View Full Version : Is it within executive power to grant amnesty?
I've heard about Obama's promise to take "generous" executive action concerning amnesty around Labor Day. Can he, as POTUS, grant amnesty without Congressional legislation?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/20/Luis-Gutierrez-Obama-s-DACA-Program-Down-Payment-Before-Millions-More-Get-Amnesty
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-31-14, 04:45
I've wondered the same thing. One thing I have noticed is that he will talk a big talk about how active he is going to be and then...... not so much. Look at guns, he said that he was going to take big steps and it was a 10 point plan with no sharp points. Not saying that he isn't going to do it here, but he seems to like to threaten (lines in sand) and then not deliver.
His political gurus must be telling him to make some noise to appease his base, but really take no action so that he doesn't enrage the rest of us and have to face a GOP House AND Senate.
Frankly, he basically has to do nothing and he gets the illegals in, so he really doesn't have to do anything drastic.
All he has to do is make promises to act and it will keep the flood coming.
All he has to do is make promises to act and it will keep the flood coming.
Yeah, I know that is a fact unfortunately. But the question is can he legally grant citizenship/amnesty by himself?
Yeah, I know that is a fact unfortunately. But the question is can he legally grant citizenship/amnesty by himself?
Can he do half the crap he's done thus far legally?
Yeah, I know that is a fact unfortunately. But the question is can he legally grant citizenship/amnesty by himself?
I don't think he can..If he could, then why hasn't he done it? It would be a lot easier than passing a immigration bill through congress.. More blow-hard from a Kenyan socialist....
Yeah, I know that is a fact unfortunately. But the question is can he legally grant citizenship/amnesty by himself?
The best he can do "legally" is issue an executive order interpreting how an existing law will be enforced. Whether it is legal doesn't matter, because until it is challenged, the federal machine will have its marching orders. It would then need to be challenged in court similar to the chatter about the lawsuit concerning the full enactment of Obamacare. How long does it take for a lawsuit like that to march through the courts? Meanwhile the damage continues...
He is in a win win situation right now simply due to RepublicRAT ineptitude and testicular fortitude. He fans the flames of racist and hate claiming to write an EO. If in the end he can't or even won't, he can blame the racist Republicans and gets voters out. If he writes an EO he gets the voters out. If he gets impeached or the EO is challenged he blames the racist Republicrats and gets the vote out. He has nothing to worry about. All he has to do is make sure that he doesn't loose the senate in November. The republicans should do nothing but focus on the November elections and insure they keep the house and win the senate back. After that they can do as they will. Sue, impeach whatever.
Moose-Knuckle
07-31-14, 15:25
When has he ever cared (or any modern POTUS for that matter) if something is "legal" or not?
BoringGuy45
07-31-14, 15:31
I worry we've reached a point where if we shut down the borders or begin mass deportations, I would be surprised to see terror attacks and possibly even a civil war. That'll come eventually, when many of these illegal immigrants, who obviously don't care much for our laws, decide that instead of taking advantage of this country, they want to try and take it over.
The best he can do "legally" is issue an executive order interpreting how an existing law will be enforced. Whether it is legal doesn't matter, because until it is challenged, the federal machine will have its marching orders. It would then need to be challenged in court similar to the chatter about the lawsuit concerning the full enactment of Obamacare. How long does it take for a lawsuit like that to march through the courts? Meanwhile the damage continues...
The problem with him winging it and saying they have amnesty of some sort is that if/when it gets to the courts I can picture them saying "Well, he did not have the authority to do that but it wouldn't be fair :shout: to revoke their citizenship just because he made a mistake and overreached." Kind of like a "from this point forward" type of thing and meanwhile the damage has been done by legalizing millions of new Democrat voters.
Moose-Knuckle
07-31-14, 15:37
I worry we've reached a point where if we shut down the borders or begin mass deportations, I would be surprised to see terror attacks and possibly even a civil war. That'll come eventually, when many of these illegal immigrants, who obviously don't care much for our laws, decide that instead of taking advantage of this country, they want to try and take it over.
