View Full Version : Trijicon 1-6 Accupoint has arrived
Nicely done..
1-6 with a mil dot reticle
.1 mil adjustments
glass seems improved
very flat image, clear edge to edge
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wpid-20150420_190331-e1429629877418.jpg
I've been waiting for this. I assumed Trijicon would put this in their line eventually. Does it use the same dual illumination tritium/fiber optics? I'm not as big a glass snob as some folks and like the Accupoints for the no battery illumination. For an AR the Accupoints work fine. MSRP? Availability?
EDIT:
http://www.thenewrifleman.com/trijicon-releases-new-accupoint-and-accupower-variables/
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=TR25-C-200090
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?mid=1-6x24
vicious_cb
04-21-15, 20:16
Got any reticle pics?
WOW!
How and Where did you manage to get one of these so fast?!? I didn't think they were shipping yet.
How about a full review?
:p
Trijicon is a site sponsor for us..
I literally just got it in..
I got it in a mount and will take it out this week.
It is the same reticle that has been used in the bigger Accupoints. This glass is better.
Trijicon is a site sponsor for us..
I literally just got it in..
I got it in a mount and will take it out this week.
It is the same reticle that has been used in the bigger Accupoints. This glass is better.
Did they improve on the VCOG with it, or does it perform about the same, optically?
Would like some info in reference to low light, and no light use ability .
Ned Christiansen
04-21-15, 22:47
I'm not a glass guru but for a guy who doesn't actually own any Trijicon glass I've put maybe 3K rounds through guns that were hanging under their various products, from small to large. AR's and bolt guns. My opinion, it surprises me that you don't hear more about how good the glass is. I never took a shine to the chevron reticle but have a pal who manages a fleet of rifles with ACOGs using it and with his long-term experience with the brand and the reticle being positive, I have to think I just never got far enough up the learning curve with it.
Their stuff takes knocks well, too.
And, they are from the great state of Michigan!
I've been happy with my TR24R, I like the triangle post. With a 1-6x I will probably pick a different reticle, but we'll see. Trijicon has good customer service too. I'm pretty excited about this.
How visible is the illuminated dot during the day time? I was looking at the dimensional drawings and it looks like it is 0.18 mils on 1x? Aimpoints have a 2 MOA dot is memory serves. My math leads to a deduction of 0.6 mils on 1x for the Accupoint? Seems very small to be daylight visible.
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Nice! I'm looking at options to replace the ACOG on my SCAR, and this just bumped to the top of the list. Let us know what you think about this, please.
Tagged for reticle pics. Cmon OP! Lol
Ned Christiansen
04-22-15, 10:30
I have an Accupoint 5-20 at the moment, mil-dot reticle with the green center dot-- I have found it a plus. It sounds very small but is quite visible.
Ready to hit the range on my Wilson Combat 556
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wpid-20150422_1012212.jpg-e1429716757832.jpeg
Call me a hold-out. I jumped on the VCOG wagon, and sold it for a T2 with G33 magnifier and haven't regretted it yet.
cool
glad that is working out for you
cool
glad that is working out for you
Did Trijicon shoe-horn VCOG guts into this optic pretty much, or is it a more refined piece?
it's an Accupoint, same basic tritium and FO setup as before.. same mildot/green dot (center) reticle as like the 3-9 has.
I have spent time on a VCOG, I don't personally care for the reticles and I also prefer 2nd focal plane for LPVs.
I will try to get some good reticle pics. It does seem like the body of the scope pretty much disappears.
it's an Accupoint, same basic tritium and FO setup as before.. same mildot/green dot (center) reticle as like the 3-9 has.
I have spent time on a VCOG, I don't personally care for the reticles and I also prefer 2nd focal plane for LPVs.
I will try to get some good reticle pics. It does seem like the body of the scope pretty much disappears.
I've had horrible experiences with 1-6's when the same company's 1-4's work amazingly.
Nice! I'm looking at options to replace the ACOG on my SCAR, and this just bumped to the top of the list. Let us know what you think about this, please.
16 or 17? Just curious, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of putting it on a 16, but might try it on a 17.
PatrioticDisorder
04-22-15, 12:48
I've had horrible experiences with 1-6's when the same company's 1-4's work amazingly.
Get some time behind a Kahles K16i, you may change your mind about 1-6s.
