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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/07/commission-says-christian-business-owners-should-leave-religion-at-home/
The Human Rights Commission in Lexington, Kentucky has a chilling message for Christian business owners who refuse service to LGBT organizations: leave your religion at home.
“It would be safe to do so, yes,” Executive Director Raymond Sexton told me. “Or in this case you can find yourself two years down the road and you’re still involved in a legal battle because you did not do so.”
I do not believe for one minute that a majority of America has suddenly decided that homosexuals are the best thing since toilet paper, that they are somehow a magically exalted, very special group by whom their mere existence require the neutralizing of your right to refuse service to them, or apparently anyone, based upon your very reasonable religious beliefs...
Take just a moment and let that sink in – a Christian business owner is being ordered to attend diversity training – because of his religious beliefs. That’s a pretty frightening concept and a mighty dangerous precedent.
When you look closely at the so-called social advance of homosexuality in America over the past decade, you will discover a very troubling trend, homosexuals losing one state level public voting initiative after another, only to be immediately followed up by an activist jurist stepping in and neutralizing the will of "We The People!" Consider, they knew or at least they should have known, that they were going to lose same sex marriage initiatives in every state prior to any vote taking place, including in the biggest loss of all, California! Yet, these votes were allowed to proceed anyway, in which we can now just assume, results were never intended to be allowed to stand if the vote was unfavorable to the advancement to the agenda! Translation, these widely opposed "gay agenda" initiatives were really nothing more then laboratory like fishing expeditions, intended to gauge the true level of public opposition to such a deviant minority desire. Understand, your vote was, and remains meaningless, they were going to ram it down your throat regardless...
That is what we call totalitarianism, that is textbook Marxist social engineering...
So if Christian business owners should leave their "religion" at home, why shouldn't homosexuals leave their "agenda" at home.
Essentially the bottom line is this is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should not take precedence over the other. They should, all things and people "being equal" cancel each other out. But for the last half century we have had a system of "favoritism" and "preferred citizens" so the obvious contradictions should be expected I guess.
So if Christian business owners should leave their "religion" at home, why shouldn't homosexuals leave their "agenda" at home.
Essentially the bottom line is this is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should not take precedence over the other. They should, all things and people "being equal" cancel each other out. But for the last half century we have had a system of "favoritism" and "preferred citizens" so the obvious contradictions should be expected I guess.
Its a belief system vs a state sponsored belief system, and it is likely one of the most overtly massive social engineering schemes in human history, it reeks of conspiracy...I have nothing against homosexuality, I really don't concern myself with what others may wish to do in the privacy of their own bedroom, but this isn't the privacy of one's own bedroom, is it now! Its deeply manipulative and sinister...
Its a belief system vs a state sponsored belief system, and it is likely one of the most overtly massive social engineering schemes in human history, it reeks of conspiracy...I have nothing against homosexuality, I really don't concern myself with what others may wish to do in the privacy of their own bedroom, but this isn't the privacy of one's own bedroom, is it now! Its deeply manipulative and sinister...
If you want to qualify, it's a "religious belief system" vs. a "social belief system", but at the bottom line it is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should never take priority or precedence over the other. But that would require actual "equality" which is something that has never actually existed in this country so far.
Moose-Knuckle
10-14-14, 17:56
Yet halal and kosher markets/stores are still allowed to deny me my rights to pornography, pork, and liquor.
Belmont31R
10-14-14, 18:34
Just using gays to subvert traditional values and what many people see as American.
If you want to qualify, it's a "religious belief system" vs. a "social belief system", but at the bottom line it is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should never take priority or precedence over the other. But that would require actual "equality" which is something that has never actually existed in this country so far.
Its just what has occurred, I'm comfortable with either your interpretation or mine. The state through its judicial princes, completely usurped the democratic process and is proceeding merrily along to its next round of totalitarian edicts...
Whiskey_Bravo
10-14-14, 20:55
Yet halal and kosher markets/stores are still allowed to deny me my rights to pornography, pork, and liquor.
