checkered front strap
-Checkered wood grips
-Round lightweight hammer
-Either stainless slide and frame (maybe melonited?) or some treatment that is more durable than bluing i.e. hard chrome, np3, parkerized, whatever
-Stainless barrel and guide rod
The Warner thread has me questioning how badly my son needs a college education.
FWIW, I've found that with the BHP, spur hammers don't bite my hand but ring hammers do. It's the opposite with the 1911.
Okie John
Magic_Salad0892
05-25-14, 20:03
I loooove the HiPower and I really wish there was an improved version for sale that had all of these things out of the factory:
-1911 style safety
-Milled for Novak sights
-Slightly larger frame so the magwell can be made larger
-No magazine disconnect
-Wider trigger
-Checkered front strap
-Checkered wood grips
-Round lightweight hammer
-Either stainless slide and frame (maybe melonited?) or some treatment that is more durable than bluing i.e. hard chrome, np3, parkerized, whatever
-Stainless barrel and guide rod
My dream Hi-Power would be:
Short 4'' barrel/slide.
Standard length carbon steel frame.
.40 profile slide.
Thicker frame.
Beveled magazine well.
Checkered front strap.
Checkered rear strap. (both at 25lpi)
Beavertail (not obnoxiously long though)
Carbon steel match barrel.
Wide trigger.
No mag disconnect.
1911 style safety.
Novak sight cuts.
Melonite, or IonBond DLC finish.
9x19mm chambering.
The Warner thread has me questioning how badly my son needs a college education.
FWIW, I've found that with the BHP, spur hammers don't bite my hand but ring hammers do. It's the opposite with the 1911.
Okie John
If I am correctly understanding that Chuck is going to be building complete Hi Powers on "better" frames then I will be watching carefully.
I wonder if they will go with the traditional trigger setup or take creative license with the geometry from the get-go.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?133199-CDI-Sales-High-Powers
I wonder if they will go with the traditional trigger setup or take creative license with the geometry from the get-go.
No idea. I just hope they stick with OEM magazines.
Okie John
No idea. I just hope they stick with OEM magazines.
Okie John
Agreed. I have a ton of them.
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One of my P35s along with a customers.
I can't recommend Chuck Warners parts highly enough.
Chuck, we need thumb safeties. Badly.
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wilsoncombatrep
05-26-14, 17:38
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One of my P35s along with a customers.
I can't recommend Chuck Warners parts highly enough.
Chuck, we need thumb safeties. Badly.
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You have been holding out on me buddy
Who? Me?
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shadenfreude
05-26-14, 20:00
All I can say is d@mn you all now all I can think about is buying another one.
The one BHP I had is the only gun I regret selling. As others have mentioned, the grip is absolutely fantastic. When holding it, I was always remember thinking, why did frames of other 9mm pistols get so big?
Sold it due to the very crapy trigger pull and hammer bite. On retrospect, I should have kept it and addressed those issues.
For a unique client wanting a gun that looks stock/issued on rough inspection:
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140527_112400_zps0tdb4tut.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140527_112400_zps0tdb4tut.jpg.html)
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Before even stripping the gun:
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P35s have a great ROI on work done. The guns aren't fragile, they aren't problematic. They just need to be taken from the "1911" phase to the "1911A2" phase. (1911A2 being the Combat Special)
mkmckinley
05-27-14, 11:25
Bill what barrel are you going to use for that build?
P35s have a great ROI on work done. The guns aren't fragile, they aren't problematic. They just need to be taken from the "1911" phase to the "1911A2" phase. (1911A2 being the Combat Special)
Where can I find more on this level of evolution?
Thanks,
Okie John
MountainRaven
05-27-14, 17:20
Is a $2500 Novak gun worth it? Does a stock Browning need any work on it to make it 'GTG'?
Does a stock Browning need any work on it to make it 'GTG'?
From a reliability standpoint, the current MkIII HiPowers are 100% reliable right out of the box.
I'm wondering how well one might do as a pistol for 3 gun, given that they're reliable and do not have that awful mushy polymer striker gun trigger.
As much as I like my HiPowers, their triggers (even after removing the mag disconnect safeties) are not as good as the trigger on my G23.
MountainRaven
05-27-14, 22:35
As much as I like my HiPowers, their triggers (even after removing the mag disconnect safeties) are not as good as the trigger on my G23.
You must have an exceptionally nice trigger in your G23.
This thread has got me on the look out for a P35!