That is a good one.. I also love my Steiner 1-5
BrigandTwoFour
04-22-15, 13:53
I just picked up one of the fixed 4x Elcan SpecterOS models, and I'm quite happy with it. I'm thinking it may work better on one of my LW 16" uppers, and this new Trijicon 1-6x will be perfect on my 20" musket. Going to be a while, though.
Get some time behind a Kahles K16i, you may change your mind about 1-6s.
I guess the Mod thought I was breaking rules by pointing out that the Trijicon starting out at its stated MSRP will be much less expensive than the Kahles so he deleted my last post. I any case the Kahles competes with the VCOG from a price perspective not the TR25. I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy at least one TR25 based on my experience with the TR24. I'm waiting for reviews and my wife has me on a program right now. Haaaa, I have to sell something to buy something.
16 or 17? Just curious, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of putting it on a 16, but might try it on a 17.
17S. I'm running a TA11E on it now, with 3.5x magnification. The 1-6x AccuPoint would let me take a little more advantage of the .308's power and accuracy.
Read my mind for SCAR 17 use, looking forward to more info and reviews on this optic.
Ready to hit the range on my Wilson Combat 556
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wpid-20150422_1012212.jpg-e1429716757832.jpeg
Any chance you got her out to the range yet???
Mysteryman
04-26-15, 21:20
How visible is the illuminated dot during the day time? I was looking at the dimensional drawings and it looks like it is 0.18 mils on 1x? Aimpoints have a 2 MOA dot is memory serves. My math leads to a deduction of 0.6 mils on 1x for the Accupoint? Seems very small to be daylight visible.
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Your math is off. The subtensions listed on Trijicon's website are at HIGHEST power. The centre illuminated dot is .18 mils at 6x which works out to 1.08 mils at 1x which is 3.6MOA. Little smaller than older Aimpoint's and a bit bigger than the newer ones.
MM
Your math is off. The subtensions listed on Trijicon's website are at HIGHEST power. The centre illuminated dot is .18 mils at 6x which works out to 1.08 mils at 1x which is 3.6MOA. Little smaller than older Aimpoint's and a bit bigger than the newer ones.
MM
Thank you. I knew I had something off. Can't wait to look through one of these.
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Going out tomorrow morning, will try and get some reticle pics.
Going out tomorrow morning, will try and get some reticle pics.
Any updates???
What happened...did I miss something? Anyone?
I owned a VCOG and sold it very quickly thereafter. I love the TR24, but the reticles turned me off. The extra 2x is very appealing to me for 3 gun and predator hunting.
It is a nice scope, ran it on my 556 and 6.8
do you have any specific questions?
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/wpid-20150520_201105-e1432239470939.jpg
The Trijicon rep for our area just did a demo day on our range on Saturday. Among the various optics, he had the new Accupoint 1-6. I was really impressed with the little bit I was able to handle and use it. Granted I only got to shoot in indoors at 25 yards, but I think this will be the next magnified optic I buy.
It is a nice scope, ran it on my 556 and 6.8
do you have any specific questions?
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/wpid-20150520_201105-e1432239470939.jpg
Tell us about the reticle you have, what you think about the illumination and the glass. Any disappointments? Reticle pics? Thanks in advance.
I have a TR24R which I really like for what I use it for, especially the fact that it is battery free. I also prefer covered turrets for low magnification scopes. Trijicon is kind of the KISS scope for me.
I think the glass is decidedly better than previous Accupoints.
I ran it on a 3 gun rifle at the range and my 6.8 out hog hunting at dusk before switching to thermal.
This is the mildot reticle
25 yard full size IPSC at 1X
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/trijicon-accupoint-1-6-mildot-25-yard-target-reticle-view-e1432686503794.jpg
How about no light use, and use with a light indoors?
I'm leaning toward green triangle post. It would be my first time using anything like this, other than chevron on TA31RCO. I'm hoping I can make it work for me to 300 yards.
BrigandTwoFour
05-26-15, 23:07
I'm leaning toward green triangle post. It would be my first time using anything like this, other than chevron on TA31RCO. I'm hoping I can make it work for me to 300 yards.
I have the TR24 (the 1-4x model) with the triangle post. It works OK for 300 yards if you pick the right zero. The reticle works best (for me) up to about 200-250. With 6x at the top, it should be a bit better.
