View Full Version : Okay, you have a "go-to" weapon......what about "go-to" ammunition?
I have an ammo can with several hundred each of the following (all 5.56 NATO pressure stuff, no .223): Hornady TAP, Mk262, Mk318 SOST, and SST 70gr TSX. I also have a 500rd case of IMI 77gr OTM. All this ammo is ~ $1 per round and I have accumulated it over the last few years.
All of the above is in addition to the M855 I have set back, but that IMHO is a "backup" to this stuff. God forbid should the zombies/natural disaster/otherwise SHTF arise I will grab that ammo can and the IMI case.
Now I just gotta confirm zero using each with the M855 50yd POA/POI IBSZ (*should* be close for practical "working" distances).
SeriousStudent
05-26-14, 21:09
To quote Alex Trebek: "Can you phrase that in the form of a question?"
Are you asking people what they have set back for self defense? Or how much? Or what sort of zero changes will be required for each? Not administering any kind of beatdown, just trying to help you get responses that will be useful to you.
And my "oh poop" carbine ammo is Hornady 5.56 75-grain TAP, plus some Speer Gold Dot .223 barrier-blind stuff.
Failure2Stop
05-26-14, 21:15
My go to is 7.62...
I don't need to argue about ammo.
hahaha.
Just playing.
For 5.56 I keep some 262 and 75gr TAP.
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Go to ammo:
.223/ 5.56 - 55 grain FMJ
9mm - 115 grain FMJ
.45 ACP - 230 grain FMJ
12 Gauge - 00 Buck shot/ 2 3/4" 1 oz. Slugs
I have several hundred rounds of the Black Hills, Hornandy TAP, Federal, Winchester, Remington premium ammunition for all calibers/ firearms that I own, but the basic ammo is what I buy in quantity (cases at a time).
I wouldn't lose any sleep if this type of ammo is all that I had access to when loading up to use one of my guns for defense.
After all, shot placement is the most important factor not the type of loading.
.223 55gr Speer Gold Dots for HD. I stock up on CBC 5.56.
To quote Alex Trebek: "Can you phrase that in the form of a question?"
Are you asking people what they have set back for self defense? This, the "what" of the equation Or how much? Or what sort of zero changes will be required for each? This too actually. Not administering any kind of beatdown, just trying to help you get responses that will be useful to you.
And my "oh poop" carbine ammo is Hornady 5.56 75-grain TAP, plus some Speer Gold Dot .223 barrier-blind stuff.
Hey, no beatdown taken! :D Basically those two points for those interested in sharing. My personal goal is a "basic combat load" (old school here....210rds or 7x30rd mags) of each load.
For 5.56 I keep some 262 and 75gr TAP.
Comforting to see that I'm in good company!
Voodoo_Man
05-26-14, 21:41
My go to is 7.62...
I don't need to argue about ammo.
hahaha.
Just playing.
For 5.56 I keep some 262 and 75gr TAP.
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"Real men shoot 762."
LOL
"Real men shoot 762."
LOL
FWIW, I'm thinking about 500rds of IMI 147gr FMJ.
Voodoo_Man
05-26-14, 21:50
I don't worry about ammo, FMJ Ball ammo has killed plenty of people.
SeriousStudent
05-26-14, 21:52
Hey, no beatdown taken! :D Basically those two points for those interested in sharing. My personal goal is a "basic combat load" (old school here....210rds or 7x30rd mags) of each load.
Oh, in that case....
A 50-60 round starter belt in the gun, another 1100-1200 rounds on my deuce gear and in my ruck, and two PFC's to hump the three spare barrels and six full ammo cans.
How did I do?
SeriousStudent
05-26-14, 21:54
My go to is 7.62...
I don't need to argue about ammo.
hahaha.
Just playing.
For 5.56 I keep some 262 and 75gr TAP.
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And he gets bonus points on top of that for using a KAC carbine and Leupold 1-8x scope. :cool:
Oh, in that case....
A 50-60 round starter belt in the gun, another 1100-1200 rounds on my deuce gear and in my ruck, and two PFC's to hump the three spare barrels and six full ammo cans.
How did I do?
Them two PFC's gonna show? :D
montanadave
05-26-14, 21:56
Oh, in that case....
A 50-60 round starter belt in the gun, another 1100-1200 rounds on my deuce gear and in my ruck, and two PFC's to hump the three spare barrels and six full ammo cans.
How did I do?
