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Enoch
01-17-15, 20:05
North Miami Beach PD says this is common practice in the Sniper community for the practice of facial recognition.

Local reporters ask federal and state agencies if this is common practice and they report that no other federal or state agency admits to using arrest/booking photos as targets.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Family-Outraged-After-North-Miami-Beach-Police-Use-Criminal-Photos-as-Shooting-Targets-288739131.html

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Family Outraged After North Miami Beach Police Use Mug Shots as Shooting Targets
By Mc Nelly Torres and Willard Shepard
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A South Florida family is outraged at North Miami Beach Police after mug shots were being used at a shooting range for police training. Willard Shepard reports. (Published Thursday, Jan 15, 2015)
Saturday, Jan 17, 2015 • Updated at 3:45 PM EST
A South Florida family is outraged at North Miami Beach Police after mug shots of African American men were used at a shooting range for police training.
It was an ordinary Saturday morning last month when Sgt. Valerie Deant arrived at the shooting range in Medley, or so she thought.
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Deant, who plays clarinet with the Florida Army National Guard’s 13th Army Band, and her fellow soldiers were at the shooting range for their annual weapons qualifications training.
What the soldiers discovered when they entered the range made them angry: mug shots of African American men apparently used as targets by North Miami Beach Police snipers, who had used the range before the guardsmen.


North Miami Beach Police Chief J. Scott Dennis discusses officers using mug shots at a shooting range. (Published Friday, Jan 16, 2015)
Even more startling for Deant, one of the images was her brother. It was Woody Deant’s mug shot that taken 15 years ago, after he was arrested in connection to a drag race in 2000 that left two people dead. His mug shot was among the pictures of five minorities used as targets by North Miami Beach police, all of them riddled by bullets.
“I was like 'why is my brother being used for target practice?'" Deant asked.
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Deant’s fellow guardsmen were angry too, but they tried to console Deant, who was devastated.
“There were like gunshots there,” Deant said. “And I cried a couple of times.”
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She immediately called her brother, Woody Deant, who was 18 years old when the picture was taken.
“The picture actually has like bullet holes,” Woody Deant said. “One in my forehead and one in my eye. …I was speechless," he added.
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The City of Medley owns the Medley Firearms Training Center and it leases the facilities to law enforcement agencies in the area. The shooting range staff doesn’t select the targets used by law enforcement and the military.
North Miami Beach Police Chief J. Scott Dennis admitted that his officers could have used better judgment, but denies any racial profiling.
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He noted that the sniper team includes minority officers. Dennis defended the department’s use of actual photographs and says the technique is widely used and the pictures are vital for facial recognition drills. But the Deant family questions why officers were firing targets with images of real people, in this case African-Americans, especially at a time when relations between minority communities and law enforcement are so tense.
“Our policies were not violated,” Dennis said. “There is no discipline forthcoming from the individuals who were involved with this.”
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NBC 6 Investigators spoke with sources at federal and state law enforcement agencies and five local police departments that have SWAT and sniper teams in an attempt to find out if this is a common practice. All law enforcement agencies said they only use commercially produced targets, not photos of human beings for target practice.
“The use of those targets doesn’t seem correct,” Alex Vasquez, a retired FBI agent, said. “The police have different options for targets. I think the police have to be extra careful and sensitive to some issues that might be raised.”
Dennis said the police department uses an array of pictures including that of whites, and Hispanic males. What concerns his police department, he said, is that the picture was from someone that happened to be arrested by his agency.
“That individual would be someone that was on the streets of North Miami Beach,” Dennis said.
The police chief said he suspended the sniper training program as part of the internal investigation. Dennis said his department will resume use of human image targets after it expands the number of images in its inventory. His officers, Dennis said, will not use any booking photos from suspects they have arrested and he’ll direct his officers to remove the targets after they use the shooting range.
But Woody Deant, who did four years in prison after his 2000 arrest, expressed outrage.
“Now I’m being used as a target?” said Woody Deant. “I’m not even living that life according to how they portrayed me as. I’m a father. I’m a husband. I’m a career man. I work 9-to-5.”
The Deants contacted Attorney Andell Brown. He said he finds the use of human images for target practice extremely disturbing.
“This can create a very dangerous situation,” Brown said. “And it has been ingrained in your subconscious what does that mean when someone [police] comes across Woody or another person on the street and their decision-making process on using deadly force or not.”
The Deants agree.
“Automatically in his [police officer] mind he’s going to think target, target, target…,” Woody Deant said.
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Benito
01-18-15, 01:13
Smells like sandy vaginas.

Mjolnir
01-20-15, 15:17
Why not use THEIR OWN photos? That way it does not generate *ANY* controversy.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

markm
01-20-15, 17:26
This is fukking so stupid. I've made targets by simply googling Face pics. This whole story needs to be logged in the book of "who gives a fukk?"... as long as the images are staying in house.