The triangle reticle is a love/hate thing..
I have tried it several times but I just don't shoot it well personally.
BrigandTwoFour
05-27-15, 11:18
The triangle reticle is a love/hate thing..
I have tried it several times but I just don't shoot it well personally.
I think it comes down to preferred use. If you think the optic will spend most time at the low end and will primarily be used for speedy shots on relatively close targets, it's great. But if you're looking for a bit more precision at targets that are farther away, then you're probably better served by a different design. As my own shooting style evolved from 2 gun to mid range, so did my scope choice from TR24G to a 2.5-10x32 FFP.
So the real question does this scope out perform the razor hd?
The triangle reticle is a love/hate thing..
I have tried it several times but I just don't shoot it well personally.
Thanks for the info. I may give it a shot because if I don't I will always wonder. I have several other nice scopes with conventional reticles, but nothing like this.
I think it comes down to preferred use. If you think the optic will spend most time at the low end and will primarily be used for speedy shots on relatively close targets, it's great. But if you're looking for a bit more precision at targets that are farther away, then you're probably better served by a different design. As my own shooting style evolved from 2 gun to mid range, so did my scope choice from TR24G to a 2.5-10x32 FFP.
I could shoot it very accurately with the tip, my issue was more running at 1x in 3 gun and wanting to hit plates at say 100 yards..
But you have guys like Tarn Butler running it extremely well.
So the real question does this scope out perform the razor hd?
From the reticle pic posted back on page 4, the optics look quite good; no visible fisheye, pincushion, etc and the color appeared fairly true. It looks slightly green/yellow shifted but that might be an illusion and it's hard to tell w/o a picture of the same scene minus the view through the scope. Of course, the pic is at 1x so the optic better be distortion free or there are big problems.
It would be great if someone like BigJimFish reviewed one of these to get a direct comparison to the other scopes he reviewed. Most of his reviews were 2013-ish, but at least everything is presented from a consistent viewpoint. Nothing against the Op, but I would like to hear from someone who can make a direct comparison to similar optics (Razor HD2, Mk6, SMRS 1-6.5, K16i, etc.).
I'm thinking of picking up a 1-6 scope soon and had settled on a mk6 w/ 5.56 CMR-W unless I found a K16i for a steal. This scope sounds like a performer and the price is a big factor compared a mk6/K16i (If you know where to look you can find these for < $1150). It's not much cheaper than a razor hd2 although it is 6 oz lighter, which is the weight of (2) T1's!
http://tacticalgunreview.com/kahles-k16i-1-6-review/
OP has done plenty reviews. Check out that site for more.
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I think it comes down to preferred use. If you think the optic will spend most time at the low end and will primarily be used for speedy shots on relatively close targets, it's great. But if you're looking for a bit more precision at targets that are farther away, then you're probably better served by a different design....
This is my thinking exactly. For the TR24 I use the red triangle and love it for it's ability to act as a very fast red dot type pointing solution (BTW the TR24R has a very generous eye box on 1X) to a 4x for target identification. True, the triangle is not a precision reticle, but I'm happy to give up some precision for the type of shooting I do.
From the reticle pic posted back on page 4, the optics look quite good; no visible fisheye, pincushion, etc and the color appeared fairly true. It looks slightly green/yellow shifted but that might be an illusion and it's hard to tell w/o a picture of the same scene minus the view through the scope. Of course, the pic is at 1x so the optic better be distortion free or there are big problems.
It would be great if someone like BigJimFish reviewed one of these to get a direct comparison to the other scopes he reviewed. Most of his reviews were 2013-ish, but at least everything is presented from a consistent viewpoint. Nothing against the Op, but I would like to hear from someone who can make a direct comparison to similar optics (Razor HD2, Mk6, SMRS 1-6.5, K16i, etc.).
I'm thinking of picking up a 1-6 scope soon and had settled on a mk6 w/ 5.56 CMR-W unless I found a K16i for a steal. This scope sounds like a performer and the price is a big factor compared a mk6/K16i (If you know where to look you can find these for < $1150). It's not much cheaper than a razor hd2 although it is 6 oz lighter, which is the weight of (2) T1's!
