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dale.gribble
10-17-14, 18:52
Anyone here buy a Colt AR15A4 from Irunguns?
I just got mine and I have a few questions.
What did your rifle come with?
Was a empty cut open bag included?(picture of bag below)
Is your Front Sight Base Marked <B>?
What does a Front Sight Base marked <B> mean?
And was your grip and hand guard beat to hell?
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UPDATE Here are the pics, you guys asked for
Here Are The Pics you guys asked for. I am very worried about the BCG and Front Sight Base. The Front Sight Base is Marked <B>1 and the BCG is Marked MP and a C on the Side with a white dot on the side also.
I have Included pics of Everything You Guys Asked For.
The Problem is I am in Canada and Here we get priced gouged. A regular 6920 goes for $1500 + here. Irunguns is a U.S Seller and now the opened a store in Canada and there prices are very close to U.S prices. I tried contacting them and got no reply. I called Colt U.S and they said they cannot help me.
Anyone know if I can get a F marked FSB from BCM or something and Install it on my rifle? I was told trying to re taper pin your barrel for a new FSB will ruin it.
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This place works a lot better if you ask before forking yourself.
dale.gribble
10-17-14, 19:46
This place works a lot better if you ask before forking yourself.
I am not sure what you mean? Forking myself?
Flankenstein
10-17-14, 20:18
PG looks fine HGs a little beat up for sure.
Fuzzy-Reticle
10-17-14, 20:33
Should have come with a gun lock, manual and colt manual and magazine. I don't think these come with slings although some colts have or do depending on model and package.
The hand guards are a little buggered but not horrible. Disappointing sure but it it is a colt and will work great for you. What did you get in the box?
The bag should have had a manual and warranty info I think.
Wouldn't worry about the hand guards, shoot and don't worry.
It is hard to get a question answered around here sometimes because of all the chest pounding. Those front hand guards should have never passed quality control. Maybe send a picture to Colt.....who knows, maybe they will send you another set. I too would like to know what "Forking oneself is" and what a "B" marked front sight is ?
donlapalma
10-18-14, 08:08
The question is: have you contacted the seller and asked them these questions? If so, what have they told you?
Can we see pics of the upper receiver (sides), roll marks on the barrel and the box please (end with the label)?
C4
Can we see pics of the upper receiver (sides), roll marks on the barrel and the box please (end with the label)?
C4
Are you suspecting they sold him a colt lower with an off brand upper?
In this case I would contact Colt and or the dealer. there have been other cases where dealers have swapped out and sold off other components to make more money.
Are you suspecting they sold him a colt lower with an off brand upper?
Possibly. Have seen this before. Would like to see more pics before passing judgement.
C4
dale.gribble
10-18-14, 15:55
Here Are The Pics you guys asked for. I am very worried about the BCG and Front Sight Base. The Front Sight Base is Marked <B>1 and the BCG is Marked MP and a C on the Side with a white dot on the side also.
I have Included pics of Everything You Guys Asked For.
The Problem is I am in Canada and Here we get priced gouged. A regular 6920 goes for $1500 + here. Irunguns is a U.S Seller and now the opened a store in Canada and there prices are very close to U.S prices. I tried contacting them and got no reply. I called Colt U.S and they said they cannot help me.
Anyone know if I can get a F marked FSB from BCM or something and Install it on my rifle? I was told trying to re taper pin your barrel for a new FSB will ruin it.
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What is that mark on the bolt?
You are good. The HG'S are just jacked up. Contact Colt.
C4
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Displaced Texan
10-18-14, 17:56
Yep, that's a legit Colt AR15A4 with dicked up handguards. Bolt and BCG are genuine Colt, too. No worries.
Personally, the gouge on the handguards wouldn't bother me, but if it drives you nuts, Colt will fix you up with a new set.
Don't worry about the FSB not being 'F' marked. It will zero properly
HackerF15E
10-18-14, 18:11
What is that mark on the bolt?
Just a dab of white paint. Common on Colt bolts in my experience.
