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Vote and state your reasons pro/con.
Gary1911A1
04-11-15, 19:13
While both are available in 9MM I really don't like the rail on the 229. It's a personal thing more than anything, but I already have holsters for the 228.
The rail and the squared trigger guard are really the big differenced on the receiver, then the slide is a different shape, round vs squared.
Lots of love for the M11A1..
I really should have included the Sig 320 Compact in the poll. I may put up another poll between the winner of this one and the 320.
Kind of depends on the purpose. To me, the M11A1 would be better for CCW and the 229 would be better for HD. The only reason I say that is because of the rail, if you ever wanted to attach a light.
If you're not interested in the rail, M11A1.
Kind of depends on the purpose. To me, the M11A1 would be better for CCW and the 229 would be better for HD. The only reason I say that is because of the rail, if you ever wanted to attach a light.
If you're not interested in the rail, M11A1.
I have a 226R.. and M&P's. This is a, I lived to be 60 yrs old present....
I don't mean to be a prick, but your poll is confusing. First, the M11-A1 is a re-branded P229 without a rail - not a P228. The P228 was discontinued for public sell in the US several years ago. The only P228's being brought into the US now are for the military's M11 contract.
The P228 / M11 is a folded carbon slide constructed pistol. On the other hand, the P229 and M11-A1 use a forged stainless steel slide. The consensus from multiple SME's on PT.com is that the newer stainless slide P229 / M11A1 are more durable than older P228/M11's.
Keep in mind that you are getting a couple of extra features with the M11-A1 over the stock P229. These include a railless frame, SRT, night sights, and phos coated internals. These may or may not be important to you.
If going 9 mm, I'd take the M11A1 due to the SRT.
To be honest, though, as much as I like Sig P226s, I've never cared for the 228/229/M11A1. The 228 was probably my favorite of the 3, but they are not that durable.
The fact that holsters and magazines aren't even close to universal for the 228/229/M11A1 is enough for me to say **** that. The gun is also just a weird size. It's a very little bit smaller than a 226 in a way that makes almost no difference for CCW.
A 226 is really the only classic Sig I've ever liked enough to buy. Is there a reason you're looking at the 229/M11A1 instead of that?
WHile I do have a Sig 226 Dark Elite in 9mm, I had a 228 YEARS ago and sold it to buy my 239. I have had a 229 SAS in 40 S&W and I would have kept it IF it had been a 9mm. I do like the SRT, phosphate internals are what they are, nothing special to me. No Rail is a positive. I also like the classic lines of the slide on the 228. Holsters, would order a 228 specific, not a 228/229 fit all. Rosewood grips are stored away, didn't like the feel of them.
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Just grabbed the 229 yesterday, and can't say that I like it like I remember the old 228. But that could just be time getting in the way.
As it is, I like the rail option. But I'd still scrap the poll for a P226 anyday.
But I'd still scrap the poll for a P226 anyday.
You know, With me owning a 226, why would I want a 228/229?
Maybe I should have polled a Sig 320 compact and an HK VP9?
Maybe I should just get a Colt 1911 Combat Elite from Grant.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=O8011XSE
Let's take a poll, What Say Ye M4C Masses?
Maybe I should have polled a Sig 320 compact and an HK VP9?
Maybe I should just get a Colt 1911 Combat Elite from Grant.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...n&key=O8011XSE
- You have a Sig already and arguably one of, if not the best.
- I'm not a fan of <5" 1911's or I'd say get the 1911, if you don't already have one.
- So, with all of that said, I would give the VP9 a try, as it is a nice pistol.
You know, With me owning a 226, why would I want a 228/229?
Maybe I should have polled a Sig 320 compact and an HK VP9?
Maybe I should just get a Colt 1911 Combat Elite from Grant.
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=O8011XSE
Let's take a poll, What Say Ye M4C Masses?
I think these are all better ideas than a 229. Especially since you own a 226. I'm just not a huge fan of P229s after they started changing frames. Getting some mags that wouldn't fit my old P228 pissed me off, and I just don't see a reason for the change.
VP9 is a great gun, I've never shot a 320 so I can't say how they compare, I doubt you'd be disappointed with the HK.
If you really want an original SIG 228, then that is what you should buy. They pop up on Gunbroker occasionally. I almost bought one, but passed because of the difficulty of finding original SIG 13 round magazines. I ended-up buying an HK USP compact and have no regrets.