And it resulted in my putting the grab on MKIII in .40 earlier today.I can't wait for it to arrive!
MountainRaven
05-29-14, 20:54
Now we all need gun leather.
What are the favorites, there?
I carried a 1978 polished blue, fixed-sight Hi Power for 12 years, 5 days a week while managing several gun stores a few years back---cocked & locked always. Despite my large, but not meaty hands, the thing never bit me (but then neither does my SIG P210-2). Feed ramp on this earlier pistol was polished and before I owned it, the mag safety was removed. Ran 100% and shot to point of aim---whats not to like. Over the years a few P35s came and went, but still have three---a mint 69C series (maybe 150 rds fired from new)---and a more recent MK111 matte finish FN marked pistol with factory SFS system---a truly superb shooter. Many guns have stayed a while, but the Hi Power is certainly one of the very best!
As far as gun leather, I'm using two older holsters---one by Milt Sparks and another by my old friend (RIP), Gordon Davis...
teutonicpolymer
05-30-14, 04:35
Browning has a Hi-Power "standard" thatI had not noticed before
Looks real good with the wood grips
Beavage
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As much as I like my HiPowers, their triggers (even after removing the mag disconnect safeties) are not as good as the trigger on my G23.
I would agree that only removing the mag disconnect safety on the BHP does not get the trigger into the stellar category.
I carry a G23 often and it has about as good a trigger as a Glock can have (a 3.5 lb trigger connector and 6 lb trigger spring get you to a better place, cheaply and easily; no polishing needed because shooting polishes the contact points in just the right places) -- light but spongy.
The relatively decent Glock trigger is not anywhere near as clean and crisp as a BHP with a competently mated Cylinder&Slide hammer and sear, sear having the secondary angle cut. The C&S sears are of good quality but need TLC to get the best result. A Garthwaite trigger (which automatically means no magazine disconnect safety as that aftermarket trigger has no hole for the MDS pin) doesn't hurt with the feel, either.
My own BHP's trigger is set up as described above. The trigger gets rave reviews with those I let shoot it, and I love it myself, of course.
There is one area where the Glock trigger is better. It has a shorter reset than the BHP's.
MountainRaven
06-02-14, 12:52
So now I have a BHP, no thanks to you lot, but I seem to be having some difficulty finding something to actually carry it in. OWB, leather preferably (I bought the blued "standard" MkIII, not the epoxy-finished MkIII), and available. All I'm turning up are holsters for 1911s (tried the BHP in my 1911 holsters and aside from an EPS M1912 repro, it doesn't really fit any of them). Anybody have any pointers or suggestions?
Battlepack
06-02-14, 13:08
All I'm turning up are holsters for 1911s (tried the BHP in my 1911 holsters and aside from an EPS M1912 repro, it doesn't really fit any of them). Anybody have any pointers or suggestions?
Tucker Gunleather pancake holster. One of the most comfortable gun/holster combos I have, if you don't mind waiting for it.
teutonicpolymer
06-02-14, 13:59
Is it possible to mimic the Buckmark trigger with the BHP?
And Milt Sparks makes BHP holsters I believe
brickboy240
06-02-14, 14:54
I second the Tucker Pancake holster....have one for my P35 and yes...very comfy.
Well made, too.
-brickboy240
For holsters, I love all the Milt Sparks gear I've ever owned. I gave my dad a Sparks Executives Companion and dbl mag pouch for Christmas. Very comfortable IWB rig. For OWB, folks rave about their 55BN's, but it's all up to you. Anything from any of the good makers (Sparks, 5Shot, Del Fatti, etc.) would be excellent.
MountainRaven
06-02-14, 23:20
Anything that might be stock and ready to ship immediately? I'm not finding anything and I don't object to getting something nicer later on, but it would be nice to have something now. I'll probably get a Tucker HF1 but until it shows up....
Thanks!
Alaska3006
06-03-14, 00:28
I brought back a P35 from Iraq military with the big Iraq Eagle on top.......traded it off wish I still had it now!
Has been in the works for a while. The only outward change to the base gun, and still not immediately obvious to a non-P35 junkie IMO. The test gun (not this one, this one belongs to a gov't type) had an EB welded to it with ugliness as a result. This was built up until it was just long enough to fit my fat hand w/o the possibility of hammer bite with a stock spur hammer (which, incidentally, will be mag particle inspected, stress relieved, lightened and bobbed for good measure).
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Note the dimples. Those will come out as the extension is thinned. It's still too thick as is. Gonna be filed and blended with abrasive cloth.
