Must have tools for AR building? [Archive]

Eurodriver

10-21-14, 19:50

I'm specifically referring to assembling AR15s in 5.56mm.

What tools would you say are must haves? Obviously a bench vise, torque wrench, and a good set of punches will go very far but what about AR specific tools such as the reaction rod and an armorers tool?

There are dozens of threads on individual tools, but nothing I could find where all of it can be found in one thread.

I am starting from scratch here shortly. Just me, my toolbox, and a workbench. I want to buy quality tools that will allow me to assemble AR15s. What should I buy?

Best armorers tool? Why?

Best way to attach uppers and lowers to a vice? Best torque wrench? Any other tips and tricks you'd wish you had known if you had to start completely over and reinvest in all new tooling.

GH41

10-21-14, 20:06

You don't mention a budget. $700 for good vise is a start. Another $750 for good tools. Hard to justify for a couple of builds a year. Quit fooling yourself and get a good job and pay a pro to do it.

ScottsBad

10-21-14, 20:16

There is always a quality vs. cost issue. If you are a gunsmith buy the best tools. If you are a hobbyist buy decent quality tools. There is what you can get by with if you are building a couple rifles or what you might buy if you are building several and have the money to spend on better tools. You could spend a ton of money on tools.

1. You need a good quality bench vise. I have a big 5" Wilton that I love. You will also need various jaw guards.

2. Lower vise block, I made one out of an old 20 round magazine.

3. Upper vice block I have a polymer DPMS block. I don't use it for barrel nut tightening.

4. Geissele reaction rod or Brownnell's version. I have the Brownnell's version which was available before the G version. I ground flats on the end of it to put into the vise.

5. Bolt vise. One of the most useful tools I ever bought at Brownnell's. Makes it easy to remove the ejector and hold the bolt for removing the extractor.

6. Standard barrel nut wrench with 1/2 inch drive. Buy a heavy duty one, some come with a muzzle device slot.

7. Castle nut wrench. Buy a heavy one, the cheap ones will damage your castle nut and possibly your RE (Ask me how I know). BCM's KMR barrel nut wrench is also a castle nut wrench and is heavy duty.

8. Good quality set of punches.

9. Armorer's hammer, rubber mallet, plastic hammer, Etc.

10. Small torque wrenches, you can buy individual ones and go broke, but get perfect results, OR you can buy a Borka tool and get decent torque values.

11. Large torque wrench 1/2". This is for the barrel nut and castle nut mainly. You can also use it on the muzzle device (I don't). But as a contrarian I don't believe you need to spend a fortune. Why? Because the torque range is huge for an AR barrel nut. Just try to keep it at the lower end of the range and you should be fine. Shoot for 40-50 lbs.

12. Bench block for driving pins.

13. Hex and Torx wrenches.

14. A heat gun for heating to expand parts when the fit is too tight.

15. Dremel. You will find that you use it pretty frequently for cutting, polishing, and grinding.

16. I almost forgot, head space gauge.

This is the stuff I keep around YMMV. I've added some of this stuff over time and not all of it is essential, but there are times some non-essential tools seem essential if you do this enough.

ryantx23

10-21-14, 20:18

Go to one of Iraqgunz's armorers classes. His company is called semperparatusarms. From his website he has a recommended tool list, you'll need at least that. Another good investment is a hammerhead rifle tool. I would pickup a good used vise from craigslist and get a good breaker bar or torque wrench. Then get a Geissele reaction rod or the new Magpul equivalent. Next pick up a vise block tool for the magwell / lower and you'd be sitting pretty good. I bought some handmade roll pin starter punches on fleabay a few weeks ago and so far they work great. Ymmv... IG will be along soon to add more when he is done watching Dancing with the Stars or Dirty Dancing.

jmnielsen

10-21-14, 20:19

Don't know who the hell uses a $700 dollar vice, but I guess whatever floats your boat. I have a bench vise that I bought at harbor freight that works fantastic with a wheeler engineering upper receiver vice block and a 'no-mar' vice block to use with my mega billet upper. I've put together about a dozen or so rifles and have no issues with any of them. My punches are steel punches from harbor freight and I have a ball peen hammer from HF. I have an armorers wrench, a craftsman torque wrench, and an upper receiver lapping tool. I also have the wheeler engineering lower receiver magwell block, but mainly because it has a nice built in tool for taking apart bolts and getting the ejector out.

