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SIMPLYDYNAMIC
06-05-08, 13:40
From the MBC course in Florida (I couldnt make this one) but thought I would share some good reviews from some of the shooters:

FROM AEM:
This past weekend, May 31-June 1, I took the MagPul Dynamics LLC introductory carbine class taught by MDL Training Director Chris Costa. This was the fourth carbine class I have taken, including an introductory class by Bill Jeans and a more advanced class taught by Pat Rogers. Those classes were great, but I was really surprised at my experience in the MDL class, as I will explain.

The MDL class was held at the FOP range in St. Augustine, FL. We had two full days plus a night shoot. The range was great, although it could use some shade! A very resourceful student, Robert, went out at lunch on the first day and came back with a huge sun tent which was a lifesaver. The entire class was able to squeeze in during breaks to load mags and hydrate in the shade.

Chris is a natural instructor–very intense but flexible and friendly. He gets right to the point and demos the techniques with a smoothness and speed that is amazing. Chris made it clear that he would take us out of our comfort zone as the class progressed and that we would eventually push past our abilities. He explained that we learn more by trying new things and perhaps failing than by simply repeating the same old techniques we have already mastered. Chris always encouraged us and never made us feel bad when we screwed up, which made for a great learning atmosphere.

The students in my class were very competent and safety conscious, so Chris was able to move things along quickly. I particularly appreciated the fact that after a quick but effective safety briefing we started right into weapon manipulation and shooting. We had confirmed zeros and were doing drills before lunch. Considering that this was a two day class, I was glad we didn’t spend half the first day in lectures. We did a lot of shooting up close and learned to shoot quickly at close range. Chris uses a realistically large center of mass on the targets, so the students focus on getting quick hits in the COM, rather than trying to get tiny groups when the target is only a few yards away. By the second day, Chris felt comfortable enough with the class that we started movement drills, which are always a blast.

Chris teaches some techniques and tactics that are a little different from the Gunsite doctrine most instructors teach. His instruction is based on a blend of time tested techniques as well as the most recent experiences of our troops and domestic anti-terror LEO agencies. It’s important to have an open mind and be willing to try new techniques. I had spent months figuring out the placement of my vertical foregrip and weaponlight and was absolutely sure that my grip was the best technique for me. As soon as Chris demo’ed his preferred grip with the reaction (support) hand, I knew I would have to switch my light from the right side to the left and that I would be shooting the next two days with a completely foreign grip. I was dubious but I tried it and it worked out great. I’m not going back to my old grip.

Here is a partial list of things I either learned or tried for the first time which worked out well for me:

“Thumb forward” grip on the handguard with the wrist rotated so the base of the palm is against the vertical foregrip and the thumb is extended along the left handguard, pointed toward the threat. The light is mounted on the left side and the tailcap switch is manipulated with the thumb.

“Combat kneeling,” “high squat” and “medium squat.” This was interesting. Instead of only teaching the stable, supported shooting positions, Chris got us used to shooting out of the kind of spastic, awkward crouches you are most likely to assume when bullets start whizzing overhead. These “positions” may not be as stable as some of the traditonal shooting positions, but you can be shooting back immediately instead of trying to remember which foot to step forward with. We even tried shooting over a barricade while standing on tip-toe!

“Shooting out of the notch,” which is a CQB technique for iron sights that eliminates the offset between line of sight and muzzle, so you don’t have to remember to shoot 2-3 inches high at contact distances.

CQB Shooting with my ACOG occluded by a piece of 100 mph tape. I think I can shoot pretty fast at CQB distance with my ACOG using the Bindon Aiming System, but only with constant practice. With the front lens covered with tape, however, I was instantly able to get fast hits at 2 yards the first time I tried it. This is a valuable tool for ACOG users.

A close guard position with the handgun whereby the muzzle is chest level and pointed toward the threat, rather than the traditional low ready with the muzzle extended but canted down. If necessary, an effective shot can be made from the guard position or while the handgun is being extended out to firing position.