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http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_091234_zpsfijdvqcv.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_091234_zpsfijdvqcv.jpg.html)
For comparision, a standard Mk3
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_091225_zpsphc9mauy.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_091225_zpsphc9mauy.jpg.html)
and a side by side with a Mk3
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_091210_zpsqk4qskc4.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_091210_zpsqk4qskc4.jpg.html)
Thinking about offering this to gunsmiths for about $125 w/o refinishing, with final finishing to be done by them.
Should blue nicely still, given the bath that will be used.
More pics
Compared with a CZ85
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_104431_zpsksvq8kye.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_104431_zpsksvq8kye.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_104534_zpsiifceq4a.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_104534_zpsiifceq4a.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140603_104553_zpsyggqlad3.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140603_104553_zpsyggqlad3.jpg.html)
When you have a CZ next to a P35, you see just how wrong the "CZ is the product improved P35" line is.
brickboy240
06-03-14, 10:51
If you change the hammer to the C&S Rowel one...you don't need to spend the dough on modding the frame and then re-finishing the gun.
I did just that and have never felt hammer bite.
-brickboy240
If you change the hammer to the C&S Rowel one...you don't need to spend the dough on modding the frame and then re-finishing the gun.
I did just that and have never felt hammer bite.
-brickboy240
I'd suggest a beavertail will do more than just remedy hammer bite.
I carried one back in the late 80's until the agency I worked for issued Sig 226's. Getting away from condition 1 pistols per SOP.
It had the adjustable rear sight and Rosewood grips. Sent it to C&S shop for the thumb safety and have them clip 2 groves off the hammer and reshape. Took all the bite out for me. I had previously removed the mag disconnect safety myself. Bought Pachmayr magazines and Ted Blocker duty holster and double mag pouch. Since I could not carry the pistol on/off duty I got rid of it like a Big Dufus.
MountainRaven
06-04-14, 20:15
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/photo-32_zpsc487e1bd.jpg
The Browning Hi Power MkIII "standard" wasn't quite standard enough. Or I suppose I could call it classic enough.
In any case, never worked on a BHP before. The thumb safety is still pretty stiff and will get some more fitting but every thing is together and seems to be working. I wasn't especially worried about the hammer biting me, but now I have absolutely no fear of that happening.
I would have done VZ's double diamonds classic-ness, but Simonichs seem more appropriate for a Montana BHP.
ETA: And now the safety is completely, properly fitted and tight but not too tight... and now when I have the VZs on the pistol, the mags won't drop free. But when they're off, they do. WTF?
ETA2: It's that the slide wasn't on the pistol. No slide = no drop (fly) free mags.
Top part shaping up.
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http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140606_104137_zpszdnnertn.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140606_104137_zpszdnnertn.jpg.html)
I should note, this is the 4th beavertail that gun had. It originally had a Pringles chip. That flexed (and even bent) under thumb pressure. It had a Brown grafted on it. Then it had a NHC stuck on it. This one, built entirely of weld bead, was built up over the course of 2 days, bead by bead, until it had the right feel.
There is discussion on whether or not a beavertail is needed is one uses a "no bite" hammer. I would say yes, at least for me. When I draw, as often as not, I'll grab high on the gun, resulting in my hand bunched up on the tang. A beavertail helps ensure I get a proper grip, not just alleviate hammer bite. YMMV
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Goal, fix the reset issue. Looking for a 5 pound trigger, with a reasonable reset. Think tuned SRT SIG.
I have a feeling I'm gonna be making a lever soon...
When you have a CZ next to a P35, you see just how wrong the "CZ is the product improved P35" line is.
CZs are good guns but a nicely set-up Hi-Power is the very definition of elegance. At my last "let my friends shoot my guns" outing, the Hi-Power was the crowd favorite from amongst Glocks, 1911s, Springfield XD(m)s, ARs and AKs. The ladies loved shooting it as much as the men.
Needed a break from trigger stuff, so checkering.
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Vertical lines tomorrow.
SeriousStudent
06-06-14, 16:36
Sweet mother of pearl, you are doing hand checkering too?
Yup. I have ethical issues with machine cut checkering.
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Sweet mother of pearl, you are doing hand checkering too?
I've run out of steam. This is all the P35 stuff today:
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140607_140513_zps4nja1yte.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140607_140513_zps4nja1yte.jpg.html)
Top will be finished up so all the lines are even and straight, while the bottom will be curved to a 0,9" radius.
