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So a friend of mine bought a SDN6 and while waiting on the paperwork to get approved the shop declared bankruptcy and shut down. The owner never called him and informed him that his papers were approved back in April. The shop used their efile email so friend had no idea they were approved months before they shut down. On top of that, the owner never mentioned to him that they were closing up shop, they just made an facebook post saying they were closed and he was like WTF.
Now the dealer has the suppressor and friend has contacted the NFA to figure out what to do. NFA basically told him to pound sand and it is not their problem and to get a lawyer. The owner refuses to call my friend and only responds by email rarely. He told the owner he was going to get a lawyer and the owner was like that is fine I'll give him my bankruptcy lawyer's number.
Needless to say my friend is pretty pissed right now and I am just trying to see if anyone might have any information on what to do.
Thoughts?
Eurodriver
12-09-14, 09:36
I'm no expert, but from my limited knowledge of bankruptcy there isn't much he can do.
The transfer was never made, so he doesn't own the suppressor. The dealer classified his payment as unearned revenue, and barring any strange state law, the bankruptcy cleared him of that liability.
A lawyer will cost far more than another SDN6 will cost.
skijunkie55
12-09-14, 10:09
Did said friend actually purchase the suppressor from the dealer? If he forked out a grand for the can and the payment was processed, how can it be said he doesn't "own" it? He would have paid for the can, paid the $200 tax stamp to have been approved... So gun shop owner gets to keep the money and the can? That doesn't make sense...
If the Form 4 was approved he's supposed to have 90 days to transfer it, otherwise he's in illegal possession. I'm not a lawyer.
Everything was paid for up front the suppressor and the tax. The form was actually approved in June I said April early by mistake either way its almost 6 months.
Euro, I understand what you are saying but would the dealer not be in some kind of illegal ownership as the suppressor was transferred by the shop and now he has it in his individual possession.
Sinister, do you know where I can find that?
Sinister, I guess you were right. I told friend what you said and he called the NFA and they told him the same thing. Friend is now in contact with the local Sheriff and NFA office. We shall see what happens next.
If the Form 4 was approved he's supposed to have 90 days to transfer it, otherwise he's in illegal possession. I'm not a lawyer.
This, inform the ATF of this and let the former shop owner know you are doing it....my guess is his attitude will change.
I don't have much to add onto what has already been stated. I believe the shop owner will be f***ed by the long dick of the law, but I'm not a lawyer or NFA expert. Keep us informed on how this turns out. I'm interested to see where it goes
domestique
12-09-14, 13:25
Is the shop in PA (Gun Dealer Online)?
I had a similar situation (guy stole 1,800 from me). My credit card company after months of fighting reimbursed me 90% of my money.
Moral of story, only buy cans that are in stock (or from a large internet company like Silencer shop to transfer), and from businesses in good standing (check BBB, etc. ).
Is the shop in PA (Gun Dealer Online)?
I had a similar situation (guy stole 1,800 from me). My credit card company after months of fighting reimbursed me 90% of my money.
Moral of story, only buy cans that are in stock (or from a large internet company like Silencer shop to transfer), and from businesses in good standing (check BBB, etc. ).
This was from a local business and that had been established for around 2 years or so. The suppressor was in stock at the time of purchase.
Eurodriver
12-09-14, 14:06
Did said friend actually purchase the suppressor from the dealer? If he forked out a grand for the can and the payment was processed, how can it be said he doesn't "own" it? He would have paid for the can, paid the $200 tax stamp to have been approved... So gun shop owner gets to keep the money and the can? That doesn't make sense...
I do not know anything about NFA laws as they pertain to FFLs and I won't pretend to. What I'm speaking of is strictly business transactions.
If the suppressor was liquidated during the bankruptcy, what can anyone do at this point?
If he still has the can, that's a different story. But you were unearned revenue - a liability. Just like all of his debt. The bankruptcy absolved him of that. His business was probably formed under a now defunct LLC that provides personal protection from the owner anyway.
Your options are limited, OP. If you paid with a CC initiate a charge back. Your friend can't sue him because it wasn't him that was the entity that did the sale. You can't get a suppressor that he doesn't have. Think of it like this:
A business owns a machine that is financed by a signature loan. The business goes under and they sell the machine to bobs machine store. The business files bankruptcy. The bank can't get the machine or their money back, legally.
