View Full Version : REVISED Inforce APL; Pic Heavy
MSparks909
09-12-14, 22:28
Came home to a pleasant surprise this afternoon...the revised Inforce APL! I haven't fired any rounds through it yet, but it looks like Inforce did their homework as far as revising the mounting design and I'm optimistic that the issues with the light flying off pistols under recoil is fixed. All pics were taken with my iPhone so if they're grainy...I can't do anything about it.
Inforce switched from a cam-style mount to a screw tension design:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce1.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce1.jpeg.html)
Inforce was wise enough to use a metal insert on the opposite side of the screw. It might not look like metal, but I scraped it with my screwdriver to check, and it's definitely metal (if you look close you can see the mark I made in the middle of the insert):
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce3.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce3.jpeg.html)
Top view. The ridged insert to the rear of the "universal" mounting notch is the spacer required to properly fit 1913 style rails. Also visible is a spare 1913 insert that Inforce includes in the light, should you lose the first one. The spare insert is the grey insert behind the u-notch/1913 insert.
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce2.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce2.jpeg.html)
Mounting screw, clamping plate and view of the u-notch/1913 insert and the spare 1913 insert:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce4.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce4.jpeg.html)
Close up of 1913 insert installed:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce5.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce5.jpeg.html)
Close up of 1913 insert:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce6.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce6.jpeg.html)
Close up of 1913 insert/notch in light. The insert slides in/out. Only one way it can slide in, so you can't install it backwards:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce7.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce7.jpeg.html)
Screw has an o-ring to "prevent" it from vibrating loose (those who wish for a more "permanent" install might opt for blue loctite on the screw for peace of mind):
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce8.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce8.jpeg.html)
Installed on my G17 with clamping plate off. Universal notch fits nicely into the factory Glock notch:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce9.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce9.jpeg.html)
Installed and clamping plate tightened down. ZERO movement on the rail:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce10.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce10.jpeg.html)
Installed on my VP9 with the 1913 insert and clamping plate off. Good fit into the 1913 notch:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce11.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce11.jpeg.html)
Installed on my VP9 with the clamping plate tightened down. Again, ZERO movement on the rail:
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx223/gradboat09/Inforce12.jpeg (http://s758.photobucket.com/user/gradboat09/media/Inforce12.jpeg.html)
I *may* have time tomorrow evening to shoot with the light installed to check function and to see if it flies off my gun. I'm taking a 2-day Frank Proctor Advanced Pistol class so I might have to postpone testing the light until next week or next weekend. Initial impressions are strong, but I want to hold off on my final thoughts until I can actually send some rounds down range with the light mounted. Output is still 200 lumens and the paddles operate in the same manner as the original APL paddles.
Looks great! Thanks for sharing. Is it safe to assume the exterior dimensions are the same as the first generation? I'm concerned about holster compatibility.
MSparks909
09-12-14, 22:52
Physically, the only difference I can tell is in the mounting system. I don't have my old Inforce anymore, but I'm 99% certain they are the same size. I have a buddy who has an original Inforce APL on his G31. After I get back into town Sunday night I'll check his out and compare them to be sure.
Nightstalker865
09-13-14, 06:46
I just wish they had gone to the SF style mount so it can be taken in and off without tools, yet stays firmly on the gun.
New mount does look solid though.
Thanks for the pics.
I just wish they had gone to the SF style mount so it can be taken in and off without tools, yet stays firmly on the gun.
New mount does look solid though.
Thanks for the pics.
I suspect that would have screwed users with kydex built for the original APL. And while I love my X300's, I really can't think of a time when I needed to remove them in a hurry.
That's awesome. I was considering the APL for a pistol light until I saw the other thread and the videos of the light popping off. I'm glad they fixed it. I really like the hsp wml on my rifle.
Also, does it function the same, as far as a tap for constant hold for momentary?
dieselgeek
09-16-14, 20:21
Okay, I was wondering about this, I sent one in a few months ago because it had cracked. I got one like yours in the mail today. It is solid.
http://i.imgur.com/qV8sfKv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0ZIBreD.jpg
brushy bill
09-17-14, 06:29
Diesel geek,
Where did yours crack?
4DAIVI PAI2K5
09-17-14, 09:10
Looks like a good improvement. Although I like the previous versions easy on/off.
Anyone know who has these new revised ones in stock yet ?
Biggy,
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/inforce-apl-white-light-constant-and-momentary/
Their description says:
These are the NEW IMPROVED clamping system designed by INFORCE.