You take point. I'll be right behind ya with the chips and beer (and I don't even drink!).
I don't worry about ammo, FMJ Ball ammo has killed plenty of people.
No doubt, no argument.
Hey, it's $$$ to spend, right?
SeriousStudent
05-26-14, 22:03
Them two PFC's gonna show? :D
If they do not, I will drown them in sweat. One million mountain climbers, followed by two million burpees. Ready, begin!
Obviously, I did not believe in charge sheets.
You take point. I'll be right behind ya with the chips and beer (and I don't even drink!).
Worry not, I drink enough for both of us.
I generally keep 75gr Tap also, but I have a couple 1/7's that prefer the 55 grain Speer Gold Dot.
77gr OTM. 262
I don't have a lot, but that's what I have loaded in my H-D magazine. I hate that it's ten rounds and locked in place, but I also have a GLOCK with 9mm +P.
When my AK gets finished, I want to get some 7.62 SST for it.
Colt 6933 w/ a dozen mags of TAP.
HK MP5 w/ a dozen mix load mags of TAP and Hydra Shocks.
I have about 2K of various rounds (TAP, MK262, and SOST). The remaining 20K or so is M855, M193, M856 and similar. I usually have about 40-50 pre-loaded mags on hand at any given time.
Handgun ammo I have about 1K in hollowpoints for the .40 and 9mm. Bonded +P and similar and then a few thousand FMJ.
Shotgun is LE127RS and a few hundred rounds of 00.
Moose-Knuckle
05-27-14, 03:59
9mm = Speer 53617, Ranger RA9124TP, Ranger ZQ4364
5.56 = Federal 62gr Bonded SP XM556SBCT3, TAP, Fusion MSR, Remington "Hog Hammer" (62gr Barnes TSX HP), SSA 64 gr. PPT Bonded, SSA 77 gr. OTM
7.62x39 = Hornady SST, Winchester PDX1 Defender, Tul 8M3
7.62x51 = well shit its 7.62x51
12 Gauge = Federal LE13200, Brenneke SFM slugs
Grand58742
05-27-14, 04:05
Winchester 5.56 RA556B 62 grain soft point as my go to load. I also have a few hundred SOST if I needed them.
9mm 124 grain Golden Saber. But as I use my carry ammo, I'm replacing it with 124 grain HST
.45 ACP is the 230 grain Golden Saber and being replaced by the 230 grain HST
.308 is the Hornady 155 grain AMAX with some 168 grain AMAX for good measure.
.22 my Savage loves the CCI Velocitor for rodent work
My go to is 7.62...
I don't need to argue about ammo.
hahaha.
Just playing.
For 5.56 I keep some 262 and 75gr TAP.
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Geez, that's the 9mm vs. 45 of the AR world....
My HD carbine has 4 mags of the FBI loaded round. I have a few hundred Winchester RA556 for kicks, and some MK318 that I bought before I changed direction in purchasing. Everything else is ball.
10 mags of Black Hills 50 grain TSX (4 of which are on a ready to go chest rig) and 10 mags of ASYM and/or hand loaded 70 grain TSX at any given time. BH is in the black mags and other is in UDE mags, for ease of identification of course. Another 500 rounds of BH and another couple thousand 70 grainers in gun locker on stripper clips in "ready for travel" ammo cans
I've got about 1K rounds of Speer 64gr GD and almost that much of BH 50gr TSX. Other than that it's about 6K rounds of M855 and M193, Mainly for training purposes. I do have a couple hundred rounds of Tap2 and also 70Gr TSX. The 70gr TSX I'm using as hunting ammo for now.
polydeuces
05-27-14, 07:54
I have about 2K of various rounds (TAP, MK262, and SOST). The remaining 20K or so is M855, M193, M856 and similar. I usually have about 40-50 pre-loaded mags on hand at any given time.
Handgun ammo I have about 1K in hollowpoints for the .40 and 9mm. Bonded +P and similar and then a few thousand FMJ.
Shotgun is LE127RS and a few hundred rounds of 00.
Ah, so you're the guy that's been buying all the ammo?
Geez, that's the 9mm vs. 45 of the AR world....
My HD carbine has 4 mags of the FBI loaded round. I have a few hundred Winchester RA556 for kicks, and some MK318 that I bought before I changed direction in purchasing. Everything else is ball.
Not quite.... there is a Huge Difference between those two Rifle Calibers.... while the difference between 9 vs 45 is Neglible.
