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Eurodriver
06-17-14, 15:06
Just what the title says. Ammo is getting cheaper by the week and, except for .22LR, you can find pretty much everything at pre-Newtown levels.
I don't buy ammo, but I could use a few specific Gun powders. Powder is still mysteriously absent from the shelves.
I loaded up on mags when they came down (I have plenty but had a lot of people that should know better asking me if I knew where to find any last time around).
I was ready for the last several panics in the ammo department too but am taking advantage of falling prices when I can to pad things out.
If everyone here would send my 5 gallons of once fired .223 brass, I'd be happy. My pool of brass is aging.... quickly.
I'm all set... I thought. Two years ago I bought enough powder for what I thought would be at least 10 years worth. Well, it was more like 3. ****ing 7.62 ammo chews up the powder way more than I anticipated. I'm in relatively good shape, loaded ammo wise but I'd like to have a bigger stock of powder.
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I don't typically buy loaded ammo, but I've been searching for a few certain powders that have been MIA for a while now... it seems like the hunt is more fun than the kill.
Eurodriver
06-17-14, 15:54
I don't buy ammo, but I could use a few specific Gun powders. Powder is still mysteriously absent from the shelves.
You'd have your brass if you bought ammo :)
Wolf GOLD seems like an exceptional deal if you're a reloader. $350 shipped per 1000rds and it's boxer primed.
I had no idea powder was short. Whats up with that?
I could always use more powder, primers, bullets, and brass
Primers and bullets are everywhere. It's the powder that's just non existent.
You'd have your brass if you bought ammo :)
Wolf GOLD seems like an exceptional deal if you're a reloader. $350 shipped per 1000rds and it's boxer primed.
Damn. Pappabear was talking about buying some ammo. I say it's too early. I've been watching ammo sit on the shelves. It will have to go cheaper still.
I had no idea powder was short. Whats up with that?
I don't really know. I'm not sure if it's gobbled up before retail, or something else.
There was an email flyer from some online retailer saying that they saved this batch of powder for "retail". I wonder what the other option for the powder was. Commercial reloading?
Primers and bullets are everywhere. It's the powder that's just non existent.
Yeah, but I still don't have enough if there were to be another shortage. I need to start stacking up, but other things in life are taking precedence at the moment... :(
I've been finding primers more and more around town. Unfortunately they are still selling at somewhat inflated prices unless you want to order them. Certain bullets are still kind of scarce, but most are coming back around.
Yeah, but I still don't have enough if there were to be another shortage.
That's true. I can remember when Pappabear would drop by and hand me 8 lbs of whatever powder like nothing. "Okay... Cool. Put it over on the shelf."
Fudge me!!!
I am not ready for the next shortage because I shoot...... A LOT.
I can't keep ammo around long. I'm like an ammo crackhead. Do you really think crackheads have any extra crack lying around just incase their dealer gets locked up?
Primers & projos are everywhere, at least around here. I kick myself in the ass though; about 2 months ago I called my local honey hole & they had two 8 pounders of H322 & some 1 pounders of Varget in stock. I thought screw it, I'll wait & swing by on the weekend when I have more time. They were sold out when I called to confirm that following Saturday.
On the the flip side, I'm doing what I can to help you guys out with 22LR. I haven't bought or shot that crap in over 10 years. Last time was to eradicate some critters around the house. My 10/22 has sat dormant ever since.
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I'll never be ready! I have a good supply of components, but how long will the next one last and how much will prices increase?
If everyone here would send my 5 gallons of once fired .223 brass, I'd be happy. My pool of brass is aging.... quickly.
I was hoping to be the hook up with some of those surplus brass auctions we were watching during the late unpleasantness but you saw where those prices went.
Those things get bid up to fukktard levels. I don't know who's getting them, but the price they pay is stupid.
SeriousStudent
06-17-14, 20:51
Primers and bullets are everywhere. It's the powder that's just non existent.
That's essentially our situation here as well. I'm good on factory ammo, along with projectiles, primers and brass.
But I'd love to find some kegs of Bullseye and Ramshot TAC on the shelf.
Voodoo_Man
06-17-14, 21:00
Buy it cheap, stack it deep.
You guys have a little bit of time before the great scared of 2016 will occur with Hilary...
SeriousStudent
06-17-14, 21:05
Yup, just what I have been doing. I live within walking distance of Cabela's. Every time they put primers or projectiles on sale, I buy a bunch.
And I have been fortunate on most of my training classes this year. I brought food, ice water and Gatorade for all the students, and most of them gave me their brass in return.
I'm waiting for some further price drops and then back the truck up.
It's dropping further every week now just have to be patient. Bought some here and there when a deal popped up but looking for that bottom to jump big.
I was hoping to be the hook up with some of those surplus brass auctions we were watching during the late unpleasantness but you saw where those prices went.
Take another shot? ;)
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=results&fromsearch=true&words=Brass
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Certain powders have been really hard to come by. I'm bout ready to offer a hummer to the next gent the steers me in the right direction for a solid lead on 2 x 8 lbs of H110 (via escort of course). I'm also waiting for the eagle to chit 6 x 8lbs of 844/6. Next priority is another 2 x 8 lbs of H322, an 8 of BE and 2 x 5 lbs of Bdot. The Bdot isn't critical at this time... (Hand J..).
LOL...
Certain powders have been really hard to come by. I'm bout ready to offer a hummer to the next gent the steers me in the right direction for a solid lead on 2 x 8 lbs of H110 (via escort of course). I'm also waiting for the eagle to chit 6 x 8lbs of 844/6. Next priority is another 2 x 8 lbs of H322, an 8 of BE and 2 x 5 lbs of Bdot. The Bdot isn't critical at this time... (Hand J..).
LOL...
Good luck with the H110... that stuff has been MIA for over a year. I haven't even seen 1lb jugs in the wild since before Sandy Hook. I don't use it too much, but I'm gonna be needing some pretty soon too.
FWIW, my friendly neighborhood reloading store had 2 x 8lbs of XBR for something stupid like $235 each. I laughed when they told me.
I found good 9mm recently for about 230.00 per case. AE223 and similar for just over 300.00 delivered. I am doing my best to augment my armory..... just in case.
Where are you finding 223 that cheap?
Done. It took some doing and a huge investment but worth it.
I suggest using Gunbot.net also.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=423352411
Where are you finding 223 that cheap?
FWIW, my friendly neighborhood reloading store had 2 x 8lbs of XBR for something stupid like $235 each. I laughed when they told me.
That is a GOOD thing. Hopefully we start to see powders sit at high prices. That's step 1 in the painful cycle of returning to sanity.
I had to let 8 lbs of powder go on a 16lb back order because I wasn't going to pay hazmat on just 8 lbs. I hope someone is enjoying that H322. :(
I don't buy ammo, but I could use a few specific Gun powders. Powder is still mysteriously absent from the shelves.
I received and email from a Fort Worth gun range with some in stock. Here's what they say they have in stock:
"We have a pretty good selection of rifle powder in stock right now. I should also have some CFE pistol and a little Winchester AutoComp by the end of the week. Both of these powders do a great job with 9,40, and 45. As of right now the list of powders I have in stock is:
10x,R17,R19,R22,R25,R33,R50,ProReach,410,PPVarmit,1200R, 2000MR,4000MR,IMR4064,IMR4350,SR4759,IMR4198,IMR3031,IMR4895,IMR4831,IMR7828,IMR4007SSC,8208XBR,H4198,H332,H335,Benchmark,H4895,H380,H414,H4831,H1000,869,H50BMG."
Here's the website: http://www.alpinerange.com/index.html
Hope that helps ya.
I need to get back ahead on primers, then pick up more projectiles. I'm stuffed to the gills on brass thankfully, and a couple more matches and range days should fortify that even further. My biggest step to take in preparation will be job enhancement--I need larger paychecks to better afford magazine, component, and spare part purchases.
