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platoonDaddy
02-01-15, 17:04
She is a little high strung to say the least
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjsAuLn5OM&feature=player_embedded&x-yt-cl=85114404&x-yt-ts=1422579428
Outlander Systems
02-01-15, 18:32
What kind of pepper Spray is that!? That stream was GLORIOUS!
Well, so much for psychological resting and probationary periods.
Angie Dickinson she's not.
Mauser KAR98K
02-01-15, 19:11
Guess tye hippies needed a bath.
Averageman
02-01-15, 22:59
I saw that in an earlier post somewhere.
Aparently the guy with the funky hat is suing the PD for being Pepper Sprayed.
The neat or not so neat version of incidents like these show only 5 seconds of a what might have taken a half hour to build up to someone in blue deciding these folks needed a little Salsa with their Eggs.
What kind of pepper Spray is that!? That stream was GLORIOUS!
That be called a DefTec Mark 9, 18 to 20 feet range, about 15 seconds worth of OC or OC/CS. Hers had a yellow band on the top so it was .4% OC.
It looked to me as if the guy in the hat was walking away talking on his cell phone, unknown what went on before that, though.
I know it's only a 15 second clip that gives none of the back story but she really seems out of line. People walking away and none of her Co workers seem to share her enthusiasm for spraying dirty hippies or otherwise. Kinda seems like a heavy flow day type of deal.
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Outlander Systems
02-02-15, 04:19
You, Sir, are a gentleman, and a scholar!
That be called a DefTec Mark 9, 18 to 20 feet range, about 15 seconds worth of OC or OC/CS. Hers had a yellow band on the top so it was .4% OC.
It looked to me as if the guy in the hat was walking away talking on his cell phone, unknown what went on before that, though.
Averageman
02-02-15, 05:35
That be called a DefTec Mark 9, 18 to 20 feet range, about 15 seconds worth of OC or OC/CS. Hers had a yellow band on the top so it was .4% OC.
It looked to me as if the guy in the hat was walking away talking on his cell phone, unknown what went on before that, though.
He was one of the keynote Speakers at this particular event and a local H.S. Teacher. I'm not sure what he had to say, but aparently She didn't like it.
Moose-Knuckle
02-02-15, 06:17
Google "Jeasse Hagopian" he is an "activist teacher" . . . :suicide:
Averageman
02-02-15, 06:35
Google "Jeasse Hagopian" he is an "activist teacher" . . . :suicide:
Yeah he's a peach alright.
From an interview:
From this point of view, education reform should have nothing to do with free market “solutions”—schemes such as teacher merit pay, privatized charter schools, or increased worker and student efficiency through standardized tests. Instead, education reform based on social justice should be aimed to provide a holistic education that teaches skills of leadership and social responsibility, and assess students’ abilities to collaborate with peers, reevaluate assumptions based on new evidence, and defend well-reasoned positions on current events—all things impossible to quantify on a standardized test.
I dont want standardized testing, but I would like to turn your kid in to one of his little "Brown Shirts". Perhaps She had a child subjected to the above tripe and had to deal with teaching her kid the realities of life, all while being told about her "White Privilege." and how her job is " keeping all the black and brown folks down."
It looked to me as if the guy in the hat was walking away talking on his cell phone, unknown what went on before that, though.
Who cares what happen before, they only thing that counts is what happen at that moment.
If SPD thinks a guy on a cell phone is a problem, they really got problems. Look how she sprays the rest of the crowd. Someone need to be taking down a dark alley and gently explained to them :nono:
While I can't see the need for deploying OC in the video, can you imagine being an officer in Seattle and having to deal with the patchouli, kale and pot crowd always railing against something? I'd want to be as far away from them as I could too! :)
Guess what? That S@#$bag is already come up with a law suit.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/29/jesse-hagopian-pepper-sprayed-seattle-black-lives-matter-rally-sues
Guess what? That S@#$bag is already come up with a law suit.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/29/jesse-hagopian-pepper-sprayed-seattle-black-lives-matter-rally-sues
Did he warrant being sprayed? Until that's established then it's not that reasonable to bitch about him filing a lawsuit. If I was sprayed without cause intentionally by an overzealous leo then damn straight I'd file a lawsuit. Fact is he sounds like a commie hippie and she seems like a feminist psycho but judging solely by the video none of us can determine who's right or wrong in this instance. Need more facts.
