LAV Glock 17/19 RTF2 courtesy of Lipsey's

[MountainRaven]

Just though some folks might appreciate this:

Dark Earth frame, RTF2 Gen3 Glock models 19 and 17. With WC LAV sights and TD LAV slide stop, magazine release, and magazine base pads. All with Serial number prefix of 'LAV'.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/10636168_10154796613190416_6541772794402562219_n_zps7414d404.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/150109_10154796613285416_2500380944016507769_n_zps8012f47c.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/10801805_10154796613950416_6446614934870453888_n_zpsb0c7ba93.jpg

Hopefully Grant gets some of these in.

:o

[rushca01]

Been following this on his Facebook page. I like it, only $100 over regular MSRP. I know lav is busy but I wish he would post more here.

[MountainRaven]

I wish Red State Tactical would offer something like this as a Glock upgrade package:

Gen3 version: Two TD magazine pads, magazine release, slide lock, sights.
Gen4/Blue Label Gen4 version: Three TD magazine pads, magazine release, slide lock, sights.
Blue Label Gen3 version: Three TD magazine pads, magazine release, slide lock, sights.

[YVK]

Nice.

[brushy bill]

Tough market. This, VP9, & Beretta releases. Good for customer.

[teutonicpolymer]

Now is a really good time to be a firearms enthusiast with spending money

[Bowser]

Now only if Glock would release FDE magazines...

[MountainRaven]

Now only if Glock would release FDE magazines...

LAV said they (he and Lipsey's) tried.

No luck.

This time.

I hope that they'll do a 9mm magazine the same length as the 22-round 40-cal mag if they do FDE mags....

[Gary1911A1]

It does appear to be a good buy. Might have to consider another 19.

[plouffedaddy]

I wish my dealer could actually order them for me! Several FFLs have said on their Facebook page that they can't order them through lipsey's currently. Hopefully soon because I don't think these will be in stock long....

[Big A]

Well shit, I need another Glock like I need another hole in my head!

This is almost the perfect glock for me. If only they could make a Gen4 with the RTF2 texture with all the LAV/TD parts then I think they would achive perfection.

[plouffedaddy]

I wish my dealer could actually order them for me! Several FFLs have said on their Facebook page that they can't order them through lipsey's currently. Hopefully soon because I don't think these will be in stock long....


Edit---they're up on Lipsey's now..

[Nightstalker865]

Ummm I want...

[C4IGrant]

Great package and the ability to get the RTF2 frame in FDE is fantastic! We have them on order (of course). :)




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[Sensei]

Nice pistol. Personally, I like the Gen4 frames over the RTF2. That RTF stippling does a number on my shirts and car seat leather…:(. I'm also a big fan of the Gen4 mag release.

[Trajan]

Nice pistol. Personally, I like the Gen4 frames over the RTF2. That RTF stippling does a number on my shirts and car seat leather…:(. I'm also a big fan of the Gen4 mag release.

Agreed. However this is still collectable.

[okie john]

Agreed. However this is still collectable.

Yep. It's the first Glock ever sold with decent sights.


Okie John

[kihnspiracy]

Very nice. Any clue as to who has those in stock?

[teutonicpolymer]

I prefer RTF2. The only way this could be better in my eyes would be if it came with the fish gill slide cuts and maritime cups.

[Heavy Metal]

Great package and the ability to get the RTF2 frame in FDE is fantastic! We have them on order (of course). :)

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Mark me down for a LAV G-17 Grant!

[Heavy Metal]

I prefer RTF2. The only way this could be better in my eyes would be if it came with the fish gill slide cuts and maritime cups.

Pardon my language but **** the backwards fish gill cuts!

[Sensei]

Yep. It's the first Glock ever sold with decent sights.


Okie John

I'd say it's the second to come with decent sights. The Talo guns with I-Dots are good too. But I get your point.

[El Cid]

Nice pistol. Personally, I like the Gen4 frames over the RTF2. That RTF stippling does a number on my shirts and car seat leather…:(. I'm also a big fan of the Gen4 mag release.

I want a Glock with the Gen4 texture on the right and RTF on the left. I only put skateboard tape in the left of my current Glocks.

[JHC]

Nice pistol. Personally, I like the Gen4 frames over the RTF2. That RTF stippling does a number on my shirts and car seat leather…:(. I'm also a big fan of the Gen4 mag release.

Yeah I really love shooting RTF2 (a 19 and 17) but for daily concealed wear, they take a little extra commitment. I may succumb and need one of these because I'm a sucker for the colors. ;) Haters can hate on but if they made some with yellow frames I'd need one as a nightstand gun also :D

[JHC]

With regards to RTF2 - is it true this was developed for organizations shooting primarily with gloves?

[Trajan]

I'd say it's the second to come with decent sights. The Talo guns with I-Dots are good too. But I get your point.

Tigerswan....?

[C4IGrant]

Yeah I really love shooting RTF2 (a 19 and 17) but for daily concealed wear, they take a little extra commitment. I may succumb and need one of these because I'm a sucker for the colors. ;) Haters can hate on but if they made some with yellow frames I'd need one as a nightstand gun also :D

F*ck it, I'd buy a yellow framed Glock as well.


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[jpmuscle]

Yea.... I kinda want one of these.... Dammit!!

[Heavy Metal]

I want a Glock with the Gen4 texture on the right and RTF on the left. I only put skateboard tape in the left of my current Glocks.

That would be awesome. Would save your hide from the sandpaper effect and still give your a good grip.
The best thing I have noticed about the RTF2 is that the texture is above the finger swells where you need it the most. Unfortunately, Glock removed the texture pylons from there on the Gen 4 Glocks.

I still want the RTF2 above the finger swells on all sides, the holster should guard those areas.

[Flankenstein]

Not my thang but love having options out there.

[HD1911]

Miss my Gen3 RTF2... wasn't the easiest to CCW in the Summer wearing just a T-Shirt as Cover, but goodness I've never liked a grip texture more than that RTF. Maybe I'm the only one that liked the Fish Gill Serrations?!

A Gen4 with that same Texture would be money in my opinion.

[JHC]

Miss my Gen3 RTF2... wasn't the easiest to CCW in the Summer wearing just a T-Shirt as Cover, but goodness I've never liked a grip texture more than that RTF. Maybe I'm the only one that liked the Fish Gill Serrations?!

A Gen4 with that same Texture would be money in my opinion.

The first and only time I tried to IWB my RTF2 G19 against bare skin, I barely made it down the stairs much less out of the house! LOL

[fourXfour]

I've been on the fence wanting a G19. This might be just what I'm looking for. I would just need a grip force adapter and it's done.

[Larry Vickers]

Me and Jason at Lipseys dreamed this project up - needless to say we are pleased with the results

A few facts;

We tried to get FDE mags to match - no luck

We would have loved to get a special frame with no finger grooves but we didn't really push that one as we would still be waiting on those pistols in the unlikely event Glock would have agreed to the special frame

No go on fish scales ; I don't like them at all so don't hold your breath on seeing them at any time on an LAV Glock

Lipseys was the X factor on this project - they are now Glocks number 1 distributor so that gives them serious leverage and it is what made this LAV series a reality

Also remember a bit of emery cloth can dull the RTF2 frame down a bit if need be - piece of cake

Hope your guys like them !!!

LAV

[m4fun]

Guess I am a sucker for such things... ;)

Great features all together - has to be a shooter more than a collector.

[Robb Jensen]

Should have some soon, maybe even next week.

