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taliv
05-27-14, 21:02
So... I was 5th place at the snipershide cup this weekend and took a really cool target camera system off the prize table. I had a chance to take it for a quick spin tonight after work and thought I'd give a brief range report and review. A couple caveats: first, as I just said I've only owned it for a day. Second, being a guy, I figured I'd use it a few times before reading the manual so I could be doing a lot wrong.

First thing I did was go set up the camera on my tripod out in a hay field in front of a full size IPSC spin drift auto popper (30" tall, including 6"x6" head). You're looking at the front of the camera. On/off switch and antenna on the top. That little spot on the front is the lens, which you spin to focus.

The camera unit has what I'm assuming is a rather large, heavy battery inside it and you charge it via a port on the opposite side. I've been told to expect 5 hr run time. It took about 3 hours to charge it with the supplied charger.

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/targetcamcam.jpg


Next, after stomping down a lane of waist-high hay, I go set up with my normal kit: suppressed rifle, PLRF-10C range finder, kestrel weather meter, and my pack. You can see the monitor base unit is built into a storm case, which is pretty cool. It has the LCD screen and antennae in the lid. If you lift the foam piece, there is more custom cut foam underneath that holds the camera and a special longer range antenna (the wire you see) and a charger that works for both the camera and monitor unit. As you can see I'm using the rubber duck style antenna. The target is 860 yards away and the camera is maybe 12' or so in front of it. So the more convenient rubber duck antenna works pretty dang well. Note, like a lot of LCD screens, the image appears slightly faded if you aren't directly in front of it, which I generally wasn't in these pics and especially the video. In person, the image looks bright and sharp, with good colors. However, it has kind of a funky aspect ratio which I'll probably understand after reading the manual. As previously stated the head is 6x6" square (see last pic), but in the monitor, it looks wider than it is tall. But you can still see the fresh paint on the head and make out the grass in front of it very well. It definitely seems well suited to seeing impacts from a reasonably safe distance.
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/kit5-14.jpg

In the next picture you can see my view through my scope of the target and the camera in front and left of it. The scope is a USO 5-25x58 TPAL set on 25x magnification with the side focus adjusted as well as I could get it. Still a pretty difficult image looking through a combination of hay and soupy southern air.
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/targetcamscope1.jpg


So, after sorting out my data for a few minutes, I took a shot at the head and got a first round hit on the right side. After the target fell down and came up, I thought, "that was neat, I should get that on video." So I carefully balanced my iphone on a pile of junk in front of the monitor and hit record. Then I went and shot again, missing twice more before I realized the wind shifted slightly. So I made a slight correction and center punched it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNgkXraFevM

Finally, I took one more shot and hit top right again near my 1st impact. In this video, you can see the system blanks out for a second every once in a while. Not sure why, but it could be me as again I haven't read the manual, and being a ham radio guy, I've got a ton of rf stuff going on around my truck etc that could be causing interference.
(second video posted below as there is a 1 video limit per post)
(bonus points for anyone who can tell me what kind of bird that is in the video)

Here's a close up of the monitor. As you can see, it's pretty simple to use. On/off switch, receiver, monitor. Some buttons on the LCD screen that I assume you use if you have multiple cameras, etc. The silver port left of the on/off switch is the charging port. The four slots you see on either side of the LCD accommodate a foam sun shade (part of which you can see tucked in the the left side of bottom of the case).
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/targetcambase.jpg

Finally, I went back downrange to collect my camera and took a pic of the target. 3/5 isn't too bad!
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/targetcamtarget.jpg

I really want to thank targetcam for sponsoring the snipershide cup and donating their time to RO and putting this very cool system on the prize table! Summers around here are so hazy and mirage is so bad where I shoot that it is nearly impossible to make out impacts on my 1000-1100 yard steel with spotting or rifle scopes so gathering long range data is a PITA. I'm pretty sure this system will solve that.

taliv
05-27-14, 21:02
second video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAjicYUcb6Q

SeriousStudent
05-27-14, 21:53
Congrats on your finish! That is a pretty spiffy prize. I can bet that would be a really useful tool when you are doing load development at distance.

markm
05-28-14, 11:39
Oh my God... how we could put that to use.

Shooting 223 to 1000 yards can be a bitch to call hits. On half the days you can hear a ring, but if there's wind, forget it. You assume that no dirt "poof" means you hit.

