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The PMAG 17 GL9 is a 17 round Glock 9mm handgun magazine featuring a new proprietary all-polymer construction for flawless reliability and durability over thousands of rounds. High visibility anti-tilt follower, SS spring, easily removable floorplate for cleaning, Dot matrix for mag marking, ridged floorplate edges for better grip, 17rd indicator windows. Drops free loaded or unloaded. The same boring reliability you expect from an OEM magazine. MSRP $15.95
I wondered when Magpul was going to get into the handgun magazine market.
Yeah, for that price I'll take a couple, or ten.
Interesting price point...
Undercut Glock themselves. The real benefit here is that since there IS no steel reinforcing the mags wont expand over time resulting in sticky mags. Hmm...i wonder how well these will drop free.
I wonder how durable the feed lips will be considering there is no steel reinforcing. At 15 dollars a piece, i almost dont care...
Now I have to buy pistol mags. :(
I don't even like shooting pistol.
Interesting price point...
Undercut Glock themselves. The real benefit here since there IS no steel reinforcing is that the mags wont expand over time resulting in sticky mags. Hmm...i wonder how well these will drop free.
I wonder how durable the feed lips will be considering there is no steel reinforcing. At 15 dollars a piece, i almost dont care...
It took some doing in order to get them to drop free all the time and still be 100% reliable, especially when left loaded at high temperatures for long periods of time. But...we figured it out. Took some fancy compositions in the polymer, but they work like a champ. We even froze the guns and heat soaked the mags over time, and then checked that those dropped free. We had a lot of room to make the lips thick.
Long and black and full of ammo a Glock mag from Magpul comes feeding ammo and with each round it feeds the shooter goes ahhhhhhh....
teutonicpolymer
01-15-15, 12:32
I don't see much of a point other than maybe being easier to service if the base pads are not ridiculously difficult to remove like current Glock mags.
Voodoo_Man
01-15-15, 12:34
Good job Magpul.
We only waited a few years for this to happen, but I guess even a genius needs to go through his process to reach the answer.
Interesting price point...
Undercut Glock themselves. The real benefit here is that since there IS no steel reinforcing the mags wont expand over time resulting in sticky mags. Hmm...i wonder how well these will drop free.
I wonder how durable the feed lips will be considering there is no steel reinforcing. At 15 dollars a piece, i almost dont care...
Actually not so much undercutting Magpul, but pricing them to where even the POS KCI mags aren't a deal for those looking for extra mags cheap. Hell used Glock mags go for $15 or so. I think Magpul may have a hard time keeping this line in stock. Am definitely down for a handful to start with to do some testing. If they are as good as Pmags I would likely invest in 20 or some. This sucks! Am going to have to factor another glock into my inventory just to justify all the mags I want. Lol.
WickedWillis
01-15-15, 12:40
This is just another why I am in love with your company.
Certainly a welcome announcement, probably a matter of time; but I am glad to hear that the research was put in to make them reliable.
Any plans for larger capacity versions (30 rounds)?
Any plans for larger capacity versions (30 rounds)?
We're working on a lot of things in this line.
TimeOnTarget
01-15-15, 12:53
I MUST HAVE!
We had a lot of room to make the lips thick.
I, for one, am a big fan of thick lips. Is that weird? What, what are we talking about again?
We're working on a lot of things in this line.
31074
Any plans for larger capacity versions (30 rounds)?
Actually I would be quite interested in extended mags in 9mm in around the 24-25 round capacity that would only extend an inch or two below the bottom of the gun.Would to me make things more practical to me for general use and also not feel like I have a dildo hanging out the bottom of my gun.
Considering they've developed their own baseplate attachment method i bet you anything there are going to be extensions, cheap extensions for the three gunners.
These things are going to sell like hot cakes...
When are these due to hit the market?
Shipping by April timeframe.
Eurodriver
01-15-15, 13:04
You know, it's really hard to get me excited about gun stuff anymore. I have mags, rifles, optics, ammo. I'm pretty much set, and I never get that need to go out and buy "new things". But I can say without embarrassment that in just one week Magpul has made me wet myself twice.
(P.S. make 15 rd mags)
Now I have to buy pistol mags. :(
I don't even like shooting pistol.
Dude, get with it! I used to be the same way, but I think I'm buying a Glock 19 every month or so now. It's less expensive, quieter, more challenging, and you can shoot gangsta style. Plus you can fit like six of them in a range bag with ammo and mags and not look like a psycho walking out to your car.
Considering they've developed their own baseplate attachment method i bet you anything there are going to be extensions, cheap extensions for the three gunners.
These things are going to sell like hot cakes...
I am really hoping for that exact thing, except something to fill the void using a 17rd mag on a G19. I'd hate to have to buy a Rem700 and a G17 just because of Magpul.
These look fantastic for the price point. I'll defiantly be adding a few to the collection
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Shipping by April timeframe.
Duane,
Please tell me that you will be releasing the 40 and 45 caliber mags shortly as well. I, like most of you here stack magpul mags deep.
Flankenstein
01-15-15, 14:00
Duane,
Please tell me that you will be releasing the 40 and 45 caliber mags shortly as well. I, like most of you here stack magpul mags deep.
30 round 10mm mags please :)
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CleverNickname
01-15-15, 14:17
Actually I would be quite interested in extended mags in 9mm in around the 24-25 round capacity that would only extend an inch or two below the bottom of the gun.Would to me make things more practical to me for general use and also not feel like I have a dildo hanging out the bottom of my gun.
This. 140mm and 170mm mags with no need for expensive addon extended baseplates would be nice. Factory 33's are too long for anything other than use in carbines that take Glock mags.
30 round 10mm mags please :)
Yes!!
This. 140mm and 170mm mags with no need for expensive addon extended baseplates would be nice. Factory 33's are too long for anything other than use in carbines that take Glock mags.
A BIG +1 To THIS!!!
I've always been a fan of the Glock brand Glockazines but now me wants some of these. :neo:
This. 140mm and 170mm mags with no need for expensive addon extended baseplates would be nice. Factory 33's are too long for anything other than use in carbines that take Glock mags.
Those are the magic numbers, aren't they. :-)
I don't see much of a point other than maybe being easier to service if the base pads are not ridiculously difficult to remove like current Glock mags.
MSRP $15.95
WickedWillis
01-15-15, 15:05
I don't see much of a point other than maybe being easier to service if the base pads are not ridiculously difficult to remove like current Glock mags.
You really cannot see any other reasons these are brilliant?
brickboy240
01-15-15, 15:35
Nobody has asked this yet...shocker.
Will there be 15rd G19 mags coming?
Many of us don't like the G17 mag sticking awkwardly, from the bottom of our grips.
The G19's popularity could warrant G19 15rd mags.
I'd MUCh rather see these than the 30rd impractical mags.
Awesome!
Please oh please oh please make HK mags!???
brickboy240
01-15-15, 15:57
If anyone is going to produce aftermarket Glock mags that will run...it will probably be Magpul.
Please say the 15rd G19 mags will follow. A 17rd G17 mag in my G19 is not practical for concealed carry and I bet I am not alone in that opinion.
If anyone is going to produce aftermarket Glock mags that will run...it will probably be Magpul.
Please say the 15rd G19 mags will follow. A 17rd G17 mag in my G19 is not practical for concealed carry and I bet I am not alone in that opinion.
Yes, but all you need is the one 15 rounder for carry, then your spare(s) can be 17 (or more) rounders. I am betting Magpul thought of this and decided a 15 rounder wasn't worth it......... at least not at first.
Honestly, Glock might as well just stop making mags now. All I needed to hear was Magpul. I'll take 20 of them please. My Factory Glock mags just became collectors items.
Flankenstein
01-15-15, 16:19
Nobody has asked this yet...shocker.
Will there be 15rd G19 mags coming?
Many of us don't like the G17 mag sticking awkwardly, from the bottom of our grips.
The G19's popularity could warrant G19 15rd mags.
I'd MUCh rather see these than the 30rd impractical mags.
...but many of us also own G17's and the 15 rounders won't fit! J/K. I understand what you're saying and legit question. I'd have to guess yes, but I sure as hell don't know for sure. The fact that a 17 round 9mm Glock mag will work in any 9mm Glock model (until they release a single stack 9mm) is probably the reason they are opening with this. But again, just speculation.
They are making a 30, 20, and 10 round steel reinforced AK PMAG after all.
brickboy240
01-15-15, 16:26
Oh I totally understand why the G17 mag comes first. I also own a G17 and yes...the first Glock is still arguably their best pistol.
But before the 30rd 9mm mags...maybe a 15rd G19 mag from them?
..please
I'm in for 20 if they make them for the G21!
EricTheRed
01-15-15, 16:32
I really hope "easy to remove floorplates" doesn't mean "as long as you have a vise grip handy" like it does on Glock OEM mags. Regardless I will buy some....when the 15rd Colorado legal ones come out. :(
I'll be buying some. Hoping for 15rd G19 mag's to follow!
I really hope "easy to remove floorplates" doesn't mean "as long as you have a vise grip handy" like it does on Glock OEM mags. Regardless I will buy some....when the 15rd Colorado legal ones come out. :(
Glock mags are easy to dissassemble using only a punch if you know how to do it.