[10mmSpringfield]

I don't get this FDE fad. I'd prefer one with a grey frame, since the colors are purely aesthetic anyway.

[Robb Jensen]

I don't get this FDE fad. I'd prefer one with a grey frame, since the colors are purely aesthetic anyway.

Fortunately there is no need for the "approval" of others opinion to buy what they want. If you want to start a debate about why people buy what they do then please by all means start a new thead in the General Discussion (not general firearms) area where pretty much anything goes.

[Phillygunguy]

Looks sweet, would like to have it come with a fde grip force adapter too

[Larry Vickers]

Looks sweet, would like to have it come with a fde grip force adapter too

Although I recommend Grip Force Adaptors to shooters with large hands I don't personally use them as I don't need them due to my hand size

Hence why none are included in the the package

[m4brian]

GFA is a good thing, but compliments well as an option, not as an accessory package per se - I get LAV's point. I need them as I get slide bite, and enjoy the angle. Would be nice to see this in Gen4 also though.

[Dave_M]

Miss my Gen3 RTF2... wasn't the easiest to CCW in the Summer wearing just a T-Shirt as Cover, but goodness I've never liked a grip texture more than that RTF. Maybe I'm the only one that liked the Fish Gill Serrations?!


Nah, I like the fish gills. Well, maybe more, 'don't mind' rather than, 'like'

Looks like an LAV G17 is in my future

[teutonicpolymer]

I also like the fish gills. Never bothered trying to carry the RTF2 because I don't like wearing cheese graters but I find even the RTF3 from the gen 4 frames to be pretty abrasive.

While I think a gen 4 version of this would rock, I am very glad this is a gen 3 RTF 2 because they never should have stopped being made for the general public and I like seeing it return.

[Turnkey11]

Any luck for blue sticker prices?

[C4IGrant]

Any luck for blue sticker prices?

No LE program on these.


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[brickboy240]

Oh my!

I might be re-thinking that HK VP-9 for a LAV G17.

Love it...a Glock that already has all the things I add on it from the factory. Everything you need...nothing you do not.

-brickboy240

[adh]

Grant...might have missed this but I went through the thread twice (kinda quickly)
1: are you going to have these for sale?
2: what's the actual street price?

Thanks

[Robb Jensen]

Got a 19 yesterday. They are pretty nice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/Mobile%20Uploads/image-6.jpg

[C4IGrant]

Grant...might have missed this but I went through the thread twice (kinda quickly)
1: are you going to have these for sale?
2: what's the actual street price?

Thanks

1. Yes.
2. MAP


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[Gary1911A1]

I don't know, but if the fish gills faced the other way they might be more useful, but I've never tried to use ten the way they are.

[Talon167]

I have a gen3 RTF2 with the gills. I like them. They're unique.

[johnnywitt]

I have a gen3 RTF2 with the gills. I like them. They're unique.

RTF Gillies IMO are like a movie that doesn't do well in the initial Box Office run, but then, later, turns into a real cult favorite.

[brianc142]

RTF Gillies IMO are like a movie that doesn't do well in the initial Box Office run, but then, later, turns into a real cult favorite.
I would pretty much agree to that. I don't see the point in them. They aren't as functional as the straight grooves and really don't look very good. (IMO of course) I remember thinking when they introduced them, "WTF?" They are only cool now because they are no longer offered. I have a G17 RTF2 with them and I would rather have the straight serrations. As to not stray too far away from the thread, I will add that I'm looking forward to one of these G17's. I think Larry nailed it with the specs if you're a Glock guy.

[C4IGrant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYdjsShvIhk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=Vickers+Tactical&utm_campaign=2daa98150d-Lipseysh11_13_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e8623f8faf-2daa98150d-310106497&mc_cid=2daa98150d&mc_eid=748a8300a5



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[plouffedaddy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYdjsShvIhk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=Vickers+Tactical&utm_campaign=2daa98150d-Lipseysh11_13_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e8623f8faf-2daa98150d-310106497&mc_cid=2daa98150d&mc_eid=748a8300a5



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http://youtu.be/NYdjsShvIhk

[LoveAR]

Threaded barrel option?

[snaggletooth]

Have these firearms come out yet? I know it is through Lipsey's dealer network, however I haven't found a dealer that has one. They all tell me they have it on their wish list, but I was wondering if there are dealers that have them already

[Myrideishot]

There is some on gun broker now.

[plouffedaddy]

Haven't seen many G17s yet...

[Larry Vickers]

Haven't seen many G17s yet...

Both models are coming in batches - the tritium front sight is the bottleneck

G17's should be available very soon

[plouffedaddy]

Both models are coming in batches - the tritium front sight is the bottleneck

G17's should be available very soon

Thank you sir. Glad to hear it. Now if Lipsey's would just post updates (maybe on FB...) when they get these in stock. My dealer keeps missing the batches.

[Watrdawg]

Definitely looking at the G19. Going to be next on my list

[Funtogun]

Sweet..thanks for the heads up. I love the floor plates BTW.

[t15]

just bought a 19 from J&J Sports LLC for $625. I called ahead first to make sure they were actually in stock and he said they only put things on their website if they are in stock and are very particular about their inventory. well, as soon as I refreshed the page from my order it went to out of stock! never done business with these guys, but lots of 5 star reviews on facebook and the man i spoke with was very helpful.

looks like they still have 17's in stock, go getem boys.

https://www.jjgunsupply.com/p-1611-glock-17-rtf2-fde-vickers-tactical.aspx

https://www.jjgunsupply.com/p-1560-glock-19-rtf2-fde-vickers-tactical.aspx

oh, and happy holidays M4C!

[plouffedaddy]

Just finished up my LAVG17 review:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVoNQjGITA

[Nightstalker865]

Mike, I watched your review this morning and it has made it even harder to resist buying one of these!




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[plouffedaddy]

Mike, I watched your review this morning and it has made it even harder to resist buying one of these!




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Just give in :D

[Phillygunguy]

Just finished up my LAVG17 review:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCVoNQjGITA
Nicely done!

[Eurodriver]

I see Grant has them in stock for $640.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?search=action&searchstart=18&category=GLOC

Considering the mag plates and sights, it's not that much more than a stock Gen4.

However, I'm not sold on the texture. I noticed LAV said emory cloth tones the RTF2 down a bit. Anyone else have experience with this?

[Nightstalker865]

I see the G19 on his site. Are you seeing the G17 as well? His site isn't the easiest to navigate and find products on.


That link above has them for $625. Has anyone found them in stock for a better price than that?

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[Mirnyx]

LGS in Minneapolis had the 17 version in their case at $669. Kinda like the RTF2 feel, probably going to pick up a 19 soon.

[brushy bill]

I'm trying to understand the attraction to these. LAV posted on the pros of aluminum mags vs polymer due to degradation some time ago (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?145532-Now-is-the-time-to-stockpile-magazines) and stated, "All plastic deteriorates over time." From what I have read, FDE and other colors of polymer are less resistant to deterioration than black. So, you are paying more (as compared to a black LE priced Glock and get 2 mags instead of 3) for what is theoretically a pistol with shorter longevity. I might be missing something here, and I get if you don't like it don't buy it, but can anyone explain this to me? If you plan to attend the LAV training, the coupon may make it worthwhile, but otherwise?

