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Russian Bombers Fly Within 50 Miles of California Coast
U.S. F-22, F-15 jets intercept four Bear H bombers near Alaska, Northern California (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russian-bombers-fly-within-50-miles-of-california-coast/)
June 11, 2014 7:15 pm
Four Russian strategic bombers triggered U.S. air defense systems while conducting practice bombing runs near Alaska this week, with two of the Tu-95 Bear H aircraft coming within 50 miles of the California coast, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (Norad) confirmed Wednesday.
Davis said the latest Bear H incursions began Monday around 4:30 p.m. Pacific time when radar detected the four turbo-prop powered bombers approaching the U.S. air defense zone near the far western Aleutian Islands.
Two U.S. Air Force F-22 jets were scrambled and intercepted the bombers over the Aleutians.
After tracking the bombers as they flew eastward, two of the four Bears turned around and headed west toward the Russian Far East. The bombers are believed to be based at the Russian strategic base near Anadyr, Russia.
The remaining two nuclear-capable bombers then flew southeast and around 9:30 P.M. entered the U.S. northern air defense zone off the coast of Northern California.
Two U.S. F-15 jets were deployed and intercepted the bombers as they eventually flew within 50 miles of the coast before turning around and heading west.
A defense official said the four bombers also were supported by two IL-78 aerial refueling tankers that were used for mid-air refueling during the operation this week.
The Tu-95 is a long-range strike aircraft capable of carrying nuclear cruise missiles. Other versions are equipped with intelligence-gathering sensors and electronic warfare gear. It has a range of around 9,400 miles without refueling.
Davis said the aircraft “acted professionally” and the bombers appeared to be conducting a training mission.
“They typically do long range aviation training in the summer and it is not unusual for them to be more active during this time,” he said. “We assess this was part of training. And they did not enter territorial airspace.”
The bomber incursion is the latest Russian nuclear saber-rattling amid stepped up tensions over Moscow’s military annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea.
Rep. Mike Conaway (R., Texas), a member of the House Armed Services Committee, called the Russian flights “intentional provocations.”
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, a former Alaska commander for the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said he does not remember a case of Russian strategic bombers coming that close to the U.S. coast.
“Again we see the Obama administration through their covert—but overt to Mr. Putin—unilateral disarmament, inviting adventurism by the Russians,” McInerney said in an email.
“At the height of the Cold War I do not remember them getting this close. Mr. Putin had to approve this mission and he is just showing his personal contempt for President Obama right after meeting him in Normandy less than a week ago,” McInerney said.
McInerney said no American president has been treated with such disrespect in U.S. history.
Moose-Knuckle
07-18-14, 01:32
I remember reading about that last month.
And let's not forget about this from 2012 . . .
Russian Attack Submarine Sailed in Gulf of Mexico Undetected for Weeks
http://nation.foxnews.com/russia/2012/08/14/russian-attack-submarine-sailed-gulf-mexico-undetected-weeks
Whiskey_Bravo
07-18-14, 08:02
Russian nuclear capable bomber flies 50 miles off the coast of California... bahhh no big deal. Just training, nothing to see here, move along.
montanadave
07-18-14, 08:26
It's California, lads. I'd expect more enthusiasm from a lot of members.
I don't think there's going to be much enthusiasm because its been going on since the 50's.
Spurholder
07-18-14, 08:56
Some of you guys may not know that Russian reconnaissance planes legally fly over the continental US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Open_Skies
Unlike the TU-95's mentioned by Steyr, those flights are planned in advance, however.
It really isn't a big deal. This shit has been happening for 50 years.
WickedWillis
07-18-14, 12:15
It really isn't a big deal. This shit has been happening for 50 years.
Nuclear capable bombers coming within 50 miles of American soil flown by pilots from a country we aren't friendly with right now is a big deal.
Hussein should definitely go play GOLF in response to this one. Our president is a Tier 1 JOKE!
complacency, o it is just a training exercise until that nuclear capable bomber does not turn around.
“At the height of the Cold War I do not remember them getting this close. Mr. Putin had to approve this mission and he is just showing his personal contempt for President Obama right after meeting him in Normandy less than a week ago,” McInerney said.
McInerney said no American president has been treated with such disrespect in U.S. history.
In order to be respected, you have to be respectable. Lying, cowardice, lack of conviction, and no moral character along with the failure to follow through with stated policy ("Red Lines" anyone?) do not garner respect from anyone. Putin isn't a lazy Obamavoter lined up for free stuff, so these traits aren't endearing qualities. Perhaps this is fine at ACORN, but certainly not for Commander in Chief.
Exactly. Hussein is a Joke, and every evil nutbag leader of every whacko nation is emboldened by his pathetic weakness.
Posturing. Like the first version of the Cold War, let them posture. The whole "save face-need respect" thing is very big in the Russian culture. They have been doing this for years, off and on.
Putin is potentially dangerous. But he's a petulant, petty, grossly self-important little shit of a man. Ignored, he'll likely fade away into obscurity. Engaged, he will probably end up trying to kick over our Lego tower.
If they sent 100 nuclear bombers into our airspace, there would be 100 nuclear bombers hitting the sea in pieces. It's sort of important on a symbolic level, but not in actuality. We should politically roll our collective eyes and keep walking.