I have about 2K of various rounds (TAP, MK262, and SOST). The remaining 20K or so is M855, M193, M856 and similar. I usually have about 40-50 pre-loaded mags on hand at any given time.
Handgun ammo I have about 1K in hollowpoints for the .40 and 9mm. Bonded +P and similar and then a few thousand FMJ.
Shotgun is LE127RS and a few hundred rounds of 00.
Holy Shiite Batman! I thought I was doing good!
Failure2Stop
05-27-14, 09:11
Geez, that's the 9mm vs. 45 of the AR world....
While I said this in jest, the reality is that 7.62 doesn't really need to be highly specialized to give acceptable performance through barriers and into tissue, at least not in comparison to 5.56. The performance gap between 9 and 45 is 64 ft/lbs, the difference between 5.56 and 7.62 is over 1200 ft/lbs.
While kinetic energy alone does not tell the tale of effectiveness, it does give an idea of how much work the projectile can do, especially in direct relation to smashing through stuff.
ETA:
Not quite.... there is a Huge Difference between those two Rifle Calibers.... while the difference between 9 vs 45 is Neglible.
Yeah, that.
I have been purchasing Federal ammo loaded with the 62gr. Speer GD.
First I bought about 1000rnds from PSA when it was sold as the I.C.E. over run. Then I bought it as Fusion MSR, also from PSA. It averaged 60 cents a piece allowing me to purchase more.
While only .223 pressure tests show it expand to very velocities. It was also sealed and crimped, with a hard primer.
I generally keep 75gr Tap also, but I have a couple 1/7's that prefer the 55 grain Speer Gold Dot.
Here I was starting to think I was weird for only keeping 75gr TAP prepped in magazines.
I can't divulge my go-to ammo. It penetrates all armor and Superman's chest. It is delivered with neuro-activated-and-guided-micro-GPS (NAAGMGPS) technology that delivers the projectile to the exact point my mind thinks about.
9mm = Speer 53617, Ranger RA9124TP, Ranger ZQ4364
5.56 = Federal 62gr Bonded SP XM556SBCT3, TAP, Fusion MSR, Remington "Hog Hammer" (62gr Barnes TSX HP), SSA 64 gr. PPT Bonded, SSA 77 gr. OTM
7.62x39 = Hornady SST, Winchester PDX1 Defender, Tul 8M3
7.62x51 = well shit its 7.62x51
12 Gauge = Federal LE13200, Brenneke SFM slugs
How do you like the Tula 8M3?
All Hand loads. 77 and 75 gr... with a few thowie of factory M855 to make my final stand with. ;)
The "clips" in my guns are all stuffed with 77s hand loaded with new components... even the brass.
M193. I have faith in it at close range and it's accurate enough in my rifle at long range. Might not have the terminal performance at 300 yards that M262 does but at that distance I don't care if you sit there and bleed for a while.
Moose-Knuckle
05-27-14, 15:20
How do you like the Tula 8M3?
Haven't killed anything with it yet, but all the reviews I watched/read seems to show over and over that it is nasty.
For the price you can't beat it for a defense load in that caliber.
All Hand loads. 77 and 75 gr... with a few thowie of factory M855 to make my final stand with. ;)
The "clips" in my guns are all stuffed with 77s hand loaded with new components... even the brass.
If I had to pick one load mentioned the most in this thread it would be the 77gr'ers, with 75's being a close second.
Grand58742
05-27-14, 20:06
I can't divulge my go-to ammo. It penetrates all armor and Superman's chest. It is delivered with neuro-activated-and-guided-micro-GPS (NAAGMGPS) technology that delivers the projectile to the exact point my mind thinks about.
Nobody is that impressed when you have the Xtreme Rabid Badger Round out there...
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15156141&postcount=22
:D
Hornady 75gr OTM.
Only have two mags of it. If WWIII breaks out, I guess it's M193 and whatever I find laying around.
BufordTJustice
05-27-14, 20:32
Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loaded to 5.56 pressure (XM556FBIT3). I keep Federal 556TNB1 Mk318 62gr OTMRP in some backup mags. TBBC is my primary though.
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Federal 62gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loaded to 5.56 pressure (XM556FBIT3). I keep Federal 556TNB1 Mk318 62gr OTMRP in some backup mags. TBBC is my primary though.
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Can either of those Loads be bought thru non-LE channels?
Can either of those Loads be bought thru non-LE channels?
I bought my Mk318 online.