[gun71530]

I'm trying to understand the attraction to these. LAV posted on the pros of aluminum mags vs polymer due to degradation some time ago (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?145532-Now-is-the-time-to-stockpile-magazines) and stated, "All plastic deteriorates over time." From what I have read, FDE and other colors of polymer are less resistant to deterioration than black. So, you are paying more (as compared to a black LE priced Glock and get 2 mags instead of 3) for what is theoretically a pistol with shorter longevity. I might be missing something here, and I get if you don't like it don't buy it, but can anyone explain this to me? If you plan to attend the LAV training, the coupon may make it worthwhile, but otherwise?

Because the RTF2's are highly sought after.

[LoveAR]

Because the RTF2's are highly sought after.

Why are they?

[Free Agent]

I picked up a LAV G19 from my FFL the other day and the finish on the slide looks completely different than my other 19 and my gen4 17. It looks very matte. Anyone else notice this?
Also I might have a LAVG19 up for sale soon.

[MountainRaven]

Why are they?

Because Glock doesn't make them anymore. And the texture is something those in the know thought well of.

[plouffedaddy]

I picked up a LAV G19 from my FFL the other day and the finish on the slide looks completely different than my other 19 and my gen4 17. It looks very matte. Anyone else notice this?
Also I might have a LAVG19 up for sale soon.

Glock slide color/finish seems to vary a good bit over the last couple years. But, the nitride is a surface treatment so the protection is there either way.

[Free Agent]

Glock slide color/finish seems to vary a good bit over the last couple years. But, the nitride is a surface treatment so the protection is there either way.

I see. I have an older gen3 19 a newer gen4 17 and a old G21 and the finish looks identical on all three. The finish on the LAV g19 I just got looks awful. I'm not too concerned with how the pistol looks, it just took me by surprise.

[civilian]

I'm not going to run out and buy this thing purely because it has LAV's name attached to it. In fact, since I already have a RTF2 Glock 17 and a Gen 3 19, I'm not planning on buying one period. But a few answers to your question:

1. Plastic likely does deteriorate over time, but how much so is a crap shoot. It's entirely possible you could go your entire life shooting a Glock on a fairly regular basis and not see any meaningful damage to the frame that would require replacement. I am unaware of any metric that says a FDE Glock frame lasts XXX number of days/months/years than a black Glock frame. In the polymer world, smaller objects (magazines for eg) have proven to be weaker when the color is added than their black counterparts, but even that occurs on a case-by-case basis. I suspect a FDE Glock will last a significantly long time and assuming the frame fails you would turn to Glock for potential warranty work. I also know that in the world of hard use guns, everything eventually fails. If your assumption is a FDE Glock will only last half as long as a black Glock, I believe you are wrong though neither of us have any hard data to back up our assumptions.
2. Like it or not, this is a special edition gizmo. Special edition crap will always cost a little more than the regular stuff. You are unlikely to find this particular set of features anywhere else. Whether you're willing to pay more for it is a subjective question only you can answer. I personally love the grip texture of the RTF2 frame and wish Glock had continued to offer it across their model line (I own a total of about 7 Glocks in various calibers). I have a Gen 4 17, a Gen 3 RTF2 17, and a Gen 3 19. The Gen 3 19 required modifications to get the grip where I wanted it. The Gen 4 has been in the safe (a first release Gen 4) since the original reports of issues with the RSA pending replacement of that part, but will likely require similar grip work. I haven't touched the grip on the RTF2. It's grippy in all the right places. I'm not a big fan of the slide serrations, but I'm not stroking the thing in bed at night and could care less how it looks. If it had been available in FDE at the time it was released I would have bought it in that color. It now wears a field expedient rattle can paint job. Some people like nice, clean, black guns. I like dirty hard use guns in any color other than black. Had I not already owned my Glocks, I would have considered the LAV model to get the features and color I want.
3. Once you add the costs of the small parts included with this pistol, you're paying about what you would have paid for a regular black Glock with those parts added. I have aftermarket night sights, and several of the LAV parts that come with this gun, and I'd be looking at about $650-700 locally to get a Glock 17 up to the same specs, assuming a starting price of about $550 locally for the stock Glock.


I'm trying to understand the attraction to these. LAV posted on the pros of aluminum mags vs polymer due to degradation some time ago (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?145532-Now-is-the-time-to-stockpile-magazines) and stated, "All plastic deteriorates over time." From what I have read, FDE and other colors of polymer are less resistant to deterioration than black. So, you are paying more (as compared to a black LE priced Glock and get 2 mags instead of 3) for what is theoretically a pistol with shorter longevity. I might be missing something here, and I get if you don't like it don't buy it, but can anyone explain this to me? If you plan to attend the LAV training, the coupon may make it worthwhile, but otherwise?

[Ranger325]

I picked up a LAV G19 from my FFL the other day and the finish on the slide looks completely different than my other 19 and my gen4 17. It looks very matte. Anyone else notice this?
Also I might have a LAVG19 up for sale soon.

Might you sell it because you are not pleased or do you have two?

[Free Agent]

Might you sell it because you are not pleased or do you have two?

I do have two, but I would sell it because it's just not for me.
I've never had hands on a rtf2 frame and I was also interested in the sights it came with. The rtf2 frame isn't impressive (I prefer the gen4) and I'm not a fan of the sights what so ever. I'll either replace it with a gen4 or finally get around to trying a M&P9.

[ndmiller]

That link above has them for $625. Has anyone found them in stock for a better price than that?

I picked up the G19 version for $619 locally, essentially the same price. I'd been shooting my current G19 since purchased in the early 90's and this version is an upgrade for sure. Now for the NY reload holster so I can carry both.

[Ranger325]

I do have two, but I would sell it because it's just not for me.
I've never had hands on a rtf2 frame and I was also interested in the sights it came with. The rtf2 frame isn't impressive (I prefer the gen4) and I'm not a fan of the sights what so ever. I'll either replace it with a gen4 or finally get around to trying a M&P9.

Thanks for the feedback...............

[BangBang77]

I dropped by my local gun shop yestersay to pick up a G42 for my wife's Christmas present and low and behold, they had one of the LAV G17s, so I dropped a 100 on it.

Dropped back in there this morning and traded a well used USP 45c for it straight across the board and used to $100 deposit to grab another G42 for myself.

I put around 600rds thru the LAV G17 this afternoon and I'm impressed. This is the first Glock I've owned with the RTF2 grip texture and I dig it. The sights are excellent and I really like the sight picture with the WCs on there. They remind me of the 10-8 sights on my 1911s. This one is definitely a keeper and if I can locate a G19 locally, I'm snagging it.

Kudos to LAV, Lipseys, and Glock!!!

[Bowser]

Anyone notice what the ejection is like on these pistols? I have a the LAV 19 but I haven't been able to shoot it yet. Curious to see if I will need to replace the ejector to a Gen 4 version or not...

[cathellsk]

I had to replace mine, a 19 LAV. Ejection was pitiful, from barely dribbling out to going over my left shoulder and I'm a righty. Once it was replaced with the GEN4 ejector...no more issues, became boringly consistent.

[Davemac]

How does the FDE color hold up to grip mods ? Sanding and sculpture and
maybe a grip reduction ? Look Any different than black ?

[MountainRaven]

How does the FDE color hold up to grip mods ? Sanding and sculpture and
maybe a grip reduction ? Look Any different than black ?

Check the Glock picture thread. Lots of pictures of them with stippled frames and other modifications.

[plouffedaddy]

How does the FDE color hold up to grip mods ? Sanding and sculpture and
maybe a grip reduction ? Look Any different than black ?

