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Many people are suggesting I should buy a BCM upper while you get the BCG and compensator included. I presume if I were to get a complete upper and a complete lower the only "building" would be fitting the two together and pushing in the pins. So my questions are:
1. Is that correct about "building"?
2. With so very very many BCM uppers how do I figure out which one is the right one?
3. Where are good places to shop for a complete lower?
What are your needs for the rifle? And for a complete lower I've read that g&r tactical is where you need to go for that.
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Nightstalker865
09-20-14, 20:03
Just pick up a BCM complete lower from Grant.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Beat Trash
09-20-14, 20:05
1) I wouldn't call that "building", but yes.
2) This REALLY depends on your intended usage of the gun.
3) Google search will show you a few options for buying a BCM lower. G&R, Midwest Industries, and a few others are out there. G&R will get in blem lowers that are cheaper. The "blemish" isn't that big of a deal. Assuming you can even find it. Definitely worth the cost savings.
I want a "have fun" rifle. I'll never be shooting long range. I don't have the eyesight for it. I won't be shooting competition with it, just going to the range now and then. I want the option for folding sights, an optic, and maybe a light or laser eventually. When I get too old to enjoy it I'll pass it along to my grandson.
well its only the 16" uppers that come with the free muzzle device. there are no non free float 16 uppers in stock, only 14.5 (these are sold with out hand guards) id suggest one of these
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-mid-16-bfh-kmr13.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-KeyMod-KMR13-p/bcm-urg-mid-16elwf-kmr13.htm
one is lighter the other is CFH, unfortunately we still have to choose! here is the lower suggested from "grant"
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
plouffedaddy
09-20-14, 20:50
well its only the 16" uppers that come with the free muzzle device. there are no non free float 16 uppers in stock, only 14.5 (these are sold with out hand guards) id suggest one of these
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-16-Mid-Length-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-mid-16-bfh-kmr13.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-KeyMod-KMR13-p/bcm-urg-mid-16elwf-kmr13.htm
one is lighter the other is CFH, unfortunately we still have to choose! here is the lower suggested from "grant"
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Yup. Those uppers at those prices are hard (maybe impossible) to beat for a "do everything well" type rifle.
Many people are suggesting I should buy a BCM upper while you get the BCG and compensator included. I presume if I were to get a complete upper and a complete lower the only "building" would be fitting the two together and pushing in the pins. So my questions are:
1. Is that correct about "building"?
2. With so very very many BCM uppers how do I figure out which one is the right one?
3. Where are good places to shop for a complete lower?
1- Buying a fully assembled upper really means you just push in the takedown pins and drive on. Not much building.
2- Look at the base options first, before you get hung up on the rails fore end, tubes, keymod, options..
- Barrel length 14.5", 16", 18", or 20"
- Gas system- carbine, mid, rifle
- Barrel profile- lightweight, gov't profile, stainless
If you want a "fun rifle" for knock around general purpose range fun, I would go with a 16", mid-length, lightweight. Soft shooting, light, fun for hours, no pinned muzzle device or NFA worries. With those base options settled, you can fuss over which fore end to wrap it all up in.
3- G&R Tactical (site sponsor) is the go to source for Bravo lowers (blemished or not).
here are the basic bcm uppers. make sure you select the free bolt carrier group, you also cant go wrong with a colt. you will save about 2-300 dollars vs bcm if you go with the one i linked. with the bcm you have to pay shipping from 2 vendors, buy a charging handle, sights, and magazine.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-mid-14lw.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-mid-16lw.htm
great deal, sale on colt 6720
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/17847/s/colt-ar-15-5-56nato-16-carbine-pencil-barrel/category/4345/
BCM is probably my favorite manufacturer. Having said that, given what you've said, you might be the perfect candidate for a Colt 6920. You can easily switch out the drop in hand guard to whatever you decide you want (examples: magpul, quad rail, or keymod etc.) The base 6920 is a great carbine for someone who is new to the platform and just wants a fun gun. whatever you do, if you're buying from BCM or Colt, you should be good to go.
All good replies here! For a great, reliable "Have Fun Rifle", BCM is a great choice, along with PSA, even Ares Armor has great deals on great uppers. My BCM (20" Govt Profile) and PSA (16" M4 contoured) uppers are fantastic quality. More fun without spending much money! :)
At the end of the day it looks like this, with the MBUS PRO sights option, for $1530, may be the easiest and best option.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=750-780
At the end of the day it looks like this, with the MBUS PRO sights option, for $1530, may be the easiest and best option.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=750-780
its awesome that bcm is selling complete kmr rifles with top tier components like alg trigger and b5 stocks out of the box. got to love them for that! im not sure they make a recce rifle that has the ELW or even LW profile, kind of a turn off. if i suggested this rifle personally to a friend, i wouldnt want to be around for the buyers remorse when they find out about complete rifle tax and ELW fluted upppers!
here are the basic bcm uppers. make sure you select the free bolt carrier group, you also cant go wrong with a colt. you will save about 2-300 dollars vs bcm if you go with the one i linked. with the bcm you have to pay shipping from 2 vendors, buy a charging handle, sights, and magazine.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-mid-14lw.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-LIGHT-WEIGHT-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-mid-16lw.htm
great deal, sale on colt 6720
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/17847/s/colt-ar-15-5-56nato-16-carbine-pencil-barrel/category/4345/
That is a crazy price on the colt 6720. You can't get much better than that.
