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Is it customary when hanging the upper kitchen cabinets to connect them all together and mount to the wall as one unit or should the be attached to the wall individually?
Day 3 of our kitchen renovation project has our doubting our contractors craftsmanship.
montanadave
06-19-14, 19:10
Individually.
SilverBullet432
06-19-14, 19:19
My dads been a cabinet maker for 27 years, me for 10. Individually. Check your to make sure roof and wall square and level.
A quick pic of our woodwork:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30nhq4n.jpg
The cabinets themselves aren't straight on the bottom edge. Among several other issues.
SilverBullet432
06-19-14, 19:40
Level one, then screw the others to the sides of it. We do that without issue. If you level all of your cabinets and you notice a nasty slant on your roof line. Your roof is most likely off. The level does not lie.
My dads been a cabinet maker for 27 years, me for 10. Individually. Check your to make sure roof and wall square and level.
A quick pic of our woodwork:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30nhq4n.jpgNice work! I'm not much of a wood man (machinist), but that's some good work.
SilverBullet432
06-19-14, 20:48
Nice work! I'm not much of a wood man (machinist), but that's some good work.
Thanks! I've always been fascinated with machine work too. Lathes mills CNCs too (i know autoCAD and Inventor). Sadly I don't know how to run them lol.
SeriousStudent
06-19-14, 21:00
Agreed - I really enjoy looking at good craftsmanship. My uncle was a cabinet maker for many years after he left the Army. It was a pleasure to watch him work in his shop.
Whiskey_Bravo
06-19-14, 22:45
We always did them individually, it's the only way I know of to make sure they are all straight and level. Start with one cabinet and make sure it is 100% true and work off of that one and check as you go. Use shims were needed. I can't say I have ever seen anyone put an entire section of upper cabinets up at once before.
We always did them individually, it's the only way I know of to make sure they are all straight and level. Start with one cabinet and make sure it is 100% true and work off of that one and check as you go. Use shims were needed. I can't say I have ever seen anyone put an entire section of upper cabinets up at once before.I wanna say they do that in pre-fab/mobile homes, might be wrong tho.
SilverBullet432
06-19-14, 23:25
pre-fab.
Those are for chumps! :cool: J/K Factory made stuff, its mostly veenered particle board. They often put them in at once since they are in smaller sections and they add strips of moulding and such as they go.
My dads been a cabinet maker for 27 years, me for 10. Individually. Check your to make sure roof and wall square and level.
A quick pic of our woodwork:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30nhq4n.jpg
What keeps the dishes from sliding off the counters?
gunrunner505
06-20-14, 04:17
My dads been a cabinet maker for 27 years, me for 10. Individually. Check your to make sure roof and wall square and level.
A quick pic of our woodwork:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30nhq4n.jpg
That's a real nice water bottle.
Cabinets are beautiful. Very nice work.
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skijunkie55
06-20-14, 06:19
My dads been a cabinet maker for 27 years, me for 10. Individually. Check your to make sure roof and wall square and level.
A quick pic of our woodwork:
http://i59.tinypic.com/30nhq4n.jpg
This. A Level and shims are your best friend when hanging cabinets, especially if the walls are not plumb!
^^^ Great looking stuff right there!
Now for a show off your woodwork thread!
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31.0-8/1074149_157850731071161_2020546956_o.jpg
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/l/t31.0-8/1014491_151386691717565_1746585194_o.jpg
I have been thinking about this as well.... while on the subject..... I have seen on TV the guys nail a horizontal strip and level it. then sit the cabinets on that and secure them to wall and each other, then remove level strip. I think that must be what happened to OP as his bottoms are not even.... sounds like they just ran them to the ceiling and not bottom level.
... and that's my question....
I want to put some cabs in a laundry room and they will go to ceiling. If my ceiling is not perfectly square, how do you handle that? I can't remember where I saw the video but I know they talked about side wall and ceiling being off. I'm sure they shimmed the side wall,,,, and I think they used crown molding up top but I can't for the life of me remember how they eliminated that visual and kept the cabinets level but not seeing the slightly off ceiling and wall...... which it doesn't take much for the average person to notice.
@skijunkie55 ---- nice ceiling!
No, they drew a level line on the wall, bolted the cabinets together on the floor (the tops are apparently level - we're doing crown molding to take the cabinets all the way to the ceiling) and then hung them as on big ass unit. Of course they put them down on the dirty as crap sub flooring which dented and knocked up the cabinets and chipped the top corner.
I called the company owner who said he'd try to come by first thing but he didn't. The on site boss has been bouncing between job sites leaving the workers to spend time streaming the World Cup on their phones then rushing to get something den by the end of the day.
Don't get me started on the butchering of the HVAC system these guys did. They've been here three days and the re-do's they have to do put us a week behind already.
