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Any opinions on which would be a better choice in a Glock 17 Gen 3,U.S. or Austrian production?
AztecViking
08-26-14, 17:41
I did a bunch of research on this topic when I got my first Glock. Didn't even realize until I took it home that it was marked USA instead of Austria. There were many comments about them having different finishes but that turned out to be false. The only difference is the roll marking. Pick one and be happy.
I'd pick the USA one with the state of GA rollmark (where I live). We only have one of more than a dozen with the USA mark; a Gen 4 G23. Runs well.
MSparks909
08-26-14, 19:17
I picked up a NIB USA Gen 3 17 a little over a month ago. Currently 1500 rounds into the 2000 round challenge. Running better (no more BTF; ejection is still weak) since I swapped out the factory 336 ejector for the 30274 after 200 rounds. I have an Apex FRE that I'm probably going to install once I finish the 2K challenge. No complaints otherwise. Finish isn't the dull grey that my (sold) Gen 4 34 was. Only reason I went with the USA one is that I like the USA roll mark better than the Austrian one, and I wanted to try a US made Glock in comparison to my Austrian Gen 4 19.
Alpha Sierra
08-26-14, 20:44
I can forsee this US vs Austria crap reaching epic proportions of mental retardation.
American Hondas are just as excellent as the Japanese made ones, which proves that country of manufacture means dick when a manufacturer is dedicated to excellence.
I can forsee this US vs Austria crap reaching epic proportions of mental retardation.
This.
In a similar vein, I've examined both US and Italian made Beretta 92's side by side in a gun store. I honestly couldn't tell any difference between the two, although some folks claim the Italian ones have a better finish.
I can forsee this US vs Austria crap reaching epic proportions of mental retardation.
American Hondas are just as excellent as the Japanese made ones, which proves that country of manufacture means dick when a manufacturer is dedicated to excellence.
People are retarded. Look at how much more a J marked Toyota is worth.
I've even seen people pay a premium for an older DE marked HK45.
Some people won't buy SIGs that aren't made in Germany.
I personally think it's kind of weird to have US made pistols from companies that aren't US based. Like Brazilian Springer 1911s or Mex VWs, but at the end of the day it's the quality of the product that matters.
Gary1911A1
08-27-14, 09:18
The Austria might still have the tenifer finish which I for one would prefer.
The Austria might still have the tenifer finish which I for one would prefer.
They don't. The nitration process is the same in both factories. The guns made in the US are made using the same machines, molds, processes as in Austria.
Thanks,I just wanted to make sure that they were the same.I've come up against the same thing with US vs Italian Beretta's.
Crow Hunter
08-27-14, 09:54
I can forsee this US vs Austria crap reaching epic proportions of mental retardation.
American Hondas are just as excellent as the Japanese made ones, which proves that country of manufacture means dick when a manufacturer is dedicated to excellence.
I will back this up by saying that it has been my experience in the Automotive manufacturing realm, that the US made parts/components/testing is superior to those made in either Japan or Germany.
The US parts have lower labor content, more automation, and superior tolerancing controls.
Particularly when it comes to the Japanese. They are repulsed by automation and automatic gaging in manufacturing but are somehow sexually attracted to robots...:rolleyes::confused:
If given the choice, I will usually choose American over foreign made although during my tenure TMMC (Canada) had the best reputation for quality between TMMK (Kentucky), NUMMI and Japan.
LowSpeedHighDrag
08-27-14, 12:05
I have a Glock 19 Gen4 USA that came with the shiny black finish.
I hated the shiny finish so I parkerized it dark flat black like the old Glocks. I also installed the non-LCI extractor.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/LowSpeedHighDrag/33C8248E-3E3B-47AA-A360-584AF15EE94D_zpsjkzuhlct.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/LowSpeedHighDrag/media/33C8248E-3E3B-47AA-A360-584AF15EE94D_zpsjkzuhlct.jpg.html)
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LowSpeedHighDrag
08-27-14, 18:34
Here's the shiny finish when I first bought the gun.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/LowSpeedHighDrag/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/LowSpeedHighDrag/media/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg.html)
Alpha Sierra
08-27-14, 21:02
Here's the shiny finish when I first bought the gun.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/LowSpeedHighDrag/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/LowSpeedHighDrag/media/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg.html)
My Austrian made 17 Gen 4 looked exactly like that
I'd pick the USA one with the state of GA rollmark (where I live). We only have one of more than a dozen with the USA mark; a Gen 4 G23. Runs well.
I like the GA built ones as well. The LE ones we have in the shop have a weird color to their slides. The roll marks are cool looking as well IMHO.
C4
The nitration finish process is an evolutionary thing. I prefer an earlier version of nitration over the current. But it's more about the prep than the actual finish process.
Mayo:
Does an older generation 2 (I think that's what they call it) G19 without rail and without fingergroove with the Austrian proof marks command higher resale value?
MSparks909
08-28-14, 10:17
Here's the shiny finish when I first bought the gun.
http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq64/LowSpeedHighDrag/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg (http://s434.photobucket.com/user/LowSpeedHighDrag/media/Glock19gen4USA1_zps6e0a6490.jpg.html)
My USA Gen 3 17's finish looks identical to this. My Austrian Gen 4 34's finish looked similar to the parkerized image of the 19 that was posted. FWIW, I notice a lot LESS surface/holster wear with the shiny finish vs. the flat finish. My 34 was looking pretty cosmetically rough when I sold it. I've done just as many, if not more holster draws with this 17 (dry fire every day; live fire on weekends) and I'm barely noticing any finish wear.