Doc Safari
06-18-14, 09:56
I would say definitely: "Buy Now."
Remember Barry's pronouncement that the trouble with mass shooters is that they can stockpile ammo?
I'm betting he's got legal staff working non-stop to find some executive order of some kind (like banning ammo imports) in order to get some more gun control under the radar.
Good betting money also says that with things heating up in the Middle East and Eastern Europe we could likely find our troops in another war, with ammo production going to them.
If nothing else the crisis in Iraq is going to cause prices on everything to rise, including ammo. That means less money for your gun prepper stash.
Buy Now.
There won't be any military action significant enough to impact ammo supplies any time soon. This retard President isn't sending any number of ground forces anywhere. He thinks he'll just send some SF unit and the problem will magically go away.
donlapalma
06-18-14, 11:07
I suggest using Gunbot.net also.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=423352411
Thanks for sharing the tip. Now is certainly the time to buy and stock up. Availability and prices are as good as they've been in a very long time and seem to be back to pre-Sandy Hook levels with some exceptions. I definitely plan to buy another couple thousand of 9mm and .223/5.56 very soon here so I'm not kicking myself in the ass for not planning better. God only knows when the next psychopathic copy-cat turd burglar will come out of the wood work to claim his/her notoriety.
I have been buying cases of ammo as often as I can- every other month or so. But since my shooting habit is so bad, and my tolerance has built up so that I need more and more ammo to satisfy me. :(
Doc Safari
06-18-14, 11:16
There won't be any military action significant enough to impact ammo supplies any time soon. This retard President isn't sending any number of ground forces anywhere. He thinks he'll just send some SF unit and the problem will magically go away.
I'm wondering at some point if there will be no choice. Let's suppose these ISIS thugs decide to invade Kuwait or Saudi Arabia because they are not afraid anything will happen to them. That scenario could be more than a year away, but I don't doubt for a minute that whole peninsula is at risk.
I'm wondering at some point if there will be no choice. Let's suppose these ISIS thugs decide to invade Kuwait or Saudi Arabia because they are not afraid anything will happen to them. That scenario could be more than a year away, but I don't doubt for a minute that whole peninsula is at risk.
No doubt. Due to Hussein's weakness and true loyalty to Muslims, NOT America... this crap is going to be a mess.
Those things get bid up to fukktard levels. I don't know who's getting them, but the price they pay is stupid.
Common Core math graduates buying brass I suspect.
Take another shot? ;)
http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/search?cmd=results&fromsearch=true&words=Brass
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I am getting tired of burning my hand touching the stove to see if it is still hot. I still watch them but the prices still go far past what I would be willing to give. It almost feels like bidding against another .gov entity. I don't know who else has money to throw away like that.
Local Wally-World lady was stocking the shelves with everything but 22lr Saturday morning around 10:00am. She stated that the same "old" guys were in there at 7:00am to clean out the rimfire action. Plenty of guns and ammo here in Eastern N.C. for right now to the point of having AR's in the display case and stock room.
Keith
I am getting tired of burning my hand touching the stove to see if it is still hot. I still watch them but the prices still go far past what I would be willing to give. It almost feels like bidding against another .gov entity. I don't know who else has money to throw away like that.
Yeah, I'm real curious as to where all that brass ends up... especially at those prices.
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I still don't know what the deal is with 22LR. I just can't see people trying to flip it for twice the price and people ACTUALLY buying it. I did find a shop close to me that had quite a bit of it, but it was some high quality, high velocity match type stuff. I just want regular 22LR, nothing special, but there's no way in hell I'm paying what these flippers are asking.
I suggest using Gunbot.net also.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=423352411
Wow, that's a pretty good deal right now at $290 shipped. Nothing on gunbot comes close. Nearest brass ammo is wolf gold at $320 plus shipping. Thanks for sharing, IG.
I certainly hope there is not another panic, however I'm not sure if we can have another one like the last few unless there is actually pending legistlation.
As I have said elsewhere, this "shortage" is not like, say, a gas shortage. 90% of the people who hoarded are never going to burn though their supplies and are not going to be motivated to hoard more in the next scare.
We need another 10 million first time gun buyers for serious shortages again ... Which would actually be a benefit on the voting front.
pretty well stocked on reloading components, but my factory ammo stash is frighteningly low. still, i'm holding out for lower prices. they will come down unless something horrendous happens
Im in the same boat as taliv. Factory ammo is rapidly approaching nothing. I usually only buy it to retrieve the brass. So I need to pick up a couple cases of 223, 9, and 45. I could also use half a case of some other various low priority rounds.
I lucked in to a case of 9mm 147 hst recently, but that is not exactly a round I want to blast away for the brass. I will probably flip half of it to pick something else up.
As far as reloading components go im lacking in training projectiles. I recently picked up a lot of partitions, and 1k of 62 tbbc. Im fine with powder and primers.
The real question here is how long do most of us perceive the next "shortage" will be?
If a shortage is the perceived notion that things will settle down and get back to normal in some foreseeable short period of time then some reserves might do and most might say they're OK. For myself the current shortage is tapering off after fairly recent events politically created them but let's think a little darker. What if the next shortage lasted 10 years like the AWB did but affected ammo the way it did magazines and other items back then? Doesn't feel good to go there but you can't eliminate the possibility.
I certainly hope there is not another panic, however I'm not sure if we can have another one like the last few unless there is actually pending legistlation.
It's hard to say if the mass shooting fad will go away. If these little retard liberal offspring start getting smoked quicker and the body counts drop, it might go out of style.
I don't see the psychological health of our Country improving until there is some major changes in the bloat and corruption of our government. As our country corrodes under bad liberal governing, people are more and more interested in keeping 2A rights.
I operate under the assumption that there will be legal action taken to hinder ammunition and firearms sales.
To us a tax stamp for 200$ for NFA items isn't bad. But imagine if it was 3538.39$? Thats what 200 1934 dollars are adjusted for inflation today. Look how we tax cigarettes, 1.10$ in fed taxes and as much as 4$ in state tax. Thats what 100% tax? and we keep raising it.
I am not buying guns and ammo to prepare for the next panic shortage I am buying for life! I probably have 40-50 years of shooting ahead of me. My GF asked me the other day when I will have "enough" ammo, I told her when I have enough to ware out the barrel of every gun I own.
The last panics got to the point where I am comfortable with all the guns and mags I have, now its all about ammo. I have certain prices at which I buy. I have yet to make an ammo purchase I regretted.
People on this board say "If I'd known in 1986 I would have bought 100 machine guns" Well its like 1985 right now, get buying cause the fun will end soon enough. I don't see a very comprehensive ban, but I do see trying to price it out of existence. I mean who is going to say no to an ammo tax that it "for the kids".
Buy it cheap pack it deep.
Agree, that while there may be occasional event driven shortages, the future is most likely to have continued political pressure on ammo and guns. I don't see our national "conservative" leaders ever again taking stand to reduce legal pressure on ammo or contravening executive actions such as import restrictions, EPA regs, etc. In other words, ammo won't be getting much cheaper short term, and in the long term likely to be much more expensive in 5 years and 10 years out.
I have been steadily trying to buy more components and ammo than I consume every month since about 2005. And I plan to keep doing this. I don't see any downside to stockpiling ammo. If I keel over then my kids and grandkids will inherit a good supply. I have not bought much factory ammo since 2011 but plenty more bullets, primers and occasional powder. Right now I would consider any pistol ammo below $20/box a fair price and .223 ammo below $8/20 a good deal and below $10/20 a tolerable cost. I'm not holding my breath for widespread pistol ammo prices below $15/50 or .223 below $7 again.
My main factory ammo targets right now are more .380 for the wife's new pistol (and components), and .22 WRM for which I did not have a gun/need until recently. Not seeing any of this yet. Lots of 9mm, .40, .45, .32ACP, and generally primers and bullets.