Chris advocates a speed reload technique that has to be seen to believe. He rotates the carbine 90 degrees while simultaneously pushing the mag release. The rotation helps the mag fly free and you are looking right at the mag well when you insert the fresh mag. I didn’t do this one very well, mostly because my “recce rifle” is too damn heavy! I need a lighter carbine and more practice.

This was the most physical firearms class I have taken. No, we didn’t run wind sprints or do pushups, but we spent a lot time in the dirt and changing positions behind barricades. I shot more urban prone in those two days than I have in five years. I have more bruises, lacerations and burns, and got more dirt up my nostrils, than from any other class! I am middle aged and not as flexible as I should be so I was probably feeling it more than others, but even the young guys looked like they were getting a workout. Chris was very careful, though, not to push anyone beyond their physical ability and called frequent breaks to rest and rehydrate. I enjoyed this class more than any class I have taken and highly recommend it.

SIMPLYDYNAMIC
06-05-08, 13:43
Here is the picture thread and comments from Neil over at the Gun Gallery:

I had a great time. I didnt take quite as many pictures as I usually do, but I think there's some good ones. Im happy I was able to help some of you out on the spot. I'm greatful to Chris and Magpul Dynamics for the opportunity to help.

Gear and gun issues were I saw were minimal, which is great. Everything was an easy fix:

-POF gun shooting Wolf had a couple cases getting stuck in the chamber resulting in failuers to eject.

-Another guy had a Spikes complete lower and the trigger pin broke in half. This is at least the 6th time I have seen that in a Spikes lower.

-A custom Recce upper had a few popped primers, one of which was a real PITA. I presume the match chamber and hot ammo were to blame?

-Two EoTechs and one flashlight came loose and fell off the gun. I dont believe either of the guys had the mounts tightened per the directions. Got those squared away quick.

-Even with a vert grip, you need rail pannels on the lower rail. Guys hands were getting ripped up and bloody by bare lower rails.

-Most guys know this, and those who dont find out quick, MIADs with trigger guards or Gappers of some sort will save your knuckle a lot of grief.

-I heard Costa say this and it is now a new catch phrase for me. "Ounces equal pounds". Heavy guns are harder to maneuver with and handle than something smaller, lighter and handier. Hats off to effin Mers for running the whole class with that heavy gun without a complaint! I've done it before and it isnt easy!
Manipulating the gun all day for two or three days will tear your hands and fingers up. There were a lot of taped up fingers and interest in gloves as the days went on.

Here's some of the 600+ pics!!! http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=10&t=311572

m.adams
06-05-08, 13:51
Fixed your links.. you forgot the http://

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Driz, why you shooting lefty?
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Getting into offset
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Effin Mers and the Redi-Mag speed reload
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Frank and Rick doing the speed reload
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m.adams
06-05-08, 13:51
AEM at the Scannin and Searching at Low Ready
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Doc trying out something a little lighter with the LWRC
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Driz with the speed reload.
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Rick does a double tap
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Left handers!
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Costa with the first of two EoTechs that took flight off rifles mid drill
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Unconventional positions
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I hopped in there for a few drills
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m.adams
06-05-08, 13:52
I never saw so many people bleeding? This was one of about half the people in the class with cuts, scrapes, abbrasions and lascerations!
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Second EoTech to take flight. Now you see it
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Now you dont
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Speed Kneeling
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Chris hopped in for a sec
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I think SGB calls it Gun Plumbing!
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Starting to get a little darker, talking about light options
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Everything is a little harder without light
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Day two... Lets start moving!
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Shoot, move, communicate, reload
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m.adams
06-05-08, 13:52
Now lets do it as a team, Chris Robert and AEM demonstating the peel
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Now everybody
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Shooting around and through barricades
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Starting to incorporate a little handgun
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Ask me how I know this can happen!!! Oops.
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Move it Rick!
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m.adams
06-05-08, 13:53
AEM with the rifle and pistol
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Frank and a smooth draw
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The Archangel
06-05-08, 13:58
OutFu$#@!*&standing Trav. Looking forward to taking one of your classes in the near future.