Pappabear
05-28-14, 12:16
Congrats again on the Snipershide shoot. Very impressive.

That camera system is bad ass. How much $$ may I ask? Gotta be pricy for that awesome kit.

taliv
05-28-14, 12:40
thanks guys

pappa, you know, i've seen some pretty dang pricey camera systems like this. the one at the PNTC match was like $23k per station or something ridiculous like that. So I was shocked to find these are for sale on his website http://www.targetcam.net/ for $835 shipped for the complete system. heck, that's less than any of my spotting scopes cost. When I was at the table I could have taken either of the new $2k steiner scopes or a zeiss spotter but I got to thinking... this camera system will probably save me more money in ammo in the next 12 months than the others cost, and I will use it every trip.

markm
05-28-14, 13:01
DAMN! That's not bad at all.

ALCOAR
05-28-14, 18:37
That thing is killer taliv.....congratulations, and great shooting to win that prize!

Thanks for sharing the detailed writeup, and videos with us, as I want one of these in my LR setup eventually.

Now you just need a badass 25-30x 1080p HD cam to capture trace.

texas48
06-01-14, 18:27
Wothdrawn

taliv
06-02-14, 10:35
played with it yesterday at 1100 yards. still works great on just the rubber duck antenna. i think i'm going to need a lot bigger gun before i have to switch to the directional antenna.

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/6-14b.jpg

after getting a pretty good idea of wind and elevation on the 12x20" plate, I was 3 for 5 on the 4x4" bad guy head but hit the hostage first round. doh!

Pappabear
06-02-14, 11:01
played with it yesterday at 1100 yards. still works great on just the rubber duck antenna. i think i'm going to need a lot bigger gun before i have to switch to the directional antenna.

http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/6-14b.jpg

after getting a pretty good idea of wind and elevation on the 12x20" plate, I was 3 for 5 on the 4x4" bad guy head but hit the hostage first round. doh!

That screen looks fabulous. If you kill the hostage the Bad Guy has no leverage, thats usually my plan :)

taliv
06-02-14, 11:15
the system has already helped me out quite a bit. for instance, yesterday evening, my first round just BARELY clipped the bottom of the big plate. You can see it about 1/3 from the right. I heard it and saw the plate move but no way I could see that through my scope. So without the camera, I wouldn't have known to hold up. I probably would have changed my wind hold on the next shot.

same for the hit on the bad guy. i BARELY grazed the top right corner of his head. the two impacts low left on his head are easily visible in the scope. but i couldn't see the hit on the top right.

markm
06-02-14, 12:21
Yep. For .223 at 1000+ this is priceless. Half of the time we can't see our .308 POIs because of previous hits or how the paint is caked on that spot, etc.

Our current spot is low to the ground all the way out, and we get heat mirage so bad, it's like looking through a river.

Doc. Holiday
06-11-14, 09:18
Wow.....that thing is awesome! That's going on my christmas list for sure!

markm
06-11-14, 09:31
Me too.

taliv
06-14-14, 19:08
so...
this is the view through the scope on a horrible mirage day. vege has grown up in front of my hostage target (below the big white rectangle) so they're not just a hostage but also behind cover now! you could only see the head of the hostage and the head and shoulder of the bad guy.
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/hostagecover600.jpg

but from the target cam, which was slightly to the side, you get a nice full view of both targets

here are 3 shots fast on the shoulder, which as you can see from the view through the scope is a safer, higher percentage shot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqfI0Uz_LLE

i'm totally digging this camera! I also found out it was great for new shooters because everybody can gather around the targetcam and spectate

ALCOAR
06-14-14, 20:43
When you gonna do a night shoot with it ? bet it certainly has potential advantages in that area.

Great shooting, and that's an awesome overall tool for LR shooters.

taliv
06-15-14, 20:45
she's shooting the same target as above! great shooting. cleaned a plate rack too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohULhWRU4A

Iraq Ninja
06-15-14, 23:57
We use the targetvision.com system. Displays on anyone's ipad or iphone. Even marks your hits. Very compact system.

taliv
06-16-14, 00:18
Interesting. Heard of it but haven't gotten to play with one of those yet. What kind of range and battery life do you get with it? Can you record from your iPhone/Pad?