Right now I would consider any pistol ammo below $20/box a fair price and .223 ammo below $8/20 a good deal and below $10/20 a tolerable cost. I'm not holding my breath for widespread pistol ammo prices below $15/50 or .223 below $7 again.
Might not be widespread, but the getting is pretty good right now.
Blazer brass 115fmj $13/50.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/handgun-ammunition/9mm-luger/blazer-brass-115gr-9mm.html
This CBC 5.56 M193 55fmj was $320/1000 yesterday, it seems 223/556 flew off the shelves overnight at PSA, they sold out of a bunch of other stuff too.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/223-5-56/magtech-5-56-m193-55gr-fmj-556a.html
Other things for consideration, guns may become non transferable at some point, or some may. With ammo that is almost impossible to control and track. I think it can much more fairly be considered and treated like a traded commodity more than guns.
You guys are nuts. Gun control is VERY unpopular right now. The usual nutbags are still chasing it, but the trend is towards the positive. Colorado put two idiot politicians out on their asses, and the Governor had to fumble fukk through an apology for signing the bill.
I'm not worried about right now, it's the future I'm buying for.
I'm not worried about right now, it's the future I'm buying for.
Bingo.
I'm seeing the best prices on AR & AK mags I've seen in years. Now is the time to buy.
You guys are nuts. Gun control is VERY unpopular right now. The usual nutbags are still chasing it, but the trend is towards the positive. Colorado put two idiot politicians out on their asses, and the Governor had to fumble fukk through an apology for signing the bill.
Agreed. People are buying too much into the false reality that the media want you to believe. Gun-control support it down to a near all-time low. They are showing their desperation by continuously having to print bull shit stats like the 74 school shooting crap Bloomburgs dopey organization put out. And the head guy there just stepped down basically admitting their messaging is total BS in a recent interview.
Plus, by the end of the year the Republicans will control both houses. We just have to worry about Hillary. After all there enough retards in this country that will vote for her just because she's a woman. Just like all the assholes that voted for Obama just because he was black. Then again, she can't do anything big without Congress. Unfortunately, there still too many dopey people in the gun community that believe otherwise.
Agreed. People are buying too much into the false reality that the media want you to believe. Gun-control support it down to a near all-time low. They are showing their desperation by continuously having to print bull shit stats like the 74 school shooting crap Bloomburgs dopey organization put out. And the head guy there just stepped down basically admitting their messaging is total BS in a recent interview.
Exactly.
Thank God I'm not the only one here in a hurry to hand over my 2a rights like a hot potato.
Doc Safari
06-20-14, 13:11
You guys are nuts. Gun control is VERY unpopular right now. The usual nutbags are still chasing it, but the trend is towards the positive. Colorado put two idiot politicians out on their asses, and the Governor had to fumble fukk through an apology for signing the bill.
Uh...unpopular or not, don't think the libs have given up on it. The new trend is to rule by executive order. The POTUS might not be able to do as much directly, but he can hinder the Second Amendment enough that we will feel it. Removing the banking privileges of gun-related businesses by putting the heat on financial institutions springs to mind.
Uh...unpopular or not, don't think the libs have given up on it. The new trend is to rule by executive order. The POTUS might not be able to do as much directly, but he can hinder the Second Amendment enough that we will feel it. Removing the banking privileges of gun-related businesses by putting the heat on financial institutions springs to mind.
I think old dick breath's abuse of power is about at the point where even the mouth breathing masses can no longer deny it.
There's really not one thing he can hang his turban on and say.. hey. this is working well. Shoot... if he keeps it up, the NRA could simply become a bank FOR the firearms industry. It'd be a popular bank.
I think old dick breath's abuse of power is about at the point where even the mouth breathing masses can no longer deny it.
Hahahaha!!! Thanks for that!!!!
Uh...unpopular or not, don't think the libs have given up on it. The new trend is to rule by executive order. The POTUS might not be able to do as much directly, but he can hinder the Second Amendment enough that we will feel it. Removing the banking privileges of gun-related businesses by putting the heat on financial institutions springs to mind.
An executive order like this would go no place, and with some of the scandals starting to get more attention there might be an impeachment coming down the line. They have not given up on it, but they might as well, because anti 2a legislation is not going anywhere. He may use executive orders, but executive orders do not equal law. All proposed anti 2a legislation will do nothing, but create new gun owners.
As bad as he wants to get rid of firearms he has put guns in the hands of more first time buyers than any gun company could have ever done on its own. Essentially he is doing just the opposite of what he wants.
He can try to eliminate the gun companies banking ability, but it is not possible. One smart bank will see how lucrative the gun market is, and they will step up to provide banking services for gun firearm related companies. If that does not happen the firearm companies will move their money to foreign banks.
Bottom line is nothing on the federal level iw going to happen for a while.
with some of the scandals starting to get more attention there might be an impeachment coming down the line.
Don't kid yourself. This turban toting Muslim ain't going anywhere anytime soon. He is untouchable and everyone will protect him because he's half black.
Like I said might be. It seems like he is even losing some of his left wing media support. Even if he finishes his term gun control is not going anywhere right now. Is it possible in the future. Of course it is possible. Thats why the only precious metals I buy are brass, copper, and lead. It is for the future. I dont plan on having kids, but I have some young cousins that I would like to keep them and there kids shooting. So I will continue to buy when I can.
ScatmanCrothers
06-22-14, 15:06
I'm in a weird place for buying right now. Powders off of gunbot are almost always 1lb'ers for ones I'm actively seeking and I am having the hardest time forking over anywhere from 25 to 50 bucks for hazardous shipping charges for a bunch of not so cost saving 1lb jugs. Only local place is 20 miles away with 2 shipments a month that are hit or miss, and they only get 1lb'ers too. I haven't purchased bulk ammo for a while but honestly a 300 to 350 dollar case of 1000rd brass cased with free shipping when available doesn't seem so bad anymore. I'm buying both but not really liking my current situation. Could be worse, could be better.
Yep. I passed on my backordered 8 lbs of H322 because I wasn't paying Hazmat for only 8lbs. The other half of the order was 8lbs of something else and I'd have ended up with 2 hazmat fees.
I've has 2000 308 primers/bullets and cases looking for power for almost 1 1/2 years with no luck. This is de facto f'ing gun control!
Powder is out there you just have to look. I was just in a store that has been sitting on 20 pound of imr 4064 which would be great for your 308. It just takes a little bit of looking.
If you have not found powder in over a year it is due to not really trying.
Powder is out there you just have to look. I was just in a store that has been sitting on 20 pound of imr 4064 which would be great for your 308. It just takes a little bit of looking.
If you have not found powder in over a year it is due to not really trying.
Yep. IMR 4064 is definitely out there. It's a harder powder to work with due to the long kernels, but it's out there. I picked up an extra 8 lb jug just in case Varget goes another year of absence.
Yep. IMR 4064 is definitely out there. It's a harder powder to work with due to the long kernels, but it's out there. I picked up an extra 8 lb jug just in case Varget goes another year of absence.
I was curious about the 4064. That stuff has been sitting on shelves by me forever & if it's a decent alternative, I'll pick some up.
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Great powder. Temp stabile... used in military .308 loads over the years. (Why they went with Reloader powder for the LR .308, I'll NEVER understand)
You just need to have a metering device that can handle long cut extruded powder.
Cool, thanks. I think I'll pick up a few pounds to try.
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As one of my colleagues noted. The president is a lame duck and has nothing to lose. Look for something to happen after the coming elections. He will probably maximize the use of his pen. Whether it withstands a legal challenge later it will be irrelevant.
Eurodriver
06-25-14, 14:28
As one of my colleagues noted. The president is a lame duck and has nothing to lose. Look for something to happen after the coming elections. He will probably maximize the use of his pen. Whether it withstands a legal challenge later it will be irrelevant.
Mirrors my thoughts. I am running low on funds, but I always buy a good ammo deal. Doubling your money is virtually guaranteed within a few years and if not you've got a ton of ammo to shoot. It's win win.