SIMPLYDYNAMIC
06-05-08, 13:59
Thanks bradda! my brain was starting to smoke!



OutFu$#@!*&standing Trav. Looking forward to taking one of your classes in the near future.

Nick, Thanks man, IM inbound....

Rich776
06-05-08, 15:20
Is there a schedule for Magpul Classes? I'd like to attend one in the near future. Thanks

MaceWindu
06-05-08, 15:29
Oct 18-19, 2008
Magpul Dynamics Advanced Handgun
San Jose, CA
Magpul Dynamics

I'm already registered. :)


Feb 7-8, 2009
Magpul Dynamics Advanced Carbine
Reno, NV
Magpul Dynamics

...I'm there...

Mace

costa
06-05-08, 15:32
You can check out our schedule on the Magpul Dynamics website.

Best,
Costa

MaceWindu
06-05-08, 15:32
Is there a schedule for Magpul Classes? I'd like to attend one in the near future. Thanks


http://magpuldynamics.com/training/schedule.shtml


Mace

Harv
06-05-08, 20:09
AEM at the Scannin and Searching at Low Ready

Any reason his Bolt is locked to the rear on an Empty mag while scannin and searching???;)

costa
06-05-08, 20:40
Good eye Harv. As you can imagine no one should scan with an unloaded weapon system, and we would never advocate that. However we do some many drills he obviously didn't feel the lock back, it's just the camera caught him at a bad moment. Just like the guy with no magazine in his secondary, people loss focus exspecially when the heat is unforgiven. AEM was a very, very, good shooter, I defiantly wouldn't want to be south of him.

r,

SIMPLYDYNAMIC
06-05-08, 22:09
Any reason his Bolt is locked to the rear on an Empty mag while scannin and searching???;)


Dont worry Harv... That shot was taken a split second before he got hit in the head with a wrench...
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Harv
06-06-08, 00:24
I'm just funin ya Chris....:cool:

I know how that works when you snappin a pic...

costa
06-06-08, 07:38
I'm easy Harv, but I don't mean that in a sluty kinda way. So when are you going to jump into a course?

stay safe,

mark5pt56
06-06-08, 07:51
Good eye Harv. As you can imagine no one should scan with an unloaded weapon system, and we would never advocate that. However we do some many drills he obviously didn't feel the lock back, it's just the camera caught him at a bad moment. Just like the guy with no magazine in his secondary, people loss focus exspecially when the heat is unforgiven. AEM was a very, very, good shooter, I defiantly wouldn't want to be south of him.

r,


In all fairness, take enough pics in any training class and sooner or later, anyone can be seen doing something wrong.

SCULLY
06-06-08, 09:19
Travis, thanks for the write up and all the great pics, it looks like a great day and time was had by all.

Harv
06-06-08, 14:08
You and Travis are on my Short list....:) You two gotta head up north a little closer tho....

Another thing I noticed... lots of Bloody elbows... Goes to show that when your doing dynamic, aggressive training.. Protective gear is a must.

markm
06-06-08, 14:19
Good eye Harv. As you can imagine no one should scan with an unloaded weapon system, and we would never advocate that. However we do some many drills he obviously didn't feel the lock back

People who rely 100% on feeling the bolt lock back for knowing their gun is empty are living in fantasy land. I read it ALL THE TIME on the various gun boards.

I picked up some small, but valuable advice from Harv. LOOK at what you're closing your dust cover on. I closed mine on a locked back bolt once. Boy was that a confusing malf clearance. I couldn't get the bolt to go forward with the CH, and the cover was closed, so I didn't know WTF was going on.

Sure. When your soft ass is plunked down at the public range feeling the bolt lock back works great. But add movement, several other shooters, and various distractions... and that method goes right out the window.

costa
06-06-08, 14:51
Harv, Your right, however we can't put their pants on for them. As long as they are not about to get injured more then the standard bruises, bumps, and scrapes. People learn sometimes through a little pain.

Dem, your right, I agree with you that under high stress you will probably not feel a lock back which is why we chamber check when the gun stops working.

r,