There is a halal place not all that far from where I live, actually called haji. I think I should start going in on a regular basis and asking where the bacon and whiskey is, or where the bacon flavored whiskey is.
Yet halal and kosher markets/stores are still allowed to deny me my rights to pornography, pork, and liquor.
that's blasphemy....I too need porn and liquor...its more romantic that way
BoringGuy45
10-14-14, 22:11
The difference between people like me and people like that: If I go into a business and the owner says "Get your Bible thumping, Jesus freak ass out of my shop!" I write this shop off as one that won't get my business, I will very actively encourage people to stay away from it, and I will go elsewhere.
But if that shop owner came into my business and I said, "Get your worthless liberal ass out of my shop!" He'd have an army of lawyers there the next day demanding that I pay thousands for the emotional damage that I caused him by being mean, thousands to the people who overheard me yell at him and have PTSD as a result, free merchandise for life as part of the settlement, a court order that I attend hundreds of hours of sensitivity and diversity training, and have an injunction put on me that does not allow me to refuse service to anyone for any reason for the rest of my life.
Belmont31R
10-14-14, 22:17
Support of gays in this manner is what I've talked about before with the intentional undermining of traditional western values, and replacing them with ideology that erodes the foundation of a nation.
Then the traditional types, which are the foundation of the country, basically have no place to go. Didn't start a thread on it but the city of Houston is trying to summon transcripts of sermons from area churches, and people who don't fit into the liberal mold are finding themselves relegated to some suburban areas, and mostly rural areas outside the jurisdiction of pretty much any big city.
People who won't toe the line to liberalism are finding less and less places to live without fear of retribution or being forced into re-education camps AKA diversity training. If I were this business owner I would pull up shop and move. This one guy/business isn't going to win against this 'commission' AKA people's court anytime soon. The courts are too busy eroding our other rights to give a **** about people being forced into camps because their beliefs didn't jive with the liberal group think.
You all don't know a damn thing about re-education programs. I was in a diversity training session where the group had to sing "We Shall Overcome". In another one the speaker said that there was an inverse relationship between melanin and intelligence. Yet another one gave a list of words to avoid. I remember that burly and articulate were adjectives to avoid, and that barbecue and fried chicken must not be said in conjunction with the word water melon. You should not describe a black person as articulate unless it might be thought that blacks were not articulate except for this most unusual one in question. I got a big laugh when I was in such a meeting and a black colleague was taking a snooze. The principal came in and woke the guy up to promote him.
So if Christian business owners should leave their "religion" at home, why shouldn't homosexuals leave their "agenda" at home.
Essentially the bottom line is this is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should not take precedence over the other. They should, all things and people "being equal" cancel each other out. But for the last half century we have had a system of "favoritism" and "preferred citizens" so the obvious contradictions should be expected I guess.
This exactly. Unfortunately lately, some animals have apparently become more equal than others.
Ouroborous
10-14-14, 23:44
There is a halal place not all that far from where I live, actually called haji. I think I should start going in on a regular basis and asking where the bacon and whiskey is, or where the bacon flavored whiskey is.
That's racist...unless you do it while being gay that is.
I'm pretty sure we need some shirts made. About 10 million should do...
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You all don't know a damn thing about re-education programs. I was in a diversity training session where the group had to sing "We Shall Overcome". In another one the speaker said that there was an inverse relationship between melanin and intelligence. Yet another one gave a list of words to avoid. I remember that burly and articulate were adjectives to avoid, and that barbecue and fried chicken must not be said in conjunction with the word water melon. You should not describe a black person as articulate unless it might be thought that blacks were not articulate except for this most unusual one in question. I got a big laugh when I was in such a meeting and a black colleague was taking a snooze. The principal came in and woke the guy up to promote him.
I'd have never made it. My only salvation would be to inform them I was "black" and that everyone in the room was being RACIST towards me and that I wasn't going to put up with it any longer.
Thank god my great, great whatever was black...and Native American...and Eskimo...and a bunch of other stuff.