All of this assumes he does not have the can anymore. If he does, then the ATF will be the one to contact, but I doubt they can do anything. It's still his can. He doesn't have to transfer it.
The 90 days sinister refers to is the amount of time that it can be transferred before having to reapply. Not some deadline dealers must adhere to for legal reasons.
domestique
12-09-14, 14:25
This was from a local business and that had been established for around 2 years or so. The suppressor was in stock at the time of purchase.
Gotcha,
how much are we talking here?
Most small claims court fees cost 100-200 dollars to file, I believe there is also a grace period on filing with regards to bankruptcy.
Another option is your State's consumer protection agency.
A lot will be state dependent, and your friend will have to decide if the trouble is worth the money lost.
File a police report. It's theft.
domestique
12-09-14, 14:36
Also,
The local PD didn't want to give me the time of day UNTIL there were others that came forward. I would have your friend contact the local ranges, forums etc to find others that are out of money. Then go to the local PD. Chances are he broke some laws while liquidating sold assets. In my particular case the owner was keeping consigned gun sales without paying back the original owners.
skijunkie55
12-09-14, 14:57
I do not know anything about NFA laws as they pertain to FFLs and I won't pretend to. What I'm speaking of is strictly business transactions.
If the suppressor was liquidated during the bankruptcy, what can anyone do at this point?
If he still has the can, that's a different story. But you were unearned revenue - a liability. Just like all of his debt. The bankruptcy absolved him of that. His business was probably formed under a now defunct LLC that provides personal protection from the owner anyway.
Your options are limited, OP. If you paid with a CC initiate a charge back. Your friend can't sue him because it wasn't him that was the entity that did the sale. You can't get a suppressor that he doesn't have. Think of it like this:
A business owns a machine that is financed by a signature loan. The business goes under and they sell the machine to bobs machine store. The business files bankruptcy. The bank can't get the machine or their money back, legally.
All of this assumes he does not have the can anymore. If he does, then the ATF will be the one to contact, but I doubt they can do anything. It's still his can. He doesn't have to transfer it.
The 90 days sinister refers to is the amount of time that it can be transferred before having to reapply. Not some deadline dealers must adhere to for legal reasons.
So with OP's friend being the owner of the suppressor by way of 1. buying it, and 2. having it transferred to him via Form 4 which is currently approved making him the legal owner of the item, how would he not have any legal ground to take him to court over this? If the guy bought the can and has the approved form 4, would not the dealer just be a storage locker for his suppressor at this point? The FFL / SOT is the "holder" of the suppressor until it get's into the owners hands. His storefront going out of business shouldn't have anything to do with that, and he shouldn't be able to sell something that is now registered to someone else? That would be like a self-storage company taking my motorcycle and selling it because they went bankrupt, while it sits in a unit I am currently renting from them.
Maybe I'm just oversimplifying this? Regardless, this sucks and I hope the guy at least gets his money back...
Eurodriver
12-09-14, 15:29
It comes down to this:
Was the business an LLC or some other entity that has limited liability for the owners?
Does the LLC have any assets left?
If the answer to #1 is Yes, and #2 No, then you really can't do much.
If he can claim fraud (which, given the lack of understanding Of the NFA process by everyone, is very difficult) he can pierce the corporate veil and go after the owners assets.
But is the battle worth it? By the time you have hired a lawyer and waited for a court date you could have paid for and received a new can at that point. I'm all about taking it to the man and sticking it to him, but that's a road I wouldn't bother taking.
Wouldn't a big factor be whether or not the Form 4 was approved before or after he went out of business? If it was before he went under and went out of business I'm assuming he would be in deep shit for selling a suppressor that wasn't his.
domestique
12-09-14, 15:35
It comes down to this:
Was the business an LLC or some other entity that has limited liability for the owners?
Does the LLC have any assets left?
If the answer to #1 is Yes, and #2 No, then you really can't do much.
If he can claim fraud (which, given the lack of understanding Of the NFA process by everyone, is very difficult) he can pierce the corporate veil and go after the owners assets.
But is the battle worth it? By the time you have hired a lawyer and waited for a court date you could have paid for and received a new can at that point. I'm all about taking it to the man and sticking it to him, but that's a road I wouldn't bother taking.
Not sure how it is in NC, but in PA the courts have really been cracking down on LLC'S. Gone are the days of screwing people over, closing a business and then opening another one the next day.