Should look neat, I think.
(Jason Burton says he likes checkering. I do not. Not one little bit. And the bastard of it all, Jason is damn good at it.)
parishioner
06-07-14, 17:10
I've always preferred metal framed handguns and since my glock has been giving me BTF I've been looking for alternatives like beretta and the hi power. The price has always kept me away a bit on the hi power.
Are there any major differences between the browning mkIII and the FN?
For leather holsters I would recommend
www.rgrizzleleather.com
Top quality stuff. Decent prices. I have been using the RNR model daily for about 6 months.
Are there any major differences between the browning mkIII and the FN?
HiPowers are made by FN and sold in the US under the Browning brand name (with the exception of a few that were sold under the FN brand). The mkIII is simply the latest major design revision. MkIII's are good to go as far as reliability goes right out of the box.
The front strap was an order of magnitude less fun than the back strap.
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Lesson learned..... :)
You could have used on of the FN imports to avoid that problem. Or, you could just cover up that serial number with a Hogue wrap around grip and call it a day. In the end I bet it will be worth it.
Thumb safety work:
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140609_105410_zpsgls3aeyo.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140609_105410_zpsgls3aeyo.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140609_105428_zpsfcb9s6kv.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140609_105428_zpsfcb9s6kv.jpg.html)
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Now I don't have to crowd the safety to use it. Much more comfortable. The safety will be welded up and beveled for even more driver comfort.
With some slight grinding and filing:
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http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140609_110337_zpswvsxrj7i.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140609_110337_zpswvsxrj7i.jpg.html)
More welding is needed...
More welding was needed....so, back to checkering:
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http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140609_125948_zpsctxxazcc.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140609_125948_zpsctxxazcc.jpg.html)
I do not like stippling. No sir. Not at all.
Less than flattering checkering pic - shows where more filing is needed.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140610_113724_zpsesk96urs.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140610_113724_zpsesk96urs.jpg.html)
Cleaning up for a "trigger job."
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Before cleaning up the frame. Did you know P35s are made on new, zero backlash, state of the art CNC machines?
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140222_130919_zpsrq1ki3mt.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140222_130919_zpsrq1ki3mt.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140222_130905_zpslkj6epwx.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140222_130905_zpslkj6epwx.jpg.html)
After some cleaning up.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140610_113658_zps1ikcpkx2.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140610_113658_zps1ikcpkx2.jpg.html)
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I'm at a loss as to why some P35s have such gritty, nasty triggers.
Beaver shot:
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http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140610_110554_zpsv6aabpto.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140610_110554_zpsv6aabpto.jpg.html)
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All for now.
That is some very impressive work. Thanks for taking the time to post the pics
Thanks. Though to be honest, I see a LOT of faults in it. And a lot of things I'd do differently next time. There is always hesitation in putting unfinished work up, as it sometimes looks really rough.
Thanks. Though to be honest, I see a LOT of faults in it. And a lot of things I'd do differently next time. There is always hesitation in putting unfinished work up, as it sometimes looks really rough.
Your work with "faults" looks a lot better than what the gunsmiths in my area are capable of producing.
Touching up stuff.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140611_101121_zpssnde21xa.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140611_101121_zpssnde21xa.jpg.html)
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More work is still needed. Damn that number.
Anyone still watching this?
Don Robison
06-11-14, 10:19
Anyone still watching this?
With a lot of interest.
With a lot of interest.
Definitely
Final cleanup prior final prep. No sense in going further for a little while.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140611_142740_zpsa7o0i3pf.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140611_142740_zpsa7o0i3pf.jpg.html)
KKM barrel is next. Hopefully a discussion of barrel timing/clearance issues that (IMO) are the cause of the barrel lug shearing. We shall see.
Today - barrels. I have in my grubby hands a Barsto, a KKM, and a couple Mk3 bbls to choose from. The KKM is the nicest finished in the lot. It's a thing of beauty.
The thing most concerning me? Why isn't there a definitive barrel fitting guide? I'm looking at resources ranging from filing the foot till it just fits, to "they don't ususally need fitting."
This is a touch worrying. The reason 1911s break barrel feet is timing. The reason some aren't very accurate is...timing. Barrel timing is very important on these JMB tilt barrel things.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140612_103038_zpsgzftqz2u.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140612_103038_zpsgzftqz2u.jpg.html)
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Interesting differences between the barrels. Both have a outer diameter of nearly 0.500 exactly (the BS was 0.5004 and the KKM was 0.5003). The "foot" height was some 0.012 larger for the KKM. Going to sketch up a barrel and do some comparisons next.