And for those that think you can't do it right without expensive tools, I actually just went and shot my 6.8 SPC I put together and shot a .36" group at 100 yards when I was working on some loads. Definitely nothing to slouch at.

TXBK

10-21-14, 20:45

Armorer's Course (http://www.semperparatusarms.com/)
1" Nylon/Brass Hammer (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/hammers/1-nylon-brass-hammer-prod12588.aspx?psize=96)
Roll Pin Holders (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/roll-pin-holders-prod781.aspx?psize=96)
Roll Pin Punches (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/roll-pin-punches-prod38883.aspx?psize=96)
Pin Punch Set (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/565-pin-punch-set-prod12625.aspx?psize=96)
Hammerhead Armorer's Wrench (http://www.amazon.com/Hammerhead-Rifle-Tool-wrench-medium/dp/B0096EG41U)
Geissele Reaction Rod (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/barrel-tools/ar-15-m16-reaction-rod-prod55168.aspx)
Good 6" Vise
6" Copper Vise Jaw Caps (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-PAIR-OF-GENUINE-WILTON-COPPER-JAWS-MODEL-404-6-FITS-ANY-6-BENCH-VISE-/390638287801?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item5af3db3bb9)
1/2" Breaker Bar
Lower Receiver Vise Block (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/bench-vise-blocks/ar-15-m16-lower-receiver-vise-block-prod25011.aspx)
Pivot Pin Tool (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/pin-tools/pivot-pin-detent-installation-tool-prod26488.aspx)
Bolt Catch Pin Punch (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/bolt-tools/dissassembly-tools/bolt-catch-pin-punch-prod26484.aspx)

Some other tools that I have used that are useful, but not necessary.....
AR-15 Front Sight Bench Block (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/sight-tools/ar-15-front-sight-bench-block-prod20727.aspx?avs|Make_3=AR-15/M4)
Bolt Ejector Tool (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/bolt-tools/ejector-tools/ar-15-m16-ar-style-308-bolt-ejector-tool-prod18759.aspx?avs|Make_3=AR-15/M4&psize=96)
Gas Block Dimpling Jig (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/gas-system-tools/ar-15-m16-gas-block-dimpling-jig-prod42283.aspx?avs|Make_3=AR-15/M4&psize=96)
Handguard Alignment Tool (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/handguard-tools/ar-15-m16-handguard-alignment-tool-prod22389.aspx?avs|Make_3=AR-15/M4&psize=96)

SeriousStudent

10-21-14, 20:51

I'll second the suggestion regarding Iraqgunz's class. I have taken it, and learned a great deal. You get a lot of excellent ideas on use of specific tools, and why quality parts matter.

Robb Jensen (one of the staff members here and an armorer for VA Arms) made a real good thread a few years back, with a bunch of tool suggestions. OP, do some searches on his posts. I'll also do some digging. I honestly think it would be a good idea to find that thread and make it a sticky in the AR Technical Discussion subforum. I'll post again in thios thread if/when I find that. If you find it first, let me know. It had a bunch of pictures in it as well. I love Robb's use of a tappet wrench on a flash hider.

But IG's tool list for his class is a great start. I have a buddy that teaches the Colt Rifle Armorer class, I'll ping him offline and see what he suggests. He does that full time for Colt, and stays busy doing it.

I'm also a big fan of the Hammerhead tool for working on receiver extensions. And it's a great idea to go look at Ned Christiansen (one of our Industry Professional's) website www.m-guns.com. Ned makes excellent tools. I have one of his MOACKS tools, and it's great. His gauges and chamber reamer are also top-notch. Maybe Ned will see this, and offer some tips. You would be well-served by reading every post he puts up here.

SilverBullet432

10-21-14, 20:52

Academy has a kit for around $99 which includes all the basic/required AR assembly tools -vise, even has torque wrench!

http://m.academy.com/shop/Product_10151_10051_879715_-1__true?N=20001+10001&Ntt=Ar+tools&Ntk=All

I personally have many tools.

