View Full Version : 22" krieger 1:8 varmint load?
I recently finished an ar15 build! RR trued reciever, R rvr lower, geisselle nm trigger, magpul prs stock, cle free float varmint hand guard, 22" krieger-cle 223 match chamber 1:8 .936 at muzzle with woa clamp on gas block. She oughtta be a sweeet shooter!
Tryn to find a SUPER accurate VARMINT LOAD. I've got varget and imr4895. Sierra 55gr bt blitz kings,62 gr barnes ttsx and berger 52 gr fb varmint bullets.
I wanna be able to hit a gnat on a cows nose at 250 yards.
What are ya'lls suggestions? Any bullet/ powder combos - not just my supply? Varmint loads only please.
I won't touch those Barnes bullets because of the hit and miss copper fouling problems people report. Is the barrel cut rifled? If so, you could probably shoot Barnes with no problems.
Are you against shooting a heavier bullet? If I had that barrel, I'd be running 77 gr Nosler Custom Competitions. A 77 gr will be less prone to externals, like wind, from zero to 250. But if you're really varmint hunting, you could go for a screaming velocity lighter bullet too.
Yeah cut rifling. I'm really wanting the 77 gr accuracy in a bullet that carries humane lethality. I'm
Pretty iffy of the accuracy capable from a barnes. To me it seems like all ya ever hear is sierra this and berger that. I do feel kinda partial to sierra though. But, only because of the 39 gr federal premium 204 load.
Ok... the reason I say Nosler over Sierra is the slightly better fragmentation. Hmm.... there are so many sierra offerings from 52-60 gr... and i've not tried those.
Another noteworthy option is the Hornady VMAX bullets in 55 gr. Those things are laser beams. They have the nylon red tip, but I'm unsure if they're a hunting rated bullet....
EDIT:
Straight from Hornady:
V-MAX™ Bullets
Hornady’s V-MAX bullets consistently achieve rapid fragmentation at all practical varmint shooting velocities.
We've shot those bullets... and they are impressive in accuracy. And as fast as you could get them going out of a 22 inch barrel, you will cover 250 yards with little trouble at all.
And as much as I hate the idea of Varget for AR. Your application is probably a great exception. You put those VMAX in front of a heaping serving of Varget with that long barrel, and LOOK OUT!
Do a Google search for AeroE's Accuracy Load using 52gr SMK over Reloader 15
RE powders suck balls for temp sensitivity. And he already owns the Varget which is in the extreme series of powders.
RE15 does have a following for God knows what reason. Even the Mk118 mil data show it's terrible, and the MIL still uses it. ..if temp is at all an issue... keep that in mind.
If you really want to trim your Standard Deviations, Try one of the Russian Primers. Tula or Wolf. SRMs or .223s. They're generally a mild primer with a magnum cup for AR use. They pair up beautifully with extruded powders.
Wonder how my br4's compare to them?
Wonder how my br4's compare to them?
Have to give them a shot. We've had the russians run rings around BR4s with H322 in .223. But I've not tried BR4 with Varget. You'll just have to give them a shot.
I'm interested to see what you find that works.
Steel head
07-30-14, 18:13
If I had that barrel the first thing I'd try in it is Varget or W748 with 69 SMK's.
Also like the Berger 50 somethings with Xterminator or W748.
Varget makes no sense with lighter bullets in .223. The velocities aren't great and it meters terribly. Benchmark is THE powder for 40 to 55 grain bullets in .223 if you want accuracy, velocity, easy metering and temp. insensitivity.
Twm134, whats your take on h335 vs benchmark? Been studying the manuals and have noticed 335 and benchmark come up often labeled as most accurate load along with a few tac and a few of the vihtavouri. Take note i do believe i might be leaning toward that berger 52 gr.
Ned Christiansen
07-30-14, 20:22
Can Barnes Varmint Grenades be had as components? I found them the most accurate factory load in 6X45 (62 grain and with a Kreiger). Went on a Woodchuck Jihad after they started eating my car and, well, eight out of eight woodchucks did not approve. Can probably take that gnat off the cow's nose with no collateral moomoo damage :-) .
Hmm.... Forgot bout those. Could be an option- i'll have to investigate further.
About a year ago I got a couple pounds of H335 free and worked with it a little with 55 grain bullets. The accuracy was good and velocities were at the upper end, however, it is dirty and I didn't get great SD, maybe ~40 fps. Benchmark is usually half that or less. I didn't work with it much though. Mostly loaded some blasting ammo for shooting at night. It was fun to shoot some drills with the tremendous muzzle flash. A lot of people say it works well for loads with lightweight bullets but I don't think it will do better than Benchmark, especially if your temps vary much.
I don't know but I've heard it's primer sensitive and won't work well with Russian primers, which is about all I use for small rifle anymore.
Thanks for that info. Guess now i'll be stalking benchmark on gunbot now!!:D
Thanks for that info. Guess now i'll be stalking benchmark on gunbot now!!:D
With a 22 inch barrel and a rifle gas length, you've already got it good with Varget.... at least in theory that should be an excellent combo. Varget on a short gas system with a light bullet isn't good, but on that gun, I bet it sings.
If you want something in the burn rate of Benchmark, I'd pick XBR 8208 instead. Benchmark has never blown my socks off, but XBR will shoot both heavies and 55s laser accurate.
About a year ago I got a couple pounds of H335 free and worked with it a little with 55 grain bullets. <snipt> Mostly loaded some blasting ammo for shooting at night. It was fun to shoot some drills with the tremendous muzzle flash.
That's exactly what that garbage is good for. :sarcastic: I too use it for occasional night shoot thrills.