I would call them and ask if it is the new screw type mount.
Those of you that have the new ones, any of you put a decent amount of rounds (200 or more) through your gun with the new light and how did it do?
ETA:
Just got an email from Earl at IWC in response to my question:
Are these the new version of the APL with the screw type mount or the old cam lock style?
This was the response I received:
It's that new version just released.
vereceleritas
09-19-14, 15:46
I just got my APL today from OP Tactical. It's the new version. When I read in the APL thread that a revised mount was being released, I decided to wait. I made a note of the Inforce dealers who were out of stock and waited for them to become available, assuming any new stock would be the revised edition. OP Tactical has updated pictures showing the new mount and they're running a 10% promotion until the end of the month.
Don't know if Inforce changed the product ID or kept the same designation.
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https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3907/15104180669_883a7df165.jpg
Comes with a Panasonic battery, in case anyone was wondering.
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Mounted to my VP9.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5551/15104402858_798bbf4d27.jpg
My first Inforce product and I'm already liking the switch and slim profile compared to my X300U.
I'd like to know if the parasitic battery drain is still a problem on the new ones. Hopefully these new mounts are now good to go, I'd really like to pick one of these up. However if some of the problems mention aren't fully fixed I guess I'll just go with a Surefire as much as I love my Inforce WML.
I will be picking a new one up to run on one of my M&P's. I never really had a problem out of a first gen inforce but my other half kinda took it over on her XD. Just gives me all that more of a reason to buy a new one haha
Can the new mount be installed on the older version? I have one that I have not used but would not trust it after seeing the videos and reading about the issue. The fact that they spent the money to revise the mount just reinforces my hesitation to use the light with the cam lock.
Can the new mount be installed on the older version? I have one that I have not used but would not trust it after seeing the videos and reading about the issue. The fact that they spent the money to revise the mount just reinforces my hesitation to use the light with the cam lock.
No the mount can't interchange as far as I know due to the design. I had one on my M&P for over 3000 rounds and never had a problem at all. But some may have. I just never had an bad experience with it to diss the light. I love it as far at my opinion goes.
Can the new mount be installed on the older version? I have one that I have not used but would not trust it after seeing the videos and reading about the issue. The fact that they spent the money to revise the mount just reinforces my hesitation to use the light with the cam lock.
Contact Inforce and see if they will exchange it for a new one.
I received an email this morning informing me that they would exchange my older light for a newer one with revised mount.
I received an email this morning informing me that they would exchange my older light for a newer one with revised mount.
I sent Inforce an email over a week ago asking if I could exchange my current light for the newer version. I switched the light over from a G22 to a G21 and strangely enough it's developed a little play in it. Maybe it's due the sizing difference between the frames. I haven't heard back from them yet. I'll go ahead and send it in anyway and see what happens. Fingers crossed. It's on a duty pistol so I need a bit more clamping force to feel comfortable with it.
What lumen output are these up to nowadays?
I believe it is the output with the only difference being the locking mechanism. I should have a new one in a few days to compare.
I received one of the new revised model Inforce APL lights from these guys about a month ago. http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/inforce-apl-white-light-constant-and-momentary/
The light has stayed securely mounted to the pistol through around 400 rds and the light output (200 lumens) has stayed the same, with no discernible battery drain.
Also FYI, BlackPoint Tactical http://www.blackpointtactical.com make many brands of light mounted holsters for the Inforce APL light.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss72/Biggy8/Picture298_zpsa25c9745.jpg (http://s563.photobucket.com/user/Biggy8/media/Picture298_zpsa25c9745.jpg.html)
snackgunner
10-08-14, 10:47
Does anyone know if a first gen apl can be sent into inforce to get the updated mounting hardware/locking mechanism installed? Or does the light have to have damages/issues to get the updated hardware?
I sent mine in for exchange, and received a new version a few weeks ago. I was having the battery drain issue, and they replaced it with no questions asked.
Hows the output comparison on these compared to say an X300?
Hows the output comparison on these compared to say an X300?
It has 50 more lumens than the Surefire X300 and X400 lights and 300 less lumens than the Surefire X300U and X400U Ultra lights. Here are some links to some reviews of the Inforce APL light.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxOWtfKFejI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V78tH6aVpuM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71pfkYJ9cFE
http://www.surefire.com/illumination/weaponlights/handgun.html
So how are the revised models holding up? Are all the previous issues sorted out?
Just wanted to say kudos to Emissive Energy/Inforce for excellent customer support. I mailed them my older APL along with a note two weeks ago and received a brand new in the package revised APL today. I never had any rail clamp issues with the old one but when I switched guns it felt much looser on the new set up. I didn't want to deal with any potential mishaps in the field. They are good to go in my book.