Hot Holster
01-20-15, 18:48
Who blabbed?

taliv
01-20-15, 18:56
Those people are truly retarded. They should be complaining about no knock warrants. Gross violations of the constitution regarding search and seizure and lack of due process from the war on drugs and terror. A totally dysfunctional legal system that exists only to serve itself. Etc.

But no. Let's put shooting at a picture of some felon in the national news cycle.

This country deserves to crash and burn. We are seriously behind the curve

Enoch
01-20-15, 19:22
Who blabbed?

A military unit/reserves or something went to use the range and one of the soldiers recognized her brother's face on one of the targets left behind.

Hot Holster
01-20-15, 20:23
A military unit/reserves or something went to use the range and one of the soldiers recognized her brother's face on one of the targets left behind.

Probably wasn't funny to them but I find it quite amusing. I also find it quite stupid that most gun ranges don't allow silhouette targets either.

Firefly
01-21-15, 18:08
This is silly. Police Countersnipers will not be shooting or observing amorphous black silhouettes or politically correct targets. They will be drawing a crosshair on a suspect who will, like all humans, have distinctive facial features. Target identification is paramount. Even if you buy commercial targets, someone had to pose and give their likeness to it. The old black and white photo targets of the guy in a business suit with a MAC-11; That's a real guy somewhere who likely isn't a drug dealer or mafioso. He's probably 70 or something now and I'm sure he doesn't lose sleep. For criminals who keep it real and "be all hard" they sure do whine over the smallest things.

Tl; dr officers should have every reasonable resource to do their jobs efficiently, legally, professionally, and safely without worrying about 'offending' some cause-of-the-week type.

Elkhound
01-21-15, 19:25
To me, this is a non-issue. I don't care. They can use my picture if they need the practice. So long as they get the range time and stay sharp, I'm good with it.

TAZ
01-22-15, 18:51
99% of the people, a group into which I fall, wouldn't give a rats ass. On the other hand there are gazillions of targets out there that have pictures of just about anyone or anything; so why be stupid and use pictures of people you might actually have to shoot for practice. Whole lot of lawyers would argue that the were planning on killing my poor client who was just getting his life turned around and all that jazz. See they even practiced doing it for weeks. Why go looking for that kind of mess????

ubet
01-23-15, 07:25
What no one is mentioning here, who was the moron that didn't take the target down? I have no problem with what they are doing. I do have a problem with the band player who got sand in her vagina and the knucklehead that didn't take it down.

mattg1024
01-23-15, 07:29
At the Sig Academy they use silhouettes of a couple employees. I guess it was pretty funny when one of the guys took a course there and had to shoot himself.

Mjolnir
01-24-15, 19:53
I use my own likeness. They should do likewise.


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"One cannot awaken a man who pretends to be asleep."

Elkhound
01-25-15, 07:17
Using one's own likeness is a good idea. It would be difficult for some else to take umbrage with that. Still, some nut might try to get you involuntarily committed for suicidal ideations! lol

Reagans Rascals
02-06-15, 01:03
I've shot at full size cardboard cutouts I've gotten outta the dumpster literally of: Rikishi the wrestler, Macho Man Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, Charlie Sheen, the big girl from Wilson Phillips, The Cake boss, Kung Fu Panda, Whoopi Goldberg, some ad for christmas with the Grinch, and a few political ones... which will remain unnamed as I'm sure shooting a cardboard cutout of a president, vice president, senator, and mayor of NYC can be construed by some as a threat.... when in actuality it was a piece of shitty cardboard that I found in the trash and was a good representation of a full size man at distance....

whatever helps train you, helps train you.... and the bleeding hearts can go pack sand

the only one I regret now after thinking about it.... Kung Fu Panda.... because pandas are endangered... even more so those of the Kung Fu genus...

boltcatch
03-03-15, 13:33
By itself, yes, this is stupid. But it's not happening in a vacuum. Consider the people getting worked up about this - does anyone honestly think these people think that they could roll up to a public range, walk to the target stand, and start stapling up images of police officers as targets, and not cause a shitstorm?

You'd get a similar response out of other groups (militia nuts? occupy idiots?) if you started using pictures that depicted them as targets, and for the same reason.

Using pictures of locals was stupid and they should have known better.

Dionysusigma
03-09-15, 13:34
At the Sig Academy they use silhouettes of a couple employees. I guess it was pretty funny when one of the guys took a course there and had to shoot himself.

If I ever come across a genetic clone of myself out there, you can be absolutely sure I'm going to make it my top priority to take it down. No good can possibly come of that scenario.

Blastem
03-09-15, 14:29
Post edited because I did not think it through.