Here you go.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwx1lQgGqrs

[Larry Vickers]

I do have two, but I would sell it because it's just not for me.
I've never had hands on a rtf2 frame and I was also interested in the sights it came with. The rtf2 frame isn't impressive (I prefer the gen4) and I'm not a fan of the sights what so ever. I'll either replace it with a gen4 or finally get around to trying a M&P9.

Sounds like it's not the gun for you then !!! I'm sure you'll find someone who will be interested in it - Lipseys routinely sells these out within a few hours once they receive a new batch. They sold 800 in 6 hours earlier in Dec

[kantstudien]

Larry, would you recommend changing the ejector to a Gen 4 and/or swapping the factory extractor with an Apex unit?

[Davemac]

Thanks plouffedaddy. I needed that.

[Davemac]

Thanks I needed that . Now if I can find one? [QUOTE=plouffedaddy;2050796]Here you go.

[tylerw02]

All I can say is I'm loving these things this far. On finish: my 17 had a little circle on it near the ejection port with the finish off out of the box. Not a big deal, but it is evidence of varying finish. My 19 has a perfect finish out of the box, though it lacked the Wilson sticker and training cert---maybe gun shop people got it or it wasn't there at all. Not a big deal either way since my 17 came w/one. I doubt I'll be fortunate enough to take any of Larry's courses until after I'm finished with school a year from now.

Larry, loving this set up. I've been a Heinie guy but your new sights are growing on me. The LAV 19 may replace my existing G19 as a carry gun if I can get the balls to sand down the texture just a bit. Also, would you recommend a DOT connector for these? The DOT was night and day in my early production Gen4 G19.


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[BangBang77]

Also, would you recommend a DOT connector for these? The DOT was night and day in my early production Gen4 G19.


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Tyler

I'm not a Glock guy so forgive me if the following question is "stupid". I'm a 1911 guy who has dabbled in HKs the last couple of years and this LAV G17 is only my third Glock.

What is a DOT connector? I've seen this referenced in other Glock related threads and was just curious.

[tylerw02]

Tyler

I'm not a Glock guy so forgive me if the following question is "stupid". I'm a 1911 guy who has dabbled in HKs the last couple of years and this LAV G17 is only my third Glock.

What is a DOT connector? I've seen this referenced in other Glock related threads and was just curious.

The DOT connector is a trigger components used as Glocks fix for early complaints on the Gen 4 triggers. They were significantly heavier than 5.5 lbs as advertised due to a change in geometry from the new modular frames along with a new safety feature on the trigger bar. The DOT, named so for the ( . ) marking on the connector. They are "for Gen 4" only guns technically, but many feel they are more crisp and less spongey than a 3.5 lb/minus (-) connector when installed in a Gen 3 Glock.

My LAV G17 has a very spongey, sloppy trigger compared to my other Gen 3 or my LAV 17. I'm not such a big fan of the minus connectors I have, so I was considering a dot, and am curious of LAV's thoughts on one of these pistols. I had to install some DOTs on my early early Gen 4 guns and the improvement was obvious, but I haven't put one in a Gen 3.


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[scottryan]

Are there any plans to make these in black instead of tan?

[Jackal556]

Are there any plans to make these in black instead of tan?

As far as what has been released, no.

[JB13]

Larry, would you recommend changing the ejector to a Gen 4 and/or swapping the factory extractor with an Apex unit?


I am changing out the ejector in my 19. I have 700 rounds through it an was sporadically getting BTF.

[Myrideishot]

I am changing out the ejector in my 19. I have 700 rounds through it an was sporadically getting BTF.

Let us know if it works for you. I'm having the problem with mine at over 500 rounds. Other than that it has been flawless and I'm starting to really enjoy these sights.


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[JB13]

I wasn't expecting to like the sights but I really enjoy them. I originally bought the pistol it for the RTF2 frame and figured I would give a sights a chance for the price. I have no complaints I am sure the ejector will fix it, I did it to my gen3 17 about 2 years ago and it never had an issue after. That said the ejector should be here in a couple days.

[Myrideishot]

I wasn't expecting to like the sights but I really enjoy them. I originally bought the pistol it for the RTF2 frame and figured I would give a sights a chance for the price. I have no complaints I am sure the ejector will fix it, I did it to my gen3 17 about 2 years ago and it never had an issue after. That said the ejector should be here in a couple days.

If you don't mind me asking, which one and where did you order it from? I would like to try it too.


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[BangBang77]

The DOT connector is a trigger components used as Glocks fix for early complaints on the Gen 4 triggers. They were significantly heavier than 5.5 lbs as advertised due to a change in geometry from the new modular frames along with a new safety feature on the trigger bar. The DOT, named so for the ( . ) marking on the connector. They are "for Gen 4" only guns technically, but many feel they are more crisp and less spongey than a 3.5 lb/minus (-) connector when installed in a Gen 3 Glock.

My LAV G17 has a very spongey, sloppy trigger compared to my other Gen 3 or my LAV 17. I'm not such a big fan of the minus connectors I have, so I was considering a dot, and am curious of LAV's thoughts on one of these pistols. I had to install some DOTs on my early early Gen 4 guns and the improvement was obvious, but I haven't put one in a Gen 3.


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Tyler

Thanks for the in-depth explanation on the connector. Coming from the HK USP LEM trigger ( and before that the 1911), the Glock trigger isn't all that great, although it isn't bad either. I may look into the (-) connector for mine to see if I can improve it a little. I'm sure with another 1000rds down the pipe and I'll settle in, but I may do some upgrades in the meantime.

Much appreciated....

[tylerw02]

Tyler

Thanks for the in-depth explanation on the connector. Coming from the HK USP LEM trigger ( and before that the 1911), the Glock trigger isn't all that great, although it isn't bad either. I may look into the (-) connector for mine to see if I can improve it a little. I'm sure with another 1000rds down the pipe and I'll settle in, but I may do some upgrades in the meantime.

Much appreciated....

No problem, hopefully it smoothed out for you. Like most, they get better with rounds.


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[Ranger325]

Picked up my LAV G19 last night, gave it a cleaning and installed the slide stop, mag release. base pads, a grip plug and a Grip Force Adapter. Trip to the range is planned for Friday morning. Looking forward to running a couple hundred rnds thru it. I am interested in the connector portion of the discussion. Is anyone changing them out? This is really my first step into Glock's, so we're learning as we go.

[Bruce in WV]

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[BBPD]

Took my Vickers G19 for it's first test drive today after owning it for a month (I have a 8 month-old NIB human being, 2014 F-model that keeps me pretty busy).
Holy cow. I carry a P226 (40 Cal) for duty use. I shot circles around that. I think the Wilson sights are the huge difference- I seem to find, and line up, my sight picture a lot faster with this gun from the holster. After 50 rounds, I put on a GripForce adapter, only because I am the king of slide bite when it comes to Glocks. It seems to set my hands up in the right place a lot faster then when I didn't have it on.
The discount card is a nice touch- I need to contact Alias and see if the discount applies to combined Carbine / Pistol classes- LAV is hosting one in my AO this summer.
If you have a chance to get one of these guns, do it. I got several comments from other people at the range asking where they can buy a "brown glock", and one random guy even came over to compliment my groups with it. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I have a magic G19...

[Jackal556]

Picked up my LAV G19 last night, gave it a cleaning and installed the slide stop, mag release. base pads, a grip plug and a Grip Force Adapter. Trip to the range is planned for Friday morning. Looking forward to running a couple hundred rnds thru it. I am interested in the connector portion of the discussion. Is anyone changing them out? This is really my first step into Glock's, so we're learning as we go.