Doc. Holiday
06-16-14, 08:31
so...
this is the view through the scope on a horrible mirage day. vege has grown up in front of my hostage target (below the big white rectangle) so they're not just a hostage but also behind cover now! you could only see the head of the hostage and the head and shoulder of the bad guy.
http://precisionmultigun.com/pics/hostagecover600.jpg

but from the target cam, which was slightly to the side, you get a nice full view of both targets

here are 3 shots fast on the shoulder, which as you can see from the view through the scope is a safer, higher percentage shot...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqfI0Uz_LLE

i'm totally digging this camera! I also found out it was great for new shooters because everybody can gather around the targetcam and spectate

Ha, dude I totally thought you accidentally shot your camera on your 3rd shot. haha Sweet system man!

mark5pt56
06-16-14, 14:30
This is pretty cool, wish Icould afford one of these, sure does make it easier on yourself if no spotter-or even if you do

markm
06-16-14, 14:45
This is pretty cool, wish Icould afford one of these

Aren't you the guy who can go to a gun show with an empty stripper clip and trade your way up to a LE6920? :sarcastic:

A targetcam is about the same value! :)

taliv
06-16-14, 14:52
Ha, dude I totally thought you accidentally shot your camera on your 3rd shot. haha Sweet system man!

heh it does look like that now that you mention it! i'd have to be pretty far off, but as many holes as my chronographs have in them, i'm sure it's just a matter of time before i plug that camera!
I'm guessing about half the camera housing is lead acid battery, which don't react particularly well to bullets. That will probably make a mess.

Iraq Ninja
06-16-14, 15:56
First of all, I don't want to discredit this other product, I was just sharing our experience. Battery life is at least all day at the range it seems. Range, over 1000 m, and I think 3000 in perfect situation with good line of site. I will find out exactly. You can record it too. It marks each shot if you want, and can take a grouping and measure it for you. Also, everyone at the range can log onto its network and see the same thing, or change between cameras. Small, portable package.

taliv
06-16-14, 16:27
First of all, I don't want to discredit this other product, I was just sharing our experience.

oh absolutely. same here. just a kid with a new toy. curious how some of the others work and how they compared. i'm sure they all have their pros and cons.

Clem
06-17-14, 12:56
How would a GoPro compare to one of these camera systems?

markm
06-17-14, 13:17
How would a GoPro compare to one of these camera systems?

Go pro needs to talk to a smartfone right? I think you'd have to turn the camera on and make a really long video. I'm not sure that the Go pro acts as a monitor OR that it would have the range to send video signal back to the phone.

Clem
06-17-14, 13:19
Go pro needs to talk to a smartfone right? I think you'd have to turn the camera on and make a really long video. I'm not sure that the Go pro acts as a monitor OR that it would have the range to send video signal back to the phone.

I think the newer ones stream video to a smart phone.

markm
06-17-14, 14:09
Yeah, but I'm doubtful about them being able to feed from 800+ yards. I don't know... ??

Clem
06-17-14, 14:21
Yeah, but I'm doubtful about them being able to feed from 800+ yards. I don't know... ??

Did a little more research and looks like range can vary between 300-600 feet, but in practice it's no where near that.
Thanks for the replies markm. Looks like case closed on using gopro as a spotting scope.

markm
06-17-14, 15:10
Yep. Distance has always been the challenge with this type of approach. I remember reading about some crazy set up some dude on Accurateshooter rigged up.

opsoff1
06-25-14, 08:36
This entire capability facinates me - the efficiency of having target feedback while I am in position on the line is invaluable. More often than not, I need to take time off during the week to do LR testing / practice. If I can't get a "target puller" (99% of the time), the excercise usually becomes a routine of 5 - 10 shots, then get out of position / shooting coat / sling etc, drive to the pits, pull, mark, log, paste, repeat...gets old.

I am in the process of building a system that is nearly a duplicate of this one. Initially it will run off 120v as I have the luxury of having power in the pits and at the firing line. Eventually, it will be tweaked it to run off Li-Ion batteries so it can be used in a field/tactical environment.

Will report more when it is up / running.

Taliv, thanks for the excellent write up - provided a lot of great insight & motivation.

TahoeRider
07-22-14, 23:55
Hello, this is Keith Averill - owner and inventor of TargetCam - www.TargetCam.net I'm posting here so that I can answer any questions that you have about our product. Feel free to post questions or call or email me directly with the contact info on our web site.

Thanks,
Keith