I agree, I would have purchase a Vortex HD, but the weight is ridiculous. I like the Trijicons but then I'm not a glass snob, overall functionality is my main concern. The glass is typically functionally very good for my purposes, and again no battery and no electronics are a big plus.
I'm not using it for competition, so I don't need a Kahles. If I were I would be in the market to pay Kahles prices.
I think the glass is decidedly better than previous Accupoints.
I ran it on a 3 gun rifle at the range and my 6.8 out hog hunting at dusk before switching to thermal.
This is the mildot reticle
25 yard full size IPSC at 1X
http://tacticalgunreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/trijicon-accupoint-1-6-mildot-25-yard-target-reticle-view-e1432686503794.jpg
Thanks for the link. I think this might be a decent reticle, but I would have to think hard on whether or not I want to give up the very fast triangle. I guess I'll have to play with one to figure it out.
Highly interested in this Scope... 1-6x, SFP, Mildot w/ Green Center Dot, Capped Turrets w/ MIL Adjustments, Tritium & Fiber Optic Illum., allegedly Stellar Glass & Good 1x View (lack of distortion and actually appearing true 1x). Sounds good on paper, for me atleast.
Highly interested in this Scope... 1-6x, SFP, Mildot w/ Green Center Dot, Capped Turrets w/ MIL Adjustments, Tritium & Fiber Optic Illum., allegedly Stellar Glass & Good 1x View (lack of distortion and actually appearing true 1x). Sounds good on paper, for me atleast.
AGREED
ClearedHot
06-03-15, 10:24
I wonder if they will offer a Horseshoe reticle with this scope. The ACOG's have much better reticle offerings than the Accupoint lineup.
I wonder if they will offer a Horseshoe reticle with this scope. The ACOG's have much better reticle offerings than the Accupoint lineup.
100% agree. The horseshoe reticule is the exact reason why I've swung back to looking at a VCOG.
I just talked to my dealer and he is having an Accupower 1-4 drop shipped to me. It should be here by Wednesday or so he said.
I just talked to my dealer and he is having an Accupower 1-4 drop shipped to me. It should be here by Wednesday or so he said.
Awesome. Take her for a spin and give us a rundown on how it works. This is pretty tempting offering.
Awesome. Take her for a spin and give us a rundown on how it works. This is pretty tempting offering.
I got it for much less than the lowest MAP. I am very excited about this scope since it is almost exactly what I wanted in a variable, though I wish the high end was at 6x instead of 4x, but I believe that a lower high end will be better overall.
... though I wish the high end was at 6x instead of 4x, but I believe that a lower high end will be better overall.
What does that even mean?
What does that even mean?
A 1-4 would be better for various reason than a 1-6. Mainly field of view and being able to track moving targets and reduced weight. Different missions.
A 1-4 would be better for various reason than a 1-6. Mainly field of view and being able to track moving targets and reduced weight. Different missions.
I'll give you the 5 oz. weight difference... the others, not so much. Movers? Both can be turned down to 1x...both can be ran on 4x. Both scopes Exit Pupils are pretty good. Both should have a sufficient enough FOV on any power setting...obviously the situation dictates. Speaking of Movers... try shooting a moving 500y IPSC with a German #4 or a Triangle on Post, versus a Legit Mildot reticle.
I'll give you the 5 oz. weight difference... the others, not so much. Movers? Both can be turned down to 1x...both can be ran on 4x. Both scopes Exit Pupils are pretty good. Both should have a sufficient enough FOV on any power setting...obviously the situation dictates. Speaking of Movers... try shooting a moving 500y IPSC with a German #4 or a Triangle on Post, versus a Legit Mildot reticle.
Yep, you got me. 1-6 is better in every way over a 1-4.
Any updates on the new accupoints? Anyone gets some decent time behind them?
I'd like to know if it's daylight bright, handles shooting in a dark room to outside well, and if the center dot grabs the eye fast on 1x, how big is the dot on 1x. I don't get wrapped around the axle about bdc this or that and actually prefer something more generic and simple so mil dot works for me. My concerns are with the speed up close and how well the Illumination works under sub optimal conditions (shooting position, lighting variables, etc.)
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I'd like to know if it's daylight bright, handles shooting in a dark room to outside well, and if the center dot grabs the eye fast on 1x, how big is the dot on 1x. I don't get wrapped around the axle about bdc this or that and actually prefer something more generic and simple so mil dot works for me. My concerns are with the speed up close and how well the Illumination works under sub optimal conditions (shooting position, lighting variables, etc.)