Moose-Knuckle
06-25-14, 16:11
I would say definitely: "Buy Now."
Remember Barry's pronouncement that the trouble with mass shooters is that they can stockpile ammo?
I'm betting he's got legal staff working non-stop to find some executive order of some kind (like banning ammo imports) in order to get some more gun control under the radar.
Good betting money also says that with things heating up in the Middle East and Eastern Europe we could likely find our troops in another war, with ammo production going to them.
If nothing else the crisis in Iraq is going to cause prices on everything to rise, including ammo. That means less money for your gun prepper stash.
Buy Now.
I operate under the assumption that there will be legal action taken to hinder ammunition and firearms sales.
To us a tax stamp for 200$ for NFA items isn't bad. But imagine if it was 3538.39$? Thats what 200 1934 dollars are adjusted for inflation today. Look how we tax cigarettes, 1.10$ in fed taxes and as much as 4$ in state tax. Thats what 100% tax? and we keep raising it.
I am not buying guns and ammo to prepare for the next panic shortage I am buying for life! I probably have 40-50 years of shooting ahead of me. My GF asked me the other day when I will have "enough" ammo, I told her when I have enough to ware out the barrel of every gun I own.
The last panics got to the point where I am comfortable with all the guns and mags I have, now its all about ammo. I have certain prices at which I buy. I have yet to make an ammo purchase I regretted.
People on this board say "If I'd known in 1986 I would have bought 100 machine guns" Well its like 1985 right now, get buying cause the fun will end soon enough. I don't see a very comprehensive ban, but I do see trying to price it out of existence. I mean who is going to say no to an ammo tax that it "for the kids".
Buy it cheap pack it deep.
You gents "get it".
Watch closley how this regime will address what Barry referred too as under the radar measures and the slight of hand comment about mass shooters and stock piling ammutniton in private homes.
For those of you who smoke cigars and or pipes you should be aware of the The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (hah wow you can't make that shit up) by now. This law was created so the federal government could once again protect public health. Essentially the government has to protect people from themselves so they are going to regulate the hell out of the cigar industry. One of the many ways they are doing this is to ban the online/catalog sales of tobacco products in the name of public health. The lie goes they are afraid that without a face to face sale of such items a minor "could" somehow potentially purchase tobacco products online and have said products shipped to them without ever having anyone verify in person age (i.e. IDENTIFICATION).
I can honestly see Barry, Jarret, and Holder going this route with the sale of ammunition. Anyone knows that the best deals on everything from premium cigars to bulk ammo can be found online rather at local stores/shops. Also I can see some EO coming down that will not only ban the online/catalog sale of ammo but that ammo retailers will have to be licensed through the BATFE and keep records of ammo sales, especially "bulk purchases" in modern military calibers.
I'm nowhere near ready, sadly. Finances are tied up since we have to buy everything for a whole house pretty much. Moving isn't cheap, especially your first one. Hopefully it'll hold off until I've got less every day necessities and can stop passing up some good deals I've been seeing.
Great powder. Temp stabile... used in military .308 loads over the years. (Why they went with Reloader powder for the LR .308, I'll NEVER understand)
You just need to have a metering device that can handle long cut extruded powder.
What is your experience with RL 15? What is it about Reloader powder in your experience that is worse than 4064 or varget?
Powder supply is well almost missing from the shelves.
My drought is over and my cases are getting happy. 32lbs of love on it's was. AMEN!
What is your experience with RL 15? What is it about Reloader powder in your experience that is worse than 4064 or varget?
Never got it to group that great. It has it's following, and it will shoot good for some guys, but its Temp instability is unacceptable. Off the top of my head... the mil found that RL15 picked up like 80 fps for ONLY a 50 degree temp swing, while IMR - 4064 only picked up like 8 - 10 fps for DOUBLE the temp swing... 100 degrees!!!
And the retarded thing is... they STILL use the crap in the .308 Mk118LR ammo. The Mk 316, or whatever it's called is recognized as the MUCH better round... effectively Federal GMM 175.
This is an issue with all the RL powders. They came up with AR Comp to try to minimize this problem (as I understand it). I don't buy anything RL. It's too temp wild in AZ for that nonsense.
Steel head
06-26-14, 08:41
If I can get a #8'er of WST, some more pistol bullet and a few more rifle bullets I'd be ok for a lil while.
I'm eyeing up a 8 lb container of PB at my LGS. Not my favorite but it's working passably well so far for me and while it's not quite Clays or Titegroup it's still really efficient so I could load off of it forever, like 13-14K or more. I figure if I had that and the primers and bullets to go with it I'd be set for a while at least on 9mm b/c brass grows on trees at my range. Rifle...well, I gotta catch up on that.
Never got it to group that great. It has it's following, and it will shoot good for some guys, but its Temp instability is unacceptable. Off the top of my head... the mil found that RL15 picked up like 80 fps for ONLY a 50 degree temp swing, while IMR - 4064 only picked up like 8 - 10 fps for DOUBLE the temp swing... 100 degrees!!!
And the retarded thing is... they STILL use the crap in the .308 Mk118LR ammo. The Mk 316, or whatever it's called is recognized as the MUCH better round... effectively Federal GMM 175.
This is an issue with all the RL powders. They came up with AR Comp to try to minimize this problem (as I understand it). I don't buy anything RL. It's too temp wild in AZ for that nonsense.
Thanks for the info and for taking the time to reply. There are kegs of IMR 4064 sitting on the shelves around here.
There are kegs of IMR 4064 sitting on the shelves around here.
Good stuff. But a pain to work with as far as the long kernels go. Shoots .308 and .223 SMKs very well.
m1a_scoutguy
06-26-14, 11:07
Good stuff. But a pain to work with as far as the long kernels go. Shoots .308 and .223 SMKs very well.
Yes, I agree I have been getting IMR4064 lately seems pretty available around these parts. Varget is tough but I have been having better luck with IMR8208 anyways, I have been buying the 4064 as backup but still prefer the 8208. I was down in VA. Richmond area a couple weeks ago and yes there were shelf's full of 8lb jugs of 4064,4831,4350 and a couple others,,lots of single 1lb cans also. I'm up in NY and its so, so around here, I get it when I can, but overall I am in good shape for the Summer !
11.99$ Blazer brass 9mm 115gr.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/blazer-brass-115gr-9mm.html
and CBC m193 5.56 back at 319.99 for a case
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/223-5-56/magtech-5-56-m193-55gr-fmj-556a.html
Edit to add: I'd say 12$ is my new buy price for 9mm brass, 320 is fair for 5.56 but I can see it getting to the 289.99 level for decent stuff.
I wish I could find some 4350 locally. 4064 is available and it would be great if my next project was 308, but I decided on a fast twist 243 AI to shoot the 115 dtac exclusively.
If anybody is having a hard time finding there preferred powders, if you go to the ADI website they hqve a powder equivalence chart. If there is a powder that is close to what you like it has them listed.
If anyone local to nor cal redding area that has 4350 but no varget. I have some varget I would gladly trade straight up for 4350. No gouging because you cant find it. I have an unopened 8lb, unopened 1lb, and a 1lb that hqs loaded less than 50 223 rounds.
Good stuff. But a pain to work with as far as the long kernels go. Shoots .308 and .223 SMKs very well.
Yeah, every year I tell myself I'm going to buy a Chargemaster and every year I just spend the money on ammo.
Halleluiah! Truck load of N-135 headed my way! Lot's of hungry 308's to feed :)
domestique
06-27-14, 00:51
You guys are killing me.
There is NOTHING useable on the shelves in PA. Other then some powders for skeet and some niche powders.
I would kill to find some 4064, 1680, Varget, Lil gun, and titegroup in 8lb jugs. The only thing really in stock are primers.
Well folks, H110 seems to be coming back around. My friendly neighborhood reloading shop got 10 lbs of it today.
I just picked up 20#s of random powders yesterday to top off what I had. Varget, H322, H335 & 4064. I've been too busy lately to do much shooting/reloading so I'll be good for awhile.