Seriously diversity training programs are some of the most blatantly racists things I've ever seen. If you simply swap the race variables you quickly end up with a KKK rally. That they are mandated by employers and often government sponsored just shows the extent of the incredibly offensive level of racism that is accepted as "normal."
How about this gem... and folks think Texas will last another ten years before falling to the Dems.
The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/14/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons/
And there goes free speech, freedom of religion, etc.
And there goes free speech, freedom of religion, etc.
And to think, not one riot in protest... Nothing. Not even a homeless guy with a sign.
We don't deserve what liberty we use to have.
The_War_Wagon
10-15-14, 06:49
Remarkably, I've never been able to so much as pinch a loaf of 'care,' about what a, "Human Rights Commission," thinks about ANYTHING... :dirol:
Ouroborous
10-15-14, 08:33
How about this gem... and folks think Texas will last another ten years before falling to the Dems.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/14/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons/
The 501.3c tax exempt status at work. Makes it so the churches have to adhere to whatever the state mandates including this.
WWJD?
BoringGuy45
10-15-14, 09:21
How about this gem... and folks think Texas will last another ten years before falling to the Dems.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/14/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons/
This is begging for case law. Clear cut violation of the 1st Amendment.
Hot topic alert! I should probably avoid, but that isn't in my nature. As a Christian business owner, I have ZERO issue helping ANY group of people with anything. I have had several Gay/lesbian couples in my store and go out of my way to be nice to them and give sound advice. With that said, the ones I have dealt with NEVER made any mention of their sexual orientation (nor should they as it has ZERO to do with buying a firearm).
What is odd to me is that Straight people do not act like SOME in the G/L community. It would be like a straight male or female going into a restaurant and saying that they like to have sex with the opposite gender and want them to make a special cake with them making out on top of it. Said NO straight person EVER!
C4
brickboy240
10-15-14, 11:37
To those outside of Texas that don't know better...
Yes...it is no secret that the inner city areas of larger Texas cities like Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas are run by libs and that has been the case for a very long time.
They always try (key word...try) to enact all sorts of crazy things in their last term (when they are about to leave due to term limits). Dallas' mayor and San Antonio's former mayor have tried to pass all sorts of liberal garbage with little results.
However, the suburbs of cities like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and yes...even Austin are full of some of the most conservative and libertarian peoples you will ever meet.
So nope...sorry this does NOT mean Texas is about to fall to the homos or liberals at all. This is nothing new for liberal politicians that get elected to our few urban leftist enclaves.
The difference is...these types are in a slim minority and don't run the whole freaking state, like the leftist wackos do in states like CA, NY and MA.
I would not worry...that action by Mayor Parker is getting blowback and resistance here like you would not believe. It is going nowhere and it is actually doing her great damage in the public eye in Houston.
I live here...you don't...I should know.
-brickboy240
To those outside of Texas that don't know better...
Yes...it is no secret that the inner city areas of larger Texas cities like Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas are run by libs and that has been the case for a very long time.
They always try (key word...try) to enact all sorts of crazy things in their last term (when they are about to leave due to term limits). Dallas' mayor and San Antonio's former mayor have tried to pass all sorts of liberal garbage with little results.
However, the suburbs of cities like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and yes...even Austin are full of some of the most conservative and libertarian peoples you will ever meet.
So nope...sorry this does NOT mean Texas is about to fall to the homos or liberals at all. This is nothing new for liberal politicians that get elected to our few urban leftist enclaves.
The difference is...these types are in a slim minority and don't run the whole freaking state, like the leftist wackos do in states like CA, NY and MA.
I would not worry...that action by Mayor Parker is getting blowback and resistance here like you would not believe. It is going nowhere and it is actually doing her great damage in the public eye in Houston.
I live here...you don't...I should know.