OP, did your buddy talk with the local ATF office yet?
If the Form 4 was approved he's supposed to have 90 days to transfer it, otherwise he's in illegal possession. I'm not a lawyer.
No such time limit. Hence why ATF told him to "pound sand".
OP you need to find out who has silencer. IF dealer no longer has it, that is a big problem. If he has it, you need to charm him into transferring it to you. Keep in mind if you piss him off, he can legally cancel the stamp. Then you get nothing.
Eurodriver
12-09-14, 16:37
Not to keep beating a dead horse, but...
http://www.atg.wa.gov/outofbiz.aspx#.VId4HTg5C70 (For Washington state, but applies federally)
WHEN A STORE OWES YOU MONEY OR MERCHANDISE
If you paid for merchandise or services you haven’t received, talk to the store’s owner about receiving a refund or your order. Many businesses will try to make good on the deal. Unfortunately, we’ve also received complaints from consumers who never received their custom-designed furniture, as well as couples who were denied refunds when the venue they reserved for their wedding declared bankruptcy before they exchanged their vows.
Tip: Prevent problems by paying small deposits. When you order merchandise that will be delivered in the future, such as furniture or a bridal gown, a store usually asks for a deposit. Always ask the retailer the minimum deposit it will accept. Pay with a credit card because laws provide you with safeguards if the business fails to deliver the merchandise.
If you paid for your merchandise by credit card, you can request a refund of your deposit from the credit card issuer. The procedures to request a "chargeback" are explained on the back of your credit card statement.
If the business has filed for bankruptcy, you can file a claim with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court where the business filed to try to recover what you’re owed.
Bankruptcy law spells out who gets paid first from any available assets. Administrative costs for the bankruptcy case are first in line. Next are "secured creditors" whose claims are secured by the business' property or other assets. Farther down in priority are "unsecured creditors;” as a consumer creditor who has paid for goods never received, you're ordinarily in that category. You may receive all, some or none of your deposit. Consumers should weigh the potential benefits of a successful or partially successful claim against the inconvenience and expense of pursuing the claim.
You usually have only 90 days from the bankruptcy filing date to file a claim. Contact the clerk of the bankruptcy court to obtain a standard "proof of claim" form. You can also download one at http://www.uscourts.gov/bkforms. You’ll need to know the identifying name and number of the bankruptcy case and provide copies of receipts and records.
Wouldn't a big factor be whether or not the Form 4 was approved before or after he went out of business? If it was before he went under and went out of business I'm assuming he would be in deep shit for selling a suppressor that wasn't his.
It wouldn't be a factor at all.
Based on a quick Google search, the op's friend is in a situation that is relatively common and I can't find a single situation where the owner had bounced out of town and was forced to pay back money or give the suppressor back. I am not an attorney, but I did take a statewide test that says I know a little bit about how companies and bankruptcies work. I like delivering good news, but the OP's buddy is up a creek without a paddle financially. The ATF might be able to pursue criminal charges (unlikely), but that doesn't put a penny in his pocket. Given that it's "super evil silencer" related, he might have a decent shot at piercing the corporate veil, but at what cost?
I do not know anything about NFA laws as they pertain to FFLs and I won't pretend to. What I'm speaking of is strictly business transactions.
If the suppressor was liquidated during the bankruptcy, what can anyone do at this point?
If he still has the can, that's a different story. But you were unearned revenue - a liability. Just like all of his debt. The bankruptcy absolved him of that. His business was probably formed under a now defunct LLC that provides personal protection from the owner anyway.
Your options are limited, OP. If you paid with a CC initiate a charge back. Your friend can't sue him because it wasn't him that was the entity that did the sale. You can't get a suppressor that he doesn't have. Think of it like this:
A business owns a machine that is financed by a signature loan. The business goes under and they sell the machine to bobs machine store. The business files bankruptcy. The bank can't get the machine or their money back, legally.
All of this assumes he does not have the can anymore. If he does, then the ATF will be the one to contact, but I doubt they can do anything. It's still his can. He doesn't have to transfer it.
The 90 days sinister refers to is the amount of time that it can be transferred before having to reapply. Not some deadline dealers must adhere to for legal reasons.
And who would this be liquidated to? A bank?
A bank can't have legal possession of it.
The silencer is legally the transferee's on the Form 4.
The silencer has been paid for and the transfer is approved. Everything else about bankruptcy law is irrelevant.
