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I saw a very interesting thing today in Penn Station NY. The National Guard troops guarding the station all had brand new Glock 17's. Usually they carried Berettas as in Big Army. I asked one of them about it and he said the whole guard was switching over. Anyone know anything about this?
John_Wayne777
06-02-08, 13:47
The national guard switching to Glocks?
Ya. That would be a wee bit o' news.....
Can the NG do that? Can they buy whatever handgun they want?
Is the station a Port Authority place?
Just a WAG, but maybe the firearms are provided by whichever agency "owns"" the station..? Again, just a guess.
I just saw a pic of a guy in ACU that was carrying a Glock as well :confused:
There are multiple Army units which issue Glocks.
The Nat Guard thing, on the other hand, is suspicious.
NY State Police dumped their 17s for 45 Gap. I suspect now we know what happened to the 17s.
30 cal slut
06-03-08, 08:36
Peter,
I saw the same thing recently with the NG guys at GCT. Didn't get a chance to ask them why they switched over from 92F's.
NY State Police dumped their 17s for 45 Gap. I suspect now we know what happened to the 17s.
Please share the source of what you just posted.
There are multiple Army units which issue Glocks.
The Nat Guard thing, on the other hand, is suspicious.
When you say suspicious what do you mean?
Please share the source of what you just posted.
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sjc3081 - I don't think Lumpy was asking for the source of the NYSP switching to the 45GAP, I think he was asking where you came up with the statement that their old G17s went to the National Guard.
sjc3081 - I don't think Lumpy was asking for the source of the NYSP switching to the 45GAP, I think he was asking where you came up with the statement that their old G17s went to the National Guard.
NY State Police dumped their 17s for 45 Gap. I suspect now we know what happened to the 17s. It's only a guess.
Peter,
I saw the same thing recently with the NG guys at GCT. Didn't get a chance to ask them why they switched over from 92F's.
Im glad someone else saw this too. GCT being Grand Central Terminal on 42nd St. This is relavent news i had to post ASAP.
NY state has an outfit called the New York Guard which supplements and reinforces the NY National Guard. Maybe the governor can buy'em what he likes, or maybe Glock gave freebies. Texas has a Texas State Guard that is an all volunteer and mostly unpaid bunch who are issued National Guard hand-me-downs and cast-offs from Ft. Hood. They have shotguns available in case of WW3.
Williejc
NY state has an outfit called the New York Guard which supplements and reinforces the NY National Guard. Maybe the governor can buy'em what he likes, or maybe Glock gave freebies. Texas has a Texas State Guard that is an all volunteer and mostly unpaid bunch who are issued National Guard hand-me-downs and cast-offs from Ft. Hood. They have shotguns available in case of WW3.
Williejc
Nope. They were NY National Guard. I asked.
The G17's in use by State Active Duty (SAD) troops at all the NY transportation and security sights are former NYSP pistols. With the current conflict, the M9 pistol is in short supply and there aren't enough weapons to equip all the NG units that would like to have them. When the NYSP switched to the G37, the pistols became available to other state agencies\missions. Prior to the G17's becomming available, SAD troops had to carry M-16\M-4 rifles, and the state wanted a lower profile for the Soldiers working SAD.
As to the NY Guard, they are prohibited form carrying national guard weapons. When they shoot in the NY state mlitary matches they provide their own 92F or P228 pistols, and are not allowen to fire in the rifle matches. In case anyone wonders how I know this, I'm an MP in the NYARNG and am on the NY National Guard rifle and pistol team. We support a lot of the training and qualification that goes on for the SAD mission.
The G17's in use by State Active Duty (SAD) troops at all the NY transportation and security sights are former NYSP pistols. With the current conflict, the M9 pistol is in short supply and there aren't enough weapons to equip all the NG units that would like to have them. When the NYSP switched to the G37, the pistols became available to other state agencies\missions. Prior to the G17's becomming available, SAD troops had to carry M-16\M-4 rifles, and the state wanted a lower profile for the Soldiers working SAD.
As to the NY Guard, they are prohibited form carrying national guard weapons. When they shoot in the NY state mlitary matches they provide their own 92F or P228 pistols, and are not allowen to fire in the rifle matches. In case anyone wonders how I know this, I'm an MP in the NYARNG and am on the NY National Guard rifle and pistol team. We support a lot of the training and qualification that goes on for the SAD mission.
Good for them, who would rather have an M9 anyway???
30 cal slut
06-04-08, 12:49
Prior to the G17's becomming available, SAD troops had to carry M-16\M-4 rifles, and the state wanted a lower profile for the Soldiers working SAD.