-brickboy240
You need to humble yourself a little. Puffing up like a rooster & thinking that Texas is immune from a Liberal takeover is ridiculous. There's no doubt that the Progressives have a hard-on for TX. I feel safe in saying that converting TX is their #1 priority of states to convert. Perry has opened the flood gates to California business for relocation with all kinds of incentives as I'm sure you're witnessing. The highly populated cities like Austin, Houston, & Dallas will eventually dominate in the polls, just like the Bay Area & So Cal does in CA. Yea, yea there are tons of us Conservatives in the rural areas, but our numbers don't compare to the concentration of "Leftist Wackos" in the big cities. Keep your guard up & never say never. It happened in CA & it can happen anywhere. You've got Liberal Californian's coming in from one end, & Obala bringing in illegals from the other. It's gonna be a rough ride for you Texans. It's all about the numbers Brickboy. Once you're outnumbered, you're fk'ed. But I do wish you success in resisting them.
To those outside of Texas that don't know better...
Yes...it is no secret that the inner city areas of larger Texas cities like Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas are run by libs and that has been the case for a very long time.
They always try (key word...try) to enact all sorts of crazy things in their last term (when they are about to leave due to term limits). Dallas' mayor and San Antonio's former mayor have tried to pass all sorts of liberal garbage with little results.
However, the suburbs of cities like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and yes...even Austin are full of some of the most conservative and libertarian peoples you will ever meet.
So nope...sorry this does NOT mean Texas is about to fall to the homos or liberals at all. This is nothing new for liberal politicians that get elected to our few urban leftist enclaves.
The difference is...these types are in a slim minority and don't run the whole freaking state, like the leftist wackos do in states like CA, NY and MA.
I would not worry...that action by Mayor Parker is getting blowback and resistance here like you would not believe. It is going nowhere and it is actually doing her great damage in the public eye in Houston.
I live here...you don't...I should know.
-brickboy240
Has anyone suggested that she eabod? If not, they should...
How about this gem... and folks think Texas will last another ten years before falling to the Dems.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/14/city-houston-demands-pastors-turn-over-sermons/
In my opinion we are through the looking glass...
To those outside of Texas that don't know better...
Yes...it is no secret that the inner city areas of larger Texas cities like Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas are run by libs and that has been the case for a very long time.
They always try (key word...try) to enact all sorts of crazy things in their last term (when they are about to leave due to term limits). Dallas' mayor and San Antonio's former mayor have tried to pass all sorts of liberal garbage with little results.
However, the suburbs of cities like Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and yes...even Austin are full of some of the most conservative and libertarian peoples you will ever meet.
So nope...sorry this does NOT mean Texas is about to fall to the homos or liberals at all. This is nothing new for liberal politicians that get elected to our few urban leftist enclaves.
The difference is...these types are in a slim minority and don't run the whole freaking state, like the leftist wackos do in states like CA, NY and MA.
I would not worry...that action by Mayor Parker is getting blowback and resistance here like you would not believe. It is going nowhere and it is actually doing her great damage in the public eye in Houston.
I live here...you don't...I should know.
-brickboy240
I would worry, who is in control of your public school curricula? Checkmate...
brickboy240
10-15-14, 13:03
Calm down...nobody is puffing up...jeez!
I am sure we have our threats but some here are writing us all off...as if they are sure we are going to fall or have fallen. People that have never lived here.
Some act as if the Houston mayor is something new...but she and her actions are not.
Texas is also on the front lines of the fight against Common Core. The biggest proponent against it (State Senator Dan Patrick) is poised to win as our new Lt. Governor. So I would also not write us off on that front either.
The sentiment that, "ha ha....see...you Texans are also going to go blue" is a little high especially from those that have never lived here.
The threat is there...but still a long ways away from taking us over.
-brickboy240
And to think, not one riot in protest... Nothing. Not even a homeless guy with a sign.
We don't deserve what liberty we use to have.
What have we "not done" to deserve this? Hell we didn't even find out until today. Am I really supposed to start shooting people? Would that restore freedom to everyone?
If a thousand of us protested it after the fact, do you think anything would actually be changed.
What do you propose we do to regain our rights and be "deserving" of them?
Alpha Sierra
10-15-14, 15:01
What do you propose we do to regain our rights and be "deserving" of them?
That sort of discussion cannot take place where the NSA can find it.
The_War_Wagon
10-15-14, 15:13
That sort of discussion cannot take place where the NSA can find it.
