View Full Version : Father gets probation for making son walk home from school (one mile)
Eurodriver
05-31-14, 09:17
http://news.yahoo.com/father-gets-probation-making-son-walk-home-school-180209763.html
The judge, Kathleen Watanabe, ruled that the punishment was “old-fashioned” and inappropriate. She said that it is dangerous for children to walk alongside the road due to potential pedophiles. It was a form of punishment no longer supported by the community.
WOW. I can only assume the age wasn't reased because the kid was ten. Had he been five that would have been a lead point.
Holy shit. If that judge did THAT to that father, my mother would have been sentenced to death for some of the punishments I received.
Apparently, pedophiles are a new phenomenon.
Or, have they always existed in more or less the same percentage as now, but parents were so cruel in the past they made their children walk a gauntlet of them?
Of course not.
As a kid, I walked to school (I went to a lot of different schools) rain or shine and for a lot farther than 1 piddly mile...and so did the majority of kids.
My opinion: There's no more or less evil than ever existed, but there's significant more awareness of it.
SilverBullet432
05-31-14, 10:41
Wow. Much disbelief. Such nonsense.
"Back in my day, we walked to school!"
These days...... can't do that, nope. Child endangerment...
When I walked home from school, I knew my way home! which streets to avoid and which streets had the barking dogs...
this country is FUBAR. All hope is lost.
I used to walk home 3 or 4 miles after football practice everyday during football season.
SeriousStudent
05-31-14, 12:47
I'd be quite curious as to the child's age, and if the father followed him home in a car or on foot.
8,075 comments for far. No I didn't read them all, but the ones I did see were all is support of the father. There is still hope.
Maybe if the "justice system" didn't have registered sex offender living in nearly every community this wouldn't be a problem.
If there isn't more to this I hope he appeals and wins.
If there isn't more to this I hope he appeals and wins.
When Robert De Mond asked his son last year why he was placed in timeout and didn’t get a straight answer, he pulled over, had the 8-year-old hop out of the car, then told him to walk the rest of the way home.
When the incident happened last October, De Mond told the news station, he drove back to the Kuhio Highway, which has ample room on the shoulder but no official sidewalk, he couldn’t find his son: Someone had spotted the boy crying, picked him up and called the police. The child was brought back to the school, according to the Honolulu Star Advertiser.
“I wasn’t able to see my son. I was put under arrest,” he told KHON when he learned of his son’s location, calling the police himself in a panic.
The Garden Island reported that De Mond received charges of second-degree endangering the welfare of a minor.
“All I was trying to do is have my son think about his actions and there was no intention at all that I wanted to harm my son. I just wanted him to walk home and think about what he did by the time he got home,” the father told KHON.
on Kauai of all things ? safe place really frigin pathetic but Hawaii is a ultra stupid liberal biased state and getting worse in some ways of those in control and the ones who live there many are not ultra liberal but more old fashioned hunting and fishing discipline kids type
bad mix sadly !!
Dinosaurs could have eaten him though. That's where Jurassic Park is and as we all know, the Park was overrun and abandoned by people. We thought the dinosaurs would die off from the lack of an essential nutrient that only we could provide, but they found it in the local flora and thus the local fauna as well. They can also breed because they're based on frogs that can change sex.
So yeah. Watch out for dinosaurs on Kauai. The judge was totally justified, but she spelt "dinosaurs" as "pedophiles", which is a perplexing typo, but it is what it is.
Is there anyone on this forum that DIDN'T walk at least a mile to and from school as a child? I had no idea my parents were child endangering criminals!
Maybe mine weren't criminals since I was provided with a bicycle for my 6 mile trek to school every morning. There were a few times over the years that I got a flat and had to walk my bike though. I wonder what words of wisdom the judge would have to say about that.
I'm so glad we have overseers like Judge Watanabe to explain right and wrong to us and protect our children from the callous and thoughtless harm would would do to them without her help.
Our society is just circling the bowl... Example after example.
Is there anyone on this forum that DIDN'T walk at least a mile to and from school as a child? I had no idea my parents were child endangering criminals!
Maybe mine weren't criminals since I was provided with a bicycle for my 6 mile trek to school every morning. There were a few times over the years that I got a flat and had to walk my bike though. I wonder what words of wisdom the judge would have to say about that.
I'm so glad we have overseers like Judge Watanabe to explain right and wrong to us and protect our children from the callous and thoughtless harm would would do to them without her help.