Fire_Medic
12-09-14, 20:07
Scott,
Your pm box is full......
BlackAnkleMunitions
12-09-14, 20:17
And who would this be liquidated to? A bank?
A bank can't have legal possession of it.
The silencer is legally the transferee's on the Form 4.
The silencer has been paid for and the transfer is approved. Everything else about bankruptcy law is irrelevant.
Agreed. Once the can was in process on the Form 4 for the buyer, it could never be transferred to another entity without the Form 4 being cancelled.
I am very interested in where all of the dealer's inventory now resides. The local ATF office should be the only one's able of taking possession of the inventory and dispersing for the bank handling the bankruptcy. They would also have taken possession of the dealer's A&D book and all completed 4473s.
Has your friend tried contacting the local ATF office. They should be contacted immediately if not.
Eurodriver
12-09-14, 20:42
And who would this be liquidated to? A bank?
A bank can't have legal possession of it.
The silencer is legally the transferee's on the Form 4.
The silencer has been paid for and the transfer is approved. Everything else about bankruptcy law is irrelevant.
If the suppressor is legally the transferee's why does a 4473 need to be filled out? The OP's buddy (from hereon referred to as OPB) does not own the suppressor.
What's actually irrelevant is all of this back-and-forth banter because whether we agree or not doesn't change OPB never seeing his money or suppressor. I'm not at all referring to the criminal aspect to all this, just talking about what Aaron's main man can expect. If the dealer isn't intimidated by certified letters from attorneys there isn't shit anyone can do without spending many thousands of dollars on an attorney, piercing the corporate veil, and going after personal assets. Period.
If the company went out of business without proof of gross (or even ordinary) negligence, then the veil stays and he can pound sand like everyone else the LLC owed money to.
Good reading here from someone in a similar situation that consulted an attorney:
I'm afraid I have to agree with you, James K. I must had a long discussion with my friend the lawyer. He says he's done some more research into the matter, and he says that according to how NFA transfers work, I do NOT actually own the guns yet, even though I have paid for them. I have what is the equivalent of a contract for the dealer to deliver the guns to me once BATFE issues the stamps. This technically means that if the dealer decides to go out of business, I am out of luck. Also if the dealer decides to just screw me and take off, I can't even file a police report because the dealer technically still owns the guns. My only remedy would be to sue in civil court, which would be worthless if the dealer went out of business.
And because the transfer doesn't legally happen and can be voided by either party up until the 4473 is signed and transfer made - it matters not whether the ATF put a stamp on a piece of paper.
It's an open and shut case.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5574457
A 4473 is done, because it's required by law. The bottom line is the dealer was the legal owner of the suppressor. Once that Form 4 was approved, the ownership was transferred to the new purchaser and the 4473 is a formality. If that dealer no longer has it in his possession then he actually has some serious issues. And you can bet that it's probably more than one item.
From the Form 4.
5. Cancellation of Approved Application. The transferor may cancel an approved application only if the physical transfer of the firearm has not been completed. The transferor must return the approved application with the tax stamp affixed with a written request for cancellation, citing the need and that the physical transfer of the firearm did not take place. The NFA Branch will arrange for a refund of the tax paid
Someone should be calling NFA Branch to get something in writing and someone should be contacting the local BATF field office.
If the suppressor is legally the transferee's why does a 4473 need to be filled out? The OP's buddy (from hereon referred to as OPB) does not own the suppressor.
What's actually irrelevant is all of this back-and-forth banter because whether we agree or not doesn't change OPB never seeing his money or suppressor. I'm not at all referring to the criminal aspect to all this, just talking about what Aaron's main man can expect. If the dealer isn't intimidated by certified letters from attorneys there isn't shit anyone can do without spending many thousands of dollars on an attorney, piercing the corporate veil, and going after personal assets. Period.
If the company went out of business without proof of gross (or even ordinary) negligence, then the veil stays and he can pound sand like everyone else the LLC owed money to.
Good reading here from someone in a similar situation that consulted an attorney:
And because the transfer doesn't legally happen and can be voided by either party up until the 4473 is signed and transfer made - it matters not whether the ATF put a stamp on a piece of paper.
It's an open and shut case.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5574457
I'd say the dealer had better be alot more worried about the BATFE than the bankruptcy court.....They are gonna want this item secured one way or another...
Scott,
Your pm box is full......