Proto torque wrench.
Geissele RR
Various roll pin punches, flat punches
5" craftsman vise
Lower mag block
Pivot pin tool
Muzzle device/crowfoot wrenches
Barrel nut wrenches
Staking punch
Center punch
Castle nut wrench
Various files
Multi bit driver set
Aeroshell 33-ms grease
Blue loctite
Vibra tite

Just to name a few.

SeriousStudent

10-21-14, 20:56

1" Nylon/Brass Hammer (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/hammers/1-nylon-brass-hammer-prod12588.aspx?psize=96)
Roll Pin Holders (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/roll-pin-holders-prod781.aspx?psize=96)
Roll Pin Punches (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/roll-pin-punches-prod38883.aspx?psize=96)
Pin Punch Set (http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/565-pin-punch-set-prod12625.aspx?psize=96)
Hammerhead Armorer's Wrench (http://www.amazon.com/Hammerhead-Rifle-Tool-wrench-medium/dp/B0096EG41U)
Geissele Reaction Rod
Good 6" Vise
6" Copper Vise Jaw Caps (http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-WMH24408-404-6-Copper-Width/dp/B0006NGGSQ/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1413942654&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=wilton+brass+vise+jaws)
1/2" Breaker Bar
Magwell block

Those are all great. I have that Starrett punch set, and use the heck out of it. The Reaction Rod is awesome, and I found a set of the copper vise jaws on ebay for about $35 shipped.

E_Johnson

10-21-14, 20:58

Barrel vise block for muzzle device install/removal... even if you never build a complete upper it's a great one to have when you want to install the new hotness on your AR. Your index pin and upper will thank you.

Long Range Trigger Monkey

10-21-14, 21:11

While I don't know if this is a must have item it certainly was a huge help in putting my lower together this past summer.

http://www.btibrands.com/product/ar-pivot-pinroll-pin-install-tool/

My list of AR tools is pretty much the same as the others above.

ScottsBad

10-21-14, 21:36

Boba Fett v2

10-21-14, 21:51

You get a free autographed framed portrait of Will (Iraqgunz) shirtless when you attend his class. It's the best part of the deal.

ryantx23

10-21-14, 21:54

Yeah, check with Iraqgunz, that's what he does. BTW - Am I on everyone's ignore list or was my list of tools inaccurate? I wasn't trying to step on anyone, those are just the tools I use frequently. I guess my deodorant isn't cutting it.

No, your list was on the money. I just didn't feel like taking the time to input all that data. Good post though.

T2C

10-21-14, 22:03

A few items that are good for general firearm work are delrin and rubber vise jaw pads, a magnetic dish for small parts and safety glasses with 1.0-1.5 power readers ground in the lower portion of the lens for intricate hard to see work. I think that it would not hurt to have a pair of straight forceps and a pair of curved forceps in your armorer's kit.

26 Inf

10-21-14, 22:14

Things I would add:

Go to your dentist and ask for used picks and tools - you can also buy them.

A small (or large LOL) illuminated magnifying lamp - I liberated one from my wife's hobby room and it has been very useful.

I also have a large Harbor Freight vise as well as a smaller clamp on bench vise from Lowes or Home Depot.

Iraqgunz

10-21-14, 22:39

A lot of the tools have been covered here. I used a wide variety of stuff. More importantly is understanding what to do when you encounter unconventional problems like an entire receiver extension, castle nut and endplate red Loc-tited into a receiver.

I also show different techniques for installing and removing the receiver extension which may or may not work for everyone.

Another simple tool overlooked is the BCM KMR barrel wrench. It doubles as castle nut wrench and quite honest it's pretty good. Especially if you have to do deal with the idiotic ASAP plate.

Aluminum or copper vise jaws are a great suggestion. Probably the most overlooked part of this is understanding the best way to use certain tools and the importance of a solid bench mounted vise.

ScottsBad

10-21-14, 23:08

A lot of the tools have been covered here. I used a wide variety of stuff. More importantly is understanding what to do when you encounter unconventional problems like an entire receiver extension, castle nut and endplate red Loc-tited into a receiver.

LOL...But do you have a tool for the removal of the Diet Coke that just shot onto my keyboard via my nose... Red Loctite'd to a receiver. Funny picture in my minds eye. Good one.

Biggy

10-21-14, 23:13

I have been using a Geissele Reaction Rod, and it works fine, but I think I will also give this tool a try when it comes out. http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG536/misc

tarkeg

10-21-14, 23:17

Don't forget a bolt catch roll pin punch!

https://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails.cfm?inventorynumber=63

Koshinn

10-22-14, 00:33

In my opinion, which is worth far less than IG's...