Our society is just circling the bowl... Example after example.
Hell it was almost a mile from the bus stop to my house when I was that age. To my actual school was 4 miles and I remember walking that a few times when I discovered I could walk home faster (with shortcuts) than I could with the bus dropping me off.
All of these back in mah day sentiments may be true, but do they really fit in this context?
Kids don't walk... anywhere, really, anymore. People can be prosecuted for neglect for letting their 8 and 6 year olds play by themselves in parks across the street from their own homes. Chimo-hysteria has every kid on short leashes. It's all wrong - absolutely. There might be more pedophiles today than there were back in mah day, but the number of child abductions hasn't really changed over the years. This country is still overwhelmingly safe for children, with around 50 unrecovered abductions (classic stranger chimo kidnappings we're talking about here) in this country every year. One child per state, annually. But what is public perception? Most people would likely give you a blank stare and say, "well, I don't know. But I'm sure it's a lot!"
But regardless of what reality is, perception has been something else for quite some time. Children have been raised to be terrified of being on their own, and do not walk anywhere without an adult (or walk anywhere, with or without, for that matter), let alone on a road with passing cars, each one almost certainly containing a ravenous child raping murderer.
It's perfectly conceivable that in this specific situation, the father made a poor choice in a moment of anger, and endangered the child by putting him in a situation he was not equipped to handle. The fact that the kid apparently sat down and started crying, instead of continuing home (if he even knew where home was, likely having never had to do any sort of navigation before), and then went with a stranger, strikes me as strong evidence.
Just my alternative take.
Voodoo_Man
06-01-14, 16:02
I'd be quite curious as to the child's age, and if the father followed him home in a car or on foot.
Does it really matter though? Since when do parents get punished for disciplining their kids?
I'd be moving out of that jurisdiction as fast as possible.
Does it really matter though? Since when do parents get punished for disciplining their kids?
I'd be moving out of that jurisdiction as fast as possible.
When your punishment places you child in unnecessary danger.
Don't know squat about Hawaii, but they mentioned a highway so unless every road is called a highway I'll assume that this was a pretty big road. Round my neck,of the woods highway is a term for pretty busy roads generally not designed for pedestrian traffic. If a parent kicked their 8 YO out on one of our highways it would be a retardo move.
Given that I walked to and from school pretty much from 1st grade on. However it was never because my mom or dad abandoned me on the side of the road. I always had walk throughs to understand where the danger zones were, what to avoid and what my back up plans were should I be forced off my primary route. IMO that's how responsible parents prepare their kids, not by throwing them to the "wolves" and hoping for the best.
It sounds like the dad did something idiotic and the judge found a way to make her point re the cho-mo's. Is it right....probably not. Would probably been better off having the bailiff kick the dads ass for being an idiot and calling it quits. But that can't happen today.
I am from Maui not Kauai but the roads on any island except Oahu are nothing like mainland HWYs even Maui being way busier than Kauai the main road to say the airport can get busy but huge wide shoulders and not that fast moving and being from the islands I would see folks walking all the time on all roads not a big deal even to see kids walking riding bikes etc.. back from Lahaina way to Kaanapali and that is considered a busy road with small shoulders ?
sad thing is you can't move out of county or jurisdiction on the islands unless you change islands :) which is a major huge thing since each island is so different in so many ways got to wonder who stopped ? most likely some haole family that moved there from california to screw up the islands even worse sadly the folks that screwed the islands were are mostly mainlanders :)
When your punishment places you child in unnecessary danger.
Don't know squat about Hawaii, but they mentioned a highway so unless every road is called a highway I'll assume that this was a pretty big road. Round my neck,of the woods highway is a term for pretty busy roads generally not designed for pedestrian traffic. If a parent kicked their 8 YO out on one of our highways it would be a retardo move.
That is about where I am with this. If this was a highway with a speed limit of at least 55 mph and no sidewalk, then dad might have some explaining to do. I walked about a mile to school in 3rd and 4th grade, but it was mostly residential streets and a brief portion on a larger road with sidewalks that were supervised by a crossing guard.
