View Full Version : The HK P7 is back for 2015...
...well not exactly.
As an Industrial Designer I thought it would be fun to design a modern P7 concept in the spirit of Shot Show.
The P9 M, a mix of the classic P7m8 and the modern VP9. Not to be confused with the P9 of the 1960s/70s. Could be an interesting product with HKs return to striker fire and the renewed popularity of single stacks now.
Compact P7-like size, single stack, slim, easy to conceal and optional backstraps. I figure any future VP9 models in Compact and SubCompact will cover the front slide serration, rail, charging handle, higher cap mag user needs. Not a big fan of the spiderman grip aesthetic, so i kept the P9 grip design closer to the P7 in shape and texture. Simple and classic.
http://i1321.photobucket.com/albums/u543/mat10x/HK_P9_M8_Ad_smal_zpsgc3d0htz.jpg (http://s1321.photobucket.com/user/mat10x/media/HK_P9_M8_Ad_smal_zpsgc3d0htz.jpg.html)
teutonicpolymer
01-24-15, 08:38
****ing shit I want this so badly
Very cool! I would CCW that in a heartbeat.
teutonicpolymer
01-24-15, 08:44
On closer examination I think it is a fake but I am still hopeful
Okay on actually reading the post I should curb my enthusiasm and actually read things
Mauser KAR98K
01-24-15, 09:04
And you're not working for HK, why?
If they thought the VP9 was a runaway success...
I would get that over the Shield, the LCP9, or any other single stack 9.
Looks like it would still be unstable in most holsters, just like the P7. My P7 is absolutely unforgiving about holsters.
dwhitehorne
01-24-15, 09:40
I carried a P7M13 at work for 7 years. I didn't think it carried any different than a commander size weapon or CZ's semi compact. I always carried mine in the issued pancake holster. Large fullsize grip with a compact slide did make for a smooth shooting weapon. If the OPs concept was made, HK would sell a ton of them though. I will say the VP9 grip blows away the 2x4 grip of the M13. The M8 wasn't that bad. David
I carry a P7 almost daily along with a few others in my rotation, but the P7 gets a lot of CCW time. I would buy this concept in a heartbeat. Very nice!
Looks like it would still be unstable in most holsters, just like the P7. My P7 is absolutely unforgiving about holsters.
Three (expensive) words solved this for me. Matt. Del. Fatti.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/176_zps7abad065.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/176_zps7abad065.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/103_zpsf815c2a1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/103_zpsf815c2a1.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/128_zps7158020b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/128_zps7158020b.jpg.html)
vereceleritas
01-24-15, 10:52
Interesting concept. Is it really a P7 successor if it's not a squeeze cocker, though?
Barry in IN
01-24-15, 11:04
"...a staple of quality..."
Is that a pun on the P7's staple gun nickname? Well played.
I still carry a P7 occasionally and try to shoot an IDPA match with it once a year. Even as little as I shoot it, that usually turns out to be my best match of the year.
coastwatcher42
01-24-15, 11:20
If you're listening HK, we NEED (aka "are in love with") this pistol.
teutonicpolymer
01-24-15, 11:44
They could make a gas piston gun with the P7 slide profile, then give it a modular grip VP9 style that takes P2000 mags
That could be something
Gary1911A1
01-24-15, 15:32
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Three (expensive) words solved this for me. Matt. Del. Fatti.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/176_zps7abad065.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/176_zps7abad065.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/103_zpsf815c2a1.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/103_zpsf815c2a1.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/hkp7/File%201/128_zps7158020b.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hkp7/media/File%201/128_zps7158020b.jpg.html)
Very nice. I just have a plain old regular P7, but I really like it even if it gets hot in front of the trigger guard. Keep hoping someone will bring it back with the patent having to of run out by now. I don't really understand why the squeeze cocker didn't catch on?
MountainRaven
01-24-15, 16:01
I saw the title. Got my hopes up. Clicked on it.
I may murder you in your sleep, OP.
And I doubt that H&K would claim the lie that they made the first striker-fired pistol. Because they didn't. And lying isn't something they normally do. Although I suppose we are still waiting on the HK243....
I need this in my life, seriously.