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+1. Where's the reviews at ????
Just got mine in the mail. I have to leave here soon for work, but I will leave you with two pictures. 1-4x24 segmented circle, red. Quick review, true 1x, reticle is barely visible at setting 11 in bright sunlight (picture shows darker than it really is), and magnification ring has same eye relief from 1x to 4x just as advertised (At least it felt the same). It doesn't feel overly light or heavy, mag ring moves smoothly, but is stiff enough where it won't get bumped accidentally. I still need to mount and shoot with it. I am probably going to stick it on my SBR.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tWHx8Uipk-E/VXils2J-dkI/AAAAAAAADho/afq0EVHWn_4/w1036-h583-no/20150610_140131.jpg
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Doc Safari
06-10-15, 16:37
...reticle is barely visible at setting 11 in bright sunlight (picture shows darker than it really is...
Well, you just saved me some money. I won't be ordering one.
So a fiber optic powered reticle doesn't light up when not exposed to any light? Tritium can only do so much. Nature of the beast.
Sorry, wrong thread. I thought this was the accupower one. I have the battery powered version.
vicious_cb
07-07-15, 11:02
Since this is now an accupoint/accupower thread, has anyone heard about the 75/77gr BDC segmented reticle coming for the accupower. They only have the 55gr BDC reticle available atm and Im not a big fan of a crosshair reticle on a low power optic that has to pull double duty as a 1x reflex optic as well.
This will be my first variable power optic. Any suggestions on reticle selection?
It will be going on a 16" middy. Maybe a RECCE set-up...
Torn between this and the Razor HD 1-6 Gen II...
Torn between this and the Razor HD 1-6 Gen II...
Imo trijicon has nothing on par with the razor Gen 2. I'd either get that or step up to a Kahles
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 08:23
1-4 or even 1-6 in FFP in my opinion are useless on 1x unless the brightness settings are aimpoint bright. SFP in these optics are a whole lot more user friendly. Also consider the Bushnell Elite Tactical 1-6.5 with BTR-2 in SFP. I like this optic better then the Razor Gen II and can be found in the 900+ range on sale.
WS6.. have you had any time on the USO SR-8C 1-8x. Ordered one and should be here on Monday, but curious if you have any time on one compared to optics being discussed here.
1-4 or even 1-6 in FFP in my opinion are useless on 1x unless the brightness settings are aimpoint bright. SFP in these optics are a whole lot more user friendly. Also consider the Bushnell Elite Tactical 1-6.5 with BTR-2 in SFP. I like this optic better then the Razor Gen II and can be found in the 900+ range on sale.
WS6.. have you had any time on the USO SR-8C 1-8x. Ordered one and should be here on Monday, but curious if you have any time on one compared to optics being discussed here.
I have not.
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 09:26
On this rifle, I was ultimately torn between the Accupoint mil dot TR25-C-200095, and the USO SR-8c. While I have not seen much on the Accupoint for reviews, this is effectively why I did not just buy one. Along with the 1-6 vs 1-8x, seeing I already have two 1-6 optics, I'm giving the USO a go. I would love to try out the Accupoint, but would love some more real world data on them. Looking through the Accupoints at the local stores, they seem nice, but Ill hold out for another 6 months til they see some more trigger time.
What other 1-6x are you using...just curious as I'm in th e market...
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 10:25
I have the Razor Hd Gen 2 VRM-2, 2 of the Bushnell Elite tactical 1-6.5 BTR-2 and have had time on the Mark 6 CMR-W but don't currently own the Mark6 any longer. I would have to say the Bushnell is my favorite out of the 3. Reticle photos below in bright daylight. In SFP with the BTR-2. The glass in all 3 I have found to be excellent. The Razor has the VRM-2 and find it to be the least busy out of the 3. I find the bushnell easiest to get on target as it has essentially an Eotech reticle along with the mil hashes. The mark 6 was too busy with the CMR-W. All weighing about the same, 17-19oz that didn't play much of a factor. Eye relief was nice and forgiving in all 3. Bushnell was brighter in day light then the Razor HD Gen 2. Ultimately, I favor the bushnell elite with the BTR-2. I have tried the BTR reticle and also both reticles in FFP. The SFP with BTR-2 is my favorite. The bushnell is .1 mil adjustments vs .2 in the Vortex. I prefer the .1 but I say that as I just bought a USO with .2 :cool:
I bought my Bushnells at 905 shipped each on sale. I bought my Vortex for just under $1300. And the Mark6 2k+
To me, if the color is what your after of the Vortex, go for it. Its a great scope. It doesn't do anything the Bushnell wont or the mark6 for that matter. I ultimately choose the Bushnell elite tactical over the others because the reticle shown below and the cost. Pictures are day light on 1x with power adjusted to max #9 setting. Also 6x. These are the only pics I have at the moment. Ranged the distance at 54 yards if anyone was curious.
