View Full Version : Remington 700 tactical chassis options?
I have been curious about this setup for a while now. Has anyone had any experience with MDT products?
I already have a Rem 700 AAC SD, and looking to upgrade it.
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/centerfire-tactical/model-700-tactical-chassis.aspx
http://mdttac.com/tac21-chassis-system.html
Thoughts on this option? Pros/Cons or other recommendations similar?
Thanks in advance for any input.
I've had the LSS, as ok quality wise, the forend was kind of "lacking" for me. It was light and handy though. Never owned the TAC 21, handled one on a rifle, was really chunky feeling to me, I didn't like it at all. I have the XLR Element, solid and light, ergonomics are great, more "ARish" to me. If you don't mind a wee bit more weight, the AI chassis are very nice.
devilsdeeds
02-11-15, 07:17
I never cared for there tac 21 chassis but there new chassis they just released MDT HS3 looks to be a really nice, light option while giving you a longer forend than the LSS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OjPa5k1-g
joedirt199
02-11-15, 09:48
It's MDTs way of stealing some business from XLR's Element stock. The element is pretty light and has a nice adjustable buttstock.
I've had the LSS, as ok quality wise, the forend was kind of "lacking" for me. It was light and handy though. Never owned the TAC 21, handled one on a rifle, was really chunky feeling to me, I didn't like it at all. I have the XLR Element, solid and light, ergonomics are great, more "ARish" to me. If you don't mind a wee bit more weight, the AI chassis are very nice.
How would you rate the quality of the Tac 21 you handled? Is it a solid feeling setup and well made? It does look a little bulky in pics, I've not seen one in person. "ARish" is exactly the way I want to go.
It seemed ok to me, just a lot going on in my opinion. Handling, well the best I can come up with is if you ever handled a real HK91 or G3 and then picked up a Century clone of one. Difference in the AI or XLR and then the 21
I did a little research on a few of these recommendations looking at weight and features of what I am wanting. AR style ergonomics and a top 12 o'clock rail for eventually NV or FLIR for hog hunting are a must.
The Tac 21 with PRS stock and MOE grip = 5.45 lbs
The AI AX chassis comes in at 5.60lbs
And the XLR Carbon is 3.75lbs
These are not a huge difference in price. From $689 for the TAC 21 (minus stock and grip) , $900 for XLR Carbon to a little over $1K for AI AX.
I'm torn between the three.
Go with the XLR or AI, resale will be better if required.
Go with the XLR or AI, resale will be better if required.
You make a good point there, I have always been iffy on buying/ordering something I've never had my hands on or had first hand experience with. I've never seen any of these in person in any local shop in my area so it's going to be a suprise in the mail at some point.
These two have pretty good gap in weight difference. I do plan on taking this rifle hunting but I don't mind packing the little bit of extra weight. For precision target use also as a dual role, will there be a significant difference of accuracy and stability gain with the weight difference of the AI AX chassis compared to the XLR? Or expect similar results between the two and not worry about the weight?
I don't think you would see any difference in accuracy, big thing as you described is weight since you will hunt with it. My recommendation is the XLR Element and while I like the folder and Taclite stock, thinking about the CTR/riser for another one if I go that route with the .223 Tikka. I like the folder for transport/cleaning/storage, you can accomplish the cleaning portion with the CTR by quickly removing the stock from the tube if using a standard rod and want to remove the bolt. The stock can be collapsed for the other two but not as compact. I think you may like the ergonomics better on the Element as you mentioned more "ARish" feel.
I don't think you would see any difference in accuracy, big thing as you described is weight since you will hunt with it. My recommendation is the XLR Element and while I like the folder and Taclite stock, thinking about the CTR/riser for another one if I go that route with the .223 Tikka. I like the folder for transport/cleaning/storage, you can accomplish the cleaning portion with the CTR by quickly removing the stock from the tube if using a standard rod and want to remove the bolt. The stock can be collapsed for the other two but not as compact. I think you may like the ergonomics better on the Element as you mentioned more "ARish" feel.