I want to put some cabs in a laundry room and they will go to ceiling. If my ceiling is not perfectly square, how do you handle that? I can't remember where I saw the video but I know they talked about side wall and ceiling being off. I'm sure they shimmed the side wall,,,, and I think they used crown molding up top but I can't for the life of me remember how they eliminated that visual and kept the cabinets level but not seeing the slightly off ceiling and wall...... which it doesn't take much for the average person to notice.
I would set them off the ceiling ever so slightly and either dont worry about the small gap(im talking 1/4") or use some molding like some 1/4 round or something to take up the gap. I have used the level line on the wall(you have to pick a point to start with) and a ledger board to put cabinets on to aid in hanging them, I dont think there is anything wrong with that personally. Got to have the bottom level, the top you can work with.
skijunkie55
06-20-14, 10:22
I want to put some cabs in a laundry room and they will go to ceiling. If my ceiling is not perfectly square, how do you handle that? I can't remember where I saw the video but I know they talked about side wall and ceiling being off. I'm sure they shimmed the side wall,,,, and I think they used crown molding up top but I can't for the life of me remember how they eliminated that visual and kept the cabinets level but not seeing the slightly off ceiling and wall...... which it doesn't take much for the average person to notice.
Copy Paste from our "Installation Guide" that we send with cabinetry when our own crew doesn't do it.
The base cabinets and tall cabinets typically set the standard for the rest of the installation since they serve as the level foundation for the rest of the cabinetry. Before installation, these cases should be lined up and connected to one another. Some pullouts at the top and bottoms of cases will need to be removed to access the back panels before installation. First, the cabinets should be clamped together for perfect alignment and then connected through the sides by screws. These screws can often be hidden in inconspicuous places such as right below the countertop or beneath pullouts. This method is far more precise than attaching components to the wall separately, one after another.
Once the base cabinets are lined up and connected, your contractor will be able to tell what kind of "shimming" may be needed on the walls and floor. If your floors or walls are at all ‘wavy,’ as is the case in many older homes, shimming will be necessary. The base cabinets are typically provided with a sub toe kick that is intended to be shimmed off the floor by a ¼”. Please don’t skip this important step. Verify the toe kick dimension on the plan and start your shimming with that number in mind. This built in ¼” gap saves you valuable time during install by eliminating the need to scribe each cabinet to the floor. The decorative toe kick or furniture base will later be applied to cover this ¼” gap.
SilverBullet432
06-20-14, 10:30
I have been thinking about this as well.... while on the subject..... I have seen on TV the guys nail a horizontal strip and level it. then sit the cabinets on that and secure them to wall and each other, then remove level strip. I think that must be what happened to OP as his bottoms are not even.... sounds like they just ran them to the ceiling and not bottom level.
... and that's my question....
I want to put some cabs in a laundry room and they will go to ceiling. If my ceiling is not perfectly square, how do you handle that? I can't remember where I saw the video but I know they talked about side wall and ceiling being off. I'm sure they shimmed the side wall,,,, and I think they used crown molding up top but I can't for the life of me remember how they eliminated that visual and kept the cabinets level but not seeing the slightly off ceiling and wall...... which it doesn't take much for the average person to notice.
@skijunkie55 ---- nice ceiling!
We put them 2.5" from the roof as we install a 4.25" crown moulding. If the roofs bad, we work the crown around for the best look.
7.62WildBill
06-20-14, 20:02
Beautiful work SilverBullet.
I can't help sharing some of my cabinetry work.
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/wildwoodbill000/57galley_zps26436b42.jpg (http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/wildwoodbill000/media/57galley_zps26436b42.jpg.html)
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/wildwoodbill000/57galley3_zpsf4fbaece.jpg (http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/wildwoodbill000/media/57galley3_zpsf4fbaece.jpg.html)
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s488/wildwoodbill000/57Salon_zps83266c68.jpg (http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/wildwoodbill000/media/57Salon_zps83266c68.jpg.html)
SeriousStudent
06-20-14, 21:00
I think your living room is a bit too close to the creek. The water is already in your backyard.
:cool:
I have been thinking about this as well.... while on the subject..... I have seen on TV the guys nail a horizontal strip and level it. then sit the cabinets on that and secure them to wall and each other, then remove level strip. I think that must be what happened to OP as his bottoms are not even.... sounds like they just ran them to the ceiling and not bottom level.
... and that's my question....
I want to put some cabs in a laundry room and they will go to ceiling. If my ceiling is not perfectly square, how do you handle that? I can't remember where I saw the video but I know they talked about side wall and ceiling being off. I'm sure they shimmed the side wall,,,, and I think they used crown molding up top but I can't for the life of me remember how they eliminated that visual and kept the cabinets level but not seeing the slightly off ceiling and wall...... which it doesn't take much for the average person to notice.
@skijunkie55 ---- nice ceiling!
Find the lowest point in your ceiling and hang your first cabinet there. Work off that one and cover the top gap by running molding of your choice against the ceiling. Don't get the molding too close to the top of the cabinet doors of you'll see the run out just like you see a gap on the cabinets. A bit of space will let things "blend" and the eye won't catch it as easily.
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