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Voodoo_Man
02-02-15, 12:01
Watching the air carry it back towards the officers is the reason OC sucks.
The officer beside her seemed to look back with a WTF look on his face after she sprayed the crowd. She is also the only officer yelling or otherwise acting in an aggressive matter. In fact if you look in the background it looks like 2 guys are having a conversation with one of the other officers. From the small snippet of video it looks like she needs a high five to the face with a bat. And if I was there with her I would probably let someone do it.
Of course as others have said we don't know what happened leading up to this. But looking at the body language of the crowd and the officers there it doesn't look like anything had happened. Possible exception being the guy with the black lives matter sign, I get an aggressive vibe from him. The teacher seems like a tool but from what we know he also seems right in suing.
Watching the air carry it back towards the officers is the reason OC sucks.
That's why my other half won't carry it.
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Judging by the bystanders reaction to the spray compared to the reactions of the other leo's standing there down range of the cloud, the contents of that spray cloud must have been a cleaning agent such as soap and water. Dirty hippies fled as is AIDS was being sprayed, and leo's stood there as if nothing happened.
This video gives a much better context to the events:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/20/video-of-seattle-police-pepper-spraying-mlk-day-protesters
Notice that a mob is starting to surround an injured officer who was assaulted by a protestor. The situation gets ugly until reinforcements arrive. The first officer to deploy spray in the center of the screen does so in response to a protestor who continues to advance on the officer's bicycle parameter. The officer in question deploys her spray on the gathering in the top left portion of the screen shortly after the first officer at about the 2:12 mark. Notice how protestors were coming around the bicycle parameter to get behind the officers until she lit them up. I'd have sprayed much, much faster in that scenario.
This video gives a much better context to the events:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/20/video-of-seattle-police-pepper-spraying-mlk-day-protesters
Notice that a mob is starting to surround an injured officer who was assaulted by a protestor. The situation gets ugly until reinforcements arrive. The first officer to deploy spray in the center of the screen does so in response to a protestor who continues to advance on the officer's bicycle parameter. The officer in question deploys her spray on the gathering in the top left portion of the screen shortly after the first officer at about the 2:12 mark. Notice how protestors were coming around the bicycle parameter to get behind the officers until she lit them up. I'd have sprayed much, much faster in that scenario.
Now we're getting somewhere.
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Moose-Knuckle
02-02-15, 23:41
This video gives a much better context to the events:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/20/video-of-seattle-police-pepper-spraying-mlk-day-protesters
Notice that a mob is starting to surround an injured officer who was assaulted by a protestor. The situation gets ugly until reinforcements arrive. The first officer to deploy spray in the center of the screen does so in response to a protestor who continues to advance on the officer's bicycle parameter. The officer in question deploys her spray on the gathering in the top left portion of the screen shortly after the first officer at about the 2:12 mark. Notice how protestors were coming around the bicycle parameter to get behind the officers until she lit them up. I'd have sprayed much, much faster in that scenario.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QblkQ-J6zio
We live in a country where we have "professional protestors/activists". All spawned from an infected academia with their Marxist roots, ****'em . . .
I saw many protest marches, demonstrations, and a couple riots during the 1960s. I turned 15 in 1963. My father gave me a Walther P-38 which became my companion when not in school or church. Some of you guys may have seen Oprah's Selma movie, which didn't show the marchers' trail of shit, beer cans, hygiene products, and condoms. A popular saying among the rednecks was "I ain't menstruated since I demonstrated."
Eurodriver
02-03-15, 10:06
2nd Video shows it's a good spray no doubt.
Umm Maybe I am missing something. But those two videos are not the same moments..
Eurodriver
02-03-15, 11:08
But it shows why the hairy fairy was so quick to spray.
Downed LEO, crowd circling, getting rowdy, trying to instigate with brooms and shit.
That's why I like the Marine Corps and Iraq. If a Marine is down and an angry crowd approaches, we just call in the Cobras. Because my guys are more important, and because **** you.