The one I would say is stick with a Glock connector. I tried two ghost connectors and had problems with them.

[DWood]

I just bought one locally and really like the RTF2. I prefer Hackathorn sights but will give the Vickers/Wilson Combat a try. This will be will become my daily carry. I use an X Concealment OWB (my favorite) but just picked up a new Sawyer Concealment for a G19 w/ APL to try a carry gun with light.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/LAVG10andSawyerHolster_zpsa9b329f6.jpg

[Up1911fan]

I was all set to order one of these until I found a great deal on an FDE Gen4 (my preference) G17. I'd still like to pick one up to have, but having standardized on Gen4's this made more sense for me.

[kwelz]

Sorry to play Necromancer and Rez this thread.

Picked up my LAV Glock 17 today. Great gun, added my threaded barrel and I believe it is going to become a permanent suppressor host. However I do have one question.

I noticed that the finish on the slides of these was very different than all my other Glocks. Have they changed the finish or is this something special for these specific guns?

[tylerw02]

The finish on my two is similar to my Gen 4s. Way smoother than my Gen3 guns. There is some variance.


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[kwelz]

Must be a Gen4 Vs Previous Gen thing. All of my other Glocks were Pre Gen 4 introduction.

[rushca01]

Must be a Gen4 Vs Previous Gen thing. All of my other Glocks were Pre Gen 4 introduction.

I believe the difference is between slides finished in the US vs Austria. The U.S. uses a different finishing method, as whatever the method used in Austria is not EPA compliant here.

[mayonaise]

I believe the difference is between slides finished in the US vs Austria. The U.S. uses a different finishing method, as whatever the method used in Austria is not EPA compliant here.

That's incorrect. The finish process in the US is the same as in Austria.

[rushca01]

That's incorrect. The finish process in the US is the same as in Austria.

Not to argue but what I have heard/read is that the Austrian clocks are treated with a tennifer process which produces cyanide as a by product which is a no no in the U.S. so they switched to a melonite prices in the U.S.

[mayonaise]

That's not correct. Glock stopped using the tenifer process quite a while ago. Austrian and US made slides and barrels are finished using the exact same nitration process.


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[plouffedaddy]

That's not correct. Glock stopped using the tenifer process quite a while ago. Austrian and US made slides and barrels are finished using the exact same nitration process.


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Correct. Has been for a while.

[DWood]

For those who have shot their LAV Glocks, how has POA VS POI been with the Wilson Combat sights?

[tylerw02]

Mine has been where it should be. I haven't shot past 15 yards but I was where I should be with a 6 o'clock hold. What about everybody else?


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[bowman57_2]

Very interested in getting my hands one since I've been wanting a gen3 19 but never liked the grip texture. Never tried the rtf2 but it looks like what Im lookin for. As far as the pistol goes fresh out of the case, am I right in assuming everything is exactly like a standard gen 3 aside from the fde, texture, and sights until you add the extras it comes with?

[Battlepack]

Mine has been where it should be. I haven't shot past 15 yards but I was where I should be with a 6 o'clock hold. What about everybody else?


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Ditto for me on the sights.

My trigger is a little heavy for my tastes (I'm a 1911 guy). However, I dropped in a "-" connector and then it was too light for my tastes. I'm hoping the stock trigger breaks in some. I haven't had a Glock since 1992 and I'm loving it so far.

[tylerw02]

I put a dot connector in mine and I'm quite pleased with it. You could also consider putting a NY1 spring in yours.


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[Razorhunter]

Can anyone tell me if a Trijicon HD front sight would work with the stock LAV rear sight?
I really like the LAV rear, but this front sight needs to be much brighter for me. I love the Triji HD's

[Guns-up.50]

Can anyone tell me if a Trijicon HD front sight would work with the stock LAV rear sight?
I really like the LAV rear, but this front sight needs to be much brighter for me. I love the Triji HD's

Yes HD fronts are .215 they match up with the LAV rear depending on you cal. The only issue i had with it was the hds are quite wide and fill nearly the entire rear sight notch.

[Razorhunter]

"depending on you cal" ???
Thank you Sir, but not quite sure what you mean here.

[patriot_man]

I've gotten ~1,000 out of my LAV 17 and probably ~200 with the LAV 19. So far it's great!

They are the only Glocks I own anymore.

[jandbj]

http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz45/jandbj/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/19E48145-2EDE-4E39-BB42-D775BA0E02A9_zps2lypvkyu.jpg (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/jandbj/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/19E48145-2EDE-4E39-BB42-D775BA0E02A9_zps2lypvkyu.jpg.html)

[Guns-up.50]

"depending on you cal" ???
Thank you Sir, but not quite sure what you mean here.

Sorry yeah the LAV guns are 9mm I have several different caliber glocks with this same sight set up. The .45, 10mm require taller front sights. That aside yes the sights will work sorry again

[Razorhunter]

Thanks Guns up, I gotcha. Another question for you LAV G19 guys.... Can anyone definitively tell me if there is a particular/specific shade of FDE cerakote to be used doing the G19 slide? Or is there only one shade of FDE Cerakote?

[Larry Vickers]

Guys if it's ok I'll jump in and answer some of your questions;

I use a yellow/green Trijicon HD front sight with my Wilson/Vickers sights on a G17 - the gun shoots a little higher because of the sight height difference but its not anything you can't live with IMO

We tried to get the same connector in the Lipseys- LAV guns as in the G34 & G35 but Glock said no

If you Cerakote the slide to match the frame make sure you check the color match in natural lighting ( outside) - inside lighting can make it look much different

I'm glad you guys like the pistols - if you have one treasure it as most likely that exact configuration will never be done again; we are planning a sequel but it won't be the same as these pistols

[kvdef-tac]

I ordered a 17 this past weekend. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it.

[tylerw02]

Larry, is there anywhere to buy just a front Trijicon HD? I've thought about going Ameriglo, too. Looks like the closest they have is proglo in .140" wide and .220" or .240".


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[Larry Vickers]

Larry, is there anywhere to buy just a front Trijicon HD? I've thought about going Ameriglo, too. Looks like the closest they have is proglo in .140" wide and .220" or .240".


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Call Trijicon direct - I have gotten them seperate of the rear sight before

[tylerw02]

Thanks, appreciate it.


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[bowman57_2]

just picked up my 19 about an hour ago, sn# 45xx. its my first time handling a rtf2 but i already love it, the grip is perfect and its not even close to being too rough. its 100x better than the gen 4 in my opinion, only thing i dont like about it is the baby poop green frame but i can live with it.

[Vash1023]

green?

the frame is similar to magpul FDE, are you sure you have a vickers gun?

[bowman57_2]

Greenish brown, whatever you wanna call it but it is a pretty close match to a fde mbus sight i have. I ordered it from glockmeister so im assuming its a real one

[Knorth]

I just picked up my Vickers G19. My first Glock and I'm pretty excited. This is a really nice set up, I will be taking it to the range sometime next week. I signed up for one of LAVs courses at the end of the year and will be bringing this as well.

[Chiral]

green?

the frame is similar to magpul FDE, are you sure you have a vickers gun?

FDE/green it's like the gun equivalent of that stupid gold and white dress thing on the interwebs lately.

[Razorhunter]

Can someone please tell me the specs on the stock LAV G19 front sight? I don't have my damn caliper or mic with me where I'm currently living (away from my shop), and I'm basically trying to determine if a Tru Glo TFX front sight will work with the stock LAV rear.
Hell, if anyone has the specs on the TFX front sight, I'd appreciate that too. Didn't see this info on the TruGlo website.