Grand58742
05-28-14, 12:06
Can either of those Loads be bought thru non-LE channels?
Keep a eye on SGAmmo, they get the XM556FBIT3 from time to time.
BufordTJustice
05-28-14, 13:57
Can either of those Loads be bought thru non-LE channels?
I bought my Mk318 from PSA several years back. I traded for the TBBC.
If you ever see 62gr TBBC, snag it. It's extremely hard to find and sells-out FAST.
The only other round I would bother-with is the new Nosler 64gr Bonded soft point, as loaded by Nosler under the 'Nosler Defense' ammo brand. That is the same bullet loaded by Winchester/Olin for the new FBI Ranger barrier load that serves as a companion to their existing 63gr TBBC load.
I bought my Mk318 from PSA several years back. I traded for the TBBC.
If you ever see 62gr TBBC, snag it. It's extremely hard to find and sells-out FAST.
The only other round I would bother-with is the new Nosler 64gr Bonded soft point, as loaded by Nosler under the 'Nosler Defense' ammo brand. That is the same bullet loaded by Winchester/Olin for the new FBI Ranger barrier load that serves as a companion to their existing 63gr TBBC load.
Gotcha... I remember seeing some Federal LE Tactical round on SGammo.com but it was like $35 per 20rnds lol.... I did buy a Box of 50 BH 50gr TSX 5.56 but it too was a Ridiculous Price and it seemed to Dry up.
Would definitely prefer a 5.56 Load that's got Crimped Primers and Bullet, loaded stout, with Flash Retardant Powder, with either a Good Bonded Bullet or Solid Copper Hollow Point.
It blows my mind how expensive the Top 5.56 LE Loadings are, yet look at .308 LE Loads and they are less money and there's no comparison in the Barrier Penetration and Terminal Ballistics Department, and heck, even External Ballistics as well!
*ABNAK & Grand58742: Thanks!
BufordTJustice
05-28-14, 14:15
Gotcha... I remember seeing some Federal LE Tactical round on SGammo.com but it was like $35 per 20rnds lol.... I did buy a Box of 50 BH 50gr TSX 5.56 but it too was a Ridiculous Price and it seemed to Dry up.
Would definitely prefer a 5.56 Load that's got Crimped Primers and Bullet, loaded stout, with Flash Retardant Powder, with either a Good Bonded Bullet or Solid Copper Hollow Point.
It blows my mind how expensive the Top 5.56 LE Loadings are, yet look at .308 LE Loads and they are less money and there's no comparison in the Barrier Penetration and Terminal Ballistics Department, and heck, even External Ballistics as well!
*ABNAK & Grand58742: Thanks!
Yeah, the TBBC load has all those features with the purple case and primer sealant that federal uses now.
The Nosler Defense stuff was going for about $20 for 20 a few weeks back. That stuff is a STEAL at that price.
BufordTJustice
05-28-14, 16:07
Places that have the Nosler Defense 64gr Bonded in stock.....for now:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/788183/nosler-defense-ammunition-223-remington-64-grain-bonded-solid-base-box-of-20
http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-ammunition-ammo/rifle-ammo/defense/nosler-defense-223-rem-64-gr-bonded-solid-base-ammo-20ct.html
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=NO39674
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11045648
Stock up while you can. It's a great hog round as well. From what I've seen, it performs on-par with the Speer TBBC...which is high praise indeed (as the TBBC is possibly the best .224 barrier projectile yet conceived). The Nosler appears to be slightly more accurate than TBBC as well.
Places that have the Nosler Defense 64gr Bonded in stock.....for now:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/788183/nosler-defense-ammunition-223-remington-64-grain-bonded-solid-base-box-of-20
http://shop.nosler.com/nosler-ammunition-ammo/rifle-ammo/defense/nosler-defense-223-rem-64-gr-bonded-solid-base-ammo-20ct.html
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=NO39674
http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product.asp?productid=11045648
Stock up while you can. It's a great hog round as well.
So I'm guessing those aren't crimped and sealed? And seem to be quite slow, no?
Seriously, thank you for the links though :)
BufordTJustice
05-28-14, 16:22
So I'm guessing those aren't crimped and sealed? And seem to be quite slow, no?
Seriously, thank you for the links though :)
With the TBBC (and the Nosler BSB) you don't need as much velocity to have them penetrate and expand properly. I do not know if they are crimped and sealed. I know they are less than half the price of this same bullet loaded by Olin/Win for the Ranger round.