I would like to try a 15 round Magpul and look forward to them bringing the G19 mags to market.
CleverNickname
01-15-15, 17:42
Have you tested functionality on Glocks with any aftermarket magwells? I know that non-standard magwells have been a problem with getting PMAGs to work on certain AR15 lowers.
Have you tested functionality on Glocks with any aftermarket magwells? I know that non-standard magwells have been a problem with getting PMAGs to work on certain AR15 lowers.
We've tested with all manner of slug plug variants, Dawson, Sentinel, Geissele, and a few others. There's nothing that should interfere. Some could obviously use a bit of an extension to help seating, but no interference.
BuzzinSATX
01-15-15, 18:06
We're working on a lot of things in this line.
I read the entire thread, so I'm down with a 19-21 round G17. Not sure about what the ###mm's in a previous post was all about. I'd also love to see y'all come out with grip adaptors with the G19/G26 models in mind, similar to the XGrip adaptors.
I also think 15 round G21 .45 ACP's would sell like hotcakes.
And hey, if you run out of ideas, I'd love some 8-10 round 9MM Springfield XDs mags...and some 13 & 20 round Xdm compact mags...and what the hell, how about some 8 round 1911's...
LOL! Regardless what's next, thanks much for these new Glock mags! And Welcome to Texas!!! Even if you did pick our little bastion of Liberalism, Austin, to set up shop. Still, can't beat the food and music there...just try and avoid the goofy socialist clowns...
I read the entire thread, so I'm down with a 19-21 round G17. Not sure about what the ###mm's in a previous post was all about.
Competition limits.
Beat Trash
01-15-15, 18:20
This. 140mm and 170mm mags with no need for expensive addon extended baseplates would be nice. Factory 33's are too long for anything other than use in carbines that take Glock mags.
You guys do this and you defiantly will have my attention, and my money.
BuzzinSATX
01-15-15, 18:21
Competition limits.
got it. Thanks!
Awesome!
Please oh please oh please make HK mags!???
I'll second this.. P-30 mags will do nicely.... If possible,maybe 17rnd P-30 mags...please.
Like others have said I'd like to see an extended mag along the lines of the 22 round Glock .40 magazine, larger capacity but not as ridiculously long like the 33 round.
15rnd 9mm
17rnd 9mm
25rnd 9mm
+ Various extensions
Cheaper HK VP magazines would be nice, but I don't know if anybody could match HK magazine quality.
William B.
01-15-15, 19:14
This is great! This is the most excited I've been about a new firearms product in several years!
Eurodriver
01-15-15, 19:37
Nevermind.
Looks like a 19 mag isn't on their priority list.
If they come out with 15 rd mags (G19), I'll definitely try them out!
What about a 15 round G17 mag for places like NJ?
It took some doing in order to get them to drop free all the time and still be 100% reliable, especially when left loaded at high temperatures for long periods of time. But...we figured it out. Took some fancy compositions in the polymer, but they work like a champ. We even froze the guns and heat soaked the mags over time, and then checked that those dropped free. We had a lot of room to make the lips thick.
Thick lips are the best.
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Thick lips are the best.
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Haa....
KingsideRook
01-15-15, 20:11
Freaking exciting. I say this as a guy with about 40 or so Glock 19 mags of recent manufacture- I will have to have some of these to play with, and more when the G19 variant arrives. Need? Probably not with as many mags as I have, but WANT.
mkmckinley
01-15-15, 20:19
Freaking exciting. I say this as a guy with about 40 or so Glock 19 mags of recent manufacture- I will have to have some of these to play with, and more when the G19 variant arrives. Need? Probably not with as many mags as I have, but WANT.
I know right? I have a medium-sized duffel bag full of 9mm Glock mags and I still want some of these. God forbid they make them in a variety of colors. Then I could actually justify them in the name of being easier to identify and recover after a run. Hint Hint.
bigrobbierob
01-15-15, 20:24
I have no doubts that a round limiter insert is in the works for these like those for the AR PMAGS.
Given the variety of individual state magazine capacity limits, it would be slick if they were designed so they could be easily neutered to any desired capacity, without compromising function.
TacMedic556
01-15-15, 20:36
I sure wish I could put money into shares of Magpul. This company is on the cutting edge and doing things right. Keep it up.
buckshot1220
01-15-15, 20:57
First a Rem 700 stock and now this. My checking account is going to hate you guys. Crap, I just bought 20 PMAGS last month.
At the very least I'll be buying 5 of these for IDPA/USPSA comps. I'd much rather jettison a $15 mag to the ground and possibly step on it than a $25-$30 one.
Like others have said, a 20-25rd 9mm mag would be awesome as well as a .45 mag in the 15rd area.
SeriousStudent
01-15-15, 21:20
Given the variety of individual state magazine capacity limits, it would be slick if they were designed so they could be easily neutered to any desired capacity, without compromising function.
That would be quite nice. And pretty logical, given Magpul's solid support for those trapped in ban states.
I've got a brother with a G19 in California. I'd love to buy him a couple of dozen 10-round mags that are reliable.
Nevermind.
Looks like a 19 mag isn't on their priority list.
Where did you read that?
Other fitments and capacities are being considered.
I sure wish I could put money into shares of Magpul. This company is on the cutting edge and doing things right. Keep it up.
Triangle capitol owns a chunk and they are publically traded I think. The major owner is BRS out of new york but they are a private equity firm.
I need these in my life.
$16? I'll take ten.
MountainRaven
01-15-15, 21:46
Y'all need somebody to test these in the Montana Rockies. Since no one else is stepping forward, I'll volunteer.
;)
Atticus Rex
01-15-15, 21:49
No way dude, I get to test them in western MT!!
But seriously, 20 round 10mm mags, 17 round g17 mags, 15 round g19 mags...ORrrr...just utilize limiter adapters and sell springs depending on caliber and capacity!
Flankenstein
01-15-15, 22:01
I need these in my life.
$16? I'll take ten.
Street price should/will be less.
15-round Magpul Glock 19 mags NEED to be introduced in the very near future.
I wouldn't mind some Glock 19 mags, but I think i would rather have some grip adapters from Magpul with their plus coating for their Gl 17 mags. Some that work.
Yes, but all you need is the one 15 rounder for carry, then your spare(s) can be 17 (or more) rounders. I am betting Magpul thought of this and decided a 15 rounder wasn't worth it......... at least not at first.
Honestly, Glock might as well just stop making mags now. All I needed to hear was Magpul. I'll take 20 of them please. My Factory Glock mags just became collectors items.
I still want to see the 15 round mags. When I carry a spare mag for a G19, it's a 15 rounder. The 17 round mags (IWB, comp tac mag carrier) are just tall enough to be significantly less comfortable than the 15's
So, Magpul, get the 17's to hit the ground sprinting and follow right up with some 15 rounders yes? And how about 12 round G26 mags that are reliable and cost far less than the ~$35 the Glock version goes for?
Glock mags are easy to dissassemble using only a punch if you know how to do it.
Some people say that but **** if I can get it done without the vice on my bench
I still want to see the 15 round mags. When I carry a spare mag for a G19, it's a 15 rounder. The 17 round mags (IWB, comp tac mag carrier) are just tall enough to be significantly less comfortable than the 15's
So, Magpul, get the 17's to hit the ground sprinting and follow right up with some 15 rounders yes? And how about 12 round G26 mags that are reliable and cost far less than the ~$35 the Glock version goes for?
I am betting that Magpul will start introducing Glock Mags IAW demand. G17 are highest no doubt. But what is the 2nd most in demand Glock Mag? It's a good bet that will be next.
Some people say that but **** if I can get it done without the vice on my bench
Agree. I am sure you can practice and get better at it, but i would much rather have something simple that you can do in the field without tools. And it's Magpul, so you know it will work.
Fordtough25
01-16-15, 06:02
Can't wait to try some out, love to see Magpul putting out another useful and sturdy product! I'd also be pumped about some 20 something round G17 style mags. Mmm!
Nightstalker865
01-16-15, 07:16
I've been waiting for these. Can't wait to see the final product. Well done guys.
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Like others have said I'd like to see an extended mag along the lines of the 22 round Glock .40 magazine, larger capacity but not as ridiculously long like the 33 round.
15rnd 9mm
17rnd 9mm
25rnd 9mm
+ Various extensions
Cheaper HK VP magazines would be nice, but I don't know if anybody could match HK magazine quality.
what he said.
EricTheRed
01-16-15, 08:23
Glock mags are easy to dissassemble using only a punch if you know how to do it.
Do tell. What's the know how, other than having gorilla fingers?
Do tell. What's the know how, other than having gorilla fingers?
The acid test: Give a Glock Mag and some instructions to someone who's never done it before. See how that goes.
"...in this line"
As in pistol magazines? Which makes me wonder if pistol mags normally made with steel can be made with polymer?
"...in this line"
As in pistol magazines? Which makes me wonder if pistol mags normally made with steel can be made with polymer?
That is indeed the question.
This is a pretty fascinating experiment in company reputation. Personally I will buy it just because it's Magpul and they haven't failed yet. I am betting they wouldn't bring this thing to market unless they were 100% sure it worked as well as PMAGs have for ARs. Everyone will buy them just because of that...... and the price of course.
