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What's the difference between the Recce and the SPR?
I've got 2 14.5" AR's with the perm flash suppressor & want something a bit bigger with longer range without going to a 20" barrel AR15A2 style rifle.
the_accuser
07-10-08, 12:28
Recce has 16" barrel while SPR has 18" barrel.
The SPR also has a stainless barel which should give you better accuracy at longer range as compared to the Recce. The Recce is chrome lined (which generally hurts accuracy but improves durability of the barrel). The Recce is giving 1 MOA at 100 yards from reports though. Do you need more than that?
It also looks like the 18" SPR is only available with the VIS which will give you a great platform for mounting magnified optics.
The SPR or MK12 mod0 and mod1 are mainly defined by the 18" SPR contour barrel. There have been some write ups and alot of exact clones made of them so I won't get into the exact stats of them but will tell you My Opinion on the idea behind them. The Recce originally had a 16" Krieger barrel with carbine length gas system and a wylde chamber IIRC. The concept was a rifle for snipers that in a pinch could use the same ammo as everyone else and was more manuverable and could be used in a variety of roles,it actually pre-dates the SPR. What defines it is a 16" match grade barrel free floated and with optics, pretty simple. Most of what are considered Recces today have a mid length gas system(and rightfully so IMO) other than that since it was never M typed and is just a concept it is pretty open to interpretation.
The SPR story is told herehttp://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=134&t=141410
Many have taken to the SPR concept and there are many variations of them now, but basically a 18" match barrel makes it fall into the SPR catagory.
on the 18" SPR, why is a carbine length gas tube used? i thought mid length or rifle length gas tubes were better for longer barrels...? i was under the impression that 14.5" used carbine length gas tubes and 16" and above were ideal with mid length.
new to ARs, trying to better understand the carbine vs middy debate in relation to barrel length.
The Archangel
07-11-08, 11:00
on the 18" SPR, why is a carbine length gas tube used? i thought mid length or rifle length gas tubes were better for longer barrels...? i was under the impression that 14.5" used carbine length gas tubes and 16" and above were ideal with mid length.
new to ARs, trying to better understand the carbine vs middy debate in relation to barrel length.
It's not. The orginal Mk12 Mod0/1's use the rifle-length gas tubes. Aftermarket manufacturers offer the choice for rifle or mid-length tubes for the 18" SPR systems.
ahh i see. is there an ideal gas tube length in a 16" barrel, mid length or carbine? does it really matter? read that mid length has lower gas pressure and slightly higher velocity with mid length.
i was set on an LMT, then started reading about mid length so i'm debating on a noveske recce basic 16" or standard LMT 16".
My take has been is you need more than a Recce rifle, then you need more than 5.56mm.
My recce rifle came out of a KAC prototype I was shown when visiting pre 911.
Douglas barrel with SPR contour (albiet a 16" midlength gas) and Wylde chamber.
circa 2004
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Army%20stuff/RAVnStuff012.jpg
to its current rendition
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Iraq/Iraqagain018.jpg
20 and 18" guns
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Army%20stuff/IMG_3472.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/Army%20stuff/010.jpg
Depending on what you want a Mk12 Mod1 guns with OPSINC can may be ideal -- however the 16" gun is pretty sweet and what I consider the perfect General Purpose rifle.
yeah i'd say i'm looking for a general purpose AR. range/defense, maybe 3 gun if i can find the time, and SHTF.
are the noveske barrels worth the extra $$? saw a thread on AR15.com that cold hammer forged barrels are more durable but not necessarily more accurate. they were debating if CHF barrels are really that much better than non hammer forged. i thought i read that LWRC and HK416 are CHF barrels as well.
almost too much info to digest for an AR novice. glad there is a site like this.
CHF barrels are good - but they are not a SS match barrel.
Novekse are nice - but not anything specifically better in my experience than Douglas, Llija or Krieger.
For GP AR than does not need extra precision I would not bother with a SS barrel unless you want it for wanting sake.
I've been extremely happy with the durability of my Douglas in my recce - but a smaple size of one is not anything I would be recommending a performance baseline off.
i'm pretty sure i don't need a SS barrel. i'm looking for general purpose. was wondering about the pros/cons of CHF barrels vs non CHF.
just curious about the carbine vs middy debate really which lead me to the noveske recce. was set on an LMT until i started reading about middies. sounds like there are some good advantages with a middy system. might want to put on a pistion kit at some point, wondering how that plays into the middy/carbine debate and even if it's really necessary on a semi auto middy or carbine.
So is any 16" midlength gas a recce?
So is any 16" midlength gas a recce?
It could be. RECCE rifles are a more of a concept than a specification. I don't know if Crane is building them or what specs they're building them to.
Thanks for all the great info.
Who makes a quality recce upper???
Noveske Rifleworks (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?cat=48)
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