But it shows why the hairy fairy was so quick to spray.
Downed LEO, crowd circling, getting rowdy, trying to instigate with brooms and shit.
That's why I like the Marine Corps and Iraq. If a Marine is down and an angry crowd approaches, we just call in the Cobras. Because my guys are more important, and because **** you.
I actually disagree here as well. Did this happen before or after what she did? Did she even know about the other situation.
And all that aside if the crowd she faced wasn't acting threatening why would she act like that regardless of what happens elsewhere.
Lets escalate it. An officer in her situation without OC or Peper spray. An officer down or injured call in another area. She deploys her firearm. Is she justified?
Umm Maybe I am missing something. But those two videos are not the same moments..
Look closely at the top left of your screen at around -2:12 mark and you will see the female officer deploying her pepper spray. The video that I posted is a totally different angle of the same event. You can even see the lady with the light cream coat who catches it right in the kisser.
Averageman
02-03-15, 12:23
I actually disagree here as well. Did this happen before or after what she did? Did she even know about the other situation.
And all that aside if the crowd she faced wasn't acting threatening why would she act like that regardless of what happens elsewhere.
Lets escalate it. An officer in her situation without OC or Peper spray. An officer down or injured call in another area. She deploys her firearm. Is she justified?
It looked like a lot of stuff was going down and it was being recorded at several different angles. I would hate to pass judgment as to why he specifically got sprayed, but it goes back to going to stupid places with stupid people and doing stupid things. What did Mick say, "I went down to the demonstration to get my fair share of abuse." ?
This guy is an attention whore and has some pretty radical opinions and I'm sure expresses them to the H.S. Students he teaches. If he was a part of that crowd and had any part of trying to flank or fight those Cops the School Board might want to ask him to pound sand and go find a new job.
So if my Kid was there watching his Teacher speak and got Pepper Sprayed can I sue him?
It looked like a lot of stuff was going down and it was being recorded at several different angles. I would hate to pass judgment as to why he specifically got sprayed, but it goes back to going to stupid places with stupid people and doing stupid things. What did Mick say, "I went down to the demonstration to get my fair share of abuse." ?
This guy is an attention whore and has some pretty radical opinions and I'm sure expresses them to the H.S. Students he teaches. If he was a part of that crowd and had any part of trying to flank or fight those Cops the School Board might want to ask him to pound sand and go find a new job.
So if my Kid was there watching his Teacher speak and got Pepper Sprayed can I sue him?
The same could be said for a lot of people on this board. The only difference is what we would be protesting about.
And I am still not seeing the original event in this second video. I see an officer spray some guys but this is a different one and appears to be justified.
Until I see more details I still think she was in the wrong. Even if there were things going on in other areas the people she sprayed were not acting in any way agressive. They were literally waking along peacefully. Frankly if anyone did this too me, uniform or no. Woman or no It would be on.
Averageman
02-03-15, 12:57
The same could be said for a lot of people on this board. The only difference is what we would be protesting about.
And I am still not seeing the original event in this second video. I see an officer spray some guys but this is a different one and appears to be justified.
Until I see more details I still think she was in the wrong. Even if there were things going on in other areas the people she sprayed were not acting in any way agressive. They were literally waking along peacefully. Frankly if anyone did this too me, uniform or no. Woman or no It would be on.
I can see anyone on the ground being nervous, that Cop that was down was in trouble, at the point where they appeared to try and flank the line to get to him; I'm really surprised someone didn't get a bit more than pepper sprayed.
At the point where the Teacher begin saying "We don't need to have standardized tests, what we need is Social Justice.", he should have been escorted to the parking lot with all his teacher junk in a cardboard box.
A lot of the problem we have with the FSA attitude is being taught by guys just like this. The problem is they are supported by people within the Administration and School Board who feel he's right.
I can see anyone on the ground being nervous, that Cop that was down was in trouble, at the point where they appeared to try and flank the line to get to him; I'm really surprised someone didn't get a bit more than pepper sprayed.