...which is hysterical, considering that you regularly see NYPD pairs running around midtown and downtown (Wall St./NYSE) with M4-s.
The G17's in use by State Active Duty (SAD) troops at all the NY transportation and security sights are former NYSP pistols. With the current conflict, the M9 pistol is in short supply and there aren't enough weapons to equip all the NG units that would like to have them. When the NYSP switched to the G37, the pistols became available to other state agencies\missions. Prior to the G17's becomming available, SAD troops had to carry M-16\M-4 rifles, and the state wanted a lower profile for the Soldiers working SAD.
As to the NY Guard, they are prohibited form carrying national guard weapons. When they shoot in the NY state mlitary matches they provide their own 92F or P228 pistols, and are not allowen to fire in the rifle matches. In case anyone wonders how I know this, I'm an MP in the NYARNG and am on the NY National Guard rifle and pistol team. We support a lot of the training and qualification that goes on for the SAD mission.
Thank you. I guess my sighting is no longer "suspicious".
30 cal slut
06-04-08, 13:27
Thank you. I guess my sighting is no longer "suspicious".
i'm always suspicious of lawyers. ;)
who would rather have an M9 anyway???
//'raises hand// :D M9 fits my hand better... has the correct grip angle for handguns...
KintlaLake
06-04-08, 13:41
The G17's in use by State Active Duty (SAD) troops at all the NY transportation and security sights are former NYSP pistols. With the current conflict, the M9 pistol is in short supply and there aren't enough weapons to equip all the NG units that would like to have them. When the NYSP switched to the G37, the pistols became available to other state agencies\missions.
That's an interesting twist on "cascading modernization."
i'm always suspicious of lawyers. ;)
Then be suspicious of the 2nd amendment since a group of them (35 of the 55 delegates) drafted it. Oh-29 of them served in the Continental Army. Another group has continued to protect it. I know your comment was light hearted but i needed to put that out there.
Alpha Sierra
06-04-08, 17:12
Prior to the G17's becomming available, SAD troops had to carry M-16\M-4 rifles, and the state wanted a lower profile for the Soldiers working SAD.
That's right. Can't disturb the sheeple.
The NY Guard, they are prohibited form carrying national guard weapons. When they shoot in the NY state mlitary matches they provide their own 92F or P228 pistols, and are not allowen to fire in the rifle matches.
Nice to see how Big Army (and that's what the NG is these days) shits on the real minutemen.
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NY state can arm the state guard if necessary, there just isn't a reason unless all national guard assets get deployed.
That's right. Can't disturb the sheeple.
Nice to see how Big Army (and that's what the NG is these days) shits on the real minutemen.
NY state can arm the state guard if necessary,
If the State Guard is not allowed to compete in Rifle matches with N.Y. N.G. Service rifles, then why would they be armed in times of natual disaster, Governor's order's , etc.? Do they receive sufficient weapons training? Sounds like a good concept, that was ruined by political correctness and politics gone awry.:confused:
In this case it's a question of law and regulation. The DOD through the active Army provides all the equipment used by the national guard. The national guard Soldiers are state employees unless activated under title 10 orders. The state guard Soldiers can't be placed on active federal duty, so they don't get to play with the equipment the feds give us. There are a few state guard units that deal with WMD's and law neforcement, but they get armed through state, not fedral channels. The only time the state guard would be called up for service in anything other than a limited capicity is if the entire Army and AirGuard was mobilized. The last time this happened was WWII.
If the State Guard is not allowed to compete in Rifle matches with N.Y. N.G. Service rifles, then why would they be armed in times of natual disaster, Governor's order's , etc.? Do they receive sufficient weapons training? Sounds like a good concept, that was ruined by political correctness and politics gone awry.:confused:
NY State Police dumped their 17s for 45 Gap. I suspect now we know what happened to the 17s. It's only a guess.
Be aware, this board is not like the others. We do not fill it up with unsubstantiated rumor.
DocMinster
06-05-08, 21:14
If the State Guard is not allowed to compete in Rifle matches with N.Y. N.G. Service rifles, then why would they be armed in times of natual disaster, Governor's order's , etc.? Do they receive sufficient weapons training? Sounds like a good concept, that was ruined by political correctness and politics gone awry.:confused:
After my 10 years Active Duty I joined the NY State Guard and regs state that you are NOT allowed to even carry a pocket knife.
have NO weapons training programs.... just a very good Search and Rescue qualification .
We were activated on 9/11 and were @ ground zero... no need for weapons that is the capacity of the NY state Guard natural disaster situations.
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