Thanks for nothing OP, lol
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-24-15, 17:29
EVIL. PERMA BAN!!!(j/k)
High Tower
01-24-15, 17:33
Dick move man, dick move.
You can't get people's hopes up like that.
It is a very cool idea though!
I would so whip out the credit card today for that bad boy!
The one thing that no one improved on is the P7's safety from children. This concept included.
Without the safety of the squeeze-cocker, then I might as well carry a PPQ. Lighter, I can shoot it at least as well - actually better in my recent testing, still a nice trigger, also looks good, also exotic enough to show that I don't run in the crowd with others, and more rounds.
I had two P7s at one time . A -13 and a nickel -9. I stupidly got rid of. Both of them because I figured I could always buy another. Epic failure on my part. If HK ever reboots the P7 I will be close to the start of the line to try to get one.
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EVIL. PERMA BAN!!!
Fixed :p
call_me_ski
01-24-15, 22:03
first time I have felt compelled to post this image
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I saw the title. Got my hopes up. Clicked on it.
I may murder you in your sleep, OP.
I am going to second this. This was not funny.
After I got my hopes up that something really neat was going to come out of SHOT I had to go pour myself a nice Brandy and fondle my P7M8. I then went and caught Die Hard on one of the movie channels and admired Hans' P7 as well.
P7's are awesome pistols for actual use but not much fun on the range. They get too hot to hold very quickly. Got rid of mine due to that and have no regrets
P7's are awesome pistols for actual use but not much fun on the range. They get too hot to hold very quickly. Got rid of mine due to that and have no regrets
I can put a box of ammo through my P7 without heating issues bothering me. By that time, I switch to another pistol, and let the P7 cool, then shoot it again if I want. They heating issue is overblow, imho, and if it really bothers you a shooting glove will solve the problem for extended range sessions.
People seem to say the Walther CCP (P7 gas system clone/copy) doesn't heat up as bad as the P7 did. If Walther/Umarex can do it, I'm sure HK can fix it in a next-gen P7.
Question for you P7 owners: Are P7s very ammo picky?
The_Watcher
01-25-15, 07:03
I have zero interest in a non squeeze cocking P7. No way they would replicate that awesome trigger without a squeeze cocking mechanism or a safety
I love it. I don't know how you did it, but it's a fantastic job! Funny as hell......... Very well executed, I'd buy one.
Question for you P7 owners: Are P7s very ammo picky?
My P7M8 has thousands of rounds of various ammunition with absolutely zero issues. I am sometimes lazy with
cleanings and the gun just keeps going. The P7 will even function with a broken extractor. Just stay away from lead bullets as it can foul up and corrode the gas port. I'm pretty sure that Greg Bell has around 50k rounds through his with zero issues. The P7's are a engineering masterpiece. The attention to detail, fit, and finish is amazing for a production gun.
High Tower
01-25-15, 18:49
People seem to say the Walther CCP (P7 gas system clone/copy) doesn't heat up as bad as the P7 did. If Walther/Umarex can do it, I'm sure HK can fix it in a next-gen P7.
Question for you P7 owners: Are P7s very ammo picky?
The P7 will take any ammo and shoot it extremely well. The frame does heat up at which point you shoot something else for a little while.
There is zero evidence that Walther has been able to do this. They were supposed to be shipping last April/May time frame. To my knowledge, there are still none in the wild. I am curious to learn when these idiot companies will stop releasing product information with grossly inaccurate delivery times.
Coal Dragger
01-26-15, 00:53
As much as I'd love an updated P7, the OP's concept with a polymer frame would pose problems with the gas delayed blow back system. I don't think the heat coming off the gas system would be good for the polymer at all.
Wonder how the Walther vaporware CCP will handle it?
The P7 will take any ammo and shoot it extremely well. The frame does heat up at which point you shoot something else for a little while.
There is zero evidence that Walther has been able to do this. They were supposed to be shipping last April/May time frame. To my knowledge, there are still none in the wild. I am curious to learn when these idiot companies will stop releasing product information with grossly inaccurate delivery times.
They've actually got quite a few commercial sales at this point. A bunch of regular shooter reviews on the Walther forum and YouTube. Most people say it works as advertised, but there are complaints about the goofy takedown and a lot of them have some rough manufacturing evidence. It may be a good idea to wait a while before purchasing one if you can't physically inspect it before purchasing (i.e. internet buying and shipping to your home FFL down the street may not be a good idea at this point).