Gary1911A1
08-29-14, 08:52
They don't. The nitration process is the same in both factories. The guns made in the US are made using the same machines, molds, processes as in Austria.
Thanks, I guess all the more reason to buy Gen 2 Glocks whenever I'm looking for one. One of the best pistols I own is a Gen 2 Glock19. Wish it had a rail though.
Alpha Sierra
08-29-14, 08:55
I can forsee this US vs Austria crap reaching epic proportions of mental retardation.
Aaaaannnd....I was right
Thanks, I guess all the more reason to buy Gen 2 Glocks whenever I'm looking for one. One of the best pistols I own is a Gen 2 Glock19. Wish it had a rail though.
My gen 2 G19 may be for sale for the right price. :)
Sam
Depends on the condition I suppose. My preference is the late two letter prefix gen2's.
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Sam
Depends on the condition I suppose. My preference is the late two letter prefix gen2's.
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And what are those two letter prefix that I'm looking for?
You've seen my G19 once or twice, back when I was drinking the coolaide. The finish on the slide is worn shiny in some spots.
Sam
Been a long time since I've seen your "savant" gun. As in the alphabet. X Y Z. Just a preference.
You should let me look at it again. Prob needs an update.
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Sam
Been a long time since I've seen your "savant" gun. As in the alphabet. X Y Z. Just a preference.
You should let me look at it again. Prob needs an update.
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It's totally reliable, unlike your buddy's G23 that didn't lock back. :)
I've held on to it all these years because I thought it might bring a premium return. If it not worth an obscene value, I'd get rid of it like a hot potato.
Your buddy's 23 runs like a sewing machine after I got a hold of it. I'll give you $200. Cuz I guarantee it's not as nice as the one I already have. ;)
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It's totally reliable, unlike your buddy's G23 that didn't lock back. :)
I've held on to it all these years because I thought it might bring a premium return. If it not worth an obscene value, I'd get rid of it like a hot potato.
In regards to the value of a Gen 2 Austrian Proofed 19, Personally Wouldn't value it more than a used Gen 3 and depending on mods likely less, however a lot of people, and there is a large number in certain circles, emphasis on certain, consider the Gen 2 19 to be the uber ultimate carry gun for some reason and I was seeing them bring a premium for quite some time with prices on them three or four years ago in the $600-650 range on a regular basis and sometimes in the $700 range depending on the seller and people buying them. Of course this was on a local forum where if you wanted to added an instant $200 in value to your glock you polished the finish off the slide until it was a mirror sheen and took a wood burner to the grip until it looked like someone placed it in an oven before finally paint filling any remaining markings to make it the elite tactical mall ninja special, and I am being serious. I saw glocks not sell for $550 used, and then the owner would strip the finish, barrel and slide, and stipple the thing and then mark it for $700 and some dumbass would buy it.
Leaveammoforme
08-30-14, 01:52
Sam,
This is a friendly reminder that there is no selling of products outside of EE.
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Gary1911A1
08-30-14, 06:52
In regards to the value of a Gen 2 Austrian Proofed 19, Personally Wouldn't value it more than a used Gen 3 and depending on mods likely less, however a lot of people, and there is a large number in certain circles, emphasis on certain, consider the Gen 2 19 to be the uber ultimate carry gun for some reason and I was seeing them bring a premium for quite some time with prices on them three or four years ago in the $600-650 range on a regular basis and sometimes in the $700 range depending on the seller and people buying them. Of course this was on a local forum where if you wanted to added an instant $200 in value to your glock you polished the finish off the slide until it was a mirror sheen and took a wood burner to the grip until it looked like someone placed it in an oven before finally paint filling any remaining markings to make it the elite tactical mall ninja special, and I am being serious. I saw glocks not sell for $550 used, and then the owner would strip the finish, barrel and slide, and stipple the thing and then mark it for $700 and some dumbass would buy it.
It may just be all in my head, but without the finger grooves on the Gen 3 Model 19 I feel like I can get more of my hand on the grip of the Gen 2. I can still pinch the palm of my hand on speed reloads with both generations.
We had an armory full (about 45) of glock 22 gen3 pistols with nary a problem in the decade we ran them...all made in Austria. Only thing we ever did was swap recoil springs every so often.
We now have an armory full of 22 gen4 pistols. We had to push the rear sights over in nearly every single one, some to the point that they are starting to protrude from the dovetail. People getting hit in the face with brass. Several slide release levers grenading on the range. All made in USA.
The rear sight issue seems to me like there was a machine out of alignment at some point. The other problems may be Gen4 related...who knows. All I can tell you for sure is that our Gen3 pistols were better and they were made in Austria. I ended up buying my own duty pistol of a different make/model rather than use the free issued G22 Gen4.
Going on occasional feedback/comments, the Glock 21 Gen 4 seems to be the success story of Gen 4 (so far).
Sam,
This is a friendly reminder that there is no selling of products outside of EE.
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You're right.
I guess i should start a poll thread titled "Should I keep my Austrian proof Gen2 G19 with Heinie Night Sights and 4 magazines and Blade Tech IWB holster"?
Leaveammoforme
08-30-14, 17:18
You're right.
I guess i should start a poll thread titled "Should I keep my Austrian proof Gen2 G19 with Heinie Night Sights and 4 magazines and Blade Tech IWB holster"?
You should probably add what you think it is worth to help people help you make the decision. Or add what someone offered to trade you for it.
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