124gr.9mm load...

[texasgunhand]

What are you guys loading for a hornaday 124gr fmj in 9mm?

My speer book only has it flying at about 920 fps using win 231. Seems kinda slow,but iam used to shooting 115 gr fmj,their a little faster

Does anybody know what speed American eagle 124gr. Fmj is flying at? Or cheap target federal?

[vicious_cb]

What are you guys loading for a hornaday 124gr fmj in 9mm?

My speer book only has it flying at about 920 fps using win 231. Seems kinda slow,but iam used to shooting 115 gr fmj,their a little faster

Does anybody know what speed American eagle 124gr. Fmj is flying at? Or cheap target federal?

With what powder charge? What OAL? You post 920fps but with no data.

[masan]

Same bullet weight, different manufacturer.

124gr Montana Gold CMJ
CCI #400 Small Rifle Primer
5.0gr Vihtavuori N340
1.144 OAL (Glock 17)

1109.7 Avg FPS (14 fps ES)

With Win 231 a 920 fps velocity would be somewhere around 4.0? grains of powder, a mid pressure load as 4.6 seems to be max (according to the Nosler book). Seems like a good place to work from if you are making blasting ammo, just work up slow and watch for pressure signs.

[texasgunhand]

Iam asking what powder you guys are useing,iam trying to stay in the medium category since iam shooting outa a glock also. Some powders seem to give the glock bulge better than others,i think the faster ones.

Just i thought it should be flying at least 1000 to 1100 fps, if i were loading 115 gr. it would be the books say. The hornady manual doesnt even list win 231 in the 124gr. bullet. Maybe i should buy a different powder and leave the 231 for.45?

[Onyx Z]

I use CFE Pistol and Bullseye for Berry's 124gr HBRN, but I prefer the CFE. Seems to burn a little cleaner.

[Gunnar da Wolf]

Have you looked at Hodgdon's website?

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

It's a "One Stop Shop" since they list Winchester, Hodgdon and IMR powders these days.

[vicious_cb]

Iam asking what powder you guys are useing,iam trying to stay in the medium category since iam shooting outa a glock also. Some powders seem to give the glock bulge better than others,i think the faster ones.

Just i thought it should be flying at least 1000 to 1100 fps, if i were loading 115 gr. it would be the books say. The hornady manual doesnt even list win 231 in the 124gr. bullet. Maybe i should buy a different powder and leave the 231 for.45?

Theres plenty of load data for win 231 for 9mm out there. Also win 231 is also the same powder as HP-38 so you can use the data interchangeably. I can push a 124gr with 4.6gr 231 1.155" OAL at ~1100fps without any pressure signs easily.

[texasgunhand]

Ok thanks guys i was trying to stay in the 1.150 COL area...

The speer 14 manual has win 231 listed for a 124 gr. FMJ..

Start..4.0gr....max.4.5 gr..At 1.135 COAL. At 887 fps for start load...and 998 fps for max load...Seems kinda slow at that OAL from just reading about it.

The 115gr fmj with a 1.125 COAL and 4.4 start..and 4.9 max charge with win231 is start charge of 1026 fps and a max charge at 1133 fp. Both from speer manual #14

For some reason i thought just about any store bought 115gr fmj outa a 9mm was flying at 1200 fps or right around there..so i figured the 124gr round was around 1100 fps.. I guess i was wrong???

Also are you firing out of a glock???

None of my books..speer 14,,hornady. 9th edition or the website are even close to each other the website max charge was off the charts for the books and in all 3 things the fps are different.. Iam confused now how can you have 1.130 oal slower than 1.150 oal?? I thought the shorter the oal the more pressure,so it seems it should be faster..iam lost again..

[masan]

First thing, Win 231 is great powder for the 9mm, don't get discouraged.

Every manufacturer will publish different data. Nosler lists a 3.6 gr start load with a 4.6 gr max using Win 231 and 124 gr bullets. Hodgon lists a 4.8 gr max with Win 231 and 124 gr bullets. This is because they all test in different conditions which result in different data.

Max loads are determined when pressure signs appear during testing, but things like heat, humidity, and elevation can change the burn characteristics of powder, so a load that showed signs of pressure for Speer would be listed as max, but that same load may not show signs for Hodgon or Hornady.

Same goes for your COAL, most manufacturers will list the COAL they used in their testing, but the actual COAL will be determined by your mags and the bullet you are using (SAAMI MAX COAL is 1.169)

1200 fps is doable for 115gr bullets with certain powders, so no, you are not wrong.

FWIW 95% of my 9mm loads are used in Glocks, the one I put up earlier in this thread is the one that gives the best performance out of my guns.

So don't let yourself be overwhelmed by all of the data out there. It is good that you have multiple load manuals, it gives you lots of references to work with. Ultimately, if you stick to the 10% rule (reduce any load you want to try by 10% and work up from there) you will be fine.

So if you take (for example) the Hodgon 4.8 gr max load for Win 231 and 124gr bullets, reduce by 10% to get a start load of 4.32 (round down to 4.3) then work up from there until you get the results you want.

I hope this helps!

Edit* I saw you mentioned the "Glock Bulge". It used to be an issue with the .40 SW, the chamber has since been redesigned and I can say from personal experience of shooting thousands of HOT loads (USPSA Major PF) that I have yet to get a bulged .40. As for 9mm, it is a non issue (unless you load super hot).

[nova3930]

I've pushed a 124gr fmj close to 1100 with accurate #7. Something like 7.3gr iirc.

[jmoney]

I use 124r Montana Gold JHP, 4.0 titegroup winchester small pistol primer at al 1.15. I have probably shot well over 10k of this load, its my favorite.

[masan]

Isn't Montana Gold the bomb?!

[jmoney]

Isn't Montana Gold the bomb?!

oh yeah. Its all I use now. Every order is flawless.

[Tinn-Can]

4.9 grains 7625 under an extreme 124 grain plated... No more 7625 though...

[Sparky5019]

Depends on your application. I'm getting around 1000fps from a Black Bullets ain't 125gr TC over 4.0gr of WST. Nice load.

[FloridaWoodsman]

Using a similar 124gr bullet, my formula was 4.9gr of Hodgdon Universal, OAL of 1.125, Federal Match primers.
Fired out of a 3.5" barrel, speed averaged 1165 fps. To keep it from hovering around the speed of sound, I think I'll reduce the load just a bit the next time around.
It had no trouble penetrating 12" of wet newspaper, which is denser than ballistic gel.

[texasgunhand]

Thanks for the info that helps alot..I couldnt figure out why there were so many differences in max load.
Thanks peoples.