At the point where the Teacher begin saying "We don't need to have standardized tests, what we need is Social Justice.", he should have been escorted to the parking lot with all his teacher junk in a cardboard box.
A lot of the problem we have with the FSA attitude is being taught by guys just like this. The problem is they are supported by people within the Administration and School Board who feel he's right.
I agree the guy is an idiot when it comes to teaching. I can't stand crap like that. However you can't correlate that with him getting OC in the face.
I agree the guy is an idiot when it comes to teaching. I can't stand crap like that. However you can't correlate that with him getting OC in the face.
It is the same incident, at the top left corner you can see her doing her thing. The pepper spray was already deployed behind her and people were obviously not getting back. Don't know what you want, let them walk right up into the cops face? When incidents like this occur control of the crowd needs to be quick or the crowd can rapidly evolve into a mob. The people the female sprayed may or may not have know what was going on behind her, but that is no excuse. Move back and get away are pretty simiple things to understand.
platoonDaddy
02-04-15, 03:32
It is the same incident, at the top left corner you can see her doing her thing. The pepper spray was already deployed behind her and people were obviously not getting back. Don't know what you want, let them walk right up into the cops face? When incidents like this occur control of the crowd needs to be quick or the crowd can rapidly evolve into a mob. The people the female sprayed may or may not have know what was going on behind her, but that is no excuse. Move back and get away are pretty simiple things to understand.
I am not a LEO or have I ever been, during military-civil-disturbance-drills we practiced letting them get in our face. Would we, now that is an interesting question.
Voodoo_Man
02-04-15, 05:29
I am not a LEO or have I ever been, during military-civil-disturbance-drills we practiced letting them get in our face. Would we, now that is an interesting question.
General rule of thumb is that you do not let them within your area - think about a general 5 foot rule, they should not be in there for any reason. They test this by walking directly past you but in a different direction.
Looks to me like she did the right thing and it had nothing to do with racism.
Why does the "sprayee's" race have anything to do with what happened?
Her spraying technique needs work though.
You don't spit into the wind or heavily spray O.C. into it either.
A light touch often works quite well.
I know as I've sprayed many an attacking dog while out cycling.
Looks to me like she did the right thing and it had nothing to do with racism.
Why does the "sprayee's" race have anything to do with what happened?
Her spraying technique needs work though.
You don't spit into the wind or heavily spray O.C. into it either.
A light touch often works quite well.
I know as I've sprayed many an attacking dog while out cycling.
This is more like spraying a dog while it sits there licking its junk.
This video gives a much better context to the events:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2015/01/20/video-of-seattle-police-pepper-spraying-mlk-day-protesters
Notice that a mob is starting to surround an injured officer who was assaulted by a protestor. The situation gets ugly until reinforcements arrive. The first officer to deploy spray in the center of the screen does so in response to a protestor who continues to advance on the officer's bicycle parameter. The officer in question deploys her spray on the gathering in the top left portion of the screen shortly after the first officer at about the 2:12 mark. Notice how protestors were coming around the bicycle parameter to get behind the officers until she lit them up. I'd have sprayed much, much faster in that scenario.
She sprays the folks on the first, smaller snippet at :33 in the larger snippet you posted. This was 8 seconds after she turned around and saw the officers behind her spraying. At the time she turned and looked, the crowd was much closer around her than it was when she began spraying - it was actually thinning out in front of her at the time she sprayed. You can actually see the guy she sprayed standing just in front of the bicycle officer near the top of your screen, just to the left of the double yellow lines. At around 0:06 there is a guy in a red shirt walking a gesturing in front of him. You can watch him from that point and he never does anything particularly riotus aside from talking on his cell phone.
I don't know where you come up with 2:12, unless the link you posted plays different for me. I also think that it's kind of noteworthy that I didn't observe any of the other officers on her line deploying when she did, the guy a couple bikes to her right seemed to be shaking his down by his side, but I don't recall him deploying.
The guy she sprayed may be an idiot, but at the time he got sprayed I hadn't seen anything that indicated he was an idiot that needed to be oc'ed.
Watch the video focusing on the officers body language, the way she shifts around, head darting, this goes beyond being situationally aware.
This was 'fear biting' plain and simple.
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