Is this the riser you mentioned?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319135674/magpul-ctr-moe-stock-cheek-rest-ar-15-polymer
I have a CTR on an AR that I really like, might be on to something here.
Thanks for the advice Mark, much appreciated.
Yes, try to keep the scope low, usually with a 700 and a pic rail, low rings work up to a 44mm obj and med are fine with the 50mm. You will need to figure out how you want or like the stock fit, everyone is different and pick the correct height. Before buying maybe put on the stock and use material in 1/4" non compressible increments to fit and then order the corresponding one, they are 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4" heights.
Yes, try to keep the scope low, usually with a 700 and a pic rail, low rings work up to a 44mm obj and med are fine with the 50mm. You will need to figure out how you want or like the stock fit, everyone is different and pick the correct height. Before buying maybe put on the stock and use material in 1/4" non compressible increments to fit and then order the corresponding one, they are 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4" heights.
The more I look at these the more I like the looks and ergonomics I'm looking for. Since you have experience with XLR, what are your thoughts on the new version with carbon fiber handguard? Worth the extra coin over the Element?
Both can have a top rail installed for NV or FLIR?
I'm looking hard at a Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5-14x50, and Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 for optic choice on this rifle. Thanks for the heads up on ring height and testing out the height of a riser to use. I like to keep all my tools feeling similar to use and that is right up my alley.
No idea on the Carbon, however, the ring height will change as the Carbon and Evolution are different that the Element since they have the full front rail. To my knowledge, all will support NV mounting. Look hard for used NF's as you may find a good deal, alot of new scopes out/coming out and people want the latest and greatest.
Another point scored for the XLR Element
https://m.facebook.com/XlrIndustries?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FXlrIndustries
NV mount.
devilsdeeds
02-15-15, 22:24
I'm loving my XLR Element. I believe the element is only a few ounces heavier than the carbon, not enough to merit the price difference imo. Keep an eye out on snipershide as they have NF and Leupold optics for sale all the time.
There are two NF 3.5-15 on there right now.
http://snipershide.scout.com/forums/5553-optics/13662011-nightforce-3-5-15x-50mm-zero-stops-np-r1-high-speed-knobs-lnib?s=541
This may be a dumb question but will the Element accept any AR style buffer tube? They mention on the website it is 1 3/16 threads. I know mil spec and commercial are different diameters, but are the threads the same? If I go with the Element I'm really interested in installing the CTR stock to stay similar to my AR.
Eurodriver
02-16-15, 16:45
This may be a dumb question but will the Element accept any AR style buffer tube? They mention on the website it is 1 3/16 threads. I know mil spec and commercial are different diameters, but are the threads the same? If I go with the Element I'm really interested in installing the CTR stock to stay similar to my AR.
Threads are the same my fellow Mercedes-Brother.
Threads are the same my fellow Mercedes-Brother.
Thanks, I was thinking they would be, I haven't got into building ARs yet, have just purchased complete.
New option from Mega Arms 2015 SHOT Show
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f9TzKidPKxg
This one also looks like it would fit the purpose, 2.4 lbs without a stock, very " ARish"
NV mounting capability, however I'm not sure about how solid the QD NV mount would be, does look like a nice feature though.
Question: If I'm doing load development for a 700 that eventually I'm going to put into a chassis, but not now, will it still like the same load after as before just with a POI shift, or is it a totally different animal after?
Question: If I'm doing load development for a 700 that eventually I'm going to put into a chassis, but not now, will it still like the same load after as before just with a POI shift, or is it a totally different animal after?
It should still like the same load, the gains in my case anyway upgrading from the hogue stock should be greater consistency and better ergonomics to maximize the loads the rifle likes. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
Another question: the 700 I'll be working with is a long action but in 30-06 rather than 300 win mag. It has a fixed mag now but if/when I put it in a chassis it will be able to use a detachable one. So far all I see are Win Mag magazines, none specifically for the 06. Would I use the same ones and just alter the feed lips and change the follower?