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I just picked up 20#s of random powders yesterday to top off what I had. Varget, H322, H335 & 4064. I've been too busy lately to do much shooting/reloading so I'll be good for awhile.
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Nobody likes an obnoxious asshole hoarding all the goods and bragging about it.
:D
Nice to see people are scoring. Almost time to re-enter the market.
Nobody likes an obnoxious asshole hoarding all the goods and bragging about it.
:D
I thought I toned it down a bit for the internet. I didn't mention the roughly 3000# I laid eyes on or did I flash any of the pictures that I had sent you. To you, I was a bragging asshole. To the rest, I was an inspiration of hope. ;)
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I've got a lot of ammo but if something like the last scare happens again and lasts as long I will be nearly empty on ammo by the time its over
SeriousStudent
06-28-14, 23:44
I went to a gun show here in Texas today, and have good news. A lot of the expensive ammo just got stared at, and folks moved on.
I saw a LOT of small pistol and small rifle primers. Most of the 1-pound cans of powder were $28. Eight-pound kegs were $175-190.
No Bullseye or Ramshot TAC (what I was looking for). But a lot of CFE223, 4064, Trail Boss, Tite Group and assorted rifle powders. Some pistol powder, but not as much.
$35-40 boxes of Federal Bulk pack .22 were just sitting, and not selling.
At least locally, it looks like primers and powder are coming back. Lots of projectiles to be had, too. But I'm in decent shape on those.
I went to a gun show here in Texas today, and have good news. A lot of the expensive ammo just got stared at, and folks moved on.
I saw a LOT of small pistol and small rifle primers. Most of the 1-pound cans of powder were $28. Eight-pound kegs were $175-190.
No Bullseye or Ramshot TAC (what I was looking for). But a lot of CFE223, 4064, Trail Boss, Tite Group and assorted rifle powders. Some pistol powder, but not as much.
$35-40 boxes of Federal Bulk pack .22 were just sitting, and not selling.
At least locally, it looks like primers and powder are coming back. Lots of projectiles to be had, too. But I'm in decent shape on those.
Thats good news. If you were local we could work out a trade projectiles fro tac and bullseye. Your a moderator so I have a question. With it being impossible for normal people to ship haz mat, and the unique situation the reloading community faces with powder shortages. Would it be possible to start a local trading thread? If your looking for tac for instance.
You start a thread stating your looking for tac and you have varget to trade. You put your locale and how far your willing to travel to make a trade if your willing to travel. I think this woupd be a good way to possibly help each other out. Someone might be lacking something that is not readily available, but someone loacal has it in excess or has no plan to use it.
I know I have some powder I dont care to use that others would love to have. If we could ship haz mat the ee would work. It would be nice to off some h335, varget, and tac especially since I know others would be happy to have it.
SeriousStudent
06-29-14, 00:15
Off the top of my head, I can't think of any reason you could not already do that. Post a WTT thread in the EE, and tell what you have and what you want. I would not post GPS coordinates of your secret powder bunker, but tell folks you are willing to travel x miles from Gotham City as you mentioned.
Like you said, the deal-killer on reselling powder you currently own is the hazmat shipping. But if you trade stuff and never ship it through a commercial carrier, I don't see an issue.
BUT: I'm not a lawyer, your mileage may vary, yada yada yada.....
ETA: The reason I said you should put it in the EE is to make sure only folks with EE privs can participate. A person must have 30 useful posts to get EE privileges. I know that you will gasp with dismay from hearing this, but there are actually people who join and run up 30 fast and useless posts in a few hours just to post in the EE. Shocking, eh?
So if we just have a thread in the reloading forum, they can craftily try and skirt that. And guess who tends to be the problem children ripping off our members? You got it, people who engage in post-whoring to get into the EE.
Clear as mud?
This is what pisses me off about some guys here. They post, crying about wanting to find this or that, (not necessarily even loading components) but don't show their location.... or have some cute, bullshit attempt at comedy for their location. :fie:
It's so much quicker for someone to say Hey... I'm in your state and saw this or that at Chuy's Gun shack on 87th street.
I have pretty much stopped shooting .22, and I have stopped looking for it. I have some, but have been shooting my centerfire reloads instead. Yes, powder is now the problem. :(
I thought I toned it down a bit for the internet. I didn't mention the roughly 3000# I laid eyes on or did I flash any of the pictures that I had sent you. To you, I was a bragging asshole. To the rest, I was an inspiration of hope. ;)
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You know I'm just jealous. :)
If we see a lonely, random pound of powder around here, it's like finding sunken treasure. :( I'm so sick of defacto gun control.
If I only had a friend in a Fudd deer Hunter state that could stroll in to the ACE hardware and buy 200 lbs of (insert pet powder here) at will and then ship it to me..........
If only.
:D
This is what pisses me off about some guys here. They post, crying about wanting to find this or that, (not necessarily even loading components) but don't show their location.... or have some cute, bullshit attempt at comedy for their location. :fie:
It's so much quicker for someone to say Hey... I'm in your state and saw this or that at Chuy's Gun shack on 87th street.
Coming from Mr. cute, bullshit comedy himself.
Are we thinking Hillary 2016?????????????????????????????????
I didn't see it mentioned... browser plugins such as Page Monitor are still very effective at monitoring changes in stock online. With demand softening it should be even more useful to people whose local areas are still in drought.
Serious student thanks for the answer you brought up some stuff I did not think about.
Markm that bothers me to. IGs location is my favorite.
That's good news. If you were local we could work out a trade projectiles fro tac and bullseye...
I'm in NorCal.
I don't have anything to trade — I only buy stuff I want to use — but I'd be thrilled split shipping/HazMat on a shipment, or to compensate anybody who would deliver a load of components to behind the redwood curtain...
With it being impossible for normal people to ship haz mat...
Whatever. I would just ship it.
AFAIK, "HazMat" is just bullshit.
Gunpowder seems a lot less dangerous than a lot of other stuff that ships without $25 "HazMat" stickers on it, and UPS handles it all the same, anyway.
ScatmanCrothers
06-29-14, 19:08
What about a quote of what you're looking for in your signature line? Perhaps of the covert nature if need be...
"Living here in Central AL I'm always looking to tac up some vargets and set a new benchmark. People that like money can help me out with that anytime they like"
-ScatmanCrothers
Would beat the hell out of a gun safe inventory checklist at least.
fedupflyer
06-29-14, 22:50
Whatever. I would just ship it.
I would not do that with out declaring it as Hazmat.
If you are caught, you will face a large fine and possible jail time.
In addition folks have been injured or killed because of others not declaring the package as Hazmat.
AFAIK, "HazMat" is just bullshit.
No it is definitely not.
Gunpowder seems a lot less dangerous than a lot of other stuff that ships without $25 "HazMat" stickers on it, and UPS handles it all the same, anyway.
I will agree that some of the Hazmat up-charges are a little silly but UPS/FedEx/whatever cargo carrier does not handle them the same way as regular shipments.
It not just one package, it is all of the other packages that will be traveling with it and the interaction of possible other packages. While gun powder is considered a propellant and is a 1.4s item, it is low on the "danger list" but it still must be segregated from certain other classes of Hazmat. Not to mention all of the paperwork that is filled out and then changes hands multiple times.
Moose-Knuckle
06-30-14, 00:34
Hey... I'm in your state and saw this or that at Chuy's Gun shack on 87th street.
Oh man Chuy's is the chingon! You got to ask to see the "back room", just tell the midget at the door Moose sent ya.
:jester:
You know I'm just jealous. :)
If we see a lonely, random pound of powder around here, it's like finding sunken treasure. :( I'm so sick of defacto gun control.
If I only had a friend in a Fudd deer Hunter state that could stroll in to the ACE hardware and buy 200 lbs of (insert pet powder here) at will and then ship it to me..........
If only.