Yea, I'm gonna buy a couple for sure.
brickboy240
01-16-15, 10:36
Sure...you can put G17 mags in your G19 but....hello...most of us CARRY a G19 over a G17 because the shorter grip is easier to hide.
I bet after the G17 mags are out...and successful...the G19 mags will follow. The guys at Magpul know that the G19 is a hugely popular carry gun.
Even though I do not carry my old 2nd gen G17...I will definitely order some Mappul mags for it. Very excited about this and their M700 Remmy stocks.
Sure...you can put G17 mags in your G19 but....hello...most of us CARRY a G19 over a G17 because the shorter grip is easier to hide.
I bet after the G17 mags are out...and successful...the G19 mags will follow. The guys at Magpul know that the G19 is a hugely popular carry gun.
Even though I do not carry my old 2nd gen G17...I will definitely order some Mappul mags for it. Very excited about this and their M700 Remmy stocks.
But if you carry backup mags carrying a slightly longer G17 mag instead of G19 mags is pretty easy.
teutonicpolymer
01-16-15, 11:06
I am not excited about 17 round Glock 9mm mags but I would be very excited for the 140mm and 170mm mags in 9mm amd .40 and some big .45 acp mags too... Glad to hear these may be coming up
Shooterman017
01-16-15, 11:14
"...in this line"
As in pistol magazines?
+1 on this. Awesome that Magpul is making a foray into handgun mags. I'll respectfully ask some love be shown to M&P owners also. I'll buy 10.
And in the tradition of NO GOOD DEED GOING UNPUNISHED... This thread and the Rem 700 stock thread have delivered.
Wait, These don't come with dust covers?....Lame....
:jester:
+1 on this. Awesome that Magpul is making a foray into handgun mags. I'll respectfully ask some love be shown to M&P owners also. I'll buy 10.
I don't need any of the Glock mags but I'll definitely get a few. M&P mags though, I'd buy a ton of.
To you guys saying VP9 and M&P.... You do realize it's never going to happen right? No other 'serious' handgun takes polymer mags that I can think of. If your gun takes a metal mag now, it always will. There just isn't the same room available as something that was designed around the plastic wall thickness.
Now..... If Magpul could go ahead and make P320 frames that took their mags, since those frames aren't serialized, well, I'd appreciate that in magnitude orders of blowjobs to be given.
DreadPirateMoyer
01-16-15, 16:49
To you guys saying VP9 and M&P.... You do realize it's never going to happen right? No other 'serious' handgun takes polymer mags that I can think of. If your gun takes a metal mag now, it always will. There just isn't the same room available as something that was designed around the plastic wall thickness.
Now..... If Magpul could go ahead and make P320 frames that took their mags, since those frames aren't serialized, well, I'd appreciate that in magnitude orders of blowjobs to be given.
You do realize you're talking about the company that did exactly what you say is impossible, right? They took a firearm with a magwell design and geometry based around a metal magazine...and then made a polymer magazine that worked in that magwell, and very reliably at that.
Yes, the full magazine in an AR isn't contained in that magwell like in a pistol, but there are tons of solutions to that with follower design, spring geometry and metallurgy (especially to allow more compression than OEM), varying the angle of the round-to-round internal stack, lengthening the magazine out of the grip a bit (possibly with a slightly longer basepad like Mec-Gar did with its 18 and 20 round Beretta 92 mags), and -- worst-case-scenario -- reducing the capacity. There are a ton of possible solutions.
Your ultimatum is a bit strong and overconfident. It'll be proven wrong in time I'm sure.
You do realize you're talking about the company that did exactly what you say is impossible, right? They took a firearm with a magwell design and geometry based around a metal magazine...and then made a polymer magazine that worked in that magwell, and very reliably at that.
Yes, the full magazine in an AR isn't contained in that magwell like in a pistol, but there are tons of solutions to that with follower design, spring geometry and metallurgy (especially to allow more compression than OEM), varying the angle of the round-to-round internal stack, lengthening the magazine out of the grip a bit (possibly with a slightly longer basepad like Mec-Gar did with its 18 and 20 round Beretta 92 mags), and -- worst-case-scenario -- reducing the capacity. There are a ton of possible solutions.
Your ultimatum is a bit strong and overconfident. It'll be proven wrong in time I'm sure.
Not to mention AK mags.
brushy bill
01-16-15, 17:20
That is indeed the question.
This is a pretty fascinating experiment in company reputation. Personally I will buy it just because it's Magpul and they haven't failed yet. I am betting they wouldn't bring this thing to market unless they were 100% sure it worked as well as PMAGs have for ARs. Everyone will buy them just because of that...... and the price of course.
Good observation. I was thinking the same. It is refreshing when you can buy a new/unproven product and "know" it will work because of the manufacturer. I can think of very few other companies I can say this for.
Ugh.
"You do realize you're talking about" internal to a body vs external to a body mags right? Maybe you should go look at an M&P mag and figure out how much "extra" room there is for plastic wall thickness. Then come back with "let's bet".
Ugh.
"You do realize you're talking about" internal to a body vs external to a body mags right? Maybe you should go look at an M&P mag and figure out how much "extra" room there is for plastic wall thickness. Then come back with "let's bet".
Its probably unlikely, but if anyone could do it, it would be Magpul. No need to be a douche about it.
Good observation. I was thinking the same. It is refreshing when you can buy a new/unproven product and "know" it will work because of the manufacturer. I can think of very few other companies I can say this for.
Heckler and Koch comes to mind.
I think that it would interesting to see some other MagPul pistol mags for other brands of pistols. As an example, HK USP full size 9mm and . 40 SW both use polymer magazines too.
brushy bill
01-16-15, 22:35
Heckler and Koch comes to mind.
Yes. That is one of the very few others I had in mind. Probably the only handgun manufacturing company.
lawusmc0844
01-16-15, 23:48
Funny I was recently thinking about why Magpul hasn't made mags for the Glock yet when Glock mags are already polymer on the outside. Now I am ****ing excited, Magpul never disappoints!
No need to be a douche about it. Glad someone said it.
Moose-Knuckle
01-17-15, 02:43
AR-15/M4 mags . . . check.
AR-10/SR-25 mags . . . check.
AK-47 mags . . . check.
GLOCK 9mm mags . . . check.
Magpul has just dominated about 90% of the after market magazine industry.
Just in time for the '16 panic run on high capacity magazines!
Holy cow! what's with the music? :sarcastic:
Looks great, may have to try some out, as if I need any more mags though.
I'm guessing G19 will be next and then some extended ones?
EzGoingKev
01-17-15, 06:59
To the Magpul guys -
Did you test them on guns with rail mounted lights?
Their is only a hole to indicate 17 rounds? Was this something that had to be done for structural rigidity or to keep costs down?
What about a 15 round G17 mag for places like NJ?
This would sway me to a Gen4 G17.
Love it. When do the P30 mags ship [emoji3]
As soon as there will be as many P30 and VP9 around as Glocks 17! ;)
Will these be available in different colors?? I like OD green mags and I bet the FDE would be hugely popular.
ramairthree
01-17-15, 19:21
Sweet.
G17 mags,
and hinted at Limited and Open mags.
at a great price point, an reliable.
I know I'll be dropping a few hundred bucks on these.
Hell yeah, I'm stoked for these to come out. I have several dozen G17 and G19 factory mags, not to mention a box full of KCIs(most still in their paper wrapper). OEM Glock mags go for $30 in my area and better prices can be found online most of the time but these Magpul Glock mags with MSRP at $15 will definitely be added to my abundance of magazines.
Hell yeah, I'm stoked for these to come out. I have several dozen G17 and G19 factory mags, not to mention a box full of KCIs(most still in their paper wrapper). OEM Glock mags go for $30 in my area and better prices can be found online most of the time but these Magpul Glock mags with MSRP at $15 will definitely be added to my abundance of magazines.
Hell they are running $35-45 locally here. I can order factory standard cap mags(17 round, 15 round, ect) for $20 at the moment and the extended mags(22rd, and 33rd) for $30. That said, I already have several friends who own glocks who once told that Magpul was going to bringing these out that they were in for a couple or ten each. So that is at least 100 between me and my shooting circle of friends. lol.
m1a_scoutguy
01-17-15, 21:08
Sweet.
G17 mags,
and hinted at Limited and Open mags.
at a great price point, an reliable.
I know I'll be dropping a few hundred bucks on these.
It was good to hear about this but then I said,,OH well,,I live behind enemy lines so no big deal for me. But hearing that there could be "Limited" mags that's good to hear. No big rush I guess, hopefully as time goes on they will produce some limited mags that hold 10rds.
As soon as there will be as many P30 and VP9 around as Glocks 17! ;)
Bingo.
I understand why people want extra mags for their guns that have rather expensive OEM mags, but the mere fact that those mags are so expensive is why Magpul probably won't release mags for them. Few people buying a product = more expensive. Hence why .45 H&K mags are so much more than 9x19, and P7 mags are in the ridiculous realm.
If Magpul made some cheap, reliable 2011 mags, I imagine those would make a killing however. Those are expensive (tuning, etc), but enough people use them to justify it.