Roll pin punch set
Hammer
Nylon block with holes
Nylon upper receiver block for a vise
Torque wrench
Very solid vise
Multi AR wrench that can handle castle nuts/A2 receiver extensions/A2 muzzle devices/delta rings
Flat head screw driver for most pistol grip screws and installing a few magpul stocks

That's all you need as far as tools most of the time.

Very nice things to have include roll pin starter punches, bolt catch punch, reaction rod, magazine/lower nylon vise block, a long and strong breaker bar (for removing things only of course), a large rubber mallet (removing FSPs), brass/nylon hammer, center punch for staking... I think that's it.

But if you're only building lowers and buying uppers, you can get away with a set of punches, a hammer, a screw driver, and something for the castle nut.

Iraqgunz

10-22-14, 02:20

I think the Brownells version is cheaper. Another thing to remember is that if you buy something from Brownells and it breaks, you can send it back for replacement or refund. I have sent in probably over 300.00 worth of tools over the years.

Another thing I discovered here on M4C and have been using for a few months is Bob Smiths 161 Un Cure. If you need to remove Loctite and similar products it works very well. http://www.amazon.com/Bob-Smith-161-Un-Cure-1oz/dp/B0000DD1QS

Don't forget a bolt catch roll pin punch!

https://www.adcofirearms.com/itemdetails.cfm?inventorynumber=63

MistWolf

10-22-14, 03:04

Here is my humble contribution-

Lower vise block
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_702004015_1.jpg

Panther Claw
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/skus/l_231000157_1.jpg

...and/or Reaction Rod
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_100011315_3.jpg

AR Multitool
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_231000007_1.jpg

Roll pin holders
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_080685125_1.jpg

Roll pin punches (a real long one for pinning the bolt release)
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/l_230112105_1.jpg

Brass drift punches
http://hdtools.co.uk/cart/images/uploads/Brass%20drift%20punches.jpg

Brass Hammer
http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_354001004_1.jpg

Clevis Pin- http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/362116_How_to_install_the_front_Pivot_Pin_using_a__1_clevis_pin___56K_death.html
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w135/Desert_AIP/Pivot_Pin_Install_03.jpg

Knipex
http://www.alltoolsdirect.co.uk/ekmps/shops/alltoolsdirect/images/knipex-180mm-plier-wrench-59811-3315-p.jpg

...and/or quality c-clamp
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n289/SgtSongDog/AR%20Carbine/DSC_0012.jpg

Magnet
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n289/SgtSongDog/AR%20Carbine/DSC_0006.jpg

Blue or Green masking tape
http://www.waytekwire.com/images/items/20906FL.gif

Work bench & vise
http://lumberjocks.com/assets/pictures/projects/341061-438x.jpg?1351627797

Tappet wrenches
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n289/SgtSongDog/AR%20Build/DSC_0120.jpg

Allen wrenches
http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_12719.jpg

Ratcheting screwdriver set with bits
http://public.snapon.com/R_RRD/Objects_lg/images/SGDMRC108.jpg

Aeroshell 33MS
http://aeroshell-33ms.com/images/portfolio/main_smol/aeroshell_grease_33ms.jpg

NO Vise Grips, NO Channel Locks

Eurodriver

10-22-14, 05:29

Wow! Great advice so far. Thanks to those of you who spent time sharing links and pictures.

For what it's worth, I have assembled AR15s in the past. This isn't new to me. But I'm moving into a place where I won't have to make compromises (like using a hard cover book and a brass hammer to install a trigger guard on the kitchen table) and want the right tools for the job.

Roll pin punches and Clevis pins are exactly what I'm talking about.

PS $700 vice?!?!? LOL

TXBK

10-22-14, 05:47

Here's a 6" Craftsman Vise for $70.
http://m.sears.com/craftsman-6-in-bench-vise/p-00951856000P

GH41

10-22-14, 05:57

This is the vise I want. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_245473_245473 Most people will not have a bench stout enough to warrant a good vise. Mention forged steel and made in America when discussing vises and you will spend big bucks.