Another question: the 700 I'll be working with is a long action but in 30-06 rather than 300 win mag. It has a fixed mag now but if/when I put it in a chassis it will be able to use a detachable one. So far all I see are Win Mag magazines, none specifically for the 06. Would I use the same ones and just alter the feed lips and change the follower?
Try a google search but I think they can be modified with a magazine feed lip tool
devilsdeeds
02-17-15, 18:51
You can run 30-06 in the 300 AI mags
Very good then! I would guess I'd fit a couple more rounds in it too. I wonder if they work with stripper clips.
pyrotechnic
02-17-15, 22:07
30.06 will run in the .300 win mag AI mags. You will need to bend in the feed lips.
Since some of these chassis systems accept AR buffer tubes and stocks, what are thoughts on which buffer tube to use on a bolt action chassis?
devilsdeeds
02-18-15, 07:33
That's really personal preference. Carbine, A5 either will work just depends if you want a longer lop. Something to keep in mind, some chassis won't work with stocks like the PRS or UBR and others that use the notch in the back of the receiver for anti-rotation. Some can be adapted others can't.
In that case a simple six position tube and a CTR stock would be just fine.
Looking at the Element chassis it looks like a flat top pistol grip must be used?
I'm sure it's the same for all XLR chassis, my Element has a set screw that locks into the notch of the receiver extension (buffer tube) that the end plate locks into on an AR. (the channel on the bottom portion)
If going with a light stock such as a CTR on one of these chassis, would a slightly heavier buffer tube be a benefit to the balance of the rifle or not a concern to worry about?
Is this the grip that comes with the complete Element chassis?
http://ergogrips.net/products/ergo-rifle-grips/flat-top-tactical-deluxe-grips.html
devilsdeeds
02-18-15, 23:08
The minimal increase of weight would be negligible in the balance I would think.
Yes that is the grip it comes with.
http://www.xlrindustries.com/Element-chassis.html
Bad pic of my rifle
31782
Looks sharp, I will probably go with a bare chassis and add the rest.
Is that a KRG bolt knob?
devilsdeeds
02-18-15, 23:26
Yep, a nice cheap upgrade.
Yep, a nice cheap upgrade.
I've been interested in those, does it fit tight without any wiggle around the existing handle?
devilsdeeds
02-20-15, 23:02
It's rock solid.
It's rock solid.
Nice, I'll be adding that to the list as I will for sure be hunting with the setup with gloves in cold weather, the trigger guard on the Element looks to have sufficient room to accomidate cold weather gloves as well.
devilsdeeds
02-21-15, 11:57
Yea there is plenty of room for gloves, especially if you use a flat trigger like the Timney 517.
Yea there is plenty of room for gloves, especially if you use a flat trigger like the Timney 517.
That looks like an excellent option for what I am going for. I was already thinking Timney, the 517 looks like a solid choice for my application.
Question on the Element, can the existing sling mount be removed? I'd want to add a bottom rail to use a Larue LT 130 QD bi pod mount.
Edit: I think I found my answer here from pics and post #5 (2" bottom rail) :)
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?164008-XLR-Element-chassis-and-Tikka-CTR**pics
I'm sure it's the same for all XLR chassis, my Element has a set screw that locks into the notch of the receiver extension (buffer tube) that the end plate locks into on an AR. (the channel on the bottom portion)
Is it possible to put a single point sling adapter on the back there?
Is it possible to put a single point sling adapter on the back there?
I think it would get in the way of your grip. Maybe a better option is a QD hub like used on forends? You would have to drill/tap that section though. I was thinking of contacting XLR and inquiring about a new feature like that or an end plate designed for this system.
Question on the Element, can the existing sling mount be removed? I'd want to add a bottom rail to use a Larue LT 130 QD bi pod mount.