Hopefully G19 and Glock +6 (140mm) mags are next. Then the M&P would be the logical next choice.
ramairthree
01-18-15, 09:26
It was good to hear about this but then I said,,OH well,,I live behind enemy lines so no big deal for me. But hearing that there could be "Limited" mags that's good to hear. No big rush I guess, hopefully as time goes on they will produce some limited mags that hold 10rds.
Limited refers to the division for one of their max lengths they hinted at.
A 140mm Glock 9mm magazine would hold about 21-23 rounds.
Orange-Fox
01-18-15, 09:30
Only suggestion is to make an optional "rounded" floorplate like the on FNP/FNX-45 15rd mag, helps with insertion and might make concealment a little easier.
m1a_scoutguy
01-18-15, 12:09
Limited refers to the division for one of their max lengths they hinted at.
A 140mm Glock 9mm magazine would hold about 21-23 rounds.
OK,,duh on my part ! :o Its rare that many Companies think of us guys behind the iron Curtian,but its always nice to think they do. Thanks for the correction. :)
I would think factory 10 round mags would be pretty cheap on the second hand market.
buckshot1220
01-18-15, 16:21
I would think factory 10 round mags would be pretty cheap on the second hand market.
I think there is more concern regarding some known reliability issues with the factory 10rd restricted mags.
Also, not that cheap. When I moved to a green zone I sold mine for $20/ea.
m1a_scoutguy
01-18-15, 19:23
I would think factory 10 round mags would be pretty cheap on the second hand market.
I think there is more concern regarding some known reliability issues with the factory 10rd restricted mags.
Also, not that cheap. When I moved to a green zone I sold mine for $20/ea.
I think the thing is there aren't that many 10rd mags out there compared to "Standard" 17 rd mags & problem is most guys buy and sell them behind enemy lines so they are special & needed ! The combination of those two things normally keep the mags at close to retail,most deals I have gotten are from guys that moved out of Ban states to free states and sell them @ fair prices, in state deals are closer to full price which is why I normally just buy new !
I know its been discussed in detail here about factory 10 rd mags and issues,but I have never had any issues with any that I have. I don't shoot my Glock 17 much lately cuz I jumped on the VP9 bandwagon but when I was shooting my 17 a lot I used the same 8/10 mags in my rotation and they all held up fine. Maybe as time goes on some 10 rd ones will show up but then no huge need at the moment,just like to have a "stash" of mags & well, just about anything gun/shooting related,,:):)
JohnVassilakos
01-20-15, 02:08
Limited refers to the division for one of their max lengths they hinted at.
A 140mm Glock 9mm magazine would hold about 21-23 rounds.
What do you think the 170mm would hold 25-27?:blink:
That would be a game changer for LE duty mags too...right now reliability of the extensions is "questioned" (notice I didn't say questionable) and as such we are not allowed to carry them.
If Magpul's 170mm 9mm mags prove to run like all Magpul mags before them do....well then - that could be a game changer in a gunfight. The more rounds you can dispense without needing to reload the better IMHO.
I'm in, plenty of time to buy a nice quantity of these.
brickboy240
01-22-15, 11:07
Yes...grab a ton when they first hit the market because you know when Hillary gets in office all this crap will disappear again. LOL
Voodoo_Man
01-22-15, 13:39
Fingerbanged this at the booth, pretty cool. I think next gen is going to have more windows or different windows for bullet indicators.
Business_Casual
03-17-15, 13:37
Yes...grab a ton when they first hit the market because you know when Hillary gets in office all this crap will disappear again. LOL
Or Jeb. :cool:
I'm getting some as soon as I can.
Just when I told myself I'm not buying a bunch more gun stuff {%{#%]^^*+!!! Oh well, such is the sickness that is weaponry.
As soon as there will be as many P30 and VP9 around as Glocks 17! ;)
You mean they are never going to have any P30 / VP9 mags available? :p
You mean they are never going to have any P30 / VP9 mags available? :p
Yep, this is what I basically had in mind.
However it looks like that soon there can be more VP9 than any other modern HK pistols. Like it took them for example over 10 years to come with USP .40 up to 100K made, while they reached 50K mark with VP9 in 6 months.
CleverNickname
03-19-15, 09:54
It might be a good idea to make some ~10 round extended G43 mags, if Glock doesn't make any. People may only want to carry a 6-round mag in the gun, but prefer a larger spare.
HardToHandle
03-19-15, 16:11
Are any in the wild? I keep looking but no dice yet.
I think I saw some where (maybe earlier in this thread, or something linked here) that end of April is the (planned) ship date.
From Magpul's website:
https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag[emoji768]-17-gl9-–-glock[emoji768]-g17?VariantID=
Edit: added URL
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MountainRaven
03-19-15, 21:51
Midway is expecting all of Magpul's SHOT Show stuff on or around 1 May.
Midway is expecting all of Magpul's SHOT Show stuff on or around 1 May.
Sounds about right from what I am hearing on my pre-order of new Magpul stuff.
SHIPPING NOW!
PMAG 17 GL9. The PMAG 17 GL9 is a 17-round magazine featuring durable polymer construction, paint pen dot-matrix for labeling, tool-less floor plate removal for ease of maintenance, and a visible capacity indicator hole on the body. The PMAG 17 GL9 is compatible with all full-size 9mm Glock handguns, as well as compact and sub-compact variants with some protrusion below the grip. MSRP $15.95 Made in the U.S.A.
WickedWillis
04-09-15, 14:16
SHIPPING NOW!
PMAG 17 GL9. The PMAG 17 GL9 is a 17-round magazine featuring durable polymer construction, paint pen dot-matrix for labeling, tool-less floor plate removal for ease of maintenance, and a visible capacity indicator hole on the body. The PMAG 17 GL9 is compatible with all full-size 9mm Glock handguns, as well as compact and sub-compact variants with some protrusion below the grip. MSRP $15.95 Made in the U.S.A.
Fantastic news Dozer!
Cunnalinguist
04-09-15, 15:30
DSG Arms just shipped my backorder. Huzzah!
brickboy240
04-09-15, 15:32
Anyone know if the production mags have witness holes? The promo photos I see all have mags with no holes to tell you how many rounds are left.
Don't need a "window" like the AR mags but holes at 5,10,15 would be helpful.
Anyone know if the production mags have witness holes? The promo photos I see all have mags with no holes to tell you how many rounds are left.
Don't need a "window" like the AR mags but holes at 5,10,15 would be helpful.
Prototypes I handled had a single hole at 17. I doubt they added more judging from the discussion I heard from reps at SHOT.
The bigger news to me is the Glock19 mags and the AI-pattern 10 round... Although Summer for the G19 and the AI-10 looks LONG because it's clearly still a single stack and not staggered with single feed.
para13cord
04-11-15, 14:30
Got one today. Im curious also why they didnt dril holes for round count. Seems like it wouldnt be difficult.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa42/para13cord/B17BB05D-13F0-4D1B-B671-A6C21218BFFB-11410-00000E2F821E9EBE_zps1b880d3u.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa42/para13cord/A5C61AE2-1294-44FE-940F-6E4203B3FCA2-11410-00000E2F7CD6774B_zpsipd8cxhb.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa42/para13cord/F97EEA4C-D3F5-45D0-A134-39F909548A49-11410-00000E2FC1DFC04C_zps7barsfez.jpg
Im curious also why they didnt dril holes for round count.
I know it seems silly and insignificant, but long term strength is probably the reason. Maybe they release some sand ones with holes later on :)
Cunnalinguist
04-11-15, 15:42
Long term strength seems to be the reason. Who uses those holes anyway?
Long term strength seems to be the reason. Who uses those holes anyway?
The witness holes are useful for some administrative tasks, but their absence is not a deal breaker.
At the price these mags run, I'm sure it won't be too long before someone experiments to see where they can add a single witness hole.
The witness holes are useful for some administrative tasks, but their absence is not a deal breaker.
This. Drill calls for two mags of six, use window/holes. Real world... Zero use.
At the price these mags run, I'm sure it won't be too long before someone experiments to see where they can add a single witness hole.
It's on my list of things to do with these mags.
Very interesting. I may have to try a couple, maybe even a couple of couples.
Anyone else having trouble putting the 17th round in?
17 rounds in, and slamming it into the gun with the slide forward, you feel ALOT of tension racking the slide. I wonder if this is a spring issue, or a magazine capacity issue...
Some dude I know yesterday had an issue with these feeding 115gr Gold Dots via slide release. The round was getting hung up at the ramp. Sling shot it was fine.
Window pistol mags? Lol
Better yet, ETS clear mags otw
Any range reports yet? I'm hearing about issues when using them in the 19/26 in conjunction with hollow point ammo. I just received 2 today but won't be able to try them out for a week or so.
Meta-Prometheus
04-15-15, 15:02
Low cost high quality alternative to factory mags, yes please! I also got an email that Magpul has announced 15 round mags for the Glock 19! Magpul is definitely on fire with mags and accessories this year!
Any range reports yet? I'm hearing about issues when using them in the 19/26 in conjunction with hollow point ammo. I just received 2 today but won't be able to try them out for a week or so.