Suppose it wasn't a training mission and suppose an un-named C-n-C who likes to hang with Hollywood celebrities just happened to be in the Hollywood home of a big movie director at a $35,000 plate fund raiser. Bear H releases a cruise missile with a nuclear warhead quite by "accident" and it flies towards Hollywood. Would the President still claim he didn't know anything about it until he read it in the New York Times?
You need to get tested for worms if you think Russia is going to nuke us for the hell of it.
You need to get tested for worms if you think Russia is going to nuke us for the hell of it.
LOL It's an "accident". Besides with the spineless "leadership" we have, you really think they'd want to risk their careers, rears and retirement claiming it wasn't anything more than was claimed-an accident?
I don't think there's going to be much enthusiasm because its been going on since the 50's.
Not really. We had a long period in the 90s where we weren't quite so provocative with each other. Back in the 80s sure, including things like Able Archer on our part, which almost turned out really, really bad. But for awhile the cold war cooled off dramatically. That sad part is we are starting to see the same kind of things that were common from the 50s to the 80s and that's really not cool.
Posturing. Like the first version of the Cold War, let them posture. The whole "save face-need respect" thing is very big in the Russian culture. They have been doing this for years, off and on.
The problem is right now we don't have a Kennedy or a Reagan to competently deal with posturing and keep the escalation train from running out of the station and right off the cliff. Obama is in no way suited to engage in old school cold war brinksmanship. He can't even keep his ego from causing him to step on his dick regarding conflicts in Syria.
And to make matters worse, he's playing cold war chess against somebody who is actually really good at it.
And were not buzzing their borders with one of our bombers in response why?
Oh, wait ... Never mind .
And were not buzzing their borders with one of our bombers in response why?
What good could that possibly do?
That's like suggesting a child name-call another child in retaliation for name-calling.
And were not buzzing their borders with one of our bombers in response why?
Oh, wait ... Never mind .
Because Obama doesn't know how to play that game and would either embolden them with his incompetence, as he has up to this point, or would let his ego escalate things to a point of no return. Probably best Obama does nothing at this point.
Not really. We had a long period in the 90s where we weren't quite so provocative with each other. Back in the 80s sure, including things like Able Archer on our part, which almost turned out really, really bad. But for awhile the cold war cooled off dramatically. That sad part is we are starting to see the same kind of things that were common from the 50s to the 80s and that's really not cool.
My buddy from college was an F14 pilot 'back in the day'. The mid-90s? They routinely flew close to Russia, Russian ships, etc. We still do...it just doesn't get advertised.
My buddy from college was an F14 pilot 'back in the day'. The mid-90s? They routinely flew close to Russia, Russian ships, etc. We still do...it just doesn't get advertised.
I think nuclear capable bombers is meant to send a slightly different message than flying fighters near your borders and navy. A couple MiGs 50 miles off the Cali coast really wouldn't be as alarming.
I can't help but to think of the appeasement leading up to both of the world wars.
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MountainRaven
07-19-14, 00:47
I wonder how many B-52s, B-1Bs, and B-2s have routinely flown within 50 miles of Russian airspace in support of operations in Afghanistan.
I wonder how many B-52s, B-1Bs, and B-2s have routinely flown within 50 miles of Russian airspace in support of operations in Afghanistan.
Aren't the two countries about 2,000 miles away from each other?
Belmont31R
07-19-14, 02:43
Aren't the two countries about 2,000 miles away from each other?
Neither Afg or the US is 2k miles from Russia. When the USSR was still around their border to AFG was a bridge in practicality. With the curtain gone the distance is a lot further now but our astronauts land in Kazakstan which is bordered between Russia and other breakaway 'curtain' Stans.
I think nuclear capable bombers is meant to send a slightly different message than flying fighters near your borders and navy. A couple MiGs 50 miles off the Cali coast really wouldn't be as alarming.
Point taken. Still not new, still not news. Has happened, regularly, by both sides for years.
Don't forget about subs harassing each other.
Suppose it wasn't a training mission and suppose an un-named C-n-C who likes to hang with Hollywood celebrities just happened to be in the Hollywood home of a big movie director at a $35,000 plate fund raiser. Bear H releases a cruise missile with a nuclear warhead quite by "accident" and it flies towards Hollywood. Would the President still claim he didn't know anything about it until he read it in the New York Times?
If that happened, I would put that pilot and crew in for a "Presidential", oops correction, "Vice Presidential" Citation for action "Above and Beyond the Call of Duty"!
The Soviets were a lot more predictable than strong-man Putin. Power was diffused through the central committee and they had rational, if evil, goals. If/when Putin consolidates absolute power akin to Stalin, we are hostage to whatever capricious reasoning he holds. We have no idea whether his ego might lead him, if challenged enough, to say, "F**k them, launch everything" regardless of the consequences. Is he a sociopath? Psychopath? We just don't know. But the KGB attracted many of them.
To the point that Rus bombers would be blown out of the sky if crossing over the mainland, so what? The nuke missiles the Bears were testing have a reported range of 3000-5000 km.
Blowing off the threat as long time behavior by both sides IMO is dangerous complacency. We had plenty of evidence that old Sov side was a blowhard bully who could be faced down. This new regime has a too limited and different track record to predict reactions in future confrontations.
its really cute ...
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