Eurodriver

10-22-14, 07:48

bushyacrm4

10-22-14, 08:25

Good call on the Knipex MistWolf those things are a life saver I probably use them every day at work, so many applications.
All I can think to add is maybe a fsb tool to pin it if you're not going to use a ff handgaurd. Also as stated above knowing how to properly use the tools is helpful.

MistWolf

10-22-14, 11:00

http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/349/3490_1_2000x2000.jpg

Why do you want that vise?

Because that, my friend, is a vise. With that vise and a stout bench, I could torque a barrel to a FAL receiver from the 9 o'clock position!

teutonicpolymer

10-22-14, 13:51

For the lower: pliers, screwdriver, and masking tape

For the upper: barrel nut wrench, torque wrench, vise, pliers, masking tape, vise block, possibly allen wrenches, possibly a hammer if the gas block roll pin is tough to get in with pliers alone

Not quite tools, but you will probably need them: Lubricant for the barrel nut threads and loc-tite for various other threads

Pliers are a wonder tool

TXBK

10-22-14, 14:06

There is no doubt that Wilton is a real, badass, american-made vise, but....

I'm specifically referring to assembling AR15s in 5.56mm.

If one were looking to buy tools in which to make a living, buying top quality tools makes perfect sense. I think the OP is needing a vise that covers his "hobby" needs, and would probably be better served saving that $600 to buy every other tool that he needs. I think that it is more important to have higher quality punches and the Hammerhead armorers wrench over other options, than it is to spend that much $$ on a vise that should see 80 ft/lbs. of torque at the most and not very many times at that.

26 Inf

10-22-14, 15:20

There is no doubt that Wilton is a real, badass, american-made vise, but....

If one were looking to buy tools in which to make a living, buying top quality tools makes perfect sense. I think the OP is needing a vise that covers his "hobby" needs, and would probably be better served saving that $600 to buy every other tool that he needs. I think that it is more important to have higher quality punches and the Hammerhead armorers wrench over other options, than it is to spend that much $$ on a vise that should see 80 ft/lbs. of torque at the most and not very many times at that.

So let me make sure I understand - you are advocating that the OP buy a 'hobby vise?' (sorry, couldn't help it)

I really wanted a 'good' vise, went into shock at the good Wiltons and really didn't see much difference at the bottom end of the Wilton line and the top end of the Harbor Freight line - you can't 'see' the quality of the steel.

If I was using it regularly, and ever coming close to putting the rated load on the vise jaws, I'd buy a Wilton quality vise, Yost may be a less expensive alternative, but honestly most folks don't need that high a quality.

GH41

10-22-14, 15:42

So let me make sure I understand - you are advocating that the OP buy a 'hobby vise?' (sorry, couldn't help it)

I really wanted a 'good' vise, went into shock at the good Wiltons and really didn't see much difference at the bottom end of the Wilton line and the top end of the Harbor Freight line - you can't 'see' the quality of the steel.

If I was using it regularly, and ever coming close to putting the rated load on the vise jaws, I'd buy a Wilton quality vise, Yost may be a less expensive alternative, but honestly most folks don't need that high a quality.

The bottom end of the Wilton line is Chinese made. The difference is cheap vises are cast iron,mid price are cast steel and high end are forged steel. I'll agree... most don't need forged steel. Most people don't need a mill-spec rifle either!

TXBK

10-22-14, 15:59

If I was using it regularly, and ever coming close to putting the rated load on the vise jaws, I'd buy a Wilton quality vise, Yost may be a less expensive alternative, but honestly most folks don't need that high a quality.

This is all that im saying. I think that money would probably be better spent else where, by us Hobbyists. :)

TXBK

10-22-14, 16:06

The bottom end of the Wilton line is Chinese made. The difference is cheap vises are cast iron,mid price are cast steel and high end are forged steel. I'll agree... most don't need forged steel. Most people don't need a mill-spec rifle either!

If there was a chance that I may use my vise to defend my life, I would probably buy the best vise that I could afford.

ScottsBad

10-22-14, 16:26

Here's a 6" Craftsman Vise for $70.
http://m.sears.com/craftsman-6-in-bench-vise/p-00951856000P

Did you read the reviews on this vise? It's pure crap. I wouldn't recommend this one.