Flankenstein
10-18-14, 19:00
Just a dab of white paint. Common on Colt bolts in my experience.
Yep. Inspection/proof mark i what I have been told. All mine have them.
Fuzzy-Reticle
10-18-14, 19:49
You are golden. Spend the $25 or whatever Canadians use for money :smile: and buy a new set of hand guards or replace with a Magpul set if it bugs you.
Yep, that's a legit Colt AR15A4 with dicked up handguards. Bolt and BCG are genuine Colt, too. No worries.
Personally, the gouge on the handguards wouldn't bother me, but if it drives you nuts, Colt will fix you up with a new set.
Don't worry about the FSB not being 'F' marked. It will zero properly
Maybe B marked for metric system?:D
Like someone else said, I'd personally replace the hand guards anyway. When you spke to Colt earlier did you mention them?
Its a legit gun with correct markings. I would simply forget about the handguard issue and move on.
F-marked FSBs are not spec'ed for A4 rifles. The sight radius is long enough that the slightly higher sight plane isn't a problem like it is on carbine length flat tops.
I have read, on multiple occasions, that M16A4's are produced with F marked FSBs. Are you certain about your comment? Why was there such an uproar when Colt began shipping the AR15a4 sans F marked FSB? Grant has gone out of his way to offer batches of A4s w F marked FSBs. I understand that the rifle will still zero with irons etc, but Im pretty sure the A4 should come with a F marked FSB.
Its a legit gun with correct markings. I would simply forget about the handguard issue and move on.
I agree, all is well. You may want to replace the hand guard with an aftermarket such as Magpul anyway. http://store.magpul.com/category/184 Lots of people do. They don't cost much and they offer many advantages.
F-marked FSBs are not spec'ed for A4 rifles. The sight radius is long enough that the slightly higher sight plane isn't a problem like it is on carbine length flat tops.
What do you mean by this?
M16A4s come with an F marked FSB.
Heavy Metal
10-20-14, 19:35
What do you mean by this?
M16A4s come with an F marked FSB.
It isn't necessary, It will zero as well as an M16A2.
It isn't necessary, It will zero as well as an M16A2.
Yes I already know this.
Exactly...the fact that it will zero isn't the point. It's not to spec. Half the reason I want to own one of these is because it's as close to a quality m16a4 as I can get as a civilian. Not including an f marked fsb on all ar15a4's that went out the door was a pitiful (and uncharacteristic) oversight on colts part. I'm a big colt fan, btw! Thanks to grant for hooking us up w the f marked fsb option. The rifle will zero, but the m16a4 has f marked fsb.
Colt dropped the ball on this once again.
1. It has no F marked FSB
2. It has M4 feedramps which nobody asked for
3. It has a lame roll mark.
buckkiller35
10-21-14, 00:17
I just received a new Colt 6720 and it does not have the F marked FSB.
Colt dropped the ball on this once again.
1. It has no F marked FSB
2. It has M4 feedramps which nobody asked for
3. It has a lame roll mark.
My sample has an F marked FSB. The m4 ramps don't hurt anything and the roll mark seems fine.
I believe I heard somewhere that the Mk12 was designed with m4 feed ramps to aid in loading of longer match rounds. Ill have to find that bit of info, could help on the A4 as well.
I am aware of the feed ramp and the roll mark issues. While irritating, those aren't a deal breaker for me. I just can't live w a non f marked FSB. I surely want a colt a4, though. I'm still saving and will bug grant when the money gets stacked up. I don't know what it is about the classic stoner rifle, but I've been bit by the nostalgia bug, of late. Though it's doubtful, it would be killer if colt did an a1 and/or a2 as well!
Back on track... Just want to agree w a few others. Op, without question, that is a legit colt a4 w trashed hand guards.
What's wrong with the roll mark?
It says AR-15A4, is that not what it is?
What's wrong with the roll mark?
It says AR-15A4, is that not what it is?
I think some people won't be happy with it unless it says M16A4 on the side. :confused:
What does the F mark mean?
