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Im looking at purchasing a factory precision ar in 5.56 and in the 1700.00 range I already have a sbr so looking for something for mid range out to 400 yards at very most, I have a bolt gun for the longer ranges and will be mostly a target gun .
Right now I'm thinking about a larue predatar in 5.56 or bcm kmr precision or knights armament. Im really leaning toward the larue what do you guys think I really want to best accuracy I can get say at 100 yards I know the larue says less than moa.
optics will be a bushnell elite 3.5-21x50 for long ranges then switching out to a 1-4 both have larue qd mounts so I can do this.
If you can find either of the KAC or LaRue for that price and in stock you'd be in luck. LaRue is over a year out, and the KAC is few and far in between and will break your 1700 mark.
The BCM is a great rifle, and it fits your range.
I personally would go with one of these, or build up one yourself
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=1330
Never really considered MI does anybody know about the colt accuraized rifle I just was told about it to?
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
Would this out shoot a larue moa at 100yards ? or be right with it ? I know bcm is nice just never heard anything about precision.
dramabeats
11-02-14, 11:40
Would this out shoot a larue moa at 100yards ? or be right with it ? I know bcm is nice just never heard anything about precision.
I've seen .5 moa groups out of those barrels with match ammo.
Some people claim to get 1-1.5 MOA with just PMC ammo
What's your definition of precision?
I'd probably either get this: http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/store/product.php?id_product=10
or a BCM (this upper for example, http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm and add a BCM lower from somewhere).
Or a Noveske like I actually own right now, but their prices have gone way up lately. I mean, this is a great rifle and if you have money to spend, I'd get it:
https://dsgarms.com/nvr-g3-18-556
but it's not $1000 better than the competition.
I don't think KAC produces the LPR anymore and I'd prefer not to spend money on Larue. I love the dillos and steak rub, but that's about it.
But honestly, the BCM is so price-efficient right now you'd be crazy not to buy one. Even if a complete BCM were in the $1700 range, I'd STILL buy one. But at $800 for a complete upper (you add in the price of a charging handle too, but get a free BCG AND a free compensator, plus a great rail and upper receiver and barrel), add another $500 or so for a lower with a great trigger and you come out ahead on price and didn't skimp on quality.
Eurodriver
11-02-14, 11:59
^ lol at "I know you have a $1700 budget, but here is a gun you should get that I have at only $2600!"
^ lol at "I know you have a $1700 budget, but here is a gun you should get that I have at only $2600!"
That's how I roll bro.
BufordTJustice
11-02-14, 12:50
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
This. All day. Add a Geissele trigger and optic and you're done.
Is the mark12 mod 0 worth the extra money?
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
I'll second the recommendation for a 1:8 twist barrel. It should spin everything from 55g to 80g projectiles really well.
Eurodriver
11-02-14, 13:49
That's how I roll bro.
I was excited when I saw the link because I want a Noveske baddddddd.
Then I saw the price and I was like "this guy..."
So have any you guys have any experience with these bcm uppers I'm going to be shooting off bipod mostly and probably put a magpul psr stock on it will this get me under moa accuracy at 100?
So have any you guys have any experience with these bcm uppers I'm going to be shooting off bipod mostly and probably put a magpul psr stock on it will this get me under moa accuracy at 100?
You won't need a PSR stock to make it precise - handloads (and probably copying the 77grSMK/XBR Power/Wolf Mag Primer load MarkM and Pappabear keep raving about) and a usable trigger and you'll be mechanically able to make good groups in good conditions. That BCM KMR Recce is the value king for AR's; it's a good enough barrel that you have to be on your game, feeding it well sorted handloads, and already well into tradeoff territory of an optic large enough to help make precise shots but not into the hubble space telescope range that the optic decides how it handles. There are some other excellent match barrel options (HCS/Centurion both have Douglas based Recce barrels that are tack drivers, but they're a fairly heavy profile; the Shilen blank Rainier UltraMatch are really impressive for the money, and the Noveske Recce units are equally capable to the best of the two previous options, but those are really pricy.
mrjinglesusa
11-02-14, 16:26
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
Yep.
I had the BCM lower from Grant already (w/ Geisselle SSA) and was running a standard BCM 14.5" midlength with Magpul hand guards. Just bought that exact upper a week ago and took it to the range today. It's a freakin' tack driver. I was only able to shoot 50 yards, but easily less than 3/4" groups off a bench rest. I was just trying to get my scope sighted in on the new upper - I'm sure a better shooter than I could do much better, especially with a bipod and bag.