I think that OP concept was not to catch P7 mode of operation, but P7 "feel" in scope of size and format (single stack semi-compact, but not too "semi") with VP9 "guts" inside.
You should throw that HK P9 pic around facebook and twitter and see how far it goes...
Hah! Yeah, open a Twitter account and call it HK_Dev or something.
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There is zero evidence that Walther has been able to do this. They were supposed to be shipping last April/May time frame. To my knowledge, there are still none in the wild. I am curious to learn when these idiot companies will stop releasing product information with grossly inaccurate delivery times.
The twenty or so listed on gunbroker don't count?
I think that OP concept was not to catch P7 mode of operation, but P7 "feel" in scope of size and format (single stack semi-compact, but not too "semi") with VP9 "guts" inside.
Correct.
Wouldn't make sense for HK to go back and reproduce an expensive and complicated pistol. Wouldn't fit in their current direction.
Hence the design exercise...what might a "modern day P7" look like?
High Tower
01-26-15, 12:44
They've actually got quite a few commercial sales at this point. A bunch of regular shooter reviews on the Walther forum and YouTube. Most people say it works as advertised, but there are complaints about the goofy takedown and a lot of them have some rough manufacturing evidence. It may be a good idea to wait a while before purchasing one if you can't physically inspect it before purchasing (i.e. internet buying and shipping to your home FFL down the street may not be a good idea at this point).
The twenty or so listed on gunbroker don't count?
Huh. Looks what happens when I give up on something. Still definitely not mainstream though.
Correct.
Wouldn't make sense for HK to go back and reproduce an expensive and complicated pistol. Wouldn't fit in their current direction.
Hence the design exercise...what might a "modern day P7" look like?
I think most of us got where you were going with it. Its a cool idea and would be a cool idea for HK to pursue.
WickedWillis
01-26-15, 14:57
I got incredibly excited before I actually read your post, but I must say you did a fantastic job there. You need to get ahold of HK, that thing would sell like crazy and actually force Glock to launch a single stack 9 :sarcastic:
hotrodder636
01-26-15, 15:30
Dang it man, like others I was hoping for another innovative model.
militarymoron
01-26-15, 21:37
I like it. Feels very balanced in the virtual hand. :p
31311
Bravo ! Well played, if not a little cruel.
Nicely done, I'd buy that
gunnar4321
01-28-15, 23:01
They already made a P 9 (and a P 9 S) and they were awesome pistols. Love my P 7's too........
You have to think HK kept the tooling for the original P7. Yes it would be expensive, but I'd like to see them do another run. I like my P7's a lot, and carry one often.
notorious_ar15
01-31-15, 02:12
Damn! I'd love to buy a modern day VP-9 / P7 as well - sign me up!
Good job OP, I like it.
It should also be a squeeze cocker. Nice try though.
Gary1911A1
02-01-15, 17:12
It should also be a squeeze cocker. Nice try though.
Agree. I never really understood why the concept never took off with other designs. It's the main reason I like my P7.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-02-15, 01:08
The one thing that no one improved on is the P7's safety from children. This concept included.
Without the safety of the squeeze-cocker, then I might as well carry a PPQ. Lighter, I can shoot it at least as well - actually better in my recent testing, still a nice trigger, also looks good, also exotic enough to show that I don't run in the crowd with others, and more rounds.
I take down my P7 to see if I can figure out a way to mill down the frame to the basics and 3d print a poly grip to mount the milled down frame to.
ABS, no. Maybe some Taulman Nylon? I still haven't seen a viable POM. You have more experience with the nylons, what do you think? I was wondering if using a dual head with two materials would work.
What are Glocks and S&W frames made of? I thought it was Pom, or a POM alloy?
I love P7 threads.
POM is acetal/Delrin. One would not make a gun from that. They are made of Nylon. Specifically Zytel for the S&W, I assume with fibers.
POM is acetal/Delrin. One would not make a gun from that. They are made of Nylon. Specifically Zytel for the S&W, I assume with fibers.
It's my understanding that glock is nylon 6 or nearly identical to it.
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