And we might reach the point where if we don't shut down the borders and begin mass deportations we'll see Revolution/Civil War 2.0 . . .
Looks like he can and probably will. Oddly enough here is Ed Schultz on MSNBC expressing his sincere frustration with the plan, stating that Americans won't like it and also that if Republicans regain the senate in November then impeachment becomes a real possibility.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/31/ed_schultz_obama_executive_order_will_create_more_problems_than_its_going_to_solve.html
Looks like he can and probably will. Oddly enough here is Ed Schultz on MSNBC expressing his sincere frustration with the plan, stating that Americans won't like it and also that if Republicans regain the senate in November then impeachment becomes a real possibility.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/31/ed_schultz_obama_executive_order_will_create_more_problems_than_its_going_to_solve.html
Hell would freeze over a dozen times before a Senate with only 51 or so Republicans removes Barack Obama from office.
Hell would freeze over a dozen times before a Senate with only 51 or so Republicans removes Barack Obama from office.
Ding ding. Osama ain't going to get impeached unless he does something so outrageous that it pisses of even the most restated of his supporters. Even if the RINO's were to to keep the house and gain a super majority in the senate an impeachment would mean death in the next election cycle. The Dems would play the racist victim role and get back in power.
The best tactic for the Rino's is to win both houses and castrate this dumbass through legislative action. If they can gain enough consensus to over ride his vetos his policies can be nullified via new laws. Not ideal mind you as I don't trust the Rino's either, but it's the best way to do it.
Yeah, I know that is a fact unfortunately. But the question is can he legally grant citizenship/amnesty by himself?
No, he cannot. That would require him to actually change the law, which is the job of congress. Will he do it anyway? Probably. The executive branch has swelled in power to an absurd point.
Looks like he can and probably will. Oddly enough here is Ed Schultz on MSNBC expressing his sincere frustration with the plan, stating that Americans won't like it and also that if Republicans regain the senate in November then impeachment becomes a real possibility.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/31/ed_schultz_obama_executive_order_will_create_more_problems_than_its_going_to_solve.html
But if he doesn't do it he risks losing much of the Hispanic vote come 2016.
But if he doesn't do it he risks losing much of the Hispanic vote come 2016.
No he doesn't. Since Jimmy Carter days the Dems have had 2 out of 3 Hispanic votes (on average). The highest for Dems was the 1988 election, which happened to be the one right after the amnesty Reagan signed in 1986 (!). Go figure. Guess the Republican opinion that amnesty will buy them votes is a farce, huh? Bottom line is nothing is going to cost the Dems the Hispanic vote.
What ever it takes to bring the U.S.A down to a third world country. The Bushes couldn't do it nor Bill Clinton. Hillary hasn't had her chance to usher the New World order though, Hillary 2016.
No. That's not administrating, that's legislating.
But if the political system can't deal with the problem...very bad news.
This is why I don't have a problem with suing Obama for overreaching his executive authority. Impeachment is extremely unlikely in the current political environment. However, while I'm not a big fan of litigation, there has to be a judicial ruling on the constitutionality of his executive edicts. This potential amnesty issue is a biggie, perhaps bigger than the Obamacare crap he's done. If he can get away with unilaterally granting amnesty and creating citizens he can potentially affect the balance of power in this country for decades. This CANNOT be allowed to stand.
No he doesn't. Since Jimmy Carter days the Dems have had 2 out of 3 Hispanic votes (on average). The highest for Dems was the 1988 election, which happened to be the one right after the amnesty Reagan signed in 1986 (!). Go figure. Guess the Republican opinion that amnesty will buy them votes is a farce, huh? Bottom line is nothing is going to cost the Dems the Hispanic vote.
Your correct. I mistyped. I meant the midterm elections.
The president can do what ever he wants if nobody objects. The dimwits in this country voted Obama in twice are they able to make any better decisions this election?
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.