All too common. The private message limit on this forum is absurd.
OP, if the transfer was done it's your can. Period. No bankruptcy court can tell the BATFE to pound sand just like bankruptcy can't keep you from paying taxes owed. The feds get their way and if the can was transferred to you in their eyes.... it's yours.
Op, your buddy needs to get in touch with the bankruptcy trustee. At the same work the atf angle.
My bet, If you can get someone at ATF to talk to the trustee, that may be you best and possibly only chance.
Ain't jack gets done in bk without the trustee signing off.
Going after them in a civi court is a total waste of time. Judge will just laugh at you. Bankruptcy court trumps all. Fraud it's the only thing that gets the bankruptcy judges excited. Again, go through the trustee. Don't bother hiring a lawyer, doubtful it will increase chances, it will only deflate your wallet even more.
Eurodriver
12-10-14, 10:18
A 4473 is done, because it's required by law. The bottom line is the dealer was the legal owner of the suppressor. Once that Form 4 was approved, the ownership was transferred to the new purchaser and the 4473 is a formality. If that dealer no longer has it in his possession then he actually has some serious issues. And you can bet that it's probably more than one item.
From the Form 4.
5. Cancellation of Approved Application. The transferor may cancel an approved application only if the physical transfer of the firearm has not been completed. The transferor must return the approved application with the tax stamp affixed with a written request for cancellation, citing the need and that the physical transfer of the firearm did not take place. The NFA Branch will arrange for a refund of the tax paid
Someone should be calling NFA Branch to get something in writing and someone should be contacting the local BATF field office.
From your quote
The transferor may cancel an approved application only if the physical transfer of the firearm has not been completed.
Has the physical transfer taken place?
No.
OP's buddy is out of luck guys. The ATF is going to say its a civil matter.
Eurodriver
12-10-14, 10:30
Op, your buddy needs to get in touch with the bankruptcy trustee. At the same work the atf angle.
My bet, If you can get someone at ATF to talk to the trustee, that may be you best and possibly only chance.
Ain't jack gets done in bk without the trustee signing off.
Going after them in a civi court is a total waste of time. Judge will just laugh at you. Bankruptcy court trumps all. Fraud it's the only thing that gets the bankruptcy judges excited. Again, go through the trustee. Don't bother hiring a lawyer, doubtful it will increase chances, it will only deflate your wallet even more.
Bingo.
BlackAnkleMunitions
12-10-14, 10:46
From your quote
Has the physical transfer taken place?
No.
OP's buddy is out of luck guys. The ATF is going to say its a civil matter.
This is all clearly stated in the NFA Handbook.
If the FFL was created as a sole proprietorship, all of the inventory belongs to the owner. The ATF is still required to be notified of the dealer going out of business and will take possession of all of the records as I stated earlier.
If the FFL was created as an entity, all of the inventory MUST be transferred. Again, the ATF is still required to be notified of the dealer going out of business and will take possession of all of the records as I stated earlier.
The rules for an FFL going out of business are clearly stated and are provided to every dealer during the interview. NFA items throw a whole other wrinkle in as whoever is handling the bankruptcy can't simply take possession of the items, they must be transferred. This is the same transfer of a Form 3 per item to another FFL/SOT or a Form 4 per item to an individual or entity ($200 per item). If the buyer calls the NFA branch and checks his serial number, and they list it as approved to him, that tells you no transfers have taken place.
The buyer needs to contact the local ATF office, that is it.
This is all clearly stated in the NFA Handbook.
If the FFL was created as a sole proprietorship, all of the inventory belongs to the owner. The ATF is still required to be notified of the dealer going out of business and will take possession of all of the records as I stated earlier.
If the FFL was created as an entity, all of the inventory MUST be transferred. Again, the ATF is still required to be notified of the dealer going out of business and will take possession of all of the records as I stated earlier.
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I do not waste my time with the NFA Handbook as it is riddled with errors. But if this is what it says, that is another error. FFL created with entities do not have to transfer inventory. Inventory stays with entitity. Only things needed to be transferred would be post-sample machine guns. If it says ATF takes all records, that is an error too. Most records the dealer keeps. A&D, 4473 get forwarded.
Keep in mind bankruptcy does not invalidate your FFL. That continues to be valid.
Notice that it says "may" which gives permission to do so. But, there is still the issue of an approved tax stamp with someone's name on it, and as suppressor which has yet to be accounted for.