With the TBBC (and the Nosler BSB) you don't need as much velocity to have them penetrate and expand properly. I do not know if they are crimped and sealed. I know they are less than half the price of this same bullet loaded by Olin/Win for the Ranger round.
Good Points :)
Cause yea, overspending on a Box of .223 Defense Ammo don't quite get me all that Giddy! I had a real hard time paying $75 for a Box of 50rnds of BH 5.56 50gr TSX lol! I can't just load a Mag and call it ok for Defense use. I like to shoot it at various distances, under different ambient conditions, from different positions, on different days, at different times of day, and that all adds up to it becoming very expensive to R&D and choose a Good Defense load when they are over a Dollar a Round... or Closer to Two Dollars a Round.
I expected that when chasing the LR Precision game, but dag gummit I wish these little .223 rounds-that-could, weren't so darn expensive.
BufordTJustice
05-28-14, 16:45
Good Points :)
Cause yea, overspending on a Box of .223 Defense Ammo don't quite get me all that Giddy! I had a real hard time paying $75 for a Box of 50rnds of BH 5.56 50gr TSX lol! I can't just load a Mag and call it ok for Defense use. I like to shoot it at various distances, under different ambient conditions, from different positions, on different days, at different times of day, and that all adds up to it becoming very expensive to R&D and choose a Good Defense load when they are over a Dollar a Round... or Closer to Two Dollars a Round.
I expected that when chasing the LR Precision game, but dag gummit I wish these little .223 rounds-that-could, weren't so darn expensive.
I agree and I do the same. I want to be intimiately familiar with how THAT ROUND performs in MY GUN.
You could always apply case and primer sealant yourself. That's more important to me (personally) than a strong and pronounced crimp.
I agree and I do the same. I want to be intimiately familiar with how THAT ROUND performs in MY GUN.
You could always apply case and primer sealant yourself. That's more important to me (personally) than a strong and pronounced crimp.
Glad we're on the same wavelength :)
While I said this in jest, the reality is that 7.62 doesn't really need to be highly specialized to give acceptable performance through barriers and into tissue, at least not in comparison to 5.56. The performance gap between 9 and 45 is 64 ft/lbs, the difference between 5.56 and 7.62 is over 1200 ft/lbs.
While kinetic energy alone does not tell the tale of effectiveness, it does give an idea of how much work the projectile can do, especially in direct relation to smashing through stuff.
ETA:
Yeah, that.
Oh, I was being fascetious too. But rather than the "antthing you can do, I can do better" argumebt, the AR 10/15 arguments run weight vs magazine capacity and recoil management, ammo selection choices...
Suffice to say, everyone makes their choices based on their preferences, and heated arguments ensue. Its like the old line about not discussing religion or ploitics...
MountainRaven
05-28-14, 20:57
9mm - 147-gr HSTs, 200 rounds
45 Auto - 230-gr HSTs, 200 rounds
5.56mm - Mk318 (minimum 3-30 round magazines - what I can fit on the gun and on my "war belt" that goes next to the gun)
7.62x39 - Whatever I've got at hand, but probably going to go to Hornady SSTs (2 - 30 round magazines, one in the gun, one in the bag - just a truck gun)
7.62x51 - 155-gr TAP, which is probably going to get cycled out in favor of 150-gr Federal Fusion MSR for home and 180-gr Trophy Bonded Tip for away (2 - 20 round magazines. One does not engage in firefights with bears.)
12-gauge - 12-gauge is for middling-sized birds.
20-gauge - 20-gauge is for small birds.
Anything over and above these figures is gravy: They are just minimums.
Gotcha... I remember seeing some Federal LE Tactical round on SGammo.com but it was like $35 per 20rnds lol.... I did buy a Box of 50 BH 50gr TSX 5.56 but it too was a Ridiculous Price and it seemed to Dry up.
Would definitely prefer a 5.56 Load that's got Crimped Primers and Bullet, loaded stout, with Flash Retardant Powder, with either a Good Bonded Bullet or Solid Copper Hollow Point.
It blows my mind how expensive the Top 5.56 LE Loadings are, yet look at .308 LE Loads and they are less money and there's no comparison in the Barrier Penetration and Terminal Ballistics Department, and heck, even External Ballistics as well!
*ABNAK & Grand58742: Thanks!
The Barnes TSX copper bullets are expensive, even for reloaders.
SilverBullet432
05-28-14, 22:54
.300 BLK Ballistik tipp
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