Complete rifle tax?
yes, it is a federal excise tax of 11 percent i believe. i think its rolled into the total price and not at check out?
http://bit.ly/1ylcx4B
Ok, good to know that. Thanks.
Ok, good to know that. Thanks.
no problem. one more way for them to stick it to us, right? :mad:
fyi i couldnt find one link that explained it and the google search url was really long. did not mean to be insulting with the LMGTFY link, i especially like the "was that so hard?" part :lol:
Well, maybe I'll go back to the upper / lower idea. That way I only pay 11% on the lower. I wish someone could go back and talk to Jefferson about what's in store so they could do a few things better from the beginning. Thanks to everyone for all the input and help so far. It's beneficial and appreciated.
you said it brother! the colt 6720 posted earlier is a very safe bet. you cant own just one, and a colt lower is always cool. gandrtactical sells the colt lowers for $500, to give you an idea of what theyre worth (to some people). I bought a 6920 and put the upper on a psa lower for a beater/truck gun.
The 11% excise tax on firearms was lobbied for by sportsman to pay for Hunter Safety courses, build ranges and other benefits. Next time you go to a public range and only have to pay $5 or $10 to shoot or join a nice club for only a couple of hundred dollars a year to shoot at a nice place, or send your child to a hunter safety course, just remember all that would be much more expensive if it wasn't for the excise tax and the law that directs how the money is spent and what fees can be charged
I purchased a 16" 410 SS/13" KMR upper. I installed my 1-4 Accupoint. It's quickly becoming one of my favorite uppers. If you will be shooting magnified optics, it's a solid option.
If you want lighter, handier, I would recommend the ELW upper with KMR 13.
Though, personally, for the price, a factory Colt like linked would be a great score. Tax should be included in the price. No sales tax unless you live in their state.
You'll pay shipping and transfer few at your FFL. It's a great deal.
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I don't get why the 6920 is always recommended when the 6720 is an option. 6720 is lighter and less expensive than the 6920.
It isn't always cheaper. And simply being lighter isn't always best. Depends on the user's needs. Typically lighter barrels open up after fewer rounds, get larger shifts with a can, and heat up faster. It's a trade off either way.
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It isn't always cheaper. And simply being lighter isn't always best. Depends on the user's needs. Typically lighter barrels open up after fewer rounds, get larger shifts with a can, and heat up faster. It's a trade off either way.
The OP mentioned eyesight as a probable limitation at range, which makes the 6720 immediately in the discussion. That accuracy delta is really small (take a look at the M4CIV profile on the 6920, and realize that most of the thicker barrel contour is where you see it, the rest is really thin so that extra steel is more helpful as a heat sink than buying tons of precision), so for the weight the 6720 is absolutely in the discussion - I'd argue that longer handguards (and the cost of grafting them onto a Colt Carbine) are the reason to really look at buying elsewhere anyway (until Sprawl Mart starts carrying 6720-MOEs as a really common option).
The ELW/KMR 16" straight from BCM right now is the upper I'd go with, snag a complete lower from G&R (or elsewhere) or build up a different lower, and drive on.
Down the road, a decent light and an Aimpoint PRO (or used M2/M3 or EOTech 123A powered, or ideally AP H1/T1) and that's a true do-everything carbine.
The OP mentioned eyesight as a probable limitation at range, which makes the 6720 immediately in the discussion. That accuracy delta is really small (take a look at the M4CIV profile on the 6920, and realize that most of the thicker barrel contour is where you see it, the rest is really thin so that extra steel is more helpful as a heat sink than buying tons of precision), so for the weight the 6720 is absolutely in the discussion - I'd argue that longer handguards (and the cost of grafting them onto a Colt Carbine) are the reason to really look at buying elsewhere anyway (until Sprawl Mart starts carrying 6720-MOEs as a really common option).
The ELW/KMR 16" straight from BCM right now is the upper I'd go with, snag a complete lower from G&R (or elsewhere) or build up a different lower, and drive on.
Down the road, a decent light and an Aimpoint PRO (or used M2/M3 or EOTech 123A powered, or ideally AP H1/T1) and that's a true do-everything carbine.
I never said it wasn't in the discussion. You didn't read the post I responded to, or my previous post.
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