Anyone running H335 in a Krieger barrel, however, should get slapped upside his head.
If you want a varmint bullet look at the 53 vmax it has a better bc than the 55. If you can push it to 3200fps it will hang with a 77 matchking out to 500. They are very close until you get to 500 then the matchking pulls away. The 53 vmax was specifically designed to perform in ars.
If you want a varmint bullet look at the 53 vmax it has a better bc than the 55. If you can push it to 3200fps it will hang with a 77 matchking out to 500. They are very close until you get to 500 then the matchking pulls away. The 53 vmax was specifically designed to perform in ars.
That might be the bullet I was thinking of. Last night I was laughing at my self for questioning its Varmint abilities... then I remembered the "V" in VMAX. DUH!!
With his barrel, he should have not problem approaching 3350 fps with the right powder.
I just hit the motherload of powder supplies!!! Wound up with a couple of lbs of benchmark. Now to dedide on the 52gr bergers or v maxes???? Well i've been holdn on to some of the bergers so we'll see what comes of those w/ the bmark and tula primers i picked up as well. Now - any suggestions for my 1st powder weight charge?
VMAX. If you insist on running the damned Benchmark.... run it hot. It's bulk density makes it really fill up the case, but I've found that it doesn't start performing until you get towards MAX.
Mark... Why not run the 335 in a krieger?
If you read the article sometimes posted here on the development of the military Long Range 7.62 load you'll see mentioned that certain ball powders leave hard carbon fouling in the middle of the rifling. I don't know for sure that H335 falls in that category, but it's such nasty, flashy, yucky stuff... you really don't want that in your good barrel. It's strictly a nasty mil ball ammo propellant.
There may be some ball powders that can be safely used it good barrels, but I just avoid them all in everything except my beater chrome lined barrels.
That's exactly what that garbage is good for. :sarcastic: I too use it for occasional night shoot thrills.
Anyone running H335 in a Krieger barrel, however, should get slapped upside his head.
It worked well for the price! A lot of guys report good results with it but it didn't do anything exceptional for me. For the most part I've moved away from all ball powders due to velocity variations with temp change. I would like to try CFE 223 and 8208 with heavies when I get the time. I was headed that way before the last panic and ended up shooting whatever I could find instead. Is 8208 really temp stable? Any data to back that up?
It worked well for the price! A lot of guys report good results with it but it didn't do anything exceptional for me. For the most part I've moved away from all ball powders due to velocity variations with temp change. I would like to try CFE 223 and 8208 with heavies when I get the time. I was headed that way before the last panic and ended up shooting whatever I could find instead. Is 8208 really temp stable? Any data to back that up?
Don't get me wrong. I still buy H335 for fun and blasting....
As far as 8208's temp stability? I've never tested it. It's simply a manufacturer's claim.
Steel head
08-02-14, 23:09
As far as 8208's temp stability? I've never tested it. It's simply a manufacturer's claim.
I shot some of my kinda hot 8208XBR/Hor 75 bthp/CCI#450 loads last week at 104 degrees and chrony data was almost identical as data I have from 20 degrees I think it was about 30fps change.
I shot some of my kinda hot 8208XBR/Hor 75 bthp/CCI#450 loads last week at 104 degrees and chrony data was almost identical as data I have from 20 degrees I think it was about 30fps change.
That's pretty reasonable. When the mil tested R15 for the Mk118LR load, they got much worse velocity swing on HALF that temp variation. I have NO IDEA why they continue to run that stupid powder.
So the berger 52 grn varmint w/ 25.5 gr of benchmark is scary accurate for my first work up load! Slightly less than 1/4 c to c. Think i'll start loading .2 up n c what it'll do.
So the berger 52 grn varmint w/ 25.5 gr of benchmark is scary accurate for my first work up load! Slightly less than 1/4 c to c. Think i'll start loading .2 up n c what it'll do.
Did you chronograph the load? If I can come up with Benchmark powder, I will try this recipe in my bolt action .223.
No, was fixn to storm so i left the chrono in the box. Loaded up 5 more of the same load but seated them all the same with base to ogive measurements. Needless to say it's fixn to storm again so i'll be hold off probably till next weekend. Believe me- i'm very curious as to the fps as well.
So the berger 52 grn varmint w/ 25.5 gr of benchmark is scary accurate for my first work up load! Slightly less than 1/4 c to c. Think i'll start loading .2 up n c what it'll do.
Glad to hear it. 25.5 grs. worked very well for me behind Nosler ballistic tips and Bergers should do even better. I would be interested in chronograph data as well. Out of a 22" 1 in 12 I was getting over 3300 fps.
Yeah, i was getn 3400 w/ the varget and 62 ttsx's. So i expect to see a bit more from these.
3400 with 62's sounds rather high, however that is about what I could get with 50's and Benchmark.
Yeah i just checked. I was wrong. 3190 is the average of 5.
So whats the go to powder for 168 gr 308?
So whats the go to powder for 168 gr 308?
For a bolt gun, I have had good luck with Varget, Win 748 and IMR 4895. For my Garand I have had good luck with IMR 4895 and H4895.
So whats the go to powder for 168 gr 308?
I like Varget for bolt gun, and IMR 4064 for Gas gun.
I like Varget for bolt gun, and IMR 4064 for Gas gun.
Guys I shoot with regularly use IMR 4064 for Garands and highly recommend it.
Guys I shoot with regularly use IMR 4064 for Garands and highly recommend it.
Not sure why... but it just did really well with 168s back when Pappabear had his LMT MWS. And since it's got good temp stability and a history of use in LR/Match Military 7.62 ammo loads.
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