Army looking at compact sniper rifle

[Grand58742]

http://kitup.military.com/2014/06/army-buy-compact-semi-auto-sniper.html


The U.S. Army has invited gun makers compete for the chance to build a compact version of the service’s M110 Semi Automatic Sniper System.

The service released a formal request for proposal which could lead to a contract award of $44.5 million to buy about 3,600 Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper Systems, or CSASS. Gun makers have until Oct. 10 to submit proposals.

And the FBO solicitation:

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=7474a989b4929cfe52783861999d051a&_cview=0

For anyone in the know, is this going to replace or supplement the M110?

[1_click_off]

That is a killer deal of $12,222.22 per unit.

Sorry $12,361.11, was using just 44 million on the first figure.

[SilverBullet432]

That is a killer deal of $12,222.22 per unit.

Sorry $12,361.11, was using just 44 million on the first figure.

there was one m110 sassy pants for sale for 28k on gunsmurica'

[chuckman]

When I read the title this is what came to mind:

http://www.nemesisarms.com/nemesis_arms_products.html

[AKDoug]

When I read the title this is what came to mind:

http://www.nemesisarms.com/nemesis_arms_products.html
3# too heavy...

[GTF425]

Why don't we just retrofit our M110s with collapsing stocks and change the upper? The only thing is the existing M110 cans will likely be impossible to retrofit to a shorter barrel/gas block combo and we'd probably have to drop the coin for new cans. But, put the money saved towards better glass and PVS-24s.

I'm sure I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I don't see why this should cost so much money when a solution could be that easy.

[ClearedHot]

The Mk20 SCAR would give the M110 a run for its money.

[chuckman]

3# too heavy...

I was being a little tongue-in-cheek, which never comes across online. This was the rifle Jason Bourne used in the last Bourne movie.

[AKDoug]

Copy :D Didn't see the movie.

[Doc. Holiday]

Dang, I first thought of the DTA (Now Desert Tech) SRS system, but then I reread and saw SEMI-AUTO....fuh...

[Grand58742]

Dang, I first thought of the DTA (Now Desert Tech) SRS system, but then I reread and saw SEMI-AUTO....fuh...

I was thinking of the same thing. But it would end up failing the LOP requirement as well.

And maybe the AWC G2 system, but again, no LOP. That's always been a fascinating weapon to me that I've never gotten to see in person.

[TAZ]

LOL!! 44 million for 3600 16" uppers, collapsible stocks and some new cans. Who can say OINK OINK OINK.

[Doc. Holiday]

I was thinking of the same thing. But it would end up failing the LOP requirement as well.

And maybe the AWC G2 system, but again, no LOP. That's always been a fascinating weapon to me that I've never gotten to see in person.

LOP? Sorry not familiar with that one

[Grand58742]

LOP? Sorry not familiar with that one

Length of Pull (adjustable stock)

[Doc. Holiday]

Oh ok, gotcha. I didn't know that there were LOP requirements. That totally blows! That system is super compact and the term accurate doesn't even come close to describing that system.

So with that being said, are they pretty much limited to AR platforms and the what is it....XM2010 chasis?

[Grand58742]

So with that being said, are they pretty much limited to AR platforms and the what is it....XM2010 chasis?

XM2010 is a bolt action.

So an AR pattern rifle. SCAR as well maybe. Piston ARs like the LMT and H&K if you count them as separate.

[Doc. Holiday]

Duh....wow. I'm not paying attention today. Yea it is a bolt action...

I know the SF have been using the SCAR H for awhile. Doesn't the Brits use the LMTs? Wonder if we would look at those.

[TAZ]

I'm thinking Knights SR25E2 with a hefty USGI mark up.

[trinydex]

That is a killer deal of $12,222.22 per unit.

Sorry $12,361.11, was using just 44 million on the first figure.

is that really that expensive considering that it includes optics, secondary optics, service contact, everything as a complete system? yeah you can piece together your own stuff when you're just dealing with you. how often have you bought twice cried twice? or even more than twice?

[1_click_off]

is that really that expensive considering that it includes optics, secondary optics, service contact, everything as a complete system? yeah you can piece together your own stuff when you're just dealing with you. how often have you bought twice cried twice? or even more than twice?

I guess if I am spending your money, then no. If I am spending other's hard earned money I would get a service contract for "just incase" also. Most service contracts are just a way to justify a higher price for something not worth the cost. It should come with a warranty and training for how to properly maintain it. I just expect the unit number to be higher for that kind of money. I guess the M110 ,as nice as it is, must be the government crying once.

I don't typically cry, I do alot of reserch before I make a purchase and am pretty satisfied with what I end up with. Sure I have had a few impulse buys, but if it is a major or important purchase I will spend hours investigating all I can to make an informed decision.

[trinydex]

I guess if I am spending your money, then no. If I am spending other's hard earned money I would get a service contract for "just incase" also. Most service contracts are just a way to justify a higher price for something not worth the cost. It should come with a warranty and training for how to properly maintain it. I just expect the unit number to be higher for that kind of money. I guess the M110 ,as nice as it is, must be the government crying once.

I don't typically cry, I do alot of reserch before I make a purchase and am pretty satisfied with what I end up with. Sure I have had a few impulse buys, but if it is a major or important purchase I will spend hours investigating all I can to make an informed decision.

here's a simple solution then. why don't you make a company that makes a complete compact repeating sniper rifle system including optics and secondary optics and mounts and magazines and a box to lug it all around in. then you can charge half of what the awarded contract holder does, win the contract with superior equipment and service so that our best and brightest get the best and knock-down-drag-out-best equipment under the sun and then you service it until the sun blows up, all at half the price. everyone wins!

but something makes me think that once you get to the level where you can repeatedly produce thousands of the best of the best equipment, deliver it on time, on spec, and service it until the sun blows up, while paying hard working americans, while paying taxes and giving back to your employees... the price will creep up just a little.

just a hunch.

[1_click_off]

here's a simple solution then. why don't you make a company that makes a complete compact repeating sniper rifle system including optics and secondary optics and mounts and magazines and a box to lug it all around in. then you can charge half of what the awarded contract holder does, win the contract with superior equipment and service so that our best and brightest get the best and knock-down-drag-out-best equipment under the sun and then you service it until the sun blows up, all at half the price. everyone wins!

but something makes me think that once you get to the level where you can repeatedly produce thousands of the best of the best equipment, deliver it on time, on spec, and service it until the sun blows up, while paying hard working americans, while paying taxes and giving back to your employees... the price will creep up just a little.

just a hunch.

Yep, sure nuff.

[Mr blasty]

Didn't KAC recommend all these changes on current rifles originally? I could have sworn at no real cost upgrade as well.

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[Failure2Stop]

The numbers quoted in the article are almost, but not quite completely, totally incorrect, and definitely misleading (either by intent or ignorance).

Further, yes, it is a life-cycle contract, and full ancillary item list, all with their own separate list of strict requirements.

My sig-line makes it clear where I work, so I cannot speak about this much further, I just wanted to drop in and point out that the full solicitation and MIL-PRF need to be read (with the assistance of a gov contract specialist) to have an idea of what is actually being asked.

[Doc. Holiday]

The numbers quoted in the article are almost, but not quite completely, totally incorrect, and definitely misleading (either by intent or ignorance).

Further, yes, it is a life-cycle contract, and full ancillary item list, all with their own separate list of strict requirements.

My sig-line makes it clear where I work, so I cannot speak about this much further, I just wanted to drop in and point out that the full solicitation and MIL-PRF need to be read (with the assistance of a gov contract specialist) to have an idea of what is actually being asked.

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