MarkB1
01-14-15, 17:04
I have been told and read that the measurement of a pistol's OAL is from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the muzzle without any removable muzzle device. I've also read that extending a brace off the end of the buffer tube to increase the OAL does not increase the legal OAL as the measurement is to the end of the buffer tube and not to the end of the attachment on the buffer tube
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?118998-New-Stabilizing-Brace-for-AR15-Pistol-quot-SB15-quot&p=1925183&highlight=measure+arpistol+AOL#post1925183
Post #114
Now confusion enters thanks to the BATF.
Thordsen Customs has received a letter from the BATF dated Dec. 18, 2014, that seems to change this.
http://siterepository.s3.amazonaws.com/2675/atf_response_letter_for_ar_pistol_pack.pdf
Thordsen Customs posted a summary of the letter and stated:
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NEW ATF OPINION LETTER
Back in October, we sent a letter to BATFE Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch (FTISB) requesting clarification and opinions on several topics related to our newest AR pistol buffer tube/saddle kit designs. We received their response on December 23rd and have spent the last few days going over it. The reply was not in the usual Q and A format, so we’ve decided to release both our letter and their response to make it easier to understand the framing of their answers. See below.
Here are the highlights.
1.Our buffer tube cover/ saddle combinations ARE NOT a “firearm” and DO NOT reclassify an AR pistol to SBR, provided that it is used as designed (a cheek rest) and not shouldered. (page 2 paragraphs 1-2 and page 3 paragraph 1).
2.Use of a longer extension tube or spacers that cause a “pistol” to achieve an overall length greater than 26” could reclassify it as a “firearm” (page 3, paragraph 2).
3.The use of an AR type extension tube, or similar component, which allows for the installation of a saddle/cheek enhancement on a platform other than an AR pistol (example, an AK pistol), IS PERMISSIBLE provided that it is used as designed (a cheek rest) and not shouldered. (page 3, paragraph 3-4).
The language regarding shouldering was not unexpected given that BATFE has recently reversed their position on other AR/AK pistol related accessories. Regardless of BATFEs reversal of opinion, we believe that our pistol builder’s packs are still the best option for safety, control, utility, and aesthetic cheek rest for pistol variants. We will continue to work on the anticipated release of our updated pistol builders packs.
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I've highlighted in bold the line in question. It seems to imply that the OAL can be changed by using spacers. I believe that the spacers would be used on the buffer tube cover and the spacers would move the buffer tube cover to the rear increasing the OAL. This seems to contradict the earlier opinions on how to measure the OAL.
Which method is correct?
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?118998-New-Stabilizing-Brace-for-AR15-Pistol-quot-SB15-quot&p=1925183&highlight=measure+arpistol+AOL#post1925183
Post #114
Now confusion enters thanks to the BATF.
Thordsen Customs has received a letter from the BATF dated Dec. 18, 2014, that seems to change this.
http://siterepository.s3.amazonaws.com/2675/atf_response_letter_for_ar_pistol_pack.pdf
Thordsen Customs posted a summary of the letter and stated:
______________________________________________
NEW ATF OPINION LETTER
Back in October, we sent a letter to BATFE Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch (FTISB) requesting clarification and opinions on several topics related to our newest AR pistol buffer tube/saddle kit designs. We received their response on December 23rd and have spent the last few days going over it. The reply was not in the usual Q and A format, so we’ve decided to release both our letter and their response to make it easier to understand the framing of their answers. See below.
Here are the highlights.
1.Our buffer tube cover/ saddle combinations ARE NOT a “firearm” and DO NOT reclassify an AR pistol to SBR, provided that it is used as designed (a cheek rest) and not shouldered. (page 2 paragraphs 1-2 and page 3 paragraph 1).
2.Use of a longer extension tube or spacers that cause a “pistol” to achieve an overall length greater than 26” could reclassify it as a “firearm” (page 3, paragraph 2).
3.The use of an AR type extension tube, or similar component, which allows for the installation of a saddle/cheek enhancement on a platform other than an AR pistol (example, an AK pistol), IS PERMISSIBLE provided that it is used as designed (a cheek rest) and not shouldered. (page 3, paragraph 3-4).
The language regarding shouldering was not unexpected given that BATFE has recently reversed their position on other AR/AK pistol related accessories. Regardless of BATFEs reversal of opinion, we believe that our pistol builder’s packs are still the best option for safety, control, utility, and aesthetic cheek rest for pistol variants. We will continue to work on the anticipated release of our updated pistol builders packs.
________________________________________________
I've highlighted in bold the line in question. It seems to imply that the OAL can be changed by using spacers. I believe that the spacers would be used on the buffer tube cover and the spacers would move the buffer tube cover to the rear increasing the OAL. This seems to contradict the earlier opinions on how to measure the OAL.
Which method is correct?