Still no discussion of barrel timing. I guess the 1911 is as good a starting point as any.
Front strap is done, pending finial touch up for finishing.
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Wanted to put it partially together to get a feel for how she's coming together:
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Not unhappy. Random bbl fitting pics:
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Trigger discipline!!!
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End result of final fitting of the lower bearing surface. Nice even contact patch on the cam mating surface.
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I killed 3 sharpies on this girl so far.
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Damn nice barrel, the KKM.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140612_121818_zpsnnyrf7oq.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140612_121818_zpsnnyrf7oq.jpg.html)
Cutting in close with Warner's hammer. This will get relieved a bit, for good measure.
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Super nice Bill. Having never fit a barrel on a HP, is it pretty similar to that of a 1911? Any major lessons learned?
On the barrels, was everything oversized (hoot, lugs, etc)?
C4
Super nice Bill. Having never fit a barrel on a HP, is it pretty similar to that of a 1911? Any major lessons learned?
On the barrels, was everything oversized (hoot, lugs, etc)?
C4
I honestly don't know yet. I'm still trying to work out the timing of the barrel. Everything was oversided, or so far at least.
Hood was spot on, upper lugs needed a touch with a file. Lower lug needed about 0.007 removed. I'm going to shoot for 0.012 clearance I think.
SeriousStudent
06-12-14, 21:24
......
Trigger discipline!!!
Rule 3(a) - Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target (unless the trigger is in a box on the Professor's workbench). Joking, joking....
That checkering around the serial number really worked out well! You definitely earned a pipe and a beer after that.
I really like those grips, too. Are they G10? Along with the checkering you did, that pistol ain't going anywhere.
MountainRaven
06-12-14, 21:59
Grips look like Simonich Gunner Grips. I don't know enough about the differences to tell you if those are original Simonichs or VZ Grips Simonichs. Either way, they are G10.
ETA: I posted a pic earlier in the thread of my MkIII "Standard" with VZ's Earth Brown Simonich Gunner grips.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/photo-32_zpsc487e1bd.jpg
SeriousStudent
06-12-14, 22:03
Grips look like Simonich Gunner Grips. I don't know enough about the differences to tell you if those are original Simonichs or VZ Grips Simonichs.
I could not spot the difference either. I have a set of the 1911 grips Rob made for me a long time ago.
Dang, it's hard to believe it's been almost 12 years since he passed.
MountainRaven
06-12-14, 22:10
I could not spot the difference either. I have a set of the 1911 grips Rob made for me a long time ago.
Dang, it's hard to believe it's been almost 12 years since he passed.
Well, crap. I just realized that I never owned an original set of Simonichs but only the Strider- and VZ-made ones. Never realized the Striders weren't the original. And I didn't think he died that long ago... thought it was much more recently, around the time Strider dropped them but before VZ picked them up.
Ya learn something new everyday.
(My first pistol - a Kimber Desert Warrior that I bought seven years ago - wore a set of the Strider Simonich Gunner grips. Came with Rob's card, as I recall. But I included the card with the pistol when I sold it, because of his location here in Montana.)
Thumb saftey work while I stew over timing.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_102214_zpshfrvunqf.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_102214_zpshfrvunqf.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_102327_zps612pdtvy.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_102327_zps612pdtvy.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_102554_zpsogvj34an.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_102554_zpsogvj34an.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_102600_zpsuypsg0hr.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_102600_zpsuypsg0hr.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_102611_zpsb7a1vcjg.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_102611_zpsb7a1vcjg.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_103155_zpsvgk7fzwi.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_103155_zpsvgk7fzwi.jpg.html)
After some dressing and filing. Getting there, needs more work.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_103202_zpsdnb5obu5.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_103202_zpsdnb5obu5.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_103617_zpsxhmxoon6.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_103617_zpsxhmxoon6.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140613_103638_zpsjrjgy0hn.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140613_103638_zpsjrjgy0hn.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140614_111842_zpsxgd1tgik.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140614_111842_zpsxgd1tgik.jpg.html)
So, starting on the mag well.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140614_110753_LLS_zpsxz5tnmni.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140614_110753_LLS_zpsxz5tnmni.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140614_110746_LLS_zpszhhjeexs.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140614_110746_LLS_zpszhhjeexs.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140614_110736_LLS_zps7aankf6x.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140614_110736_LLS_zps7aankf6x.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140614_110718_zpstww3nfaw.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140614_110718_zpstww3nfaw.jpg.html)
Refining the safety. The TS needs to be discrete on a P35. From a looks perspective, large beavertails and safeties look out of place in my opinion. I like this one, though when I do this again, I'll start with the "old" TS version, and add a paddle at a slightly different angle. Also considering re-axeling a C&S safety. We'll see.