:D
I know... and that's why I emailed you those pics. Salt in the wound kinda thing. :)
I told you I'd hook you and Bama up if I made it back down there.
I guess living in "Fudd deer Hunter state" has it's upsides. More people that are into shooting at deer with shotguns than there are playing Zombie apocalypse with their ARs. :p
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Oh man Chuy's is the chingon! You got to ask to see the "back room", just tell the midget at the door Moose sent ya.
My dream is to open a gun store and call it Chuy's Gun Shack.... or something equally ridiculous. ;)
Doc Safari
06-30-14, 15:07
My dream is to open a gun store and call it Chuy's Gun Shack.... or something equally ridiculous. ;)
I can see their slogan now: "Open all night for your convenience."
... Not to mention all of the paperwork that is filled out and then changes hands multiple times.
I'm guessing that this is where the extra $25 goes. Given how beaten up my HazMat shipments have been when they arrived, they sure weren't treated any more nicely than any other package.
It's TOTAL bullshit that we can ship something like gasoline (=Coleman fuel), and it's NOT HazMat (!), but something as harmless as gunpowder in the original package is deemed too dangerous to be shipped...
Bimmer next time I head to the coast I will pm you and see if you m8ght be in need of anything available here. Or if your ever coming through redding let me know and I can let you know who has what. I also have some powders you might be interested in that I wont use unless it is all I have left like the h335 I accidentally picked up thinking it was h322. It was a dyslexic moment.
fedupflyer
07-01-14, 21:44
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It's TOTAL bullshit that we can ship something like gasoline (=Coleman fuel), and it's NOT HazMat (!), but something as harmless as gunpowder in the original package is deemed too dangerous to be shipped...
Coleman fuel (white gas) is Hazmat.
Coleman fuel (white gas) is Hazmat.
Reverse racism.
QuietShootr
07-02-14, 09:59
Never got it to group that great. It has it's following, and it will shoot good for some guys, but its Temp instability is unacceptable. Off the top of my head... the mil found that RL15 picked up like 80 fps for ONLY a 50 degree temp swing, while IMR - 4064 only picked up like 8 - 10 fps for DOUBLE the temp swing... 100 degrees!!!
And the retarded thing is... they STILL use the crap in the .308 Mk118LR ammo. The Mk 316, or whatever it's called is recognized as the MUCH better round... effectively Federal GMM 175.
This is an issue with all the RL powders. They came up with AR Comp to try to minimize this problem (as I understand it). I don't buy anything RL. It's too temp wild in AZ for that nonsense.
You ain't a kidding. RL22 is the same way. I'm working up a different magnum load with Retumbo or H1000 so I can get away from it.
Anyone need 10# of RL22? :-D
Coleman fuel (white gas) is Hazmat.
Amazon seems willing to send me a gallon, with free shipping... no mention of HazMat charges.
Bimmer next time I head to the coast I will pm you and see if you might be in need of anything available here. Or if your ever coming through redding let me know and I can let you know who has what...
That would be great! HumCo is a great place to live, but one major problem is trying to buy anything that can't easily/cheaply be shipped...
I buy ammo once a month whether my wife thinks I need it or not. Don't worry about 2016, the way O'Bummer has things set up we won't see another Imperial election for a long time! Remember FDR was elected 4 times!
I'm wondering if perhaps I might do well to load up a bunch of HP defense ammo to stock ahead for 5-10 years for myself and the wife plus extras to give to future kids turning 18 for their own defense needs, maybe package 250-500 rds w/ a Shield or G26 for each. I guess I'd want to seal them with Markron, right? Any tips on this? I have a good pile of nickel plated cases to make them indistinguishable from factory loads.
Having gobbs of Hollow point pistol makes zero sense to me. Stocking practica ammo? Ok. But if you're needing to shoot THAT much hollow point, you'd have moved to a Rifle anyway.
HP pistol ammo is the lowest priority of all to me. I have like 2 L.E. boxes of Gold dots, and a few mags loaded here and there. That's all.
Having gobbs of Hollow point pistol makes zero sense to me. Stocking practica ammo? Ok. But if you're needing to shoot THAT much hollow point, you'd have moved to a Rifle anyway.
HP pistol ammo is the lowest priority of all to me. I have like 2 L.E. boxes of Gold dots, and a few mags loaded here and there. That's all.
I still like to rotate every few months.
I don't even shoot pistol every few months. I might rotate every few years.
The only bad thing about being stocked up is when you die your closest people get it. That day comes closer every second that goes by.
Having gobbs of Hollow point pistol makes zero sense to me. Stocking practica ammo? Ok. But if you're needing to shoot THAT much hollow point, you'd have moved to a Rifle anyway.
HP pistol ammo is the lowest priority of all to me. I have like 2 L.E. boxes of Gold dots, and a few mags loaded here and there. That's all.Perhaps I should say 100-200 rds HP per person on hand and the rest practice. Yeah I too don't have that much HP around right now, but I have found that to avoid issues of setback (I carry .40 as well as 9x19), moisture from sweat, and other related ills I shoot the round out of the chamber every other time I practice with my daily carry guns. Well, multiply that times however many range trips a year and that's more than nothing, and then multiply that times multiple years then when adding in extra people then well, future demand DOES say that a couple hundred rounds to cover that makes a little more sense. (However perhaps a future scenario that would restrict supply would probably be correlated to fewer shooting opportunities as well.) But you're right, that's only a small fraction of total ammo to produce and sock away and use in regular functions today--but I'm seeing that it does matter and could be overlooked if not accounted for.
Why is it important, versus a rifle with mags full of 5.56 or .308 that's clearly harder hitting and with more reach? Because a sidearm is what you're most likely to have with you on your person when a bad scenario happens, as daily life is what happens before and up until that does. For me in the life I live now, it's what can fit in a pocket or under a shirt and/or sweater vest and a spare mag looking like a candy bar or cell phone in the pocket that's going to count for that, and I can expect the same for my future sons and daughters as a practical life thing. I can't just hit pause and conveniently adjourn any and all calamity until I am ready for it or gaze into my crystal ball and immediately know exactly which days I should either be at the range or near my safe when major historical events go down, and being this isn't Israel I can't do the IDF thing and have my AR slung on my shoulder while I go get my hair cut, pay the water bill, etc. without being like those Open Carry Texas guys. If I were old enough to have had a kid turning 18 or 21 today, I would be handing them a nice daily carry gun with some mags and holster, carry ammo for the mags plus extras to replace rounds that get rotated out, and practice ammo, for the same reasons as I do: live life undisturbed, peacefully with preparedness instead of denial. So basically I'm thinking of a time capsule for that occasion.
As for pistol shooting vs. rifle, I try to get to the range at least every other week to shoot pistol because I like it, it's the cheapest thing for me to shoot, and it's the skill I think I have the farthest to go towards improving. I couldn't in good conscience not try to work on it. And again, rifle I shoot for skill, hobby interest, socialization with other enthusiasts, hunting/pest control, and bad historical event prevention/mitigation, but that's all luxury compared to personal self and family bodyguard duty. I've shot a handful of matches so far and have become aware of how vastly far behind I am so many other people. It seems the most perishable type of shooting skill and the most temperamental, like golf which also constantly reminds me of how far behind I get and it's embarrassing to do less well at it than the person in front of me at the time.
I like to keep a good amount of high end sd ammo for both the rifle and pistol, but I figure in my life right now im more likely to use the pistol. So I keep more than markm because I like to shoot a magazine of carry ammo occasionally as a refresher.
So if I shoot a magazine, and I only have 100-150 rounds. I have expended around 10 percent of what I have. I do not stock pile crates of the stuff but I like to know if I run through a few mags its only 2-3% of what I have on hand.
Living in ca I dont get to use standard capacity mags. I have to use those under capacity mags. If the rifle ever comes out for anything other than 4 legged animals something has gone very wrong in this country.
