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jpmuscle
05-10-15, 13:49
Ok, long story short I'm bored with my polymer guns and have become overwhelmed with desire to re-immerse myself in the 1911 worls again. In the past I owned multiples the favorite of which was my TRP operator. However, they were all sold in order to fund a SA professional or comparable Wilson, which regrettably never materialized. I'm contacting SA on Monday to order a Pro Operator and figure I'll just suffer through the wait, but so be it.


Now that said I want a single stack 9mm 1911, specifically one with a rail but in that configuration my options are limited. Basically something along the lines of a WC CQB tactical, Nighthawk, or a custom from another reputable smith. This I'm willing to do but not right at this moment since cash is tied up in other projects. The Warren Tactical 1911 looks intriguing as well so that is another possibility. I could do without the Fiber optic front site, 25 LPI checkering ( I like 20) and green would have to go. Shown below:

http://warrentactical.com/images/WTS-1911-WhiteBkGrnd-lrg.jpg


So then I remembered that RIA now makes a 9mm 1911 with a rail and from what I can gather they have a decent reputation but your certainly not getting high end quality for a gun running in the $600 dollar range but I can live with that. I'm thinking it would make a good project gun to cut my teeth on some basic 1911 pistol-smithing skills with the majority of the major work already done (e.g. cutting frame rails etc). Specifically things like fitting sights (their not novak cut but from what I gather novak sights can be made to fit), plunger tubes, checkering, BT safeties, Trigger/ignition parts, extractors, high cut the trigger guard, maybe a barrel eventually if necessary. I can do cerakote work at home so refinishing it isn't a huge deal, hell I'll krylon it if need be I just want it to work. Plus I see the journey as being half the fun. And before anyone says it yes, I don't expect it to be necessarily easy. Really what it comes down to is the cost benefit of training with 9mm on the same platform and learning some needed smith skills along the way.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_876/products_id/718002456/Rock+Island+Armory+51961+TCM+TAC+Ultra+FS+Combo+-+22TCM9mm

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/718002456_1.jpg


For those of you that have been down this road before me what are your suggestions on both information and tool resources? It looks like pretty much everything can be had from brownells. Good info on this site www.blindhogg.com as well. I also have the books below on order from brownells. Lastly, does anyone have any hands on experience with either the Warren 9mm 1911 or the RIA Tac ultra in 9mm?

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_924800245_1.jpg

http://www.brownells.com/userdocs/products/p_924200045_1.jpg

joedirt199
05-12-15, 09:53
The jerry books are good for technical info but can be a difficult read.
The 1911 assembly manual helped be build a single stack 9mm from separate frame and slide with easy step by step instructions with tips to avoid mistakes and how to fix the mistakes if made.

jpmuscle
05-13-15, 19:34
The jerry books are good for technical info but can be a difficult read.
The 1911 assembly manual helped be build a single stack 9mm from separate frame and slide with easy step by step instructions with tips to avoid mistakes and how to fix the mistakes if made.
Joe, thanks for the info. I'll add that to my list. Do you have any experience with the Wilson combat DVDs?

joedirt199
05-13-15, 19:44
I did track down an old copy of the wilson book and the pictures were dark and hard to see. No need to buy the dvds as most videos can be found on youtube if visual ques are better for you. The two jerry books and the assembly guide and owners guide are all you really need. I bought way too many books on 1911s and those were the most helpful.

jpmuscle
05-13-15, 21:58
I did track down an old copy of the wilson book and the pictures were dark and hard to see. No need to buy the dvds as most videos can be found on youtube if visual ques are better for you. The two jerry books and the assembly guide and owners guide are all you really need. I bought way too many books on 1911s and those were the most helpful.
Much obliged.

dwhitehorne
05-14-15, 16:59
I'm not 1911 pistol smith, but I am a model O armorer and have owned a few RIA's. One current one is a 9mm Tactical. What I will say about my experience with RIA is they are great shooters, but the few simple things I have added needed some work. Just like the Novak style sights are not quite the right cut, other things are off. The main spring housing pin hole was about a mm off on one of my RIA's making a big gap in the magwell and frame. I've also had to grind down quite a bit off of the back of extractors to get them to fit flush. Not something that is uncommon but I had to remove more metal than I though I should. I love my 9mm tactical but if you go the RIA route to practice on expect to need a little more fitting in some areas. David

jpmuscle
05-14-15, 18:46
Yea I can live with that. How much are the sights off compared to the Novak spec?


I have the full size TAC ultra in 9mm and rail on order so that's what I'll be working with. Single stack.

joedirt199
05-15-15, 09:24
More or less some filing on the sight dovetails is all that is needed to get them to fit. Angles are a little off.

dwhitehorne
05-15-15, 16:05
I put this Fusion rear sight on when I had to cut the factory sight off that was glue/rusted on. I didn't file on the gun, just the sight. I took a flat file to the front angle of the sight. The rear angle and the depth in the dove tail was fine for this sight. David

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/dwhitehorne/201a66f1-1eb6-473d-95ae-b0b08f26a2c9.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/user/dwhitehorne/media/201a66f1-1eb6-473d-95ae-b0b08f26a2c9.jpg.html)

jpmuscle
05-27-15, 01:09
More or less some filing on the sight dovetails is all that is needed to get them to fit. Angles are a little off.


I put this Fusion rear sight on when I had to cut the factory sight off that was glue/rusted on. I didn't file on the gun, just the sight. I took a flat file to the front angle of the sight. The rear angle and the depth in the dove tail was fine for this sight. David

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/dwhitehorne/201a66f1-1eb6-473d-95ae-b0b08f26a2c9.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/user/dwhitehorne/media/201a66f1-1eb6-473d-95ae-b0b08f26a2c9.jpg.html)

Good to know. I can live with that.