View Full Version : Been trying to trade for an arsenal AK, is this a bad deal?
TerminalLance
08-21-14, 18:12
I've been trying to get a trade for a fixed stock arsenal AK in either 7.62x39 or 5.56x45, but have come up with nothing thus far. I'm trying to figure out if what I'm trading is under valued for the trade, if the items are too unique, or if it's just that no one wants to sell an arsenal. I don't have enough posts on here to post on the EE, so I haven't been able to try here yet. Hopefully this thread will help me get to the required 30 posts. Here's what I've been offering in trade:
Keltec KSG with less than 25 rounds put through it. Also included are the trijicon rx34 reflex sight, magpul AFG-2, and boresnake.
BCM Jack Carbine upper with about 500 rounds through it. 14.5" midlength gov't profile barrel (HPT/MPI) with gunfighter comp pinned to 16" legal length, a BCM gunfighter charging handle, and a factory new BCM BCG (HPT/MPI).
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I suspect a moderator is going to throw a flag on this play.
TerminalLance
08-21-14, 18:20
I'm just trying to find out if I'm offering a crap deal. I'm honestly not sure how the value of this stuff would stack up against the value of a used arsenal, especially with prices going up on AKs and prices coming down on KSGs from when I made the purchase.
TerminalLance
08-21-14, 18:25
If anyone knows a good estimate on the value of the items I'm trying to trade, that would be helpful to my as well. I'm thinking that I might be better off just trying to sell these and purchase a new rifle instead of trying to find a trade for one I like.
I'm thinking that I might be better off just trying to sell these and purchase a new rifle instead of trying to find a trade for one I like.
This is your best bet. Though with enough searching you might find someone that wants to make a trade, it's far easier to just have cash in hand.
Bolt_Overide
08-22-14, 10:10
Cash is king, sell the items off, shop with cash in hand.
WickedWillis
08-22-14, 12:35
I agree with what others have said here thus far. You still have to remember though, as cool as the KSG is (and I personally like it) It's still a Kel Tec, and it still has their legendary issues, but there are plenty of mall ninja's and gamers with more sense than money that you should be able to sell that for a nice chunk of change, and maybe even have enough to buy the Arsenal with that shotgun alone. It seems to me in a trade though, you are giving up an awful lot especially considering you are putting in the fantastic upper and bcg.
That seems like an awe full lot of trade fodder to land a $1,000 AK.
Since you have a Jack Carbine upper, I'm going to take a WAG and assume that you also have a Jack lower somewhere, most likely with a new upper on it. While the Jack upper is a nice piece on its own, I see it being a difficult item to sell thanks mainly to its special cerakote finish. Is suggest reuniting the Jack upper with its original lower and selling the gun off as a whole, then use some of the proceeds from that sale to fund a new complete BCM lower from Grant.
It would also probably be easier to sell the KSG for cash. Keep the optic on it and sell the package at a reasonable price. Try finding a gun forum that specifically caters to your state or local area and advertise it there. As the others have said, cash is king. It will be much easier to sell everything for cash than trying to find that one person out there who has an Arsenal to get rid of and wants a KSG.
I would hang onto that Jack upper and dump the Keltec.
I like AKs but would prefer a complete Jack or a Jack with an AR lower to an Arsenal AK.
MountainRaven
08-22-14, 23:39
I would hang onto that Jack upper and dump the Keltec.
I like AKs but would prefer a complete Jack or a Jack with an AR lower to an Arsenal AK.
This.
Keep the Jack. Dump the Kel-Tec. Reutilize the funding from the Kel-Tec to buy a Century C39. Then you'll have a good AR and a decent AK for familiarization and plinking purposes.
Keep the Jack. Dump the Keltec.
Buy a yugo npap or opap if you want a fixed stock 7.62x39 gun. None better for the price.
Keep the Jack. Dump the Keltec.
Buy a yugo npap or opap if you want a fixed stock 7.62x39 gun. None better for the price.
Is an Arsenal not worth an extra $300 in your opinion?
Wondering because I want to pick up an AK soon...
Is an Arsenal not worth an extra $300 in your opinion?
Wondering because I want to pick up an AK soon...
More like $500.
Arsenal SLR107FR $999 to 1049
Yugo underfolder $559
Yugo fixed stock $529
If you HAVE to have a factory 100 series side folding stock, 90° gas block, and mac lug for a threaded muzzle nut...... by all means, get the arsenal.
If you just want a decent AKM, get the yugo.
An AK is meant to be simple and reliable. Yugos do that for a great price.
More like $500.
Arsenal SLR107FR $999 to 1049
Yugo underfolder $559
Yugo fixed stock $529
If you HAVE to have a factory 100 series side folding stock, 90° gas block, and mac lug for a threaded muzzle nut...... by all means, get the arsenal.