The bottom end of the Wilton line is Chinese made. The difference is cheap vises are cast iron,mid price are cast steel and high end are forged steel. I'll agree... most don't need forged steel. Most people don't need a mill-spec rifle either!

Yeah, you need to spend a bit more 500-800 for a good Wilton. I bought mine many years ago when they were much more reasonable.

This is the vise I want. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_245473_245473 Most people will not have a bench stout enough to warrant a good vise. Mention forged steel and made in America when discussing vises and you will spend big bucks.

That's a very nice vise.

TXBK

10-22-14, 16:36

Did you read the reviews on this vise? It's pure crap. I wouldn't recommend this one.

No, because I have the same vise, and it is more than adequate to do what the OP wants to do.

ScottsBad

10-22-14, 16:45

No, because I have the same vise, and it is more than adequate to do what the OP wants to do.

Pay attention: Here is what the OP wrote...

I'm specifically referring to assembling AR15s in 5.56mm.

What tools would you say are must haves? Obviously a bench vise, torque wrench, and a good set of punches will go very far but what about AR specific tools such as the reaction rod and an armorers tool?...I am starting from scratch here shortly. Just me, my toolbox, and a workbench. I want to buy quality tools that will allow me to assemble AR15s. What should I buy?

Best armorers tool? Why? ....

He doesn't need to spend $800, but certainly he should think about a mid-priced vise.

TXBK

10-22-14, 16:59

Pay attention

Yes sir, I read the OP's intentions, and believe that I explained my recommendation.

Iraqgunz

10-22-14, 17:14

ScatmanCrothers

10-22-14, 18:01

This thing is starting to take a turn for the ridiculous. I use this vise and have been for several years. I got mine at Lowe's for about 70.00. It has done hundreds of AR's over the years. http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-11106-Bench-6-Inch-Opening/dp/B001022GRM/ref=sr_1_1/179-2773036-0770754?ie=UTF8&qid=1414015389&sr=8-1&keywords=wilton+6+vise

This. I've got the Irwin branded version of this vise from Home Depot and it's been a beast for the money. Broke the jaw of a parrot vise in half last year and this style has really sold me on its rigidity.

Here's the majority of what I use most of the time, some lent out punches/vise blocks/torque wrenches not included:

http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/image35_zps6923ac7d.jpeg (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Scatmanc2727/media/image35_zps6923ac7d.jpeg.html)

http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/image34_zps220c024f.jpeg (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Scatmanc2727/media/image34_zps220c024f.jpeg.html)

http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/image33_zpsc7c92780.jpeg (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Scatmanc2727/media/image33_zpsc7c92780.jpeg.html)

http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q627/Scatmanc2727/image32_zps8a715a54.jpeg (http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/Scatmanc2727/media/image32_zps8a715a54.jpeg.html)

TacticalMark

10-22-14, 22:31

I agree with buying a decent vise, I have a 12yr old (USA) version of this 6" Wilton http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-21500-6-Mechanics-Vise/dp/B005P3HL6S/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1414034287&sr=1-4&keywords=wilton+6+vise which is great all around vise for the money. Large nylon blocks with a few holes also come in handy for misc tasks. PRI barrel nut wrench works good for stubborn standard barrel nuts. http://www.amazon.com/PRI-AR-15-Barrel-Nut-Wrench/dp/B003XEJXK8. Take shouldered 1/4" bolt 3" long or so and cut the threads off, then drill 1/8" hole through it for a front pin detent tool. Or you could buy one http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/rifle-tools/pin-tools/pivot-pin-detent-installation-tool-prod26488.aspx

T2C

10-23-14, 08:22

This kit would be a good starting point.

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/gunsmithing-tool-kits/ar-15-m16-critical-tools-kit-sku080000812-41214-77813.aspx?sku=080-000-812&cm_mmc=Email-_-Spop-Email-_-lm_11288727-_-SearchAR15_080000812&cm_lm=overtighten@frontier.com&cm_mmca1=BR_SearchAbandonment_AR15_V3%20(7)&spMailingID=11288727&spUserID=Mjg4ODIzMDUzODAS1&spJobID=364255137&spReportId=MzY0MjUyNTczS0

teutonicpolymer

10-23-14, 13:22

You could also try looking for used vises, I've seen guys set up with a ton of tools to sell (including numerous vises) at gunshows sometimes

556Cliff

10-23-14, 19:39

For standard barrel wrenches I would use these. Best ones I have found so far.

http://www.2uniquellc.com/#!shop--cart/c1eip

cfrock

10-25-14, 08:48

After very recent experience my #1, must-have is a vise.