And remember - if voting actually "changed" anything, politicians would OUTLAW it...
ramairthree
10-15-14, 17:53
Those of you saying Texas just has some crazy liberal cities and the rest is OK...
take a look at Mass., NY, and VT. Tons of rural, conservative hard working people in those states have had college students, city dwellers, "transplants", etc. all start controlling the politics.
So if Christian business owners should leave their "religion" at home, why shouldn't homosexuals leave their "agenda" at home.
Essentially the bottom line is this is a "belief system" vs. a "belief system" and one should not take precedence over the other. They should, all things and people "being equal" cancel each other out. But for the last half century we have had a system of "favoritism" and "preferred citizens" so the obvious contradictions should be expected I guess.
Very, very well said.
What have we "not done" to deserve this? Hell we didn't even find out until today. Am I really supposed to start shooting people? Would that restore freedom to everyone?
If a thousand of us protested it after the fact, do you think anything would actually be changed.
What do you propose we do to regain our rights and be "deserving" of them?
? I think you completely missed the facetiousness of my post. At any rate liberty is a two way street one half of which requires an informed and purposefully engaged collective public to function properly. One can fault politicians and whomever else one can identify as striving to subvert the founding principles of what America is, but ultimately the fault rest with noone else but we the people.
yes destroy others rights for a 1% or less population !!!! way to go America you are in the final stages of being flushed away the attack on religion is for sure in full swing now
that and the article on the pastors in Texas not being able to preach what they want and to have people turn them in (subpoena) if they mention being gay is a sin !
Hitler is laughing in hell saying see I knew we could destroy religion and the devil is smiling big time with the way our country is headed and Mao is saying see even the political power in USA loves me and some say I am there favorite person !!!!
? I think you completely missed the facetiousness of my post. At any rate liberty is a two way street one half of which requires an informed and purposefully engaged collective public to function properly. One can fault politicians and whomever else one can identify as striving to subvert the founding principles of what America is, but ultimately the fault rest with noone else but we the people.
Ok, I thought you were being literal. But sadly we have arrived at the point where the only people who can effect change are those who are willing to destroy. The "occupy" crowd doesn't have jobs, don't take responsibility for the security of their kids and don't have property "at risk." To the contrary they have little or nothing to lose and live at the expense of the rest of us.
And we have long arrived at the point where citizens are no longer in direct control of their government or genuinely represented. Basically it would require a large segment of the population to destroy the current version of our government, and most of us would be unwilling to do that, and there is no guarantee at all that we will fix anything or get anything closer to the version of government intended by the Constitution. In all likelihood we'd probably end up with something far worse since the most predatory individuals will take advantage of the restoration process stripping away freedoms in exchange for progress as we try to return to a normal society.
Just like most people expected the "civil rights" movement to fix things, nobody understood it would be hijacked and controlled by elements who would actually perpetuate many forms of racism and make the "equality" that most hoped for virtually impossible due to the programs they put into place in the name of "equality." We now have government established racism nationwide that is every bit as wrong as Jim Crow laws that were mostly confined to parts of the south.
Everyone is willing to knock over the apple cart, almost nobody is willing to pick it up and fix it. And the ones who claim to be willing are just there to grab the best apples for themselves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793534/arkansas-gay-rights-leader-tells-hidden-camera-spy-democratic-senator-publicly-opposes-gay-marriage-privately-not-against.html
Ah, gotcha. It's all good.
Yes, it's all clear now. We gun owning, white, male, free thinking, family oriented individuals... Well, we are totally screwed.
Those of you saying Texas just has some crazy liberal cities and the rest is OK...
take a look at Mass., NY, and VT. Tons of rural, conservative hard working people in those states have had college students, city dwellers, "transplants", etc. all start controlling the politics.
That pretty much encompasses the entire country. There's a saying, as California goes, so goes the country. It should be, As the cities go, so shall the countryside.
SilverBullet432
10-16-14, 07:27
Worst thing to happen to the US? Obama. To think 50 or so years ago we hated the commies, now, theyre in the WH tearing apart the very papers that built this country.
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