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jamesavery22
01-29-15, 13:33
Didn't see this posted anywhere: https://twitter.com/angstadtarms

http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/angstadt-arms-udp-9.jpg

Another option for a sub gun. I've always been a fan of the LWD AR lower. LWD lower + 9MM upper + bolt easily hits $1.5k. If this comes below $1000 on the street I'd say it's close to being a winner. Evo is cheaper but being able to use Glock mags steals it for me.
signal4l
01-29-15, 15:13
Looks interesting.

I have been reluctant to pull the trigger on a Lone Wolf/ glock pistol due to price.
jamesavery22
01-29-15, 17:33
Looks good on paper. Would be nice if it is reliable and had a good Street price. Know 0 about the company.
HardToHandle
01-30-15, 20:03
Looks interesting.

I have been reluctant to pull the trigger on a Lone Wolf/ glock pistol due to price.

I mixed LWD lower with a JSE a upper and ended up well under $1000 to get the Glock compatibility.
The Angstadt is attractive, especially if they addressed the issues from the last time these lowers were produced, such as BHO shear.
signal4l
02-01-15, 08:35
I mixed LWD lower with a JSE a upper and ended up well under $1000 to get the Glock compatibility.
The Angstadt is attractive, especially if they addressed the issues from the last time these lowers were produced, such as BHO shear.

I would love to see pics of your set up.
usmcvet
08-04-15, 22:27
I'm very interested. Especially with a factory SBR as an option. Anyone get there hands in one of these?
usmcvet
12-04-15, 18:07
Anyone shoot one of these yet?
cinco
12-05-15, 14:39
I'm very interested. Especially with a factory SBR as an option. Anyone get there hands in one of these?

These do look really really interesting - especially if they prove out to be rugged and reliable. I'd definitely consider... From the twitter feed link in OP...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRUX5VQWIAAtsR2.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVRBSOIWIAAnUyO.jpg:large

The only in-use video I found in a brief search...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=futgy-5mxNU
cinco
12-05-15, 14:50
From their website... $1349 list for SBR

https://angstadtarms.com/product/udp-9-sbr/

https://angstadtarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/angstadt-arms-udp9-sbr-angled-510x510.jpg


7075-T6 billet aluminum lower with a matte black hard-coat anodized finish
Flared magwell for faster reloads
Integrated, oversized trigger guard
Last round bolt hold open on an empty magazine
Threaded bolt catch screw
7075-T6 billet aluminum slick side upper receiver with appropriately sized ejection port and no forward assist or dust cover
9mm bolt assembly for use with a standard AR-15 hammer
6” 9mm barrel in chrome moly with a 1/10 twist, black phosphate finish and A2 style flash suppressor
Magpul MOE stock and K2 pistol grip
ODIN Works 5.5” free float keymod hand guard with continuous top picatinny rail and mounting positions at 3, 6, and 9 o’clock
Weight: Sub 5lbs
Length: 22″
Patent pending
We recommend using factory GlockŪ magazines
zk556x45
12-05-15, 18:16
Angstadt Arms is local to Charlotte and owned by a solid dude. Trying to get my hands on a pistol right now.


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TheChunkNorris
12-06-15, 09:41
I've handled one... it's nicely built, I personally don't care for the Glock mags but the system looks good.
JoshNC
12-06-15, 09:55
I would personally opt for a HK mp5/mp5k-n clone (either one built buy a good HK smith from a lsc flat or a MKE) or the SIG mpx (provided all the bugs are worked out).
TheChunkNorris
12-06-15, 09:56
I would personally opt for a HK mp5/mp5k-n clone (either one built buy a good HK smith from a lsc flat or a MKE) or the SIG mpx (provided all the bugs are worked out).

He's only looking to drop $1k... Any roller clone will be more.


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cinco
12-06-15, 13:39
I've handled one... it's nicely built, I personally don't care for the Glock mags but the system looks good.

Can you share more?
TheChunkNorris
12-06-15, 14:02
Can you share more?

Now I can't speak for this set up because I haven't taken it apart but other lowers I have seen use a bar that's attached to bolt release via a little "window"... That's your BHO. Some work well and some don't, it's finicky. You need a modded bolt carrier so the bolt will cycle over Glock mags which have a lip on the side that will impede it otherwise. The argument of "I have a Glock 17 so having an 9mm AR that takes those mags seem like a logical choice" is dumb because no one that has a G17 walks around with a 33rd mag and their 9mm AR at the same time... It's a moot point.

I'm a huge fan of the Colt SMG type 9mm AR. The magazines are about the same price as the Glock mags, no special bolt requirements, and the bolt will hold open on the last round. I'm only speaking for the AR 9mm platform. SMGs historically have straight or curved mags and with the exception of the Kriss which is a whole different animal and don't have an angled magazine feeding the system... There's probably a good reason for that. With that said, the Angstadt looks good, felt good in my hands, and looks like a quality product. I don't like the Glock mags for the reasons stated above and it seems very "Tacticool".


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cinco
12-06-15, 14:08
Now I can't speak for this set up because I haven't taken it apart but other lowers I have seen use a bar that's attached to bolt release via a little "window"... That's your BHO. Some work well and some don't, it's finicky. You need a modded bolt carrier so the bolt will cycle over Glock mags which have a lip on the side that will impede it otherwise. The argument of "I have a Glock 17 so having an 9mm AR that takes those mags seem like a logical choice" is dumb because no one that has a G17 walks around with a 33rd mag and their 9mm AR at the same time... It's a moot point.