Edit: I think I found my answer here from pics and post #5 (2" bottom rail) :)
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?164008-XLR-Element-chassis-and-Tikka-CTR**pics
Yes, I added a 2" plate
Yes, I added a 2" plate
That is all I'd need is a small 2" bottom rail so I can switch the Harris bi pod I have between a couple other rifles with a QD mount. Did you buy the 2" from XLR for yours? Is there a difference as far as the screw spacing compared to other rails to how it mounts to the chassis?
That is all I'd need is a small 2" bottom rail so I can switch the Harris bi pod I have between a couple other rifles with a QD mount. Did you buy the 2" from XLR for yours? Is there a difference as far as the screw spacing compared to other rails to how it mounts to the chassis?
I got it from them. I really don't know about the spacing differences if any at all. One would think there would be an industry standard on that topic.
devilsdeeds
02-25-15, 07:55
XLR has stated that their rail spacing is proprietary in other threads.
I found this on Snipers Hide
Unfortunately there is no industry standard for accessory rails so the spacing is specific. The 2" rail can be used on the bottom only of the element for bipod use. The 4" rails can be used on the sides or bottom-Kyle ~ XLR.
http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=242390
What on Earth justifies a $4k price on a RACS
http://grabagun.com/remington-86488-racs-complete-assembly.html
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/chassis/
A little info here along with a few others.
devilsdeeds
02-25-15, 10:08
That is kinda/not really the civilian version of the XM2010 rifle system the military uses. So anything that is used by .mil gets a huge markup. There is also a lot of machining that goes into a chassis like that as well. A cheaper but similar option is made by Cadex, http://www.cadexdefence.com/products/chassis/
That is kinda/not really the civilian version of the XM2010 rifle system the military uses. So anything that is used by .mil gets a huge markup. There is also a lot of machining that goes into a chassis like that as well. A cheaper but similar option is made by Cadex, http://www.cadexdefence.com/products/chassis/
Those look really sharp, several different models. The roller bedding technology they use looks interesting.
I have tried finding some more information without much luck on the roller bedding. Does anyone know more about this or an opinion of it as far as benifits? I saw they claim reduces barrel vibrations but that's about it.
A friend of mine tossed a monkey wrench into my thoughts this weekend. Is there any known issue with lesser repeatability of zero due to action screws loosening with any particular chassis brand or model versus another? Or was he just trying to mess with me?
Tattoonick
06-11-15, 22:48
I have an MDT HS3 with a PRS stock with my Rem700 in it and I'm very happy with it. Shoots sub .5 MOA groups with handloads and has a nice balance to it. My only wish would be a fatter magazine release lever on it. It would be nice if it protruded slightly out to the sides, but that's pretty minor I think. I haven't tried mounting any rails to the chassis, but it's nice to know I could.
Here's a pic, though I just recently had my barrel cut down to 20" so my suppressor doesn't hang out too far. 33687
Tattoonick
06-11-15, 22:48
I dunno why my pics load such low quality on here :/ I'll try a smaller image, maybe that'll help?
33688
Nope. Lame. Well, it looks cool when it's not all pixilated.
Here's what a Remington aac sd looks like in a manners mini chassis
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/12/0477540175edf1c2b5b4642d1f143004.jpg
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Dist. Expert 26
06-15-15, 19:51
I picked up a McRees Precision tactical stock about 4 months ago and I'm very happy with it so far. My groups are more consistent, the folding stock makes carrying the rifle on a ruck much easier and I love having detachable mags. The only criticism I really have is the fact that it didn't come with an integral sling stud to mount a bipod on.
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y316/Alexmx126/Guns/20150326_184220.jpg (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/Alexmx126/media/Guns/20150326_184220.jpg.html)
Dang, I'm really liking those last three. Nice!
xBlack-Watch18
07-31-15, 11:15
Does anyone here have experience/issues/recommend a Remington 700 in one of the Cadex chassis variants?
I didn't read through all of the posts but has Masterpiece Arms been mentioned? I recently put my 700 5r in a MPA chassis and am really liking it! Lots of useful features included, NV rail, rail for bipod, flush cups, monopod, & the new models are folders.
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