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So I have a "friend" really a guy I used to hang out with, but haven't seen for years, as he lives in Australia.
He posts a lot of Anti-Gun, even anti America type stuff from time to time.
Occasionally I decide to involve myself in it.
Today he posts this (pic below) sarcastic comment about "protecting families"... it's under my skin a bit...
How would you respond?
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Do they even have liberty in Australia?
Or just respond, "Bro, do you even liberty"?
How would you respond?
I would "unfriend" him. He doesn't seem like much of a friend.
He's not used to having freedom, the Crown has taken almost all of it away from them in the name of "safety".
You could always propose a scenario where "a crazy marauding gun toting AMERICAN shows up and attacks his family."
brickboy240
02-19-15, 16:10
Aussies are a lot like Brits in the fact that they have had a lifetime of their peers telling them that guns are bad and America is bad. It is ingrained into their psyche.
Also, these groups have some very bizarre views of self defense, guns and crime and punishment. It is as if they live in some sort of parallel universe.
Best to not discuss those subjects with them unless you dig having your brain hurt. LOL
Maybe he could get a member of ISIS to live with him, you know, to spread peace.
I would "unfriend" him. He doesn't seem like much of a friend.
Ding ding ding.
Unfriend him and ignore him. Problem solved.
Only God can reclaim the mind of a fool.
So I have a "friend" really a guy I used to hang out with, but haven't seen for years, as he lives in Australia.
He posts a lot of Anti-Gun, even anti America type stuff from time to time.
Occasionally I decide to involve myself in it.
Today he posts this (pic below) sarcastic comment about "protecting families"... it's under my skin a bit...
How would you respond?
Would depend on how good a friend. I'd likely say nothing and simply unfriend him. I tend to make like minded people as FB "friends" and or I don't tend to shove my personal beliefs down the throats of my "friends" in such a manner as he did/does.
Simple tell him that is the difference between the two of you.....WE fought anf earned our freedom and they don't even know what it is.
I also like like the idea of unfriending him....that is the most simplistic solution.
Simple tell him that is the difference between the two of you.....WE fought anf earned our freedom and they don't even know what it is.
I also like like the idea of unfriending him....that is the most simplistic solution.
Do that first. And then unfriend him. May as well have some fun with it.
TriviaMonster
02-19-15, 20:01
Like there aren't already enough ways to die in Austrailia. Poison everything...crocs, assorted jellyfish, the deserts. Enjoy your "safety".
7.62WildBill
02-19-15, 21:08
I'm on my IPad so I'm not going to look for the links, but search the Australian Institute of Criminology's website. Since banning most firearms in Australia, the homicde rate had been unchanged and homicide by firearms have only been reduced by 6%. Basically, not many people were murdered in Australia before they banned guns, and not many people are being murdered now. Other types of violent crimes have become more common.
Don't unfriend him, educate him.
Hopefully he stays there and hopefully he doesn't bother to to send in absentie ballots.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-19-15, 21:53
I wonder what the 80 women that were raped would say about being disarmed.
Leaveammoforme
02-19-15, 22:14
Delete
MountainRaven
02-19-15, 22:18
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me."
-Robert Heinlein
I feel like we live in enough of an echo chamber as it is, what with all the forums and news media specially formulated to whatever our slant on a particular issue is. I want my friends on Facebook to be diverse so that I can hear from the other side on everything they feel is worth posting... and so the other side can hear from me on everything that I feel is worth posting. That's not to say that I don't have my own echo chamber on FB, but it's something that I can use when I want to, not something that I use all or even most of the time.
So my opinion? Remain calm and educate this friend.
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me."
-Robert Heinlein
I feel like we live in enough of an echo chamber as it is, what with all the forums and news media specially formulated to whatever our slant on a particular issue is. I want my friends on Facebook to be diverse so that I can hear from the other side on everything they feel is worth posting... and so the other side can hear from me on everything that I feel is worth posting. That's not to say that I don't have my own echo chamber on FB, but it's something that I can use when I want to, not something that I use all or even most of the time.
So my opinion? Remain calm and educate this friend.
As much as I respect Heinlein, there are many, many issues where I really don't need to consider the other point of view to form a complete and correct opinion. Examples of this are:
Child rape: I really don't need a long discourse with a NAMBLA representative.
ISIS / Islamic terrorism: Again, I don't need a comprehensive lesson on Wahhabi and I don't need to understand their motivations.