Still unsure of the best way to address the timing concerns. Welding on the barrel may be in its future. I must say, I'm not convinced the cam surface is at the proper angle.
That's all for now. I have to do some real work...
Grand58742
06-14-14, 13:16
Anyone still watching this?
Watching? No.
Drooling? Yeah.
It's not often you can see all the steps that are taken in creating a custom firearm. It's educational and enjoyable.
SeriousStudent
06-14-14, 14:01
I'm really liking the size and contour on that safety. You thinking about checkering it, or leaving it smooth?
I'm really liking the size and contour on that safety. You thinking about checkering it, or leaving it smooth?
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140615_114654_zpshry1xs8p.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140615_114654_zpshry1xs8p.jpg.html)
Serrations, sir.
SeriousStudent
06-16-14, 21:03
Very neat. :)
I haven't posted to the thread because I've got nothing to add, but I check on a regular basis to check on the progress. It's fascinating and I'm really curious to see how it all turns out. It's currently the best thing on Reality TV! :D
I haven't posted to the thread because I've got nothing to add, but I check on a regular basis to check on the progress. It's fascinating and I'm really curious to see how it all turns out. It's currently the best thing on Reality TV! :D
Most fascinating to watch!
I love BHP's -- I just wish someone would make one with a MRDS cut slide and a 1913 rail on the frame...
I have owned a Parkerized Mk II BHP for nearly thirty years and have shot many thousands of rounds through it. It's my favorite piece. Wish my corrections agency would let me carry it, even if I do like the Glock 22.
Magic_Salad0892
06-23-14, 08:44
Bumping this thread due to extreme interest.
Trigger stuff today:
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122512_zpspzbsds83.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122512_zpspzbsds83.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122534_zpsrae1osqz.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122534_zpsrae1osqz.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122544_zps3oew98tl.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122544_zps3oew98tl.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122626_zpsxkxgnjjz.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122626_zpsxkxgnjjz.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122652_zpsbib3bs8x.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122652_zpsbib3bs8x.jpg.html)
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y491/feral45/Gunsmithing/20140628_122706_zpsuixdzrbx.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/feral45/media/Gunsmithing/20140628_122706_zpsuixdzrbx.jpg.html)
The rougher looking one is a C&S trigger. If I had it to do over, I'd not have bought anything from them for this gun. YMMV.
The shinny glob on the stock trigger is the beginning of a fitting pad. Welding is being done on the trigger, trigger lever, sear lever, and sear.
Wow. That C&S trigger doesn't look very impressive for $52.50 they charge. At least is don't have the holes for the magazine disconnect. Are you going weld up the magazine disconnect holes on your trigger?
Love the P35. I think it's too overlooked in favor of newer designs. It's trim, conceals well...
Those are sweet!
The "function meets form" look, feel and design of the BHP has been my favorite since the first time I held one.
Now I've got a few.
26948
Best,
Mike
Had one of the alloy Belgians but sold it in a moment of weakness....:(
How's the P35 project coming along? Update please!
Tag due to extreme interest.
azeriosu85
07-21-14, 13:05
Bump, loving it.
Anyone know if Raven makes a Phantom for a HP? Any pics?
MountainRaven
07-21-14, 13:18
Bump, loving it.
Anyone know if Raven makes a Phantom for a HP? Any pics?
They do. But it's a custom option, not a quick ship.
Aim Surplus has FN Hi-Powers in stock now for $410.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=1627&name=FN%20Belgium%20Hi%20Power%209mm%20Pistols
Long time lurker. Visited the handgun section today looking for answers to a problem I'm having with another pistol and saw this thread. I have an old Browning HP I know very little about. Bought it several years ago with the intentions of having it worked over but have never got around to it.
27535
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s444/lockedfj80/hi%20power/20140726_145917_zpsjyczg3l_edit_1406404898457_zpsfw8nenrq.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/lockedfj80/media/hi%20power/20140726_145917_zpsjyczg3l_edit_1406404898457_zpsfw8nenrq.jpg.html)
A couple of the Aim Surplus Mk3s.
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