I'd go BCM (and have several times recently). You can also find great deals on Colts these days...I picked up 2 from PSA but they are all over.
I have ran an 18" Larue Stealth upper for the last several years and it has been a phenomenal shooter. But I just picked up a BCM SS410 16" middy with kmr15 because of the price point and good reviews on these barrels.
Waiting on a few more pieces before I can get it out on the range, but will report back soon.
I have the bcm 18" stainless barrel with 13" kmr rail, and I have been able to get sub moa results at 300 yards with federal match.
thebarracuda
11-02-14, 21:15
The bcm upper will shoot better than most shooters are capable. Buy it, use the money you save on a better optic and top shelf ammo. Or components if you roll your own. You have to be an elite shooter to need more.
So I have to ask, What are you doing with this rifle? Are you a sniper? Precision competition shooter? What exactly are you doing that you think requires 1MOA or better accuracy?
Just curious because I just finished a Precision Rifle class in Illinois and I was able to consistently hit a 12" steel plate at 600 yards with Carl Gustav SS109 clone from one of our SIONICS 16" LW Melonite 1/8 twist barrels. If that was a live target down range, he isn't going to care what MOA the rounds were that dropped him/her.
buckkiller35
11-02-14, 23:50
I went with the BCM SS410 16" middy with kmr15 just recently and am getting under 1" at 100 yards with CBC Magtech 77 grain ammo.
I've had 2 of the Colt CR 6724 Hbar Elites, and logged close to 11,000 rounds in them. I like the rifle but my 11.5" BCM lightweight shoots as well with tuned handloads. A good barrel properly assembled into a free floated upper, excellent trigger and sights. Without good ammunitions are wasted!
Never really considered MI does anybody know about the colt accuraized rifle I just was told about it to?
My father bought the Colt accurized rifle about 10-12 years ago. We have put thousands of rounds down that barrel. It takes bowling pins at 415 yards using m193 rather reliably. It shoots around moa still with tap t2. It's a boring rifle. You pull the trigger and you already know the results. It just gets the job done. No super nice trigger. No amazing rail system. Just boring reliability and consistent accuracy.
Vegasshooter
11-03-14, 19:17
I feel reluctant to jump in here, because I have the BCM SPR. What they are calling a MK12. It shoots .75moa with boring regularity. My best at 100 is .61. These are 5 shot groups, and I'm talking many, many groups at .75moa, not just a group.
That said, I really have to agree with Iraqgunz, mission dictates equipment. You need to define your mission then go from there. I say that because the average AR should hold about 1.5-2moa. I'm talking a nice gun, decent glass etc. Now at 2moa, you are still hitting a man size target at 600 yds. Assuming a 12" chest area, 2moa will get you there. I realistically think 600 is the top end on a .223. You're delivering about what a 9mm does at the muzzle from a .223 at 600. Anything further, you need more gun.
All I'm saying is think about how much accuracy you need for your intended mission.
Devildawg2531
11-08-14, 07:22
upper: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-SPR-KMR-KEYMOD-p/bcm-urg-18-ss410-kmr15.htm
lower: http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM
Under budget even when you add a premium trigger and your stock of choice.
I have the 18"BCM stainless upper with rifle gas paired with a BCM lower and Geiselle SSA trigger. With good ammo it's sub MOA for groups of 10 regularly. It has been 100% reliable.
teutonicpolymer
11-08-14, 22:46
So I have to ask, What are you doing with this rifle? Are you a sniper? Precision competition shooter? What exactly are you doing that you think requires 1MOA or better accuracy?
Just curious because I just finished a Precision Rifle class in Illinois and I was able to consistently hit a 12" steel plate at 600 yards with Carl Gustav SS109 clone from one of our SIONICS 16" LW Melonite 1/8 twist barrels. If that was a live target down range, he isn't going to care what MOA the rounds were that dropped him/her.
Was that by chance with the gong at the Tucson Rifle Club?
I have the BCM Precision 16. It is definitely the best of both worlds....
Im looking at purchasing a factory precision ar in 5.56 and in the 1700.00 range I already have a sbr so looking for something for mid range out to 400 yards at very most, I have a bolt gun for the longer ranges and will be mostly a target gun .
Right now I'm thinking about a larue predatar in 5.56 or bcm kmr precision or knights armament. Im really leaning toward the larue what do you guys think I really want to best accuracy I can get say at 100 yards I know the larue says less than moa.
optics will be a bushnell elite 3.5-21x50 for long ranges then switching out to a 1-4 both have larue qd mounts so I can do this.
Illinois.
Was that by chance with the gong at the Tucson Rifle Club?
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