Why is it important, versus a rifle with mags full of 5.56 or .308 that's clearly harder hitting and with more reach? Because a sidearm is what you're most likely to have with you on your person when a bad scenario happens, as daily life is what happens before and up until that does. For me in the life I live now, it's what can fit in a pocket or under a shirt and/or sweater vest and a spare mag looking like a candy bar or cell phone in the pocket that's going to count for that, and I can expect the same for my future sons and daughters as a practical life thing. I can't just hit pause and conveniently adjourn any and all calamity until I am ready for it or gaze into my crystal ball and immediately know exactly which days I should either be at the range or near my safe when major historical events go down, and being this isn't Israel I can't do the IDF thing and have my AR slung on my shoulder while I go get my hair cut, pay the water bill, etc. without being like those Open Carry Texas guys.
I understand that. My point is simply that if you're running through hundreds of rounds of hollowpoint ammo getting into shoot outs every week... the situation HAS erroded into long gun carry.
I got a notification from Midway the other day for 8#'s of Varget. Of course they were already OOS when I clicked on the link. Curious if anyone got in on it in time.
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Varget is a killer. Strangest thing ever. If I have a dime for every guy who's using Varget where there's another, BETTER option for him, I'd be damned rich.
Pappabear got an 8# and 2 1#s of XBR 8208. Varget can't be too far behind. The powders we are finding are May of 2014 production..... so it looks like there's a couple month lag to retail.
I got a notification from Midway the other day for 8#'s of Varget. Of course they were already OOS when I clicked on the link. Curious if anyone got in on it in time.
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Got the same notice, but no joy.
I understand that. My point is simply that if you're running through hundreds of rounds of hollowpoint ammo getting into shoot outs every week... the situation HAS erroded into long gun carry.Oh I quite agree, but not quite the scenario I'm foreseeing, or at least not at first. More thinking of a few decades of 15-40 weekend a year range trips each requiring at least one chamber clearing shot and occasional mag clearing to keep the pocket lint and sweat salt from degrading the quality of scum repellent. The needing multiple mags of hollow points ISN'T the every day occurrence, BUT having such supply available on top of expected use is something more than one thinks. Again, "go time" isn't likely a scenario which announces itself in advance, so I'm thinking the 50-100 rounds a year AND the SHTF supply both when said future sons and daughters may be living in an apartment or other place where suitable storage of a long gun is inconvenient and/or conspicuous. Worse, and history has examples of this, scenarios where possessions may be searched and having a long gun might mean you've got more problems to deal with, but making it a pistol means you get to hide it and keep it and survive what comes next when most are disarmed. Whatever combination of all kinds of life inconveniences is exactly the one that happens it doesn't matter: any of the many can exclude a long gun from being there for when the need arises, and that need can be brief or it can be long--and the lack of covering that need has the same result regardless of the means by which it comes about.
richiecotite
07-28-14, 11:51
it's what can fit in a pocket or under a shirt and/or sweater vest and a spare mag looking like a candy bar or cell phone in the pocket that's going to count for that,
Rick Santorum is that you?
I keed, I keed :o
Hey, Jim Tressel wore (still wears?) sweater vests and he's a badass.
shark101au
09-14-14, 13:16
I've been seeing more and more rifle powders on the shelf at Cabelas, plenty of Varget/8208/4064 and 3031. They do charge $29.99/lb which may be why they are always on the shelf, but for the past year they basically had nothing. Still no pistol powders though.
I've been seeing more and more rifle powders on the shelf at Cabelas, plenty of Varget/8208/4064 and 3031. They do charge $29.99/lb which may be why they are always on the shelf, but for the past year they basically had nothing. Still no pistol powders though.
Powders have been available here for awhile. Various types. Also at about $26 to $29 a pound and they aren't staying on the shelf for too long. Seems to be what is becoming the going rate for powder here in central Pennsylvania.
SeriousStudent
09-14-14, 19:53
Cabela's here had six of the 8-pound jugs of Varget. It vanished in about 15 seconds when the store opened. They had about 20 of the one-pound cans of IMR 4895.
They have had primers sitting on the shelf for almost two months.
Things are definitely getting better. When I can order an 8-pound can of Bullseye or Ramshot Tac, I'll know the drought is over.
Cabela's here had six of the 8-pound jugs of Varget. It vanished in about 15 seconds when the store opened.
The Varget thing is a trip. I bet 75% of the people using don't know why they are using it, and would be better off using something else.
SeriousStudent
09-15-14, 21:51
The Varget thing is a trip. I bet 75% of the people using don't know why they are using it, and would be better off using something else.
Understood. The IMR 4895 was a welcome sight, and there's plenty of load data available for me to use. I'm approaching a comfortable level for primers. But I'd love to get a few nice big jugs from Graf & Sons or Powder Valley stashed away so I can do some .308 load development this winter.
Texas or Arizona summers can turn a fun range trip into a chore.
shark101au
09-15-14, 23:24
Understood. The IMR 4895 was a welcome sight, and there's plenty of load data available for me to use. I'm approaching a comfortable level for primers. But I'd love to get a few nice big jugs from Graf & Sons or Powder Valley stashed away so I can do some .308 load development this winter.
Texas or Arizona summers can turn a fun range trip into a chore.
You should check PV, they got a ton of stuff in today, a lot has gone but you may fund something you want.
Primers seem to be in abundance now. I regularly buy off GB from KYMP - 5000 primers WLR/WSR/WSP for about $140 shipped.
SeriousStudent
09-15-14, 23:36
Some friends will be making their annual pilgrimage to Powder Valley later this fall. They intend to grab all sorts of goodies while there, including a few jugs for me. They have a shopping list in descending priority order, along with a bag of sheckels.
And I live within walking distance of a Cabela's. They send me coupons, and have sales on primers periodically now (no lie). So I grab 5000 when they do. The prices are higher than mail order, but no HazMat. So it evens out when they are on sale.
Based on reports here, I am interested in using someWolf primers for load development on a precision 5.56 AR rig. Hunting down some Lapua brass for that now.
Should be an enjoyable fall. :)
shark101au
09-15-14, 23:52
Some friends will be making their annual pilgrimage to Powder Valley later this fall. They intend to grab all sorts of goodies while there, including a few jugs for me. They have a shopping list in descending priority order, along with a bag of sheckels.
And I live within walking distance of a Cabela's. They send me coupons, and have sales on primers periodically now (no lie). So I grab 5000 when they do. The prices are higher than mail order, but no HazMat. So it evens out when they are on sale.
Based on reports here, I am interested in using someWolf primers for load development on a precision 5.56 AR rig. Hunting down some Lapua brass for that now.
Should be an enjoyable fall. :)
I hope your friends have good timing, seems as soon as PV gets powder in, it's gone within a few hours. I live 3 hours away, but have never made the trip down there and always buy online from them, otherwise I'll miss out. My last haul was 24lbs of TAC, 16lbs of 4064 and 6000 CCI #41 primers, should keep me going for the next few months.
Last I was in Cabelas their primers were over $40+tax, I'm able to get them from GB for less than $30 including delivery (Winchester primers).
Based on reports here, I am interested in using someWolf primers for load development on a precision 5.56 AR rig. Hunting down some Lapua brass for that now.
No need for Lapua Brass in my experience. Maybe if I was going to compete at Camp Perry, I'd spring for it. We have a few hundred pieces, but I never load it since it didn't upgrade the ammo's performance over loose packed 7.62 can, mixed brass OTMs.
The Russian primers are difference makers though.
No need for Lapua Brass in my experience. Maybe if I was going to compete at Camp Perry, I'd spring for it. We have a few hundred pieces, but I never load it since it didn't upgrade the ammo's performance over loose packed 7.62 can, mixed brass OTMs.
The Russian primers are difference makers though.
The Lapua brass that I have been using is on it's last leg, but it still has consistent neck tension when seating bullets. And I'm on load 8 or so on the same brass with no annealing. This stuff is the t!ts!
I can't say the same for any other brand I've tried (LC, PMC, FC, etc.)
