View Full Version : "Jack the Ripper" finally identified...maybe
Doc Safari
09-09-14, 15:53
If you are interested in forensics and crime-solving, this article is a must-read:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746321/Jack-Ripper-unmasked-How-amateur-sleuth-used-DNA-breakthrough-identify-Britains-notorious-criminal-126-years-string-terrible-murders.html
Naming Jack The Ripper, by Russell Edwards, will be published by Sidgwick & Jackson on September 9
DNA evidence on a shawl found at Ripper murder scene nails killer
By testing descendants of victim and suspect, identifications were made
Jack the Ripper has been identified as Polish-born Aaron Kosminski
Kosminski was a suspect when the Ripper murders took place in 1888
Hairdresser Kosminski lived in Whitechapel and was later put in an asylum
A shawl found by the body of Catherine Eddowes, one of the Ripper’s victims, has been analysed and found to contain DNA from her blood as well as DNA from the killer.
Using cutting-edge techniques, Dr Louhelainen was able to extract 126-year-old DNA from the material and compare it to DNA from descendants of Eddowes and the suspect, with both proving a perfect match.
My excerpts don't do the entire story justice. Please read the entire article.
Averageman
09-09-14, 16:45
Amazing, thanks for posting that.
I have always been interested in the crimes.
Moose-Knuckle
09-09-14, 18:39
What a solid match to Prince Charles!
:jester:
Go figure, a male hairdresser.
Short of a time machine, we'll never know for sure, but his DNA at a murder scene on clothing owned by the a victim, that he was one of 6 key suspects and was later put in an asylum. Yup, case closed in my view, or as closed as it can get in such a case so long ago.
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
wildcard600
09-10-14, 07:36
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
Its a great example of media sensationalism.
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
There's been many serial killers with much higher body counts to be sure.
Now if they could ONLY find out who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. :(
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
I think the mystique about Jack the Ripper was that the case went unsolved for so long. If he would've been busted immediately after his fifth murder, "Jack the Ripper", as we know it, would've never existed.
Location may also play a factor. Look at the names of people in the link you posted that racked up the highest body counts, then look where the murders occurred. I've never heard of any of them. If someone tallied numbers like that in the US or England, they'd be household names.
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Doc Safari
09-10-14, 09:26
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
To my mind, this proves that having a sensational name is the key to fame.
Who in western civilization has not heard of "Jack the Ripper". Yet name "John Wayne Gacy" and people may scratch their heads thinking "I know that name sounds familiar."
Now if they could ONLY find out who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. :(
LOL! They did. He's in prison in Nevada. :)
LOL! They did. He's finally in prison in Nevada. :)
Fixed it for ya...
Finally yes! He sure worked hard at it---
Moose-Knuckle
09-10-14, 16:07
What amazes me most is that there is a serial killer that did these things over 100 years ago with only 5 attributed victims who is still known globally and yet there are people with body counts of 50 to 100 or more that nobody has every heard of.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
One of the more macabre subject matters that I have devoted some time too, many of the worse offenders no one has ever heard of.
Albert Fish, aka The Brooklyn Vampire always creeped me out; child killer, pedophile, cannibal, serial murderer.
One of the more macabre subject matters that I have devoted some time too, many of the worse offenders no one has ever heard of.
Albert Fish, aka The Brooklyn Vampire always creeped me out; child killer, pedophile, cannibal, serial murderer.
That is one seriously broken individual. Best case I've ever seen for a state Eugenics program.
Doc Safari
09-10-14, 17:00
If you follow one of the links on the Wikipedia page you eventually end up on the page showing serial killers throughout the centuries. It's interesting the gruesome execution methods used to punish some of them.
Now if they could ONLY find out who killed Nicole Brown Simpson. :(
Let me guess, someone who fits the glove when they aren't injected with botox in the hand?
Doc Safari
10-20-14, 10:25
Well, some new information throws this back into "unsolved mystery" territory:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/jack-the-ripper-id-hinges-on-a-decimal-point-as-scientists-flag-up-dna-error-in-book-that-claims-to-identify-the-whitechapel-killer-9804325.html
...the scientist who carried out the DNA analysis has apparently made a fundamental error that fatally undermines his case against Kosminski – and once again throws open the debate over who the identity of the Ripper.
The scientist, Jari Louhelainen, is said to have made an "error of nomenclature" when using a DNA database to calculate the chances of a genetic match. If true, it would mean his calculations were wrong and that virtually anyone could have left the DNA that he insisted came from the Ripper's victim.
...experts with detailed knowledge of the GMI's mtDNA database claimed that Dr Louhelainen made an "error of nomenclature" because the mutation in question should be written as "315.1C" and not "314.1C". Had Dr Louhelainen done this, and followed standard forensic practice, he would have discovered the mutation was not rare at all but shared by more than 99 per cent of people of European descent.
A spokesperson for publishers Sidgwick & Jackson said: "The author stands by his conclusions. We are investigating the reported error in scientific nomenclature. However, this does not change the DNA profiling match and the probability of the match calculated from the rest of the haplotype data. The conclusion reached in the book, that Aaron Kosminski was Jack the Ripper, relies on much more than this one figure."
Personally, I have doubts that any evidence over 100 years old is going to be worth much.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798856/claim-jack-ripper-unmasked-dna-evidence-polish-immigrant-barber-wrong-say-experts.html
there's another one.
damn, thought they finally had it figured out!
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