@foxtrot:
now we're talking! why doesn't it, again? Im sure there is a fantastic reason, but it escapes me. Colt's stoner rifle with carbine length gas system is roll marked m4 carbine??
also, its not the fact that the rifle is roll marked ar15a4, some people don't like that it doesn't have the LE designation. But again, I don't care about that. Im just peeved at the lack of a F marked FSB (per m16a4 spec).
wildcard600
10-21-14, 17:55
What does the F mark mean?
it is used to indicate a FSB that is designed for use with a flat top upper.
Shouldn't it also have an "H" Buffer?
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Shouldn't it also have an "H" Buffer?
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It has an A2 buffer/stock assembly, not a carbine.
What's wrong with the roll mark?
It says AR-15A4, is that not what it is?
They simply took a 6720 roll mark and removed the "Lightweight LE Carbine" writing while still keeping the CAR serial number prefix.
What was asked for was a gun marked:
AR-15A4
Government Rifle
Anyone here buy a Colt AR15A4 from Irunguns?
I just got mine and I have a few questions.
What did your rifle come with?
Was a empty cut open bag included?(picture of bag below)
Is your Front Sight Base Marked <B>?
What does a Front Sight Base marked <B> mean?
And was your grip and hand guard beat to hell?
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There is nothing wrong with the handguard. That irregular area is from it being trimmed from the mold.
ScatmanCrothers
10-21-14, 18:38
What was asked for was a gun marked:
AR-15A4
Government Rifle
What's the significance here?
What's the significance here?
Ten years ago this movement started to have Colt make a semi auto M16A4 clone.
That was the marking that was asked for. Colt failed to deliver.
Colt took the laziest path possible to make this gun. It was 10 years late and wasn't made how we wanted it.
Fuzzy-Reticle
10-21-14, 20:52
Why I built a clone using a BCM upper.
wildcard600
10-21-14, 21:00
Why I built a clone using a BCM upper.
That's the route I'm taking as well. Its too bad, I wouldn't mind a Colt in the stable but not going to pay more for less just for the pony on the side.
Fuzzy-Reticle
10-21-14, 21:08
That's the route I'm taking as well. Its too bad, I wouldn't mind a Colt in the stable but not going to pay more for less just for the pony on the side.
Exactly. Locally the Colt is over $1200. I am super happy with my build and I got less than $850 into it.
The Colt is an excellent rifle no doubt and the OP should be proud of it and it will serve him well.
Flankenstein
02-02-15, 17:06
Ten years ago this movement started to have Colt make a semi auto M16A4 clone.
That was the marking that was asked for. Colt failed to deliver.
Colt took the laziest path possible to make this gun. It was 10 years late and wasn't made how we wanted it.
M16A4 roll mark would be sweet.
Not that roll marks are a big deal, but I don't like the new " M4 carbine". I much prefer the Old LEO markings with or with out the restriction mark.
It's a great Colt gun, made by Colt the way Colt wanted to make it. It's good to go.
The white dot on the BCG is confusing, but many of mine have the same. You know you got a Colt for sure. Because who else would put that goofy shit on their BCG.
Those hand guards suck. Replace them. But it will get more jacked up with a range session. I bought two BCM lowers from Grant once. One blemished one pure perfect. Picked them up from LGS, DROPPED the Un-blemished one in parking lot scratched the shit out of it. The blemished looked perfect. Moral of story, you gotta a gun with character. Lock and load champ.
Flankenstein
02-03-15, 11:01
Not that roll marks are a big deal, but I don't like the new " M4 carbine". I much prefer the Old LEO markings with or with out the restriction mark.
It's a great Colt gun, made by Colt the way Colt wanted to make it. It's good to go.
The white dot on the BCG is confusing, but many of mine have the same. You know you got a Colt for sure. Because who else would put that goofy shit on their BCG.
Those hand guards suck. Replace them. But it will get more jacked up with a range session. I bought two BCM lowers from Grant once. One blemished one pure perfect. Picked them up from LGS, DROPPED the Un-blemished one in parking lot scratched the shit out of it. The blemished looked perfect. Moral of story, you gotta a gun with character. Lock and load champ.