I have a few hundred rounds through a couple. Off the top of my head:
Good: They've fed everything from powder-puff game loads to 124 +P, along with various OALs. They fed those loads while minimally loaded, half-loaded, and fully loaded. Fit in pouches and carriers is similar to OEM. A few pouches would benefit from minor adjustment to retain the mags. They seat under a closed slide when fully loaded without noteworthy extra effort. I've been intentionally dropping them on concrete, and I'll hand them off to some helpful folks to aid in the effort.
Druthers: A ~50% failure rate in locking the slide back during SHO shooting that has not been observed with OEM mags. I don't know why. Lack of witness holes is annoying in certain tasks but not a deal breaker.
I'll run them in some G19s and G26s and see how they work. What are the loads most commonly mentioned in problem reports?
From what I've heard pretty much any hollow point and maybe even some FMJ. Seems they just don't run well in the 19/26. Interesting about the slide lock failures, hadn't heard any reports of that yet.
I'll run them in some G19s and G26s and see how they work. What are the loads most commonly mentioned in problem reports?
Update from Magpul:
OK we screwed up.
After initial release of the Glock 17 PMag (GL9) a few days ago we started seeing random issues of failure to feed with the new magazine in other Glock models primarily the Glock 19 and 26. Of all the challenges of building a Glock magazine with single new composite, issues like drop free, impact strength and feed lip retention were foremost on our mind. The failure to feed came as a bit of a surprise to us and we immediately headed out to the range to investigate.
In short order found the problem. Without getting into technical details, some small, but critical geometry changes did not make it into the initial production molds. We should have caught this but no failures showed up on our factory guns during live fire testing and flaws in our internal processes of checks/balances did not flag the oversight as it should.
So as I said before, we screwed up and here is what we are going to do about it.
Molds are being updated with the correct geometry as we speak and a replacement magazine body with the correct geomentry should be available by May 4th 2015. These will be date coded 5/15 and later and will replace any magazine bodies in service of earlier manufacture. Just use your existing spring, follower, and floor plate with the new body.
-If you purchased your magazines direct from Magpul, Brownells or Midway, you do not need to do anything, replacement magazine bodies for the magazines (1 for 1) ordered will be shipped to you automatically.
-If your purchased your magazines from a gun store, replacements will be sent out to the store in question for you to pick up.
-If neither of the above works for you then Magpul customer service will handle the replacement directly.
In short, we are updating ALL of the affected magazines released as quick as we possibly can.
Richard Fitzpatrick
President/CEO -Magpul Industries Corp
EricTheRed
04-16-15, 16:50
Good on Magpul. Sorry to hear about the mistake but that's a fine way to handle it.
Good on Magpul. Sorry to hear about the mistake but that's a fine way to handle it.
A fine way to handle it, but it should never have happened in the first place.
Market a product that's intended to compete with something with peerless reliability without making *sure* it isn't flawed?
Not professional, and not cool. I haven't decided yet, but I'm leaning heavily toward sending my unopened mags back.
Shot 100rds through a gen4 G19 using two G17 pmags. 50rds Fed AE 147 FMJ (AE9FP), a nice short OAL flat point that can make threshold guns stutter. 50rds Fed 147 JHP (9MS). Both have a flat, soft impulse. The 100rds was fired in a series of slide lock reload drills. The 9MS functioned fine. The AE stopped on the feedramp several times when dropping the slide, but fed fine from the mag in NSRs.
Good on Magpul for getting ahead of this. Looking forward to the fix, and the dedicated 19 mags.
When is the 50 round drum coming out? Just thought I'd throw in a dumb comment to break things up a bit... Maybe a Magpul 33?
Magpul is a fine company.
I kinda have to agree with this. FWIW, I shipped my two mags back to Midway today. Hopefully they get the issues ironed out, but I'm just gonna stick with what works.
A fine way to handle it, but it should never have happened in the first place.
Market a product that's intended to compete with something with peerless reliability without making *sure* it isn't flawed?
Not professional, and not cool. I haven't decided yet, but I'm leaning heavily toward sending my unopened mags back.
I kinda have to agree with this. FWIW, I shipped my two mags back to Midway today. Hopefully they get the issues ironed out, but I'm just gonna stick with what works.
Factory mags are cheap right now, and they will be cheaper if the Magpul mags function ok. No reason to mess with non-OEM mags.
I think that Magpul has a winner on their hands and one that will be a big seller. Initial production kinks happen with a variety of products.
Good on Magpul for adressing this quickly, but this never should have happened. These mags should have been tested with all Glocks that could use them, including the 19 and 26, especially when taking into account Magpul's claims of "boring reliability."
Between this and their second-rate non-reinforced AK mags, this makes me wonder if Magpul has sacrificed a bit of thier top-notch reputation in exchange for getting thier feet in new markets.
[I kinda have to agree with this. FWIW, I shipped my two mags back to Midway today. Hopefully they get the issues ironed out, but I'm just gonna stick with what works.
My email told me I didn't need to bother sending the mags back - Magpul will automatically send you new mag bodies if you ordered from Midway or Brownells. Were you told otherwise?
I just received 6 of the GL9 17 mags from rainier arms and 2 had feeding issues and allowing the slide the fully slam home. Now just need to figure out who to contact and how to get the replacement bodies.
black22rifle
04-16-15, 23:44
Im glad I held out on these.
Good on Magpul for adressing this quickly, but this never should have happened. These mags should have been tested with all Glocks that could use them, including the 19 and 26, especially when taking into account Magpul's claims of "boring reliability."
Between this and their second-rate non-reinforced AK mags, this makes me wonder if Magpul has sacrificed a bit of thier top-notch reputation in exchange for getting thier feet in new markets.
Please read the response. The mags were extensively tested in various platforms 17, 34 19 and 26. The issue was that the geometry that was omitted in the production molds only affected a random number of mostly 19 and 26 models. Unfortunately our test samples of 19 and 26s ran just fine in the testing so did not red flag the issue.
As for your AK statement, we announced BOTH the reinforced and non reinforced AK mag at the same time as they serve different missions. The non reinforced AK mag (MOE) is for 922r compliance for budget shooters and OEMs. The reinforced AK mag (Zhukov) is designed as a combat magazine that has 922r compliance as a secondary benefit. Both have exceptional reliability and are USA made.
Moose-Knuckle
04-16-15, 23:47
So has anyone seen if OEM GLOCK mags have come down in price since the Magpuls have hit the market? I'm interested to see if they do so as to stay competitive and all that.
I just received 6 of the GL9 17 mags from rainier arms and 2 had feeding issues and allowing the slide the fully slam home. Now just need to figure out who to contact and how to get the replacement bodies.
Rainer Arms should be sending out replacement bodies to you automatically. We will be posting a list of companies doing this shortly. We are trying to do as much of this as automatically as possible to save end users from having to make a phone call.
SeriousStudent
04-17-15, 00:10
I wish the guys that made my car were as open about fixing stuff as Magpul.
Thanks for coming here and giving us the scoop, it is appreciated.
So has anyone seen if OEM GLOCK mags have come down in price since the Magpuls have hit the market? I'm interested to see if they do so as to stay competitive and all that.
Where I buy factory Glock mags they are still running about where they were at, which is ~$20 a piece for standard cap mags, and $30-35 for the extended 33rd/22rd mags. Which is down from the other year or so back of $25 a piece at these places. The places wanting $30+ for factory standard cap mags and $45+ for the extended mags never got my business. Needless to say I rarely buy glock mags local.
If the magpul mags are good, for $5 I will buy several for training if nothing else, since I know need to replace my now very junked KCI mags which I bought at like $5 a piece for training and which recently had two of my last four buy the farm. Now if Glock comes out with common sense length extended mags that work as well as factory mags............
I wish the guys that made my car were as open about fixing stuff as Magpul.
Thanks for coming here and giving us the scoop, it is appreciated.
Truer words are rarely spoken.
But Magpul CS is pretty good in general. Had a trigger guard which got shipped without the little screw. One email to their CS, a response a couple days later asking for shipping information, and they fed-exed it out without question. While, yes, it would have been nice for that screw to be there, the fact that they didn't give me any shit is nice.
I wonder if the sand colored ar mags are going to work or did they rush them in to production also . Why not just send customers new mags? You screwed up not them.
Concerns I understand, criticism I do not. We wanted good Glock mags, and after a small hiccup we'll get them with zero added expense and less than a month downtime on this project. If anyone else can bring a competing design to the market that is intended to live up to the famous Glock mag, I'd love to see it. As a consumer, we accept more trouble in virtually every other area of life, even if we won't admit it. I wish the VA, auto industry, and computer industry followed Magpul's approach concerning customer service.
Eurodriver
04-17-15, 06:59
Truer words are rarely spoken.
But Magpul CS is pretty good in general. Had a trigger guard which got shipped without the little screw. One email to their CS, a response a couple days later asking for shipping information, and they fed-exed it out without question. While, yes, it would have been nice for that screw to be there, the fact that they didn't give me any shit is nice.
You and Serious ain't neva lie.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?73032-Magpul-has-gone-crazy!-What-kind-of-customer-service-is-this
In an ideal world the things you buy will just work. However, the next best thing is a company that's as open and proactive as magpul is about fixing it when it doesn't.
MountainRaven
04-17-15, 20:16
A fine way to handle it, but it should never have happened in the first place.