From your quote
Has the physical transfer taken place?
No.
OP's buddy is out of luck guys. The ATF is going to say its a civil matter.
Just an update. Buddy is in contact with the local BATF office and local Sherriffs office. I haven't heard anything else as of yet.
To touch base on what has been mentioned so far. The forms were approved well before the shop closed up. Also, currently he has no idea where the suppressor is located. Not sure if the dealer still has in his possession or not, I'm not sure how that works once you close a buisness but I hope for his sake that he has it in some form of possession.
Eurodriver
12-10-14, 20:09
I re-read my posts and I hope I'm not coming off as a negative nancy, I'm just trying to be real.
I sincerely hope your buddy gets his can (best scenario) or some money (good scenario), I just don't see, barring extraordinary circumstances, how the ATF will really be of help here.
Dealers can lose their inventory in "boating accidents", too...
Dealers can lose their inventory in "boating accidents", too...
Sure can, and they better have filed a 3310.11 within 48 hours of discovery....
No worries man, I told him not to use this dealer anyways. They started out great but after being in buisness for a few months they started getting shitty. I stopped using them long before hand as it just became more of a pain in the ass.
Euro, your such a negative Nancy.....
I'm with you on all of this, try to be positive, but... I have zero knowledge on firearms in bankruptcy, but I know a ton of people that have been aired out on bankruptcies.
The one guys payout is 20 years for $2,000ish. $8 and change a month. No interest.
Talk about getting hosed tommy.
Eurodriver
12-13-14, 22:10
Funny, I thought we were all adults and this forum prides itself on the dissemination of facts.
I guess from now on we just tell people what they want to hear. I mean, Domestique got his suppressor back...oh wait...
domestique
12-14-14, 00:05
Funny, I thought we were all adults and this forum prides itself on the dissemination of facts.
I guess from now on we just tell people what they want to hear. I mean, Domestique got his suppressor back...oh wait...
+1.
I would still be out my entire (1,800) if it wasn't for my credit card company (13 months after purchase refunding my money!) + Garin from Surefire providing me the damning evidence I needed.
+1.
I would still be out my entire (1,800) if it wasn't for my credit card company (13 months after purchase refunding my money!) + Garin from Surefire providing me the damning evidence I needed.
What about the tax stamp cost? And the time wasted :(
I know I've been taken to the woodshed so many times in my life that I've lost count.
I've accepted the fact that if I didn't bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck.
+1.
I would still be out my entire (1,800) if it wasn't for my credit card company (13 months after purchase refunding my money!) + Garin from Surefire providing me the damning evidence I needed.
You did well. You got most of your money back. I'd call that a win, as much as it can be a least.
domestique
12-14-14, 01:15
What about the tax stamp cost? And the time wasted :(
The ATF refunded my tax stamp. That's how I found out about the problem (random treasury check showing up at my door).
Losing the time, energy, and added frustration did suck.
Moral to my story: only buy cans that are in stock at reputable dealers, or through legit online companies (silencer shop, quiet riot etc. )
I've always worried about fly-by-night FFL's for NFA items that sit there for so long. As long as the ATF had been taking to turn around forms I'm surprised he hadn't started seeing this more often to be honest with you. I know in the end you're out LOTS of time but at least you were put right financially speaking so the situation could have been a lot worse. You might also mention your credit card company by name too and give them some props because they went above & beyond the call of duty right there. Worthy of giving credit where credit is due.
Now use this as an excuse to take advantage of that $200 Damn the Man rebate from AAC and couple it with the sale prices over at SilencerShop. I got a few already and my buddy just ordered up five (lol) because it's one of the sweeter suppressor deals I've seen in a while.
domestique
12-14-14, 13:46
Jer,
As requested. First Bank Card (NRA card).
Well it seems like everything will be good to go on the 30th. Dealer/owner called friend and they set up a meeting time and date for the transfer. We will see when the date gets here.
Eurodriver
12-24-14, 22:41
That is outstanding news, and just about the only way to get your buddy his can.
Why did the dealer flake out to begin with?
Really don't know. I am going with him as I have a few questions. Like, why is he charging my friend an extra $50 for the transfer when the owner had the suppressor in his shop when friend purchased it. I won't drill him to hard until after friend has the can in hand though lol.
I'm going to guess that he held everything on the advice of his lawyer. Just a guess though.
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