Gentleart

10-25-14, 18:31

The only thing I found (other then everything that's been mentioned) is having a tool specifically for the castle makes removal easier. I found it was a lot easier to slip with the single nub on the multi tools.

Blak1508

10-25-14, 20:44

I also will add, a multitasker series 3 multi tool. In the field and in the work shop while working on builds this tool has proven itself over and over to be useful. It's got a pretty decent castle nut tool on it also. I also bought one of the hammerhead tools straight from the gentlemen that makes them, I think there are a few imitations on the market. Geissele reaction rod has also been priceless. I also found the roll pin holder punch set very useful, I have to get a new set though I bent a couple of them after lots of mileage. IG, brownells will replace them if they break ? I did not know that, maybe I will inquire about them. Thanks for the intel.

Link to hammer head tool
http://hammerheadrifletool.com/HammerHead_Rifle_Tool/HammerHead_Rifle_Tool_Home.html

Link to multitasker series 3
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Series3-AR-Multitasker-tool-p/mt-88011-blk.htm

Geissele reaction rod
http://geissele.com/reaction-rod.html

Roll pin holder punches

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/general-gunsmith-tools/punches/roll-pin-holders-prod781.aspx

RussB

10-25-14, 21:05

What separates the Geissele reaction rod from the Brownell's rod?

Rascally

10-25-14, 21:18

What separates the Geissele reaction rod from the Brownell's rod?
The Geissele reaction rod has flats at the end to allow for easy clamping into a vise. I don't think the Brownells has those.

jtaylor996

10-25-14, 22:09

GH41

10-26-14, 06:30

The Geissele reaction rod has flats at the end to allow for easy clamping into a vise. I don't think the Brownells has those.

The Brownell's tool has a 1/2" drive recess in the end. In their video they hold the barrel nut wrench with vice and insert the torque wrench into the tool. The reaction rod is probably more practical but for 1/3 of the cost the Brownell's will serve the occasional user well.

Eurodriver

10-26-14, 12:20

Normally I would get annoyed at the arguing between members on something like a vice

But I actually enjoy the discourse as I am learning a lot from the conversation

Again - I have built ARs before. I'm no pro, but I know what's required. I've been living in an apartment and had to use friend's workshops forever. Now that I will have my own little workshop I wanted some of my own, good tools.

I will not be getting into metal working or anything of that sort. I'm not a pro, just a guy cranking some barrel nuts on.

I need more than a vice though. Roll pin punches, castle nut tools, etc are needed too

MistWolf

10-26-14, 12:44

I know a high dollar vise isn't needed to assemble an AR, but I've used all types down through the years and struggling through a project with a cheap one is has been an all too common frustration in my line of work. That's why having a good Wilton to work with is such a joy

GH41

10-26-14, 14:44

Berserkr556

10-26-14, 15:23

I prefer to use the right tools because it makes things so much easier. The Brownells roll pin holders, bolt catch pin punch, pivot pin detent install tool and Geissele reaction rod are well worth the money. The other tools like a Hammerhead, vise etc. etc. have already been mentioned.

GH41

10-26-14, 15:49

I mentioned my desire to own a USA made $700 Wilton but like others I cannot justify buying a new one. One day I'll find a used one in the $200 range. This is what I found for $25. It's a vintage Columbian that was made in America. My research reveals it was made from cast steel in the late 50s. It's only 3 1/2" but very stout for it's size. I also attached a pic of the work bench I made. The stand is an old frame of Baker scaffolding I bought years ago and only used one time. I cut it down to 38" (stand up height) and built the top with #1 KDAT pine. The top is 32x80 inches and took two of us to put in place. The legs have rubber wheels so I can move it around the garage. It's probably overkill for a gun work bench. Now that I've finished patting myself on the back let me offer some advice to you young guys. Very few of the tools needed to work on the AR are specialty tools for rifle work only. Chances are if you work on your rifles you work on other things. Buy tools that will last you a lifetime.
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jtaylor996

10-26-14, 16:54

Is that thing stiff enough to R&R barrel nuts or do you just hold things you are working on with it?