Pretty brief overview. Lots I probably left out, but they all are great scopes. Ill put some rounds through my USO when I get it and compare that also.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah294/jwknutson17/Screenshot_2015-07-09-09-17-11_zps1tqxbbvx.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/jwknutson17/media/Screenshot_2015-07-09-09-17-11_zps1tqxbbvx.png.html)
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http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah294/jwknutson17/Screenshot_2015-07-09-07-39-54_zpsxkw1mvmn.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/jwknutson17/media/Screenshot_2015-07-09-07-39-54_zpsxkw1mvmn.png.html)
PatrioticDisorder
07-09-15, 10:32
I have the Razor Hd Gen 2 VRM-2, 2 of the Bushnell Elite tactical 1-6.5 BTR-2 and have had time on the Mark 6 CMR-W but don't currently own the Mark6 any longer. I would have to say the Bushnell is my favorite out of the 3. Reticle photos below in bright daylight. In SFP with the BTR-2. The glass in all 3 I have found to be excellent. The Razor has the VRM-2 and find it to be the least busy out of the 3. I find the bushnell easiest to get on target as it has essentially an Eotech reticle along with the mil hashes. The mark 6 was too busy with the CMR-W. All weighing about the same, 17-19oz that didn't play much of a factor. Eye relief was nice and forgiving in all 3. Bushnell was brighter in day light then the Razor HD Gen 2. Ultimately, I favor the bushnell elite with the BTR-2. I have tried the BTR reticle and also both reticles in FFP. The SFP with BTR-2 is my favorite. The bushnell is .1 mil adjustments vs .2 in the Vortex. I prefer the .1 but I say that as I just bought a USO with .2 :cool:
I bought my Bushnells at 905 shipped each on sale. I bought my Vortex for just under $1300. And the Mark6 2k+
To me, if the color is what your after of the Vortex, go for it. Its a great scope. It doesn't do anything the Bushnell wont or the mark6 for that matter. I ultimately choose the Bushnell elite tactical over the others because the reticle shown below and the cost. Pictures are day light on 1x with power adjusted to max #9 setting. Also 6x. These are the only pics I have at the moment. Ranged the distance at 54 yards if anyone was curious.
Pretty brief overview. Lots I probably left out, but they all are great scopes. Ill put some rounds through my USO when I get it and compare that also.
http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah294/jwknutson17/Screenshot_2015-07-09-09-17-11_zps1tqxbbvx.png (http://s1383.photobucket.com/user/jwknutson17/media/Screenshot_2015-07-09-09-17-11_zps1tqxbbvx.png.html)
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Kinda looks like a budget Kahles K16i 1-6 SM1, looks like a good option.
You can get them used for 600-700 if you poke around. Pretty good deal.
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Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 10:48
Kinda looks like a budget Kahles K16i 1-6 SM1, looks like a good option.
This wasn't always a cheap buy at 2k bucks just a few years ago. But soon as there 1-8.5x came out, the prices dropped considerably. Lot of folks are tuned off from the Bushnell name, but I have had some of there Elite line optics for years and years with never a hiccup. For the price some of these can be had for, it should defiantly be on the consideration list.
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 11:01
I would love to try the Kahles. Looked through it at shot. And while it is a another good option from the now growing 1-6x and 1-8x market, I feel they and Trijicon should have come out with these offerings a few years ago.
PatrioticDisorder
07-09-15, 11:12
I would love to try the Kahles. Looked through it at shot. And while it is a another good option from the now growing 1-6x and 1-8x market, I feel they and Trijicon should have come out with these offerings a few years ago.
