Recommendation on a Heavy Barrel

[platoonDaddy]

To comply with MD law, I have been on a quest for a "Heavy Barrel" of course the SOCOM|M4 barrels are a no-go. Why you ask, because they have the M203 cut-out feature. :(

Would love a complete upper receiver group in 5.56 16" heavy barrel for my Colt Lower.

BCM has a great sale on upper receiver groups, but going through their list of firearms, I don't believe anyone of them are "Heavy Barrel".
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-16-Mid-Length-Group-s/27.htm

Any recommendations?

[TF82]

Unless it's banned by name I would say you need to look at a Colt 6721. I don't know if flash hiders and bayonet lugs are too scary for MD but if not the uppers turn up on Gunbroker from guys parting out Colt rifles. Obviously before you buy anything from there you need to do you're due diligence. Plenty of retailers seem to have complete rifles for around $1k right now.

I have an old one with the large pin fire control group and the half circle bolt carrier and it's still a pretty solid rifle. On the other hand, other than the 1/9 twist HBAR the new ones are exactly the same as the 6720, so even better.

ETA: I just took a look at mine and the barrel is actually marked HBAR. I've seen them for sale parted out before too, so if you're looking to build that could be an option. Those barrels also have a reputation for great accuracy with the right ammo.

[sinister]

You can try CMMG for just the barrel (just swap the one you have -- this one's a mid-length):

http://cdn3.volusion.com/ealcn.upcaf/v/vspfiles/photos/55D910A-2.jpg?1405943631

[Cincinnatus]

What about a Daniel Defense S2W barrel? It is salt-bath nitrided, 18" with a taper to it.

[TF82]

Isn't there some nonsense in the law that it can only be an "HBAR" or something?

[Brianb23]

Move out of MD.

[steyrman13]

To comply with MD law, I have been on a quest for a "Heavy Barrel" of course the SOCOM|M4 barrels are a no-go. Why you ask, because they have the M203 cut-out feature. :(
Any recommendations?

Why are the cutouts a problem for you? They have proven to be very accurate. There was a thread about 6 months back about someone using one out to 1000 yrds

[MegademiC]

Why cant you use a medium wt barrel? If for law, it may be a "heavy bbl" as its heavier than standard.

[platoonDaddy]

Why are the cutouts a problem for you? They have proven to be very accurate. There was a thread about 6 months back about someone using one out to 1000 yrds

Problem isn't with me, it is MD SB281. if it has the cutout it is a no-go, bayonet lug is good-to-go.



Isn't there some nonsense in the law that it can only be an "HBAR" or something?

Yep, it must be an "HBAR"



Why cant you use a medium wt barrel? If for law, it may be a "heavy bbl" as its heavier than standard.
The manufacture of the barrel, must classify the barrel as HBAR, medium wt is a no-go.


Cincinnatus, sisister & TF82 - will check them out. Thanks.

[Blankwaffe]

I'd also recommend looking into the 18" barrels.Some real nice shooting barrels in that length nowadays.
Im going to go with one of the Criterion 18" barrel for my next SPR build.Barrels are offered in hybrid or HBAR contour.
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/ar-15-m16-223-wylde-chrome-lined-barrels-prod54733.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=CRITERION%20BARRELS%20INC

[narcedglocker]

as a MD resident I feel your pain

[sevenhelmet]

I don't want to derail the thread more than necessary, but what is the law, exactly? I live in MD, but have never heard of laws that restrict what barrel may be ordered.

My understanding was the sale of complete AR-15s and AR-15 lowers isn't legal in MD, but you could buy/order other parts into the state without issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong- I would like to better understand the state that allows me to cash and carry an AR-10, but acts like an AR-15 is a sin.

[platoonDaddy]

I don't want to derail the thread more than necessary, but what is the law, exactly? I live in MD, but have never heard of laws that restrict what barrel may be ordered.

My understanding was the sale of complete AR-15s and AR-15 lowers isn't legal in MD, but you could buy/order other parts into the state without issue. Please correct me if I'm wrong- I would like to better understand the state that allows me to cash and carry an AR-10, but acts like an AR-15 is a sin.