I'm a huge fan of the Colt SMG type 9mm AR. The magazines are about the same price as the Glock mags, no special bolt requirements, and the bolt will hold open on the last round. I'm only speaking for the AR 9mm platform. SMGs historically have straight or curved mags and with the exception of the Kriss which is a whole different animal and don't have an angled magazine feeding the system... There's probably a good reason for that. With that said, the Angstadt looks good, felt good in my hands, and looks like a quality product. I don't like the Glock mags for the reasons stated above and it seems very "Tacticool".


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Thanks man, I appreciate your insight. New to the whole 9mm sub gun/AR-based unit - so your perspective is appreciated.
TheChunkNorris
12-06-15, 14:13
Thanks man, I appreciate your insight. New to the whole 9mm sub gun/AR - so your perspective is appreciated.

This is what I built. The lower is a DDLES but they went out of business and now QCircle10 makes that lower. Buffers and buffer springs make or break your set up regardless of what style you go with(SMG patterned vs Glock patterned). I'm pretty sure if you get a complete rifle/pistol from Angsadt... It'll run well but that issue may arise later on.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/06/2fe446e85a7820bc023beffc3b9bc8b3.jpg


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cinco
12-06-15, 16:39
This is what I built. The lower is a DDLES but they went out of business and now QCircle10 makes that lower. Buffers and buffer springs make or break your set up regardless of what style you go with(SMG patterned vs Glock patterned). I'm pretty sure if you get a complete rifle/pistol from Angsadt... It'll run well but that issue may arise later on.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/06/2fe446e85a7820bc023beffc3b9bc8b3.jpg


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Very nice job. I started doing a little more research and stumbled upon the QC10 lowers (actually started a thread mistakenly under this section - might get moved to AR Pistol Caliber Section). I had seen that DDLES is now QC10 - apparently bought their tooling/etc - and they seem to have a good rep. Did read that some lowers - perhaps just Glock version - might have an issue and need to be tweaked for LRBHO consistency. I did notice the subject of buffers/springs discussed. Did you go heavy at first and work down?

Also, if you would be willing to share, how would you personally compare the cost you have in a built unit to something like the Angstadt at list price of $1300?
whittlebeast
01-12-16, 19:09
I recently purchased a UDP-9 from a local FFL that had bought it for his personal toy. Apparently these things are still really rare.

Here is a pic.
http://s464.photobucket.com/user/whittlebeast/media/9f16db03-1a43-4843-a1ba-a929178a6208_zpszmkzugb6.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

I have about 200 rounds thru it so fare without a single FTF. I am holding about 3.5" at 25 yards off my cheek. Half of the 20 hits were in a 1.25" circle.

I love the gun. It my be my new favorite for paper and self defense. The glass is 1-4x

Andy
whittlebeast
01-12-16, 20:38
Here is the UDP-9 compared to a RRA AR15

http://s464.photobucket.com/user/whittlebeast/media/AR%20Pistols_zps01gu6ekd.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

Here is the 25 yard paper with 20 hits.

http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/whittlebeast/UDP%20Target_zps98bikjqk.jpg

Andy
scubadds
01-20-16, 11:04
I have had one for a month or so. I have shot it twice with no issues.
I have the "blade" on a pistol buffer tube
I put in a Spikes tactical 9mm buffer and wolf spring.

They are solid guys to work with
Saw there was a dealer special on the law tactical folding stock adapter, so I have that on order.

Mine currently has a 7.5" barrel, I am rethreading a spare barrel at the moment.

I might have it ported around the barrel nut and integrally suppress....but that's a whole 'nother topic....
TheChunkNorris
01-20-16, 11:26
I have had one for a month or so. I have shot it twice with no issues.
I have the "blade" on a pistol buffer tube
I put in a Spikes tactical 9mm buffer and wolf spring.

They are solid guys to work with
Saw there was a dealer special on the law tactical folding stock adapter, so I have that on order.

Mine currently has a 7.5" barrel, I am rethreading a spare barrel at the moment.

I might have it ported around the barrel nut and integrally suppress....but that's a whole 'nother topic....

I'd love to see some info on that if you decided to do it.
scubadds
01-20-16, 11:29
I have shot my friends that does the machining; basically it becomes a MP5SD, Glock and AR-15 love child....
Makes any 9mm subsonic
My hesitation is I get 147gr subsonic very cheap; so I don't know that I always want to shoot subsonic
TheChunkNorris
01-20-16, 11:32
As stated I have a Colt SMG patterned AR9 but wouldn't mind doing that to a dedicated upper.
whittlebeast
01-20-16, 11:34
What is the thread on these things?
scubadds
01-20-16, 11:34
Get a quarter circle ten and a barrel; use your same bolt.
scubadds
01-20-16, 11:36
What is the thread on these things?
On what? Barrel on the Angstadt? I got my barrel elsewhere, I didn't figure out what was on there yet... I can't even recall the barrel I bought; I think it was the non-stainless from JSE surplus....
whittlebeast
01-21-16, 16:07
Do you guys think this may have a chance of working?

https://macmachineguns.com/?product=flash-9mm-compensator-2

Andy
whittlebeast
01-21-16, 21:30
The UDP threads are 1/2x36 so that piece is not an option.
whittlebeast
01-31-16, 21:14
I picked up one of these today on Ebay. Hopefully, I can test it this weekend. Rich at Angstadt really likes them.

http://www.lantac-usa.com/AR15-M16-M4-Rifle-Accessories/DGN9MMC.html

Andy
whittlebeast
02-08-16, 06:06
Three fast shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diPnccAFQ7I

The same series in slow motion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeinFU6Zek

Shooting slower with the laser on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ5_SXPL6bI

And in slow motion with laser on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdEJYhm255Y

Andy