The VCOG is way over priced for its features and I've written it off, the Accupoint 1-6 still interests me but like you said, lots of good options it competes with (including the Bushnell, Razor & Accupoint 1-6) but I think it may be priced fairly. My 2 personal favorites right now are the K16i & Mk6 (Z6i is good to but even crazier $$$) and obviously CQBSS is the King Kong of LPVs but it's $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 11:18
The VCOG is way over priced for its features and I've written it off, the Accupoint 1-6 still interests me but like you said, lots of good options it competes with (including the Bushnell, Razor & Accupoint 1-6) but I think it may be priced fairly. My 2 personal favorites right now are the K16i & Mk6 (Z6i is good to but even crazier $$$) and obviously CQBSS is the King Kong of LPVs but it's $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Yes. I couldn't pay that much cash for an optic. S&B was on the list also, but still too much $$ I had the Mk6 but was too busy for me with the tree style reticle. Lots of options out there. Cant really go wrong. Just getting to the one you like the best can cost you a lot of $$. Crossing my fingers on the USO on its way.
Thanks for all the great info...thinking I'll give the razor a shot!
Based on your review of the bushy, might consider it for a higher power scope I'll be needing in the future.
Jwknutson17
07-09-15, 11:40
Thanks for all the great info...thinking I'll give the razor a shot!
Based on your review of the bushy, might consider it for a higher power scope I'll be needing in the future.
The Razor HD Gen 2 is a great optic! Reason I kept it along with a select few others. I don't think you will be disappointed with it at all.
fullmetalredhead
07-09-15, 11:48
If you can look past the weight, the Razor HDG2 is hard to beat without pumping another $1K into the purchase.
Sounds like it...and I dont mind the weight. Plus, with the durability and supposeably amazing warranty it sounds hard to beat
So... does anyone have a review and/or actual experience with these 1-6x Trijicon TR25 Accupower scopes?
So... does anyone have a review and/or actual experience with these 1-6x Trijicon TR25 Accupower scopes?
There are no 1-6 accupowers, just accupoints AFAIK.
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=AccuPoint
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product1.php?id=AccuPower
i got mine in last week (green triangle) and shot it for the first time yesterday. Its actually my first scope as i was shooting irons for my first year. I have to say it is very clear, and at at 1x with both eyes open, it almost feels like your not even looking through the scope.
i obviously need a lot of work on it, but sighting it in (at 6x) at 50 yards i was getting half way decent groups (resting on the magazine). hoping to go back out in a couple of weeks to fine tune some and learn MOA a bit more, but so far i like it.
As for the reticle, it was bright, even with my oakleys with black iridium lenses. I had zero problems in bright light picking up on black or white paper
only real issue i had is my ear protection, with irons they didn't come into play much, but using a scope, i feel i have to adjust some to get the proper FOV and when i line up, the stock starts moving them.
XD40Colorado
07-21-15, 14:11
Looking for an optic to top my DD MK12. I have heard that the mil dots/hashes are thick on 6x and can obscure proper ranging capabilities. Have you found this to be the case? Can you take some pics of it on 6x?
Thanks bro!!
Looking for an optic to top my DD MK12. I have heard that the mil dots/hashes are thick on 6x and can obscure proper ranging capabilities. Have you found this to be the case? Can you take some pics of it on 6x?
Thanks bro!!
Looks like it's a 2nd focal plane scope with the reticle calibrated at 6X, so the mil-dots are only mils at 6X and the reticle is non-magnifying so it's the same size at all magnification.
i know the pics are bad and don't do the scope justice. but here is what i can get off of my phone
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XD40Colorado
07-23-15, 14:55
That's pretty cool - anyone have pics of the mil-dot on 6x?
That's pretty cool - anyone have pics of the mil-dot on 6x?
Same request, please post if you have.
Tophthetank
08-21-15, 14:19
I'm surprised we aren't seeing more feedback on this new 1-6. I thought it would be the hype.
As much as I want a 1-6x, I have started wondering if it was just a bunch of hype. Im currently running an acog and rmr setup and the fact that I can transition from true 1x to 4x my simply moving my head not having to remove a hand and adjust the power of the optic is seemingly more important than the extra 2x of magnification.
I guess the application will dictate which is better but...just a thought.