Market a product that's intended to compete with something with peerless reliability without making *sure* it isn't flawed?
Not professional, and not cool. I haven't decided yet, but I'm leaning heavily toward sending my unopened mags back.
Yeah, like those piece of shit Colt AR-15s that got guys killed in Vietnam.
Except, you know, Magpul caught this problem with the magazines having only been out a week and aren't engaged in a massive coverup.
Got one today. Im curious also why they didnt dril holes for round count. Seems like it wouldnt be difficult.
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The benefit of plastic injection parts is not doing any secondary operations, so they won't just Drill them. Putting those holes would add a ton to the cost of the mold. When you have "shut off" in the middle of the part, it's fun to get it right. Getting shut off against a lifter/slide for the core makes it a disaster. It's possible but would probably add 30% to the cost of the mold.
FWIW, I work in a mold shop.
HighDesert
04-17-15, 23:13
Im glad I held out on these.
This times a ****ing zillion!!!
Except Magpul knew of changes that were intended to be implemented that didn't make it into production. That was a pretty big mistake. End users caught the problem, not Magpul. To their credit, Magpul owned up and is fixing it.
From the Magpul statement:
In short order found the problem. Without getting into technical details, some small, but critical geometry changes did not make it into the initial production molds. We should have caught this but no failures showed up on our factory guns during live fire testing and flaws in our internal processes of checks/balances did not flag the oversight as it should.
Fireman1291
04-18-15, 09:49
I bought three from Brownells and could care less if they have issues that they didn't catch. Magpul owned up to it and setup automatic shipping of the new bodies. Thats unheard of. As said earlier, I wish car companies had the same business ethic!
As for longer mags, I think it would be neat if Magpul made 25rd extended mags for the Glock 9mm platforms. Like a shorter version of the 33rd OEM. This way you get two full mags for every 50rd box of ammo instead of being left with a random amount after you top off a 33rd mag. It would be more compact for pouches, storage, better pistol handling and work well in the Glock 9mm AR15 platforms as well. Thoughts?
Except Magpul knew of changes that were intended to be implemented that didn't make it into production. That was a pretty big mistake. End users caught the problem, not Magpul. To their credit, Magpul owned up and is fixing it.
From the Magpul statement:
In short order found the problem. Without getting into technical details, some small, but critical geometry changes did not make it into the initial production molds. We should have caught this but no failures showed up on our factory guns during live fire testing and flaws in our internal processes of checks/balances did not flag the oversight as it should.
Design and Engineering is by far our largest group in terms of dollars and manpower. We build in a great amount of checks and balances to eliminate problems such as these. On top of that we have Magpul Core made up of end user professionals to test products in field conditions as an additional step in the design and validation process.
In the case of the Glock mag our system had a shortfall in both communication and testing that we have now addressed. We should have caught it, however the random nature of the failure allowed all the testing to proceed without flagging the critical geometry as missing.
To put his into perspective we have about 20 Glocks of various modules that this was tested in and on these the mags showed no FTFs until we widened the sample size. In the Glock 17 the rate of FTFs is still almost nothing, far outpacing any M9 magazine I was issued in the US military.
Devildawg2531
04-18-15, 10:32
not sure I see the point in these. The Glock OEM mags are readily available, inexpensive and extremely reliable. I prefer Pmags for my AR's but really don't see the advantage vs Glock mags.
I think the Magpul versions average about $10 cheaper than OEM mags.
...To put his into perspective we have about 20 Glocks of various modules that this was tested in and on these the mags showed no FTFs until we widened the sample size. In the Glock 17 the rate of FTFs is still almost nothing, far outpacing any M9 magazine I was issued in the US military.
I don't know how the comparison to M9 mags is relevant, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't think Magpul handled this correctly.
Yes, Magpul manned up and admitted their mistake, but not to put too fine a point on it they really didn't have much choice, and in my book doing the "right thing" is not, in and of itself, commendable.
To fix their error they decided to do the absolute minimum required. Ship me a part and tell me to fix it myself? I expect better from Magpul.
TexasAggie2005
04-18-15, 10:55
I don't know how the comparison to M9 mags is relevant, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't think Magpul handled this correctly.
Yes, Magpul manned up and admitted their mistake, but not to put too fine a point on it they really didn't have much choice, and in my book doing the "right thing" is not, in and of itself, commendable.
To fix their error they decided to do the absolute minimum required. Ship me a part and tell me to fix it myself? I expect better from Magpul.
It takes less than a minute to disassemble & reassemble a Glock magazine, are you really that pressed for time?
If the follower, spring and basepad have no issue, why waste the money sending out new parts that aren't the problem?
It takes less than a minute to disassemble & reassemble a Glock magazine, are you really that pressed for time?
If the follower, spring and basepad have no issue, why waste the money sending out new parts that aren't the problem?
You miss the point.
The point is that if you wish to retain the reputation of being a company that goes "above and beyond" you actually have to go "above and beyond." Magpul is doing exactly what they have to--no more.
I don't know what the production cost of a base plate, spring, and follower are, but it has to be cheaper than a reputation for impeccable quality and customer service.
For the record, there is absolutely no hate here--merely disappointment.
I'm impressed they took the initiative to fix this. Instead of inconveniencing the buyers by making them go through an RMA process or something of that nature they are automatically sending out the bodies to replace. It takes less than a minute to replace the mag bodies thanks to the excellent design of these mags.
Besides cost, and ease of disassembly, I would like to know more about these mags vs the OEM mags. I know my mags are dead nuts tough. My concerns are, without the metal liner, how well will these mags hold up over time ? Particularly interested in the feed lip portion of the mag.
Regardless, they are inexpensive. I plan on buying a few for range use and 2/3 gun competitions. Magpul has never done me wrong with the quality of their products. I'm excited to see how these do over time. Their CS has been second to none in the few cases I've had to contact them. I hold them up there with Surefire and Noveske in terms of CS, outstanding.
HighDesert
04-18-15, 11:08
not sure I see the point in these. The Glock OEM mags are readily available, inexpensive and extremely reliable. I prefer Pmags for my AR's but really don't see the advantage vs Glock mags.
When the prices stabilize and come down from msrp, these mags will probably be around half the price of the oem. That's a big deal to me, IF they iron out the kinks, which it seems they have...
I'm impressed they took the initiative to fix this. Instead of inconveniencing the buyers by making them go through an RMA process or something of that nature they are automatically sending out the bodies to replace...
I had no intention of beating this horse further, but this is a fair point; perhaps that was their thought process.
TexasAggie2005
04-18-15, 11:15
You miss the point.
The point is that if you wish to retain the reputation of being a company that goes "above and beyond" you actually have to go "above and beyond." Magpul is doing exactly what they have to--no more.
I don't know what the production cost of a base plate, spring, and follower are, but it has to be cheaper than a reputation for impeccable quality and customer service.
For the record, there is absolutely no hate here--merely disappointment.
No, I didn't miss the point. As far I can see it, Magpul is doing exactly what is right and with minimal impact to the consumer. In my opinion, their reputation is only improved by their early recognition of the problem and their immediate solution.
As far as the basepad, follower and spring; I'd wager those three components combined cost significantly more than the body. Not to mention the labor to assemble.
Devildawg2531
04-18-15, 12:20
When the prices stabilize and come down from msrp, these mags will probably be around half the price of the oem. That's a big deal to me, IF they iron out the kinks, which it seems they have...
saving $10 per mag to get an unknown quality and reliability product is a non starter for me. I own 4 Glocks and somewhere around 40 OEM mags but these are my only CCW pistols. If they were just fun range toys I might could see looking to save a $. From a market standpoint is Magpul targeting these as an alternative to the cheap KCI mags?
Given Magpul's reputation for quality I'll likely get a few for GSSF and whatever. The factory supplied mags will be first line for carry but I suspect I can save a fair amount of money and have perfectly fine mags for other times.
You miss the point.
The point is that if you wish to retain the reputation of being a company that goes "above and beyond" you actually have to go "above and beyond." Magpul is doing exactly what they have to--no more.
I don't know what the production cost of a base plate, spring, and follower are, but it has to be cheaper than a reputation for impeccable quality and customer service.
For the record, there is absolutely no hate here--merely disappointment.
More people would bitch if they had to send the mags back, even if Magpul provided the box, label, tape, and door side pickup. How many complaints do we see about people needing something dumb replaced on X gun and the manufacturer makes them send it back in?
Is this the most cost effective way? Sure. Do I want them personally sending everyone boxes and hiring people to do the warranty/recall process and moving the price up another 40 cents next time around? I'm good, I like my cheap, well made products that are stood behind.
MountainRaven
04-18-15, 17:21
I don't know how the comparison to M9 mags is relevant, but that's neither here nor there.
That their flawed magazines function with better reliability than government issue "flawless" OEM magazines, perhaps?
I don't think Magpul handled this correctly.
Yes, Magpul manned up and admitted their mistake, but not to put too fine a point on it they really didn't have much choice, and in my book doing the "right thing" is not, in and of itself, commendable.
To fix their error they decided to do the absolute minimum required. Ship me a part and tell me to fix it myself? I expect better from Magpul.
And what did you expect?
You miss the point.