If you just want a decent AKM, get the yugo.
An AK is meant to be simple and reliable. Yugos do that for a great price.
Are those the only significant differences? Aren't the Yugos not chrome-lined?
killstatic
08-23-14, 05:51
I think thats a great deal. I'd trade an Arsenal AK for it
TerminalLance
08-23-14, 07:46
Well I found a trade locally, which was convenient for me. Got a Waffen Werks 74 in great condition with a bunch of goodies and about 2000 rounds of 7n6.
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Are those the only significant differences? Aren't the Yugos not chrome-lined?
Ah yes, that is another thing. Chrome lining on a 7.62 gun is a luxury. The yugo rifles, while not cl, are still a combloc made cold hammer forged barrel.
Man, I hope you function tested before agreeing.
Well I found a trade locally, which was convenient for me. Got a Waffen Werks 74 in great condition with a bunch of goodies and about 2000 rounds of 7n6.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/23/490e6c8fccbc5a6f399034a04394daf2.jpg
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Man, I hope you function tested before agreeing.
I've heard nothing but good things about Waffen Werks and that they stand by their product. I have no experience with them though. I had a Lancaster Rough
Rider 74 and that was a complete turd. Dropped it like a hot potato.
plouffedaddy
08-23-14, 16:54
I've heard nothing but good things about Waffen Werks and that they stand by their product. I have no experience with them though. I had a Lancaster Rough
Rider 74 and that was a complete turd. Dropped it like a hot potato.
Bad news---WW is out of business. Good news----DDI bought them and is honoring all of their rifle's warranties. Everyone I know that has sent their WWs in for service at DDI has been extremely happy so you can still buy with confidence.
That's great to hear. Last I knew Waffen Werks created a big mess and were having a hard time fixing their mistakes.
DDI is a stand up company for taking care of business.
Bad news---WW is out of business. Good news----DDI bought them and is honoring all of their rifle's warranties. Everyone I know that has sent their WWs in for service at DDI has been extremely happy so you can still buy with confidence.
I've heard nothing but good things about Waffen Werks and that they stand by their product. I have no experience with them though. I had a Lancaster Rough
Rider 74 and that was a complete turd. Dropped it like a hot potato.
I actually had personal experience with a friend's WW 74 that would fail to eject and double feed like crazy. Out of spec receiver and ejector.
Bad news---WW is out of business. Good news----DDI bought them and is honoring all of their rifle's warranties. Everyone I know that has sent their WWs in for service at DDI has been extremely happy so you can still buy with confidence.
Yikes. I didn't know WW went out of business. AR manufacturers are popping up like the plague, but a good US AK manufacturer is tough to find. Very sad to say the least.
OP, just check the bottom of your receiver to see who made it. I have a Waffen Werks Bulgarian 74 build from 2012, built on a Nodak Spud receiver. At that time, Waffen was putting out some pretty nice builds and had a good reputation. After all the craziness started back in the beginning of 2013, they switched to their own receivers made in house and things went really downhill from there. Doesn't necessarily mean that every gun they put out was bad, but it seems that a large number had issues.
It was one of the "in house" receivers that caused the double feeds and fte's.
OP, just check the bottom of your receiver to see who made it. I have a Waffen Werks Bulgarian 74 build from 2012, built on a Nodak Spud receiver. At that time, Waffen was putting out some pretty nice builds and had a good reputation. After all the craziness started back in the beginning of 2013, they switched to their own receivers made in house and things went really downhill from there. Doesn't necessarily mean that every gun they put out was bad, but it seems that a large number had issues.
Is an Arsenal not worth an extra $300 in your opinion?
I own a good collection of AK's including several Arsenals and Yugos. While Arsenal has some pretty cool configurations, their quality is not near up to the reputation that they have for some reason.
Well I found a trade locally, which was convenient for me. Got a Waffen Werks 74 in great condition with a bunch of goodies and about 2000 rounds of 7n6.
I sure hope the WW you got has a NoDak Spud receiver. In the future, don't let your desire to have right now out run your knowledge. There's so much to know about AK variants that it's super easy to over spend or buy a turd. Ask, gain the confidence that comes with knowledge, and then purchase. You'll be much happier in the long run.
WickedWillis
08-26-14, 11:41
Well I found a trade locally, which was convenient for me. Got a Waffen Werks 74 in great condition with a bunch of goodies and about 2000 rounds of 7n6.
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/23/490e6c8fccbc5a6f399034a04394daf2.jpg
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That is a tough call man. Even with the 2k in ammo, you might have lost money on that WW, unless it's one of the good ones that came out from them.
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