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mat10x
07-06-08, 22:07
thinking of getting a noveske recce, not sure which flash hider to get. any opinions on these two? saw some pix on here of them...they seem to work about the same.

thx.

Stickman
07-07-08, 10:31
My vortex sits on a shelf, my AAC FS are on weapons. Its not a decision I would lose sleep over, both will work better than most other FS on the market.

jdp710
07-07-08, 13:29
I love my aac on my n4 basic. Looks and functional are top notch. I hate saying this because I'm not that kind of guy but I'd just choose based on what you think looks better.

BAC
07-07-08, 17:36
Does anyone have a picture of them side by side, or have information on how long each of these flash hiders are? I can't get a length estimate by looking. :o


-B

RadioActivity
07-07-08, 19:25
AAC? I think that as far as flash hiders are concerned they have an excellent product...


Edited to remove off topic discussions about the AAC. Stick to the topic.

Staff

Stickman
07-07-08, 20:17
Does anyone have a picture of them side by side, or have information on how long each of these flash hiders are? I can't get a length estimate by looking. :o


-B


I'll take one the next time I'm shooting pictures if I remember.

karmapolice
07-07-08, 22:38
The AAC flash hider is great, the actual length I can find out for you if stickman doesn’t get to it first. I will just have to remember to take some measurements.

Here is a good comparison image of the different flashes


picutre courtsey of AAC

http://www.aacblog.com/wp-content/uploads/ntoa_double-page_ad.jpg

Hawkeye
07-08-08, 05:45
I'm happy with my Blackout. I need to do some real "dark" low light shooting with it though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/OpBlackout4.jpg

Mung
07-08-08, 09:16
Stay on topic.

Staff

karmapolice
07-08-08, 18:14
I still need to get some measurements of length for you, I only have access to the M4-200 blackout hider right now and then my own SPR/M4 to measure.

BAC
07-08-08, 22:19
I'll take one the next time I'm shooting pictures if I remember.

It'd be much appreciated man. Actually, I think a comparison shot of the major ones (USGI, Blackout, Phantom, and Vortex) would help a lot of folks out who might see numbers but can't visualize the difference in lengths between one flash hider and another.


-B

Stickman
07-08-08, 23:15
BAC,


If you think that is something people would have an interest in, I can do the same thing I did with various BUIS. Its not something I would have thought much about, but its not a big deal to write it up and shoot the pictures.

BUIS GUIDE (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3058#post3058)

mat10x
07-09-08, 07:46
a comparison of the flash hiders would be great.

stickman, when will the rest of your Adams Arms piston review be up on your site? have a buddy who just bought one. wondering how they address carrier tilt. can't get a hold of anyone there.

Stickman
07-09-08, 14:12
I am unable to do a full review with pictures currently that would show them being fired at night, but I can get up a guide that shows what the different ones look like, and gives lengths.

The Adams Arms review is written, and is sitting back in the Staff section while a few points are clarified. I'm not the one writing it, so I can't give a exact time on its release.

BAC
07-09-08, 15:08
I think it'd be a great idea; whether my opinion mirrors that of the majority of those here and at weaponevolution I don't know, that might be better set up as a poll question. But I'll voice my interest in a review, if not for flash reduction ability (I understand not everyone has cameras to do that) then for size, weight, durability, "ring" (not sure how else to describe the tuning fork sound), ease of mounting suppressors, etc.

Actually, that might be worth a quick poll just to see how much interest there is in that kind of review.


-B

No Bananas
08-13-08, 14:16
I'm wondering what the OALs are on the Blackout and the Vortex

MikeCLeonard
08-13-08, 15:02
I have both and just measured them.

AAC Blackout = 2.5"
Smith Vortex = 2.25"

Should be accurate within a millimeter.

Stickman
08-13-08, 20:58
But I'll voice my interest in a review, if not for flash reduction ability (I understand not everyone has cameras to do that) then for size, weight, durability, "ring" (not sure how else to describe the tuning fork sound), ease of mounting suppressors, etc.

-B



BAC,

I basic guide is up. An actual review based on use will be much more time consuming, but the guide should give some basic info, as well as any information that the manufacturer provides, as well as large pictures.



WEVO Flash Suppressor Guide Link (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3867#post3867)




http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WeaponEvolution.com/IMG_7494%201028%20WEVO.jpg

BAC
08-14-08, 01:51
Stickman, you're all kinds of awesome. Thank you for that.

Looks like the AAC is a little bit shorter than the Vortex and a hair shorter than the Phantom (not sure why I find that interesting, but I do). I assume the measured length is from the very base? If not, is it measured from the first "ridge"? Mike's numbers are making me think so.


-B

No Bananas
08-14-08, 10:56
Stickman, you're all kinds of awesome. Thank you for that.

-B

+1 Thanks:D

biodegraded
08-14-08, 13:57
+2; picture worth X words, etc. One looks like it was designed by a Klingon...

MikeCLeonard
08-14-08, 15:47
Sorry guys, My AAC Blackout is the suppressor mount version...not like what Stickman shows.

The one that allows attachment of their M4-2000 suppressor is longer

Stickman
08-17-08, 12:41
Sorry guys, My AAC Blackout is the suppressor mount version...not like what Stickman shows.

The one that allows attachment of their M4-2000 suppressor is longer


The can versions are certainly longer.



M4-2000 mount

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7875%201028%20Stick.jpg






M4/SPR mount

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7873%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
08-17-08, 14:17
Last but not least, you could always run this mount on an AAC M4-1000 or SCAR-L can, though its obviously not the blackout design.



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WeaponEvolution.com/IMG_6748%201028%20WEVO.jpg

rsilvers
10-08-08, 22:40
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=26609&st=blackout&s=

The non-silencer BLACKOUT is at Brownells now.

H2O MAN
10-09-08, 07:04
I prefer the DC Vortex.

http://www.athenswater.com/images/SEI-FEI.30calcan.jpg

nsabjg
10-09-08, 18:32
I have the Vortex on a LMT 14.5 upper. Its ok, I like the standard A2 more.

marylandsniper
10-10-08, 00:20
I have the vortex on my 14.5 and took one overseas on my issued weapon. IMO, if you do not have a sound supressor than a vortex is the next best thing for reducing your muzzle signature from being identified. 45.00 (vortex) or 1,000 (Supressor).

The Blackout is also very nice, nothing wrong with it my any means. I have one on one of my personal AR's, but I am more confident with the smith vortex.

BoyScout4Life
09-22-12, 10:27
Thanks for post, I.am going to order one today. Tired of flash when using my pvs/14.

ALCOAR
09-22-12, 10:57
Nothing short of EPIC necro post...you sir dug deep! :)

RyanB
09-22-12, 11:17
The Blackout is probably an ounce lighter than a Vortex and with Peltors on I can't hear it ring. The Vortex rings badly.

Duffy
09-22-12, 11:31
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/muzzledevicecompwithweight.jpg

They both will produce a tuning fork sound, audible with electronic hearing protection and in recordings. If the prongs were shorter, the ringing would probably be less, but flash suppression capability would probably degrade as well, I'm sure they did not arrive at the length by accident. Not all open prong designs produce the sound, the old duck bill 3 prong, the HK 4 prong, the Steyer FAL 4 prongs all produce either little or no ringing.

KalashniKEV
09-22-12, 19:06
I have USGI, AAC Blackout, and Vortex muzzle devices.

I prefer the Vortex and might swap out the AACs if I go HALO.