The point is that if you wish to retain the reputation of being a company that goes "above and beyond" you actually have to go "above and beyond." Magpul is doing exactly what they have to--no more.
I don't know what the production cost of a base plate, spring, and follower are, but it has to be cheaper than a reputation for impeccable quality and customer service.
For the record, there is absolutely no hate here--merely disappointment.
What - to you - is above-and-beyond in this instance?
saving $10 per mag to get an unknown quality and reliability product is a non starter for me. I own 4 Glocks and somewhere around 40 OEM mags but these are my only CCW pistols. If they were just fun range toys I might could see looking to save a $. From a market standpoint is Magpul targeting these as an alternative to the cheap KCI mags?
I'm sure they are.
Just like their AR-15 mags are only supposed to be as good as Thermold and their AK mags (with or without metal reinforcement) are only supposed to be as good as Tapco. Real men only use H&K steel and Combloc surplus steel respectively.
:jester:
That their flawed magazines function with better reliability than government issue "flawless" OEM magazines, perhaps?
Thanks for the explanation.
I interpreted it to mean, "While the mags we shipped don't work like they're supposed to, at least they work better than a completely different magazine that we don't make a version of, so it's not as bad as it could be."
What - to you - is above-and-beyond in this instance?
More than the minimum. Such as:
- Give consumers a *choice*: new mags, parts, or a refund.
- Replacement mag bodies plus a free extra mag for the hassle.
- Magpul swag.
That's off the cuff, but I don't have a marketing or customer service department. I'm sure those folks would have much better ideas.
MountainRaven
04-18-15, 17:59
More than the minimum. Such as:
- Give consumers a *choice*: new mags, parts, or a refund.
- Replacement mag bodies plus a free extra mag for the hassle.
- Magpul swag.
That's off the cuff, but I don't have a marketing or customer service department. I'm sure those folks would have much better ideas.
I'm sure that if you want a refund, you can get a refund. I'm guessing that Magpul's decision was made on the basis that people who bought their magazines actually wanted their magazines.
As for the other two, nobody has received their replacement magazine bodies, yet, so there may just be Magpul swag and additional (completed) magazines in the boxes when the Santa in Brown brings his (or her) big brown, diesel-powered sleigh around.
If that's what you expect them to do, though, you're spoiled IMO.
Shipping out replacement magazine bodies to everyone who got the first run of magazines is not the minimum: It is going above-and-beyond. The minimum is quietly issuing a voluntary recall that requires buyers to send the magazines back - typically on their own dime - some months after the magazines have been in rotation (or years, if your model is Remington), spending the entire interim period blaming the buyer (which you should not be a stranger to if you own a Glock) or the buyer's gun(s) and/or ammunition for the issue(s).
I'm sure that if you want a refund, you can get a refund. I'm guessing that Magpul's decision was made on the basis that people who bought their magazines actually wanted their magazines.
I called Magpul, and I was told no refund. I could get a credit, but shipping would be on me. Midway will take my return, (and refund my shipping--great customer service there) and FWIW that's what I'm going to do.
Afor the other two, nobody has received their replacement magazine bodies, yet, so there may just be Magpul swag and additional (completed) magazines in the boxes when the Santa in Brown brings his (or her) big brown, diesel-powered sleigh around.
If that's what you expect them to do, though, you're spoiled IMO.
You're right, and *if* they do this I'll wave the "awesome customer service" banner. But it's a sad state of affairs when folks are praising a company for simply doing what ethics demands.
Shipping out replacement magazine bodies to everyone who got the first run of magazines is not the minimum: It is going above-and-beyond. The minimum is quietly issuing a voluntary recall that requires buyers to send the magazines back - typically on their own dime - some months after the magazines have been in rotation (or years, if your model is Remington), spending the entire interim period blaming the buyer (which you should not be a stranger to if you own a Glock) or the buyer's gun(s) and/or ammunition for the issue(s).
If you consider shitty customer service to be "the minimum" we'll have to agree to disagree. I consider "the minimum" acceptable customer service to be rectifying the problem quickly at minimal expense to the company. "Above and beyond" to me means rectifying the problem in a manner that the customer is happy with.
Again, I'm no Magpul hater. I own a lotof their stuff, and I've always been happy with it. I just can't figure how anybody could interpret the current situation to be a positive reflection on the company.
At least they found this out during the initial release of these mags, and not a year from now when millions are in circulation.
This problem has confirmed for me that my initial instinct that my OEM Glock magazines work and are reasonably priced means I won't be looking to purchase these Magpul Glock mags. Magpul had a big build up for this release, and IMO they screwed the pooch. They should have caught this and said as much in their statement. Yes, they are going to fix the problem. They have to to maintain credibility. They are a good company. But when you want to make a big statemnt, you need to have your shit together and get it right the first time. In this case they didn't get it right. I don't see any need to buy anything other than Glock magazines for my Glocks.
Please read the response.
I did read the response.
Obviously the initial testing was insufficient, but it is great to see Magpul standing behind this product.
I ran 100 rounds of WWB through my 19 today with 0 malfunctions. Honestly I kind of hoped it wouldn't function properly so I could do malfunction drills.
Delighted Magpul is offering Glock magazines.
That said, I can't imagine why anyone would consider carrying gen one of any after market Glock mag, given the 9mm Glock 17 OEM magazine has been tested in literally millions of pistols, proven boringly reliable, and costs a whopping $5-10 more.
Perhaps I missed it among all the whining... Is DSG Arms one of the vendors shipping new bodies automatically?
Thanks!
Perhaps I missed it among all the whining... Is DSG Arms one of the vendors shipping new bodies automatically?
Thanks!
"Working with DSG to provide an automatic mailing like the others. More news on this soon."
This problem has confirmed for me that my initial instinct that my OEM Glock magazines work and are reasonably priced means I won't be looking to purchase these Magpul Glock mags. Magpul had a big build up for this release, and IMO they screwed the pooch. They should have caught this and said as much in their statement. Yes, they are going to fix the problem. They have to to maintain credibility. They are a good company. But when you want to make a big statemnt, you need to have your shit together and get it right the first time. In this case they didn't get it right. I don't see any need to buy anything other than Glock magazines for my Glocks.
Agree...a proposed fix for a problem that doesn't exist.
I called Magpul, and I was told no refund. I could get a credit, but shipping would be on me. Midway will take my return, (and refund my shipping--great customer service there) and FWIW that's what I'm going to do.
You're right, and *if* they do this I'll wave the "awesome customer service" banner. But it's a sad state of affairs when folks are praising a company for simply doing what ethics demands.
If you consider shitty customer service to be "the minimum" we'll have to agree to disagree. I consider "the minimum" acceptable customer service to be rectifying the problem quickly at minimal expense to the company. "Above and beyond" to me means rectifying the problem in a manner that the customer is happy with.
Again, I'm no Magpul hater. I own a lotof their stuff, and I've always been happy with it. I just can't figure how anybody could interpret the current situation to be a positive reflection on the company.
If you bought direct from Magpul you can get a refund. Most other resellers will handle refunds as per their own policy but most larger resellers allow refunds.
Everyone has their own idea on how best to address this issue. For us we are busy and hate having to phone about any replacement so that is why we are shipping replacements automatically.
Agree...a proposed fix for a problem that doesn't exist.
We went into this knowing that Glock factory magazines run just fine.
PMag GL9 version of Glock mags are designed for the following advantages.
GL9 is lighter
GL9 is lower cost
GL9 is easier to disassemble
GL9 has ridges on the floorplate sides for grip
GL9 has limited holes in the body for dust entry
GL9 has paint pen matrix for numbering mags
GL9 is designed and made in the USA
It also should be as reliable as an OEM mag after the correct geometry is put into the feedlips.
"Working with DSG to provide an automatic mailing like the others. More news on this soon."
Excellent - thanks!
We went into this knowing that Glock factory magazines run just fine.
PMag GL9 version of Glock mags are designed for the following advantages.
GL9 is lighter
GL9 is lower cost
GL9 is easier to disassemble
GL9 has ridges on the floorplate sides for grip
GL9 has limited holes in the body for dust entry
GL9 has paint pen matrix for numbering mags
GL9 is designed and made in the USA
It also should be as reliable as an OEM mag after the correct geometry is put into the feedlips.
This. If you don't feel comfortable carrying them, fine. This allows a cheaper means of training mags, when you factor in $10 per mag for about 5-6 training mags, that's a substantial difference for us non-ballers.
One other note, I don't get why people are complaining about the lack of holes in the rear. Either count them like a big boy while loading, or just fill it up until it can't take any more. It's not rocket science, stop nitpicking shit.
Cunnalinguist
04-19-15, 18:21
Excellent - thanks!
I hope DSG is able to set up the auto ship as well, I pre-ordered 10 of these that will need the new bodies.
Are there any DSG personnel following this thread?
MountainRaven
04-19-15, 21:48
I hope DSG is able to set up the auto ship as well, I pre-ordered 10 of these that will need the new bodies.
Are there any DSG personnel following this thread?