[tylerw02]

They are published on the Wilson combat page.


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[El Cid]

FYI - In my search for a Gray Glock 19, I came across this:

G17: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1750003gf/
G19: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1950003gf/

As far as I can tell it appears to be a place holder for a Gray LAV/RTF2 run of Glocks (17 and 19).

[Flankenstein]

FYI - In my search for a Gray Glock 19, I came across this:

G17: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1750003gf/
G19: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1950003gf/

As far as I can tell it appears to be a place holder for a Gray LAV/RTF2 run of Glocks (17 and 19).

Sure does. I wish desert sand and OD green were as "cool" as FDE and grey are nowadays. I'm a sucker for OD and light tan.

[Eurodriver]

FYI - In my search for a Gray Glock 19, I came across this:

G17: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1750003gf/
G19: http://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glock-handguns/glk-pt1950003gf/

As far as I can tell it appears to be a place holder for a Gray LAV/RTF2 run of Glocks (17 and 19).

$729?!!

[El Cid]

$729?!!

LMAO! My thoughts exactly! And the G17 is $699, but they likely realize the G19 is the hottest Glock there is. For that price it would need to come with a case of 9mm and a hooker.

[jck397]

it would need to come with a case of 9mm and a hooker.

Best. Business. Plan. Ever.

[lawusmc0844]

Sure does. I wish desert sand and OD green were as "cool" as FDE and grey are nowadays. I'm a sucker for OD and light tan.

Same here I love OD green, especially VN era OG-107 shade. I would buy an all OD green Glock in a heartbeat, black and FDE are getting boring lol.

[Eurodriver]

LMAO! My thoughts exactly! And the G17 is $699, but they likely realize the G19 is the hottest Glock there is. For that price it would need to come with a case of 9mm and a hooker.

You aren't kidding!!

[C4IGrant]

LMAO! My thoughts exactly! And the G17 is $699, but they likely realize the G19 is the hottest Glock there is. For that price it would need to come with a case of 9mm and a hooker.

Dealers can charge whatever they like. My guess is that they will be the same price as the FDE ones.


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[fullmetalredhead]

Buds Gunshop is currently asking $504 for a Gen3 G17, so take that as the base price. Now, add up the respective prices of the included upgrades.

$504 G17 R3
$50 Wilson Combat / Vickers tritium front sight
$46 Wilson Combat / Vickers rear sight
$20 Vickers Tactical slide stop
$17 Vickers Tactical mag release
$8 Vickers Tactical mag plates

This comes to about $645. Now add in the "limited edition" and "RTF2 grip" factors and it's not really that far of a stretch to get to $699. Also, the last Vickers Glock came with a coupon for (I think) 25% off any Vickers Tactical class so there's that too.

[C4IGrant]

Buds Gunshop is currently asking $504 for a Gen3 G17, so take that as the base price. Now, add up the respective prices of the included upgrades.

$504 G17 R3
$50 Wilson Combat / Vickers tritium front sight
$46 Wilson Combat / Vickers rear sight
$20 Vickers Tactical slide stop
$17 Vickers Tactical mag release
$8 Vickers Tactical mag plates

This comes to about $645. Now add in the "limited edition" and "RTF2 grip" factors and it's not really that far of a stretch to get to $699. Also, the last Vickers Glock came with a coupon for (I think) 25% off any Vickers Tactical class so there's that too.

We sold the FDE ones for $640 so I imagine these will be the same price.

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=G17LAV-FDE



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[tylerw02]

I picked up a 19 and 17 in tan last year. I gave $620 and $640 so I imagine you'll be able to find a better deal just by shopping around.


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[Nightstalker865]

Ohh that gray is going to be so tempting.


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[Bryan84]

LAV 19 is a sweet setup and the grey will even more popular. Hopefully LAV will do a OD Green next year!

[jpmuscle]

Glock really really needs to bring back the RTF frame as a standard product. Like yesterday.

[Cartel]

After having read this thread in its entirety, I was convinced that the G17 + G19 RTF2's were the next firearms that I needed to purchase. Lo and behold, I found a G17 RTF2 locally via one of my favorite local gun shops (Franklin Gun Shop - Franklin, TN)! I am happy to report that S/N LAV1065 if officially on layaway + will be home in less then 30 days!

[Nightstalker865]

After having read this thread in its entirety, I was convinced that the G17 + G19 RTF2's were the next firearms that I needed to purchase. Lo and behold, I found a G17 RTF2 locally via one of my favorite local gun shops (Franklin Gun Shop - Franklin, TN)! I am happy to report that S/N LAV1065 if officially on layaway + will be home in less then 30 days!

Congrats. I still want to pickup one of the G17's.


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[Cartel]

Congrats. I still want to pickup one of the G17's.


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Thank you, sir! After 29 long days, she is finally home! I look forward to putting her through her paces at the range this afternoon!

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/986S/25C844D4-0B25-4493-BE38-0A70289F7CB3_zpsrbdeofeu.jpg (http://s640.photobucket.com/user/986S/media/25C844D4-0B25-4493-BE38-0A70289F7CB3_zpsrbdeofeu.jpg.html)

[ccasanova]

My first Glock

[methical20]

Is there any more info on the potential LAV Glock - Grey release? I've been searching high and low for a G19 but cannot find one.

[MountainRaven]

LAV just posted info on the Mk2 guns on FB.

Salient points: Grey, RTF2, Gen3, matching base plates, green FO front, new TangoDown/Vickers grip plug/tool. Limited production, 19 and 17, 5000 of both being made and 1700+ sold as of Vickers's last post. Will post pictures up when I get home, unless somebody beats me to it.

[Vandal]

I just want the Glock Tool grip plug.

[WickedWillis]

I just want the Glock Tool grip plug.

Is this something that is actually coming out?

[Chiral]

LAV just posted info on the Mk2 guns on FB.

Salient points: Grey, RTF2, Gen3, matching base plates, green FO front, new TangoDown/Vickers grip plug/tool. Limited production, 19 and 17, 5000 of both being made and 1700+ sold as of Vickers's last post. Will post pictures up when I get home, unless somebody beats me to it.


Nice! Will have to consider one of each.

[Vandal]

Is this something that is actually coming out?

The one coming with the Vickers Gray Glocks is built by Tango Down, not sure if it it will be offered for wide release.

[brushy bill]

Is this something that is actually coming out?

That is what I'm interested in finding out about as well.

[platoonDaddy]

Is this something that is actually coming out?

Dealer in MD is advertising he will receive his on Thur or Friday.

[MountainRaven]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/2035_10156319286900416_192080248049196666_n_zps0vdblnhy.jpg
Side-by-side.

And the tool/plug:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/Jagdraben/12369068_10156319286915416_947320953202530966_n_zpslbdwl2qz.jpg

SSD Article (http://soldiersystems.net/2015/12/15/lipseys-announces-vickers-tacticallipseys-exclusive-grey-glocks/).

Production numbers are 2000 model 17s and 3000 19s.

[sac]

Do these have the LAV serial numbers also?

[MountainRaven]

And the plug/tools are up on TD's website.

https://tangodown.com/shop/vickers-tactical-grip-plug-takedown-tool-for-glock-ggt01/

[Flankenstein]

So glad I don't like the grey frames...BFG already making me broke and having me add more dupe models of pistols I don't need.