I think having a true 1x is more important than having higher end magnification. 6x is just fine and dandy, but I can't think of a situation where 6x is heads above a 4x at 5.56 range envelope. The 1-4x scopes won't be getting replaced by 1-1-6x because it just isn't there really. Now, if you told me that they had a 1-6x with the reticle the 1-4x accupower segmented circle had, I would be all over it like white on rice... but that would have had to have been before I bought my 1-4x.
I've only had mine to the range once so far, but I've no complaints so far. Optically I think it's right there with the razor 2, though I prefer the Vortex reticle. The trijicon I've got has the moa dot reticle, and while usable (at max magnification anyway) ismt ideal.
I'll post more when I get to spend some more time between the 2 scopes. The razor is on a S&W VTAC and the trijicon is on a Springfield m1a on a sadlak mount.
Tophthetank
08-27-15, 19:05
I've only had mine to the range once so far, but I've no complaints so far. Optically I think it's right there with the razor 2, though I prefer the Vortex reticle. The trijicon I've got has the moa dot reticle, and while usable (at max magnification anyway) ismt ideal.
I'll post more when I get to spend some more time between the 2 scopes. The razor is on a S&W VTAC and the trijicon is on a Springfield m1a on a sadlak mount.
How do you like the moa reticle on 1x, how does it compare to a t1 or vortex in terms of speed on target and reticle brightness?
the green dot isn't as bright as I like to run my red dots (T2/pro) or as bright as my Razor 1-6, but I find the crosshairs of the vortex or trijicon draws my eye as quickly as a bright dot. I don't have any statistical data to back that up, but anecdotally I don't see significant speed disadvantages vs. a quality red dot. The eye box/eye relief certainly isn't as flexible, but if you have proper cheek weld I haven't found that be be an issue with a quality variable scope at 1x. ymmv.
regarding the reticle, it is just OK. There are 2 few dots, and without a christmas tree holdovers are a challenge. Neither the razor nor the trijicon are great examples of a 1-x variable reticle to me, but as a MOA exclusive guy, my choices are limited. I considered buying another razor, but my m1a is already to heavy.
I'll let you know after white tail season, where I hunt is pretty heavily forested, and I think the trijicon on an m1a will be my go to rifle this year.
Tagged for interest. 1-6x is the next optic on my list.
how bright is the reticle compared to the 1-4...?
Somebody please post pics of the mil-dot or moa-dot on 6x.
XD40Colorado
09-05-15, 11:16
I have the 1-6 mildot version. LOV3 it! Glass is very bright and clear. Good eye relief, and very close to 1x under 5 yards, and true 1x past five yards. Inside the house, or at night using weapons light (surefire g2x tactical) the dot does washout. Outside even in partial it is bright and very fast on 1x.
I'll try to get pics up in the next couple days.
Hitting clays at 300 with IMI193 was a cinch today with my Accupower 1-4 segmented circle. I imagine the 1-6 with a similar reticle would be very popular (hint hint) and I would probably buy one for my 16" build I have been cooking in my head for a while.
XD40Colorado
09-05-15, 21:25
Hitting clays at 300 with IMI193 was a cinch today with my Accupower 1-4 segmented circle. I imagine the 1-6 with a similar reticle would be very popular (hint hint) and I would probably buy one for my 16" build I have been cooking in my head for a while.
Keep in mind, this is an ACCUPOINTthread. Numerous other threads on the ACCU POWER are out there. Let's keep this one on track.
May I completely disable illumination (except trittium of course)?
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not a great photo, but my ability to take good pics of reticles is pretty terrible
What really pisses me off about this optic is the decision by Trijicon to NOT make the illuminated section bigger and more effective for the sole purpose of not eating into their VCOG sales too much.
Singlestack Wonder
09-16-15, 12:58
May I completely disable illumination (except trittium of course)?
Yes by taping over the fiber optic inlet point on top of the scope.
What really pisses me off about this optic is the decision by Trijicon to NOT make the illuminated section bigger and more effective for the sole purpose of not eating into their VCOG sales too much.
I actually called Trijicon technical support with this question and I was told that the moa/mil dot reticles were not engineered with a super bright reticle as the tritium lamp needs to be small to be precise. If you want a super bright accupoint you should buy the post-triangle model... ymmv
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