I emailed DSG on Friday. They are planning to send the magazine bodies out once they have them.
whatthepuck
04-19-15, 22:12
My 2 mags from midway have functioned fine so far in a gen 4 g19. Granted, I've only run 115gr fmj through them, but so far so good. From what I can gather from google searches, Magpul doesn't sell mag parts, such as springs, followers, baseplates, etc., basically what I'd need to make the old mag bodies into functional range mags. That's sad, I only planned to use the glock pmags at the range, and I was hoping to now be able to still get some use out of the old mag bodies after using transferring the mag guts into the new bodies...ah well...
Cunnalinguist
04-19-15, 22:21
I emailed DSG on Friday. They are planning to send the magazine bodies out once they have them.
Awesome. Thanks for the info. I was getting ready to email them.
600 rounds through four GL17 magazines so far with zero issues. All 115 and 124 grain ball.
The majority of the rounds went through a G17 but we did run these in a G19. They seem to be nice mags and if the issues are resolved with new mag bodies they will make nice training mags.
I dont want lighter weight on my carry mags, nor do i want an easier to remove baseplate. Nor do i want a non OEM magazine that i have to vette with VERY expensive carry ammo to ensure it works with longer loads and different bullet profiles. The OEM magazines work marvelously in this regard so a change is simply not necessary.
I'm only interested in a few (3-4) extra mags for GSSF and the range. For those purposes almost perfect is good enough so saving money can be a good thing. The original 3 factory magazines are enough for carry use.
I got 4 as training mags and my 2 OE mags are in my carry gun and a mag carrier I carry every day.
But the magpul mags are lighter (even loaded, noticeably lighter), quieter, and while "cheaper" feeling I like how they feel better than OE mags.
There's a chance I will eventually switch over to them in my carry guns.
I'm only interested in a few (3-4) extra mags for GSSF and the range. For those purposes almost perfect is good enough so saving money can be a good thing. The original 3 factory magazines are enough for carry use.
Ridiculous question but..are these legal in GSSF for anything but "open"?
Actually a good question. I presume they are fine but haven't researched to find out. Hopefully someone will be along to let us know.
This. If you don't feel comfortable carrying them, fine. This allows a cheaper means of training mags, when you factor in $10 per mag for about 5-6 training mags, that's a substantial difference for us non-ballers.
One other note, I don't get why people are complaining about the lack of holes in the rear. Either count them like a big boy while loading, or just fill it up until it can't take any more. It's not rocket science, stop nitpicking shit.
Wanting to know how many rounds are in a magazine is nitpicking, and having 50 spare bucks is "baller"?
Guess we all have different world views, and different ways of doing things.
Some of us (old timers, I suppose) don't fill our mags to capacity, empty them completely, and repeat.
We do, however, have big boy jobs.
MountainRaven
05-04-15, 15:32
Just got an email from DSG with a shipping confirmation for my replacement magazine bodies. Hopefully everyone else should be getting theirs soon, too.
whatthepuck
05-05-15, 12:23
Just got an email from DSG with a shipping confirmation for my replacement magazine bodies. Hopefully everyone else should be getting theirs soon, too.
Just got my shipping notification from Midway. From what I can gather, Magpul doesn't sell replacement mag springs or followers. Bummer, I wanted to still use the original mag bodies. They work fine in one of my gen 4 g19s..,
Just got an email from DSG with a shipping confirmation for my replacement magazine bodies. Hopefully everyone else should be getting theirs soon, too.
This is good news. I ordered 5 Glock PMAGS from DSG a while ago........Hoping for a nice email notification as well.
MountainRaven
05-06-15, 21:38
Got the new magazine bodies and... I can't tell the difference between the new bodies and the old ones. Except the old ones have a '1' molded into them and the new ones have a '2' molded into them.
And on that note... anybody know if we can mail the old ones back to Magpul, maybe to grind them up to make new magazines? (As a form of recycling. I expect nothing in return, except maybe some karma.)
Got the new magazine bodies and... I can't tell the difference between the new bodies and the old ones. Except the old ones have a '1' molded into them and the new ones have a '2' molded into them.
And on that note... anybody know if we can mail the old ones back to Magpul, maybe to grind them up to make new magazines? (As a form of recycling. I expect nothing in return, except maybe some karma.)
Agreed - despite staring intently for some time, I could not see any difference in the bodies. As for recycling them, you could always use them to make a Glock stand for display/photography purposes.
It's a really, really small change, but a meaningful difference, especially with JHP and in the 19 and 26. They now work as intended, with everything.
para13cord
05-08-15, 20:48
It's a really, really small change, but a meaningful difference, especially with JHP and in the 19 and 26. They now work as intended, with everything.
Was it the little ledge right in front of the feed lips? Those would catch the lip of brass on a few rounds until I shaved it down.
Received my replacements. 350rds through two in a G17. 100rds, same mags in a G19. GTG, no issues.
Cunnalinguist
05-13-15, 21:05
Received my replacment mag bodies from DSG. Had issues with the originals feeding. No problems so far after 200 rounds through 5 different new bodied mags.
It's a really, really small change, but a meaningful difference, especially with JHP and in the 19 and 26. They now work as intended, with everything.
What date codes should I avoid to prevent purchasing a defective mag?
Cunnalinguist
05-13-15, 21:07
I think all the new ones are gtg. I'd ask the retailer you plan on buying them from if they are the new mags.
I picked up two mags today. Hopefully I'll get to test them this weekend.
All of the new ones are dated 5/15 or later. There should be no old ones left on dealer's shelves, but just in case, 5/15 or later.
Got mine to the range yesterday and managed to test them in a G17 and G19 ( both Gen4 ). No issues at all in either gun.
texasgunhand
06-21-15, 21:54
I bought some of these at Cabelas today,but dont see the date code. Can you tell me were to look to find it..
Thanks..look forward to finding the 19 mags havent found them yet.
MountainRaven
06-21-15, 22:02
I bought some of these at Cabelas today,but dont see the date code. Can you tell me were to look to find it..
Thanks..look forward to finding the 19 mags havent found them yet.
19 mags aren't out until Fall.
The date should be, IIRC, on the left side of the magazine (as the magazine sits in a pistol that you're shooting), contained inside one or two date wheels.
texasgunhand
06-21-15, 22:20
Thanks,mine says 5\15 so it should be gtg. Iam going to the range tom. Ill dump 75 or 100 through it just to be sure. I only shoot the glock 19 so if theres no problems ill get 1 more of these and wait on the 19s to come out. Thanks again,, these are just showing up down here,we been waiting.
With the renewed talk of gun and magazine bans,better get them before they are gone.
Any plans to make the G19 mags with the new sand colored polymer?
I don't care how they look, but if the sand polymer is stronger, that's what I want...
Nytcrawler93
06-22-15, 09:21
I just wish Magpul would make PM9 flush fit mags....
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Yes, the wheel is the appropriate place to find the date code with the arrow on the month and the year in the center. Another way to tell on the 17 is that there is a larger "11" in a circle by the date code. If it's a "9", it's an old body. 11 or higher is fine. They should all be 11's now, but someone may read this next year or something, so 11 <or higher>.
Sand is unlikely for the Glock mags, since there is some special sauce in the GL9 material to prevent the mags from swelling and not dropping free. Never say never, though. I know I want some, so we'll see. :-)
The material that's used in the GL mags is pretty stout. Because of the small box section and thick feed lips, there are different material requirements than an M4 mag. Those little guys are pretty solid as is. Based on the drop testing we've done, sand may only add the ability to dye, but we'll see. I'm sure we'll get around to testing it.
Any plans for glock pmag mag "accessories" ? Extensions, ranger plates, things of that nature? I could get pretty excited about a 23 round glock pmag.... Just asking here. I heard murmurs of such things when the glock pmag was released but nothing in recent times.
Heavy Metal
06-23-15, 22:56
I ran these hard in a class a week ago this Saturday. I had 12 PMAGS with me.
The only problem I had was inserting a mag with the slide forward (I also normally load my mags to only 16 rounds, one short.) on three occasions was I thought for sure the mag was locked-in place and when I fired the round already previously chambered, it dropped about an inch and I had to TRB it back into place.
This was in a Glock 34 and I did not have this problem with factory mags. I don't know if the mag release was just barely catching or what. It does get stubborn to push rounds down when you hit that 16th round though, a real bitch to get the 17th in.
If I had an bit of an extended floorplate, I think I would have got it locked in. You guys might want to think about a taller floorplate.
I bought two to play with. When loaded with 17 rounds they mag catch on my Gen2 G17 does not fully engage. You can see how the catch on the right side is not fully down, and you do not get a good "click" when you seat the magazine. You can not just pull it out, but you don't have to press the mag release much at all to get it to drop. Curiously I downloaded to 16 rounds and the catch still does not seem to go in all of the way. I have not fired them yet, hopefully soon.
Any updates on these mags? Are they proving themselves reliable now?
Voodoo_Man
07-02-15, 13:08
Any updates on these mags? Are they proving themselves reliable now?
I got two about three weeks ago.
I ran both of them in a training session with a Glock 19 and 17, respectively, for about 250 rounds (both total) and had no malfunctions.
Any updates on these mags? Are they proving themselves reliable now?
Working AOK here
http://www.breachbangclear.com/on-the-range-with-maguls/
brickboy240
07-09-15, 11:14
Cool...got to stock up before the next election cycle.
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