[Mirnyx]

Do these have the LAV serial numbers also?

No LAV serial numbers on these.

[FlyingHunter]

And the plug/tools are up on TD's website.

https://tangodown.com/shop/vickers-tactical-grip-plug-takedown-tool-for-glock-ggt01/

Those are clever. I'm snagging one when Gen 4 is available.

[Knorth]

Those are clever. I'm snagging one when Gen 4 is available.

I've had one of the grip plugs/tool for a couple of months now on my G19. It works great, and the tool definitely comes in handy. I like it better than the standard Glockmeister I had. This plug is easy to remove when needed and it fits more flush with the magazine. Another well designed accessory from LAV and Tango Down.

[R0CKETMAN]

So glad I don't like the grey frames...BFG already making me broke and having me add more dupe models of pistols I don't need.

I think the gray=Badassery

[buckshot1220]

Honestly I kind of wish they'd make them in black. I already own a G4 17 in FDE and I'm not crazy about the Gray (maybe it'll grow on me). A Vicker's 17 in black would have me throwing my money at Glock/Lipsey's.

[Kain]

And the plug/tools are up on TD's website.

https://tangodown.com/shop/vickers-tactical-grip-plug-takedown-tool-for-glock-ggt01/

Damn, if those been out and I had known about them a month ago that would have mag christmas shopping a little easier. A handful of those would have made nifty stocking stuffers.

[C4IGrant]

Our shipment is coming!

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[jpmuscle]

I wish they'd incorporate the gen4 mag release into these offerings with the RTF frame.

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[Big A]

I wish they'd incorporate the gen4 mag release into these offerings with the RTF frame.

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Then we would finally achieve Glock Perfection.

[7.62NATO]

Our shipment is coming!

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Will they have "LAV" serials?

[beastonakron]

Honestly I kind of wish they'd make them in black. A Vicker's 17/19 in black would have me throwing my money at Glock/Lipsey's.This please.

[BatteryOperated]

I just want one of the new Tango Down Grip Plugs for my FDE 17. I haven't been able to find them for sale yet.

[R0CKETMAN]

I just want one of the new Tango Down Grip Plugs for my FDE 17. I haven't been able to find them for sale yet.

see post 171?

[Larry Vickers]

No LAV serial numbers on these.

The last 5000 LAV serial numbers were already allocated for another project we are working on - these were a byproduct of the popularity of the grey Glocks in general from Lipseys. Since these are the ONLY grey gen 3 RTF2 frame Glocks we ever intend on making we felt the lack of the LAV serial number was no big deal

[BatteryOperated]

Thank You, I checked Tango Down yesterday when I saw them on the grey frames. It seems that the plugs were not yet posted online at the time. They are not really necessary, but make the pistol more aesthetically pleasing and complete to me.

[Larry Vickers]

Thank You, I checked Tango Down yesterday when I saw them on the grey frames. It seems that the plugs were not yet posted online at the time. They are not really necessary, but make the pistol more aesthetically pleasing and complete to me.

They should be up for sale on Tangodown now

[methical20]

The last 5000 LAV serial numbers were already allocated for another project we are working on - these were a byproduct of the popularity of the grey Glocks in general from Lipseys. Since these are the ONLY grey gen 3 RTF2 frame Glocks we ever intend on making we felt the lack of the LAV serial number was no big deal

Could that other project be Black RTF2 Vickers Glock 17/19s? These special releases have been great. Thanks for getting these done.

[drtywk]

My dealer just called and said to come pick up my 19. Can't wait to wring it out.

[MountainRaven]

My dealer just called and said to come pick up my 19. Can't wait to wring it out.

That was fast. But I guess if it shipped on Tuesday, that's about the right time frame.

Will be interesting to see when the shops local to me get them in.

[Chiral]

That was fast. But I guess if it shipped on Tuesday, that's about the right time frame.

Will be interesting to see when the shops local to me get them in.

Got notice my new LAV grey G19 is shipping from Glockmeister today...can't wait for some xmas range time!

[7.62NATO]

The last 5000 LAV serial numbers were already allocated for another project we are working on - these were a byproduct of the popularity of the grey Glocks in general from Lipseys. Since these are the ONLY grey gen 3 RTF2 frame Glocks we ever intend on making we felt the lack of the LAV serial number was no big deal

How many grey Gen 3 RTF2 frame Glocks will be made? Half 19s, half 17s?

[Chiral]

3000 g19 and 2000 g17

[Mrgunsngear]

3000 g19 and 2000 g17

Yup. One of the G17s is mine :D

[7.62NATO]

The 19s will sell out first, no doubt.

[C4IGrant]

We got ours in.


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[El Cid]

We got ours in.


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May have missed it but I don't see them on the site. What's your price? How do they compare to the old black RTF2's? I ask only because it's been posted in this thread they are less aggressive in texture. Thanks!

[C4IGrant]

May have missed it but I don't see them on the site. What's your price? How do they compare to the old black RTF2's? I ask only because it's been posted in this thread they are less aggressive in texture. Thanks!

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=G19LAV-GRY

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=G17LAV-GRY


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[7.62NATO]

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=G19LAV-GRY

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=G17LAV-GRY


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Is the frame texture less aggressive than the original RTF2 texture, or exactly identical, except for the color of course?

[brushy bill]

Those are clever. I'm snagging one when Gen 4 is available.

I ordered a few to try out. Like the concept, but the earlier ones on market from other companies weren't just right. This looks like the ticket.

[Joe R.]

7.62NATO, the frame texture is slightly less aggressive than the original RTF2 frames on both of the LAV Glocks I have received and those I have handled.

[jpmuscle]

Then we would finally achieve Glock Perfection.
Fix the grip angle and it would be very difficult for me to argue with such a claim.

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[El Cid]

Fix the grip angle and it would be very difficult for me to argue with such a claim.

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$25 Grip Force Adapter does that.


7.62NATO, the frame texture is slightly less aggressive than the original RTF2 frames on both of the LAV Glocks I have received and those I have handled.

Thanks.

[cutter_spc]

Fix the grip angle and it would be very difficult for me to argue with such a claim.

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I'l second that!

[cutter_spc]

$25 Grip Force Adapter does that.



Thanks.

Not in my experience, what it does do is make it so that I feel like I am am holding a 2x4 at a very odd angle.

[jpmuscle]

$25 Grip Force Adapter does that.



Thanks.
My .02 is that the gfa is beyond hokey.

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[saints75]

Yup. One of the G17s is mine :D

I take it a review will be coming soon. I like to see how the Glock plug/ tool works.

[El Cid]

My .02 is that the gfa is beyond hokey.

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Not sure what you mean. I have them on almost every Glock I own and it works as advertised. Fills in the grip and stops slide bite. I'll be ordering another for the gray RTF2 frame that's in its way to me.

[jpmuscle]

Not sure what you mean. I have them on almost every Glock I own and it works as advertised. Fills in the grip and stops slide bite. I'll be ordering another for the gray RTF2 frame that's in its way to me.
My meaning is that while it does work as advertised it's a less than elegant solution to an already less than palatable problem lol.

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[Mrgunsngear]

I take it a review will be coming soon. I like to see how the Glock plug/ tool works.

One of these days. I actually shot a video with LAV on the FDE RTF2 G19 a while back that I still haven't posted up. I suppose in due time :D

[Mirnyx]

Ordered two of the LAV G19's when they were announced and picked them up tonight. Really like the gray / RTF2 combo. Sights will get replaced and might do some minor trigger work but this should be a standard Glock offering.