Having said that, none of the news reports quote the judge as being concerned about traffic hazards as she handed down her sentence. It's hard for me to make a call on this one without having first hand knowledge of this highway.
thing is its a tiny town and place about 2000 population ? NE shore in some ways its kinda like where I used to be in Kahana area main road and lower road
over there same thing main road and other road where the school is which is not on but always off the main roads
looked up speed limit of Kuhio near Kilauea sounds like it was reduced from 40 to 30 :) mostly likely away from town it could get up to 55 not sure but most likely 50
kinda like Maui any time any road goes next to the towns things get slowed way down and the school is just edge of town
again population 2000 on a side road from school ? frigin libtards getting sick of them
Voodoo_Man
06-02-14, 05:42
When your punishment places you child in unnecessary danger.
Don't know squat about Hawaii, but they mentioned a highway so unless every road is called a highway I'll assume that this was a pretty big road. Round my neck,of the woods highway is a term for pretty busy roads generally not designed for pedestrian traffic. If a parent kicked their 8 YO out on one of our highways it would be a retardo move.
Given that I walked to and from school pretty much from 1st grade on. However it was never because my mom or dad abandoned me on the side of the road. I always had walk throughs to understand where the danger zones were, what to avoid and what my back up plans were should I be forced off my primary route. IMO that's how responsible parents prepare their kids, not by throwing them to the "wolves" and hoping for the best.
It sounds like the dad did something idiotic and the judge found a way to make her point re the cho-mo's. Is it right....probably not. Would probably been better off having the bailiff kick the dads ass for being an idiot and calling it quits. But that can't happen today.
Locally a "highway" is referred anywhere that a pedestrian can walk legally and an "expressway" is what everyone would consider a "highway" like an Interstate route or something of that sort.
As all media articles go, there is probably something left out and something put in, did this guy tell his kid to walk home and then went home waiting for him? Maybe, and even if he did, the judge cites "pedophiles" as the biggest safety concern, not something that I would have cited if it was a road with a high speed limit that is frequently traveled.
Like I said, the courts and the gov, need to stay out of parents personal lives trying to discipline their kids. I walked home from school for the majority of my elementary grades, that was a few miles, every day, weather disregarded. Not trying to do give ya'll a 'in my day" speech, I am not old by any standard, just pointing out this is not some ground breaking thing this dad did.
Locally a "highway" is referred anywhere that a pedestrian can walk legally and an "expressway" is what everyone would consider a "highway" like an Interstate route or something of that sort.
As all media articles go, there is probably something left out and something put in, did this guy tell his kid to walk home and then went home waiting for him? Maybe, and even if he did, the judge cites "pedophiles" as the biggest safety concern, not something that I would have cited if it was a road with a high speed limit that is frequently traveled.
Like I said, the courts and the gov, need to stay out of parents personal lives trying to discipline their kids. I walked home from school for the majority of my elementary grades, that was a few miles, every day, weather disregarded. Not trying to do give ya'll a 'in my day" speech, I am not old by any standard, just pointing out this is not some ground breaking thing this dad did.
I walked about a mile or so to school every day from the age of 8. But that's how it was when I was a kid. I wasn't just dropped off on the side of the road by an angry father and told to do it without having ever done it before. I don't actually remember how the transition went, but I suspect my mother walked the route with me many times before I ever did it alone.
I also remember what must have been the first time I did it- I got to an intersection that, for some reason, did not look familiar to me, and felt pretty panicky. I didn't know whether to go right or go straight. After some debate, I had to make a decision, and fortunately made the right decision. But I remember the moment of terror as I wondered if I would ever see home again. 8 year olds (or was I 7 at that point?) aren't known for their cool calm under stress.
Point being: This kid's situation is not what you and I had, walking to school as children. Apples : Oranges.
Voodoo_Man
06-02-14, 17:56
I walked about a mile or so to school every day from the age of 8. But that's how it was when I was a kid. I wasn't just dropped off on the side of the road by an angry father and told to do it without having ever done it before. I don't actually remember how the transition went, but I suspect my mother walked the route with me many times before I ever did it alone.
I also remember what must have been the first time I did it- I got to an intersection that, for some reason, did not look familiar to me, and felt pretty panicky. I didn't know whether to go right or go straight. After some debate, I had to make a decision, and fortunately made the right decision. But I remember the moment of terror as I wondered if I would ever see home again. 8 year olds (or was I 7 at that point?) aren't known for their cool calm under stress.
Point being: This kid's situation is not what you and I had, walking to school as children. Apples : Oranges.
Yeah maybe, im still for less gov meddling in the affairs of parents.
Yeah maybe, im still for less gov meddling in the affairs of parents.
We do not disagree there.
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