My Rights. This includes freedom of speech, expression, religion / beliefs and personal defense and the use of weapons to defend myself and those I'm responsible for. And there really is no discussion.
There is not a single thing a person can say, do or think that should have any bearing or impact on my personal rights. And if a person cannot respect something as fundamental as my right to defend myself and those I am responsible for, they aren't a friend and I have nothing to say to such a person. I also don't feel it is my job to educate them so they understand my position, why is it not their job to learn to respect my rights in the first place.
Australians could still appeal court decisions to the U.K until the 1980s.
/stokesthefire
But....that accent doe.
How would you respond?
The internet is much more tolerable when you stay away from politics and social issues. Pour a beverage, grab a cookie, and click another link.
"I never learned from a man who agreed with me."
-Robert Heinlein
I feel like we live in enough of an echo chamber as it is, what with all the forums and news media specially formulated to whatever our slant on a particular issue is. I want my friends on Facebook to be diverse so that I can hear from the other side on everything they feel is worth posting... and so the other side can hear from me on everything that I feel is worth posting. That's not to say that I don't have my own echo chamber on FB, but it's something that I can use when I want to, not something that I use all or even most of the time.
So my opinion? Remain calm and educate this friend.
Agreed. I grew up in a very liberal college town and as a result, I'm friends with several folks from my youth that are flaming socialists. For the most part I'm the only person they know personally that has served in Iraq/A-Stan and am one of the few people they know that is a constitution loving NRA member. Respectfully injecting my contrarian view point into their hippy "I hate guns, the NRA etc." FB conversations does seem to a long way toward breaking some of their stereotypes about "crazy" gun owners. At the same time, they remind me that tree huggers that never miss a good protest are people too.
Incidentally, as soon as it thaws-out here, I'm taking one of my liberal friends to the range to go shooting for the first time.
Crow Hunter
02-20-15, 11:45
So I have a "friend" really a guy I used to hang out with, but haven't seen for years, as he lives in Australia.
He posts a lot of Anti-Gun, even anti America type stuff from time to time.
Occasionally I decide to involve myself in it.
Today he posts this (pic below) sarcastic comment about "protecting families"... it's under my skin a bit...
How would you respond?
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8627/16583177672_8d717f920e_c.jpg
Post this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Beaches
2011 Australian census found the Northern Beaches to be the most White and mono-ethnic district in Australia, contrasting with its more-diverse neighbours: the North Shore and the Central Coast.
Contrast that with a city in the US that is also ethnically homogenous in an affluent area that also does not ban guns and ask:
Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
That should make him squirm.
Moose-Knuckle
02-20-15, 23:34
I would "unfriend" him. He doesn't seem like much of a friend.
This all day long as I possess neither the time or the inclination to right fools.
I just don't do Facebook. The few I call "true" friends I call, text, or talk face to face. As already mentioned doesn't sound like a true friend.
Got a couple friends like that. Including an "over poster" or two. I just made them their own section in FB and assigned them to it so I don't have to look at their junk all the time.
RIDE, simply tell him that his own arguement would state that he keep his family away from America, along with their ideas.
How about some facts?
From http://www.gunfacts.info/ page 60:
Myth: Gun control in Australia is curbing crime
Fact: Crime has been rising since enacting a sweeping ban on private gun ownership.
In the first two years after Australian gun-owners were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms,
government statistics showed a dramatic increase in criminal activity.
In 2001-2002, homicides were up another 20%.
From the inception of firearm confiscation to March 27, 2000, the numbers are:
• Firearm-related murders were up 19%
• Armed robberies were up 69%
• Home invasions were up 21%
The sad part is that in the 15 years before the national gun confiscation:
• Firearm-related homicides dropped nearly 66%
• Firearm-related deaths fell 50%
Fact: Gun crimes have been rising throughout Australia since guns were banned.
In Sydney alone, robbery rates with guns rose 160% in 2001, more in the previous year.
Fact: A ten year Australian study has concluded that firearm confiscation had no effect on crime rates.
A separate report also concluded that Australia’s 1996 gun control laws “found [no] evidence for an impact of the laws on the pre-existing decline in firearm
homicides" and yet another report from Australia for a similar time period indicates the same lack of decline in firearm homicides.
Fact: Despite having much stricter gun control than New Zealand (including a near ban on handguns) firearm homicides in both countries track one another over 25 years, indicating that gun control is not a control variable.
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