[El Cid]

It's been a while since I handled a black RTF2 gun so I can't say for sure, but I'm inclined to believe the others here that these new guns are less aggressive. Still for my desired purpose I believe it will work. I bought just the frame so it's wearing my 17L upper (only gen 3 Glock I own).

Pics compare it to a gray Gen 4.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/FullSizeRender_zpsbc4ztxca.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1650_zps4bfgqrtz.jpg

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_1647_zpsqihmirwy.jpg

[Mirnyx]

I can't feel any difference between the gray and black RTF2.

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[KiloHotelWhiskey13]

Nor can I. The black is a 2011 model and has a very aggressive texture. I can't discern any difference between it and the gray. However, my FDE Vickers is noticeably less aggressive than the other two. Interestingly, I also own two older RTF2 17s and they're both less aggressive than my 19s. I guess texture varies from gun to gun.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/23/61ed4b5cc800f67abfbdb8d0badf964b.jpg

[m4brian]

Would love to see a Gen4 with RTF2 and the scallops they used to have, or even just more aggressive slide serrations. I am a Glock Bite victim, so the Gen 4 with GFA is nice. Love the Glock FDE color also.

[djegators]

Was able to get one of the 19s....guess since they are reportedly sold one, gonna have to keep it for personal use ;)

[MountainRaven]

Just a heads-up for folks, but the grip plug/tool is not compatible with the Taran Tactical magazine extensions if you're running them on the default size/length magazines (so G17 magazines with TTI extension in a G17 with the LAV grip plug/tool is no bueno, ditto G19 mags, TTI extensions, G19 pistol, LAV grip plug/tool - G17 mags, TTI extensions, G19 pistol should be fine). The steel pin that keeps the TTI extensions from moving forward off the magazine bump straight into the tool and prevent the magazines from seating.

It does look like they should work fine with Magpul PMags, although the Magpul base plate does press directly against the plug/tool, so live fire will be necessary to determine if there are any issues.

[Blstr88]

It does look like they should work fine with Magpul PMags, although the Magpul base plate does press directly against the plug/tool, so live fire will be necessary to determine if there are any issues.

I just picked up a Vickers G19 with the grip plug/tool and grabbed a Magpul mag as well...I fired 5 rounds from the PMAG with no issues.

[JG007]

my grey gen4 19 is a little rough on bare skin for AIWB, would wonder if RTF2 would be too much

[BangBang77]

my grey gen4 19 is a little rough on bare skin for AIWB, would wonder if RTF2 would be too much

I have one of the FDE LAV G17s and a couple of Gen4 G17s. The Gen4s don't bother my skin a bit, but my LAV RTF2 chews my skin and my undershirts up. So much that it has been relegated to OWB under a vest or hoodie. No more IWB with that one.

YMMV....

[R0CKETMAN]

I have one of the FDE LAV G17s and a couple of Gen4 G17s. The Gen4s don't bother my skin a bit, but my LAV RTF2 chews my skin and my undershirts up. So much that it has been relegated to OWB under a vest or hoodie. No more IWB with that one.

YMMV....

Super easy fix with light and precise sanding and will look unaltered to most.

[Mikill Drengr]

I prefer RTF2. The only way this could be better in my eyes would be if it came with the fish gill slide cuts and maritime cups.

That's funny some people like those fish gill side cuts, while they look cool for me they are very ineffective. They are cut in the opposite direction as to give a useful grip.

[JG007]

Did they make models with gills going both ways?

[WickedWillis]

Did they make models with gills going both ways?

Not that I have ever seen.

[methical20]

Here's to hoping that the next wave of Vicker's RTF2 Glocks will have black frames.

[beastonakron]

Here's to hoping that the next wave of Vicker's RTF2 Glocks will have black frames.
I sure hope so as well.

[jpmuscle]

Here's to hoping that the next wave of Vicker's RTF2 Glocks will have black frames.


I sure hope so as well.
With gen 4 mag catches

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[El Cid]

Glock 34 RTF2 in gray.

http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz209/El_CidAF_ResQ/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_2249_zpss73feeix.jpg

[w3453l]

Here's to hoping that the next wave of Vicker's RTF2 Glocks will have black frames.

+1

It'll give us CA peasants a decent chance at owning one.

[JHC]

That's funny some people like those fish gill side cuts, while they look cool for me they are very ineffective. They are cut in the opposite direction as to give a useful grip.

Any more so than tread on tires that does not run perpendicular or against the direction of forward travel? I'm not sure the direction mattered so much as for the same height of a slide, a curved cut provides more surface area to provide "bite".

[KiloHotelWhiskey13]

Couldn't stand it. Had to go back & get the 17. Apparently the pressure was more than I could bear.http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/08/55a4aea1c6e42bbd1cd988bea5ab7cb2.jpg

[R0CKETMAN]

Couldn't stand it. Had to go back & get the 17. Apparently the pressure was more than I could bear.

Are those the back straps it came with?....not gray??

[Nightstalker865]

Are those the back straps it came with?....not gray??

Those are grip force adapters. The Gen 3 guns do not come with interchangeable back straps like the Gen 4.


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[R0CKETMAN]

Those are grip force adapters. The Gen 3 guns do not come with interchangeable back straps like the Gen 4.


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Thanks I'm an idiot

[7.62NATO]

Ordered a grey Vickers G17. The top of the slide was significantly scratched. Is anyone else seeing scratches on their Vickers Glocks? The distributor confirmed there is a scratched batch floating around.

[Mr. Goodtimes]

I may have to pick up one of the grey ones


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[MountainRaven]

I've only ever seen two grey LAV Glocks but neither one had scratched slides.

[KiloHotelWhiskey13]

My two are scratch free.

[mark7]

My two are also scratch free. . .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/alf2109/Grock/IMG_2087_zpsftkwgwti.jpg

[trob_205]

Here's to hoping that the next wave of Vicker's RTF2 Glocks will have black frames.

I think you're in luck. If you go to his Facebook page there was a guy asking him if he'll do a run in black and his response was "no comment..:cool:"

[w3453l]

I really hope it happens soon. I never really warmed up to Glocks, but the RTF2 frames were the ones I liked most. And I would like to have at least one Glock just because of the widespread commonality.

[jpmuscle]

They really need to do the RTF frame with the gen 4 mag release... Dare I say the perfect Glock.

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[w3453l]

Is the Gen 4 mag release that much better than the aftermarket Vicker's mag release? I remember liking the Gen 4 release, but I never tried the Vicker's version. Add to that I most likely won't be getting a Gen 4 Glock anytime soon.

[Atombomb]

Looking for one all over, looks like they are sold out everywhere or the prices are too jacked up.

[mhmx233]

Ya I have been trying to find the grey Vickers 19 for a while and the only ones I can find are way too much. Luckily I got a FDE Vickers 17 when they came out that is still new and never been shot. I'm looking for someone who will trade me my 17 Vickers for their 19 Vickers or just a 19 Vickers to buy.

[BatteryOperated]

Good Luck on finding the grey Vicker's. According to the Vicker's You Tube Channel interview with Lipsey's, the 5,000 pistols sold out in 4 days. I doubt you will be finding a "good deal" for one at this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fYewDF36KM

[samuse]

There's a bunch of 'em on Gunbroker.....

[RHINOWSO]

Wonder what the next color will be. Fuschia? Rustic Blue?

Can't wait.

[Chiral]

Pretty sure LAV hinted at black on his Facebook page a few weeks ago......


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