Straight Shooter
10-28-14, 22:57
Ran my new APL Gen 2 today on a G17 and G41 for SEVERAL hundred rounds... stayed put and tight. So far loving this and my WMLx 500 Lumen.
So how are the revised models holding up? Are all the previous issues sorted out?
Interested in this as well, especially as far as the battery drain issue goes. Really interested in one of these for my nightstand gun...
Interested in this as well, especially as far as the battery drain issue goes. Really interested in one of these for my nightstand gun...
I think the battery drain issue was hit or miss. I was one of the lucky ones that didn't have an issue with the battery.
vereceleritas
10-29-14, 18:54
I've had mine for over a month and I'm still using the same battery. I'm really liking mine so far and I prefer the APL switch to the one on my X300U. Easier to use and more intuitive, in my opinion. The slim profile and shorter length makes it a great fit for a concealed carry weapon, which is what I'm using it on. I personally feel that the X300U is too long for anything smaller than a full size pistol.
As for the negatives, that slim profile means my RCS holster doesn't have the same amount of retention that I'm used to. Most light compatible kydex holsters retain the light as opposed to the trigger guard. The APL doesn't really provide any surfaces for the holster to grab on to. I use my VP9 for both concealed carry and IDPA so I do wish they could've figured out a way to keep a QD mount. I have to keep a screwdriver handy so I can remove the light for my IDPA matches. I've also noticed that when tightened, the APL doesn't sit centered on my VP9. It's very slightly to the right. Perhaps that's the nature of a screw clamp type of mount where one side is fixed. It's not really an issue and doesn't affect function but the Surefire mount is still superior. I tried to take a picture of it but it's barely noticeable.
I haven't taken it to any pistol classes, dropped it, or beat up on it so I can't speak to it's durability yet. Overall, I'm very satisfied with it.
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I checked my light after reading the above post and I didn't notice the hotspot being off center at least on my G21. Then again I tightened the screw just tight enough. It's wayyy more solid than before so it should be fine. I never had a flying APL.
Hows the new version holding up for everyone? Does anyone know if the reported battery drain issues were fixed?
Hows the new version holding up for everyone? Does anyone know if the reported battery drain issues were fixed?
It has been just about two months since I received my revised model APL and the light output has stayed the same, with no discernible battery drain. I am happy with it, no issues with mine at all.
I just got my Gen 2 APL. Mounted on a Glock it has some wobble to it. Is that normal? The screw is as tight as it can be.
I just got my Gen 2 APL. Mounted on a Glock it has some wobble to it. Is that normal? The screw is as tight as it can be.
Did you swap out the adapter? It locks up great on my VP9.
Did you swap out the adapter? It locks up great on my VP9.
The instructions say for universal rails to remove it. It won't fit if I leave it in place.
The instructions say for universal rails to remove it. It won't fit if I leave it in place.
Man; that is unfortunate. I get OCD about things like this (though I know it doesn't/ or shouldn't matter).
vereceleritas
11-27-14, 14:50
Mine locks up tight. No wobble on a VP9 and Springfield 1911 but they're both Picatinny spec rails. I don't have any Glock rails to try.
Mine locks up tight. No wobble on a VP9 and Springfield 1911 but they're both Picatinny spec rails. I don't have any Glock rails to try.
Hmm... I tried it on Gen 4 and Gen 3 Glocks of varying size. I'll try a metal framed pistol later today. It's not horribly loose - there is just some play/movement. The X300 I've used for several years on duty is the same way and it doesn't affect function. I'll just shoot the crap out of it and see how it goes.
Thanks gents.
Tried it with the pic rail insert on a steel frame Beretta and it's rock solid. I'm thinking the wobble is a universal rail and/or Glock thing.
Will the APL fit the shorter rails on compact pistols? Thx...
Tomac
Will the APL fit the shorter rails on compact pistols? Thx...
Tomac
Unfortunately, no. Tried it on a M&P9compact, slides off. Called Emissive, the company that makes it and they said its not designed to fit on compacts. Too bad as I love it on the full size M&P.
Will order a Streamlight tlr-3 for the compact
Unfortunately, no. Tried it on a M&P9compact, slides off. Called Emissive, the company that makes it and they said its not designed to fit on compacts. Too bad as I love it on the full size M&P.
Will order a Streamlight tlr-3 for the compact
Well....an m&p9c was what I was gonna put it on. Darn guess I'll "have" to go get a FS now :D
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