There's no doubt Lapua makes good brass. I'm just saying it didn't seem to be needed to achieve good results in my process.
I can only speculate the the light crimp I run keeps neck tension reasonably consistent because I know I mix some once fired with multiple fired brass.
SeriousStudent
09-16-14, 21:58
I hope your friends have good timing, seems as soon as PV gets powder in, it's gone within a few hours. I live 3 hours away, but have never made the trip down there and always buy online from them, otherwise I'll miss out. My last haul was 24lbs of TAC, 16lbs of 4064 and 6000 CCI #41 primers, should keep me going for the next few months.
Last I was in Cabelas their primers were over $40+tax, I'm able to get them from GB for less than $30 including delivery (Winchester primers).
Nice haul on the powder.
The last batch of CCI small pistol primers I got at Cabela's were $26/1000 on sale with the coupon I had, so I picked up 5000. They do a lot of local mail flyers with coupons here near the store. I'm also known to wander in and look at the used gun racks o nthe way home from work. I've snagged some very good deals that way. Maybe 1 out of every 200 long guns I look at. But it happens often enough to make it worth while.
A Winchester Model 70 in .223 with a Leupold 3x9 for $200 cash out the door. A Winchester Model 12 shotgun for $300 out the door. It's worth keeping a few Benjamin's in your wallet for cash deals.
SeriousStudent
09-16-14, 22:01
No need for Lapua Brass in my experience. Maybe if I was going to compete at Camp Perry, I'd spring for it. We have a few hundred pieces, but I never load it since it didn't upgrade the ammo's performance over loose packed 7.62 can, mixed brass OTMs.
The Russian primers are difference makers though.
It's honestly more of an experiment than anything else. It seems like it's only about $10 more a box. I'd like to grab 200 or so cases to play with. I'm going to stuff them with those 175-grain SMK's for the .308, and the 77-grain SMK's for the .223.
If you were looking for some virgin factory brass, what would you try instead?
Ouroborous
09-16-14, 22:11
This thread has reminded me to round out my supply with a few odds and ends.
Will be looking to get some different pistol powders to try out for .45 and 9mm since I've only really used AA No.5 for both.
Wouldn't mind a few 8#'ers of 8208xbr and some more TAC.
Never did forgive myself for only picking up a pound ea. from grafs the week before sandy hook--been impossible to find ever since.
As far as being ready for another shortage, I don't think it's possible.
Since you can never really have enough ammo, you can never really have enough reloading supplies.
I'll be content when I can ride out a decade without having to re-supply:)
vicious_cb
09-16-14, 22:27
Having gobbs of Hollow point pistol makes zero sense to me. Stocking practica ammo? Ok. But if you're needing to shoot THAT much hollow point, you'd have moved to a Rifle anyway.
HP pistol ammo is the lowest priority of all to me. I have like 2 L.E. boxes of Gold dots, and a few mags loaded here and there. That's all.
The problem Ive found is that my favorite defensive loads only come in stock maybe every 6 months and it sells out fast. I like to keep about 1k on hand for rotating out chambered rounds and zero verification.
If you were looking for some virgin factory brass, what would you try instead?
Lapua is the only virgin brass I've tried. I really wouldn't buy brass other than Lapua in .223. Most common once fired brass works so well that I don't buy new stuff.
When I'm loading defense ammo, I pull apart some LC with crimped/sealed primers and use that.
SeriousStudent
09-17-14, 21:03
Cool, much appreciated.
Pappabear keeps begging me to load up the Lapua brass. (he bought it) But my inner squirrel keeps telling me to save it for something special. ;)
Ouroborous
09-22-14, 20:29
How many of you guys inventory to the point that you have roughly an equal ratio of components?
After doing some inventory on my stash, I realized I'm coming up pretty short on pistol bullets.
It doesn't make sense to have more primers and powder without the bullets to match—gonna concentrate on getting an equal ratio of bullets to primers and powder before I grab anything else.
How many of you guys inventory to the point that you have roughly an equal ratio of components?
Not me... It's all herky-jerky, because I usually buy primers 5,000 or 10,000 at a time, but never more than several thousand pistol bullets.
To start rifle, I bought Hornady 55gr in bulk (6,000), but I bought 10,000 primers and 24lbs of powder (enough for 7,000 rounds?). So, they're roughly proportional, but I fully expect to run out of projectiles first...
buckpatriot
09-24-14, 00:16
I wish I had some of the extra cash lying around to buy a couple thousand rounds at a clip like a lot of you guys, but I don't. I used buy mostly practice ammo when prices were high, so I could do my best to "stockpile". Now that prices are down quite a bit, I am focusing on defensive rounds at online sites that are reasonable to build a surplus, and have just enough practice ammo to keep proficient. It seems to be working. I hope to be better prepared for the next BS crisis.
Slow and steady is my method.
I wish I had some of the extra cash lying around to buy a couple thousand rounds at a clip like a lot of you guys, but I don't...
I don't have much extra cash laying around. I simply cannot stomach buying ammo at retail prices, so I buy in bulk...
Ouroborous
09-24-14, 22:53
I wish I had some of the extra cash lying around to buy a couple thousand rounds at a clip like a lot of you guys, but I don't. I used buy mostly practice ammo when prices were high, so I could do my best to "stockpile". Now that prices are down quite a bit, I am focusing on defensive rounds at online sites that are reasonable to build a surplus, and have just enough practice ammo to keep proficient. It seems to be working. I hope to be better prepared for the next BS crisis.
Slow and steady is my method.
I got into reloading as a poor college student. At the time, for the cost of a case of ammo, I could load twice or even 3 times as much of the same caliber.
If you're having a hard time stocking up on your budget, then rolling your own would definitely get you there faster.
shark101au
09-24-14, 23:14
I got into reloading as a poor college student. At the time, for the cost of a case of ammo, I could load twice or even 3 times as much of the same caliber.
If you're having a hard time stocking up on your budget, then rolling your own would definitely get you there faster.
I can reload M193 rounds for about 26 cents a round and that includes paying 10 cents for fully processed brass. So if I reload my spent brass it would be 16 cents around vs 40 cents a round retail.
Its been pretty available for 30 cents a round for several weeks now...
I got into reloading as a poor college student...
+1
I started buying in bulk and reloading because I couldn't afford to pay retail, not because I had extra cash lying around.
Blue Thunder
09-29-14, 16:12
I still have lead, brass, and primers from the mid 90's when I was an RO at State and Area matches, plus what I bought at the Gun Store I worked in part time. The last quantity buys I have made were the summer of 2008 and it was all social ammo. I already had a large stock of primers and powder bought in 2006-2007. I date the cannisters and primers with a sharpie as to when they were bought. All of it is in conditioned storage while my retirement villa is being built with a 15x25 room for reloading and radio's. Then I will be back in business. Right now I have about 2K of 9, 40, 45 reloads to shoot till then. All my stuff has always been pampered when stored. I even have some 38Spl Wadcutters that I loaded in the mid 70's with a Lee Whack-a-mole press that still go bang. I do not see buying anything component wise for the next 10 years, unless the bottom falls out of the pricing of components.
I do not see buying anything component wise for the next 10 years, unless the bottom falls out of the pricing of components...
I'm not in a hurry, either, but Brownells has Wolf primers for $20-22/1,000 (dealer pricing, quantity discount), and $50 off orders of $300 or more.
I'm not sure if that counts as "the bottom falling out," but I couldn't resist...
waveslayer
09-29-14, 17:31
Have you guys seen 1680 anywhere
Just saw 1680 at sportsmens warehouse. I was trying to get another 2 pounds of h322. Limit is one pound per powder per person. Of course the h322 was gone, but they had 1680 which I have no use for.
I was just happy to get another couple pounds of h322. Its the only powder I have less than 5 pounds of that I use regularly. I have some oddball powders I bought single pounds of to try, but h322 is the only powder I wish I had more of.
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