Without getting into SB281: any AR15 with HBAR & without the M203 cut is legal in Md.

Since June or July - stripped lower receivers can be sold to the public, for public use. These lower receivers are available for purchase if they can be built into a non-banned weapon i.e. handgun, AR15 only heavy barrel, and short barreled rifles that are 29 inches in length over all or longer but still classified as a short barrel. All State and Federal laws must be complied with reference the sale and build of these receivers. Reference the sale of these lower receivers, a 77R will be completed and a 7 day wait will be utilized. No HQL is needed since this item is classified as a firearm, but not a handgun."

Suggest you join MDshooters.com and or read the threads under MD 2A issues:
http://mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Edit: forgot to add that lowers are regulated in the socialist state of MD, therefore the 7 day waiting period.

[sevenhelmet]

Thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for. Sorry for the derail.

[jcalvert86]

I believe the 16" WOA barrels that engagearmament in MD is selling are marked HBAR, but I'm not sure of the m203 cutout... message them on FB or the MDShooters forum and they'll build you an upper.

[platoonDaddy]

I believe the 16" WOA barrels that engagearmament in MD is selling are marked HBAR, but I'm not sure of the m203 cutout... message them on FB or the MDShooters forum and they'll build you an upper.

I checked out their barrels and yes they are HBAR without the cut-out, but the price is too high. Yes, they have a very captive audience without BCM and others providing competition.

[gt40]

I have a WOA 18" varmint upper with a 1 in 7" twist and had WOA flute the barrel I put it on top of a Colt LE 6920 M$ lower with a Geissele SSA-E trigger. It is very accurate and consistently shoots less than 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yds with reloaded Sierra 65 gr. Game Kings and 69 gr. Match Kings. Does mine qualify?

[platoonDaddy]

I have a WOA 18" varmint upper with a 1 in 7" twist and had WOA flute the barrel I put it on top of a Colt LE 6920 M$ lower with a Geissele SSA-E trigger. It is very accurate and consistently shoots less than 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yds with reloaded Sierra 65 gr. Game Kings and 69 gr. Match Kings. Does mine qualify?

For sure they are tack drivers, the issues is that WOA doesn't advertise the barrel has HBAR and from what I have read, the barrel isn't marked HBAR. MD doesn't advertise what barrels are acceptable only that the manufacture advertises as HBAR, it is good-to go.

Just curious, what are you selling the complete upper for? :D

[Fly8791]

Would it be possible to have a barrel engraved or stamped? Could that be a way getting a heavy barrel marked as "h-bar" to solve the legal issues?

[platoonDaddy]

Would it be possible to have a barrel engraved or stamped? Could that be a way getting a heavy barrel marked as "h-bar" to solve the legal issues?

You are sneaky. :o Seriously, only if you want to lose your rights to ever own a firearm. Isn't worth it.

[platoonDaddy]

Unless it's banned by name I would say you need to look at a Colt 6721. I don't know if flash hiders and bayonet lugs are too scary for MD but if not the uppers turn up on Gunbroker from guys parting out Colt rifles. Obviously before you buy anything from there you need to do you're due diligence. Plenty of retailers seem to have complete rifles for around $1k right now.

I have an old one with the large pin fire control group and the half circle bolt carrier and it's still a pretty solid rifle. On the other hand, other than the 1/9 twist HBAR the new ones are exactly the same as the 6720, so even better.

ETA: I just took a look at mine and the barrel is actually marked HBAR. I've seen them for sale parted out before too, so if you're looking to build that could be an option. Those barrels also have a reputation for great accuracy with the right ammo.





Just purchased a complete upper 16" AR6721 https://www.ratworxusa.com/?q=node/224 The flash hiders & bayonet lugs are good-to-go. Found out today, that M203 cut-out is GTG on .22 HBAR's on AR's. Only a friggin liberal could write dumb ass laws like SB281.

EDIT: now only one left at ratworx

[gt40]

Would it be possible to have a barrel engraved or stamped? Could that be a way getting a heavy barrel marked as "h-bar" to solve the legal issues?

Read this carefully because I think WOA will stamp custom barrels almost any way you wish. ( ??? )

https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/xcart/product.php?productid=17902