Anyone have thoughts on this? (Desert Tactical Bullpup)

[No.6]

http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/news

[Hwikek]

Here are some earlier threads but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of buzz for this weapon or at least people aren't vocal about it.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?154223-Re-the-Desert-Tech-MDR-thread

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?154144-Which-caliber-do-you-want-your-Desert-Tech-MDR-chambered-in

[MorphCross]

http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/news
Until there are rifles in the hands of users, all we can do is assess based on the claims from the manufacturer. The big eyebrow raiser for me was the claimed weight of the 16" barrel .308 model. 7.5 pounds is an insane over promise from any rifle manufacturer.

[1911-A1]

I'm pretty interested in the 10.5" 5.56mm version. The .308 doesn't seem like fun unless it's suppressed. A compensated .308 going off that close to my face doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

[thei3ug]

It's a year or more out from store shelves, it's going to be some time before enough people touch them to have a consensus.
There's just not much buzz to have.

[Aries144]

ghjkl

[lj_1187]

I like what I see in the vids enough to pre order one and try it out. That company has a solid rep for making nice rifles. Can't wait for the release!

[MorphCross]

*snip* as this rifle addresses the issues that hampered my interest in the Tavor: suppressor use and mag release location.

Did I miss the functioning demonstration that showed one of theses Desert Tac Bull pups utilizing a sound suppressor? Unless Desert Tactical arms has figured out a way to reroute back-pressure from the sound suppressor it will still foul the inside of the rifle.

The Tavor's mag release location isn't as troubling to me as the bolt lock back is.

Let's reserve fanatical product love until after the product is in the hands of honest YouTube, forum, and Blog reviewers.

[sinlessorrow]

Looks like a very complicated ejector system they have in place.
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/usa/1397508973.jpg

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer simple systems and this just looks overly complicated. Not to mention having to clear a stoppage in that thing.

[Aries144]

ghjkl

[Aries144]

ghjkl

[MorphCross]

No product love, no fanaticism. The desert tech as displayed at SHOT had gas adjustment and settings for suppressed use. Those who actually use suppressors on non AR rifles may notice issues having nothing to do with fouling, like bolt-over malfunctions due to increased carrier velocity. Reducing the volume of gas running the system is the best way to fix this. As of right now, there are no factory or aftermarket options to do this with the Tavor, which unsurprisingly has displayed bolt-over malfunctions when run with 5.56 suppressors.

The gas blow-back was the more common issue that was shared among all suppressor manufacturers. From my own searches I had only come across one person who had extensive cycling issues with his Tavor, and it may have been compounded by how dirty the inside the blow-back made his Tavor.

All this being said, I am a realist when it comes to the Tavor's design shortcomings. I never realized how tiny the locking lugs on the Tavor bolt were, especially when compared against the lugs on the notorious M-16/AR-15. The trigger is definitely a problem, however I have heard reports of trigger packs "wearing in" and lightening up to a more bearable level.

On the suppressor issue for the Desert Tac Pup, if they take the time to test out a variety of common suppressors and strike a balance of functionality and reliability it could be pretty successful, but until OSS proves their concept for capturing blowback gasses in their suppressor fitting there will be blow back into the action.

[Aries144]

ghjkl

[MorphCross]

I'm not saying that those aren't issues, they are and in many weapons besides the Tavor. The release valve on the Desert Tac pup may be as well designed as the one on the Scar 16/17 and that will help mitigate the blow back while keeping unnatural sounds (besides the supersonic crack and the action cycling) to a minimum, however that would be an affect of a lot of suppressor testing to strike a balance among a variety of common devices. Again, until this rifle is out in the wild, we don't have any clue how it will perform with suppressors beyond the hope that the valve will make it a better performer.

The only company I'm aware of that creating and active feature to trap the Blow back in the suppressor is OSS.

[sinlessorrow]

Yikes. I've never seen a close up with the ejection port cover open. At a glance, the little pin and coil springs don't inspire confidence.

Not to mention I can forsee a very hard stoppage to clear if that thing has a FTE, or it loses the case before the ejector and it gets lodged between the ejector and the upper, and then the carrier tries to feed another round. Actually with that design you are literally just mm from a double feed if anything bad happens in even the most slight way, give that the bolt is what pushes the round out of the little ejection tube(probably while also beginning to feed a round.

Again a super complicated ejector system does not instill confidence imo.