Yeah, if it's mounted well. Mine isn't, but I had no trouble going up to well over 80 ft/lb until my very disappointing NcStar gen 2 combo wrench stripped a peg (being a cheap piece of crap wrench).

The upper was in a wheeler upper vise block. Not as nice as a reaction rod, but that sort of thing has been done for 40 years before the 'rod was around.

The best part about the AR platform is that they require very few tools, and those that are needed can be very modest.

ScatmanCrothers

10-26-14, 17:20

Well, Here's the vise I use (http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Fox-D3125-Parrot-Vise/dp/B0000DD4ZU/ref=sr_1_1/183-5345527-2683239?ie=UTF8&qid=1414292745&sr=8-1&keywords=shop+fox+parrot+vise)

$64 an free 2 day shipping if have a prime account.

It's about 1000x more than I need for working on ARs. It's not a $700 vise, but it's still way more than needed for this application.

Unfortunately that's the parrot vise I broke in two trying to get a rusted on barrel nut off as mentioned above. And that was with a reaction rod (on a barrel that was going to get junked anyway) that turned in the vise and cracked the hollowed out jaw/base section in two before it even sheared the index pin off. The size and shape of the jaws worked really well on light duty jobs and long term clamping duties but my experience above and the fact that the vise itself is on a swivel and doesn't lock into place until the jaws are completely tightened down drove me away from that style.

But like I said, excellent light duty vise with a lot of versatility being able to swivel on its base if that's something needed in the workspace.

jtaylor996

10-26-14, 21:53

So the barrel or the rod spun in the vise? Maybe try some penetrant and an upper block. Shot if that doesn't work you could put the brownells rod in an impact wrench and put the barrel wrench in the vise.

Like I said, I had no issues torquing to over 100 ftlb in that vise... with only 2/3 of its feet mounted solidly. If you need to be using more than 100 ftlb on an AR upper, IMO you should be thinking real hard why that upper isn't going straight into the trash, barrel included.

26 Inf

10-27-14, 01:06

Unfortunately that's the parrot vise I broke in two trying to get a rusted on barrel nut off as mentioned above. And that was with a reaction rod (on a barrel that was going to get junked anyway) that turned in the vise and cracked the hollowed out jaw/base section in two before it even sheared the index pin off. The size and shape of the jaws worked really well on light duty jobs and long term clamping duties but my experience above and the fact that the vise itself is on a swivel and doesn't lock into place until the jaws are completely tightened down drove me away from that style.

But like I said, excellent light duty vise with a lot of versatility being able to swivel on its base if that's something needed in the workspace.

Did you douse that bad boy with some Kroil and let it sit for a while before wrenching on it?

Sparky5019

10-27-14, 06:03

Since we're getting stupid...

I like to use this for dimpling, drilling and pinning gas blocks.:)

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ScatmanCrothers

10-28-14, 14:40

When I started on the upper I didn't know just how tight the barrel nut was. The parrot vise broke before I even came to the determination that Kroil and/or some time in the freezer was needed. The reaction rod clearly being much stronger in materials and construction than the parrot vise turned in the vise, separating the jaws and causing the hollowed out base to crack in half. It was the wrong vise for the job, I just didn't know it until I had to put some elbow grease into it. Before that tightening up an NSR to almost 80ft/lbs was the extent of force it had seen.

Once the new vise was in place I gave the upper freezer time and an overnight Kroil treatment and went at it again. Unfortunately I'm not sure it made much of a difference because I had to put a whole lot of ass into it again to finally break it loose.

Not sure what we're getting "stupid" with here but it is what it is. An A2 upper with a barrel that had been shot out many moons ago and I gave a shot at removing the barrel to salvage the upper. Could have gone with a Clamshell or other upper securing block but seeing as how the upper was what I was interesting in saving I wasn't concerned with what the RR might do to the barrel or index pin and I wasn't interested in twisting the upper in any way with a clamshell. It all turned out to be moot because at some point the threads of the upper and barrel nut had fused together in a major way. It was a total loss all around.

That backstory being said, it was just an example of how the parrot vise is not ideal for all AR building situations. Would it have continued to build up and break down new gear? Sure. Is it the right vise for breaking down valuable retro uppers that require some extensive force? Not in my experience.