That said, if I should happen upon a clean 228 with 2-3 factory magazines I would buy it.
The original SIGs were great pistols.
Something like this:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=477525456
That pistol looks very clean with almost no markings on the barrel hood.
3ACR_Scout
04-13-15, 09:34
While both are available in 9MM I really don't like the rail on the 229.
I'm not sure if this is still the case, but back when I looked into Sig's direct purchase program for military and law enforcement, one of their reps told me that I could special order a P229 without a rail. I had a P228 already and didn't feel the need for a rail. I like the rail on the full-size P226 for HD, but I didn't care for the compact with rail either.
That was probably back in 2007 or so though, so they may have done away with that special order option.
I'd love to have an M11-A1, but the price is a pretty good jump from the $530 I paid for my P228 back in 2003.
Dave
brickboy240
04-13-15, 11:06
Isn't the new M-11 just a non-railed 9mm P229?
Sure seems that way.
The REAL M-11s were sheet metal slide P228s...weren't they?
-brickboy240
I'll take my West German P228 over anything from Cohen.
brickboy240
04-13-15, 11:10
No kidding...I have W. German P225, P228 and P220 and all run like sewing machines. Even the P220 which is known to be a problem child.
Here is my 100% non-Cohen Sig collection. The 226 is the new build, all German 226 with the folded slide that they offered a few years ago. The 220, 225 and 228 are W. German.
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The new M-11A1 is just typical marketing by Sig Exeter. Trying to make believe that it's a real "mil spec" M11, even though it's really just a prettied up 229.
Psalms144.1
04-13-15, 13:22
Of the choices, I opted for the M11A1, but I wouldn't buy either, personally, ESPECIALLY if I had a P226 that was reliable. For me, the P228/9 fills no "need" in the Sig lineup - the grip (hardest part to conceal) is only SLIGHTLY shorter than the 226's grip, and gives up a chunk of capacity (2 rounds with OEM magazines, 3 rounds with flush fit MecGars). I dearly loved my original M11 (folded slide), but the solid slide of the P229 makes the pistol feel "dead" in my hand - no balance to speak of. The P226, on the other hand, with the solid slide balances and "points" very nicely.
This seems like a preference thing, I don't think you could really say one is better or worse than the other.
brickboy240
04-13-15, 15:14
FYI...the 15rd Mec Gar P228 9mm mags run very well.
With the 15 rounders, the P228 comes close to the P226 and many other larger pistols in capacity.
Mec Gar also makes some factory mags for SIG pistols...they are quality mags.
If you want a 228, then buy a W. German/German 228 and not the M11A1 which isn't close to "being used by Naval Aviation units". The only thing 228 about it are the grips. It takes the newer mag that won't even fit into the older 228/229 9mm Sigs. I own 2xW. German 228s and 1x228R(all German) and there is no comparison in terms of quality over newer Sigs. Like what was mentioned before, I won't touch any thing Cohen is throwing out these days especially his Rainbow Brite guns.
IZinterrogator
04-13-15, 23:40
Does a Sig have to be all German to be pre-Cohen? I've been running under the assumption that a Sig marked Sigarms instead of Sig Sauer was pre-Cohen even if the slide was made in the US, am I wrong?
gtmtnbiker98
04-14-15, 07:03
Anything 2004 and prior is considered safe.
I must be very lucky, then. Of the four Sig pistols I bought since 2011 (still own three) with a combined 10,070 rounds through them they’ve had zero failures. My Sig 516 rifle runs great after over 4,000 rounds and two carbine classes under its belt.
YMMV
FYI...the 15rd Mec Gar P228 9mm mags run very well.
With the 15 rounders, the P228 comes close to the P226 and many other larger pistols in capacity.
Mec Gar also makes some factory mags for SIG pistols...they are quality mags.
I run the Mec-Gar 18 round mags in my 226 9mm, flawlessly. Thought about a couple of Mec-Gar 20 rounder for range/training...
Just checked the case my 226 came in, dated 24 June 2010.
Fordtough25
04-14-15, 13:20
I've ran plenty of the Mec gar mags, flawless. I don't have a Sig at the moment but have been longing for A P226 lately, shew!
Bulldog7972
04-16-15, 18:26
Go for it. I doubt you will regret it. I recently dumped my Glocks for a 226. 19 rounds of sweetness. I'm very happy.
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