I think most really like the M4 Carbine roll mark...I sure do.
You'll never be able to please everyone :)
I'm sure some folks have Colt tattoos - kind of their own personal rollmark :D
I think most really like the M4 Carbine roll mark...I sure do.
You'll never be able to please everyone :)
I, too, really like the new Colt "M4 Carbine" and pony roll mark. Probably my favorite roll mark in existence, actually.
Cincinnatus15
02-04-15, 14:13
I, too, really like the new Colt "M4 Carbine" and pony roll mark. Probably my favorite roll mark in existence, actually.
Here's my favorite..
I am aware of the feed ramp and the roll mark issues. While irritating, those aren't a deal breaker for me. I just can't live w a non f marked FSB. I surely want a colt a4, though. I'm still saving and will bug grant when the money gets stacked up. I don't know what it is about the classic stoner rifle, but I've been bit by the nostalgia bug, of late. Though it's doubtful, it would be killer if colt did an a1 and/or a2 as well!
Back on track... Just want to agree w a few others. Op, without question, that is a legit colt a4 w trashed hand guards.
Hand guards arent "trashed" just blemished a little. If the front sight base is such a huge deal (don't understand why), just buy an F marked sight base for $25 bucks and swap it out no big deal. People get way too emotional about their rifle being a perfect clone or not...Its a genuine Colt A4 but doesn't have an f marked sight base, big freagn deal
ScatmanCrothers
02-04-15, 19:14
Hand guards arent "trashed" just blemished a little. If the front sight base is such a huge deal (don't understand why), just buy an F marked sight base for $25 bucks and swap it out no big deal. People get way too emotional about their rifle being a perfect clone or not...Its a genuine Colt A4 but doesn't have an f marked sight base, big freagn deal
That's not how FSB's work. They are individually drilled and are not just mix and match-able.
Surprised this thread made it back to the front page.
I was looking at the photo of the FSB and the uproar over the <B>1 mark and it made me chuckle. My new 6920 has the same mark on the RH side; on the other side there is a F mark stamped in it, but it was faint enough when I first went looking for it I thought I got hosed! When you're old like me you almost need a flashlight to see it. Anyway, I finally got to go out and shoot. Forgot my earplugs and my targets at home, so I had to sub some paper plates and steelhead yarn stuffed in my ears...glad I was alone!
On the note of Colt rollmarks, the 2007 LE6920/Property of US govt. mistake lower that is floating around the webs is a Colt fan's wet dream. Really cool....
The serial number was verified by Colt, it's a mistake not a repro.
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I'm not 100% sure it's a mistake..
Sounds odd that the lower has a large FCG, I was under the impression that Colt switched completely to milspec pins in 2008.. 2x mistakes in one lower?
Displaced Texan
02-05-15, 11:05
I'm
I'm not 100% sure it's a mistake..
Sounds odd that the lower has a large FCG, I was under the impression that Colt switched completely to milspec pins in 2008.. 2x mistakes in one lower?
Who knows when the lower was actually made. Could have been produced prior to '08, and been sitting in a bin somewhere.
Personally, I don't know why people are getting their panties in a twist over some of the AR-15A4 uppers not having a 'F' marked FSB.
The rifle will still zero perfectly.
I have one of these non 'F' marked FSB uppers. Almost no difference between it and my PSA 20" CHF upper as far as zero goes. I use one carry handle between the two uppers and there is virtually no difference between BZO.
Here's my favorite..
legendary!
Flankenstein
02-07-15, 21:16
Are these shipping with F marked FSBs across the board now or is still hit and miss?
Flankenstein
02-09-15, 16:04
Are these shipping with F marked FSBs across the board now or is still hit and miss?
I called Colt and was told that everything shipping since the first of the year (and even late last year) is F marked.
Here's my favorite..
Please tell me that is true, that it exists. Now I'm going to be googling and thinking about that. Where is it?
I guess that's like an AA confession around M4C. :)
Hi M4C, I'm Herkemer, and I'm a casual Roll Mark Whore.....
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