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sava
05-12-15, 01:52
Before we get started, I’ll give you guys some background.

I am a LEO who is fortunate enough to work for an agency that allows each person to decide what he/she is going to carry on duty. The Glock and Sig Sauer are standard issue but quite a few guys carry 1911’s and the various other popular polymer pistols. Ever since shooting my first 1911 six years ago, I instantly became a fan of the ergonomics and crisp trigger manipulation.

Since then I’ve had the chance to shoot quite a few mid – high end 1911’s and have been wanting to purchase a railed 1911 for duty use. Knowing that the low – mid grade 1911’s can be plagued by feedway stoppages and various other reliability issues I decided to spend the money and buy something that was hand fitted by experience craftsmen.

I ordered a Wilson Combat Tactical LE with a few custom upgrades and wanted something to play with until the WC arrived. When I found out about the new 2015 model Springfield Armory Loaded Operator (PX9105LLP) I decided to track one down. I was fortunate enough to locate an in-stock gun for a very good price and had it shipped to my local FFL.

I picked up the gun and noticed it was very tightly put together. The slide to frame fit was extremely tight with zero wiggle. I disassembled the pistol to examine the internals, wipe off any excess oil, and to ensure everything was fitted together properly. The barrel bushing was very difficult to rotate by hand. The magazine well was nicely blended and the pistol had no burrs or machining marks on the interior of the slide. The feed ramp and barrel throat were evenly polished. The plunger tube was properly staked and had zero wobble.

I lubricated the pistol and reassembled it. While manipulating and racking the slide it felt rough, although it did not hang up at any point through the travel. The trigger was crisp, had no creep, and had a very short reset. I don’t have access to a trigger pull gauge, but would estimate the pull to be 3.5 – 4 pounds. Overall I was quite impressed with the build quality of the pistol.

The gun came with night sights, two 8 round MecGar magazines, holster and magazine pouch, cleaning brush and a very nice box. I ordered 10 additional Wilson Combat ETM magazines for range and duty use. I also ordered a set of VZ Recon Dirty Olive grips as the stock grips did not provide the kind of traction I am used to.

First Range Trip
The first trip was destined to be a break in. I brought 300 rounds of ammo and they were fired in the below listed order. Due to the tight assembly I believed the pistol would need a few hundred rounds before it was “broken in”. I fully expected to have multiple malfunctions during this range session.

-100 Federal 230 gr FMJ
-100 Winchester White Box 230 gr FMJ
-50 Blazer Brass 230 gr FMJ
-50 PMC 230 gr FMJ
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/stan_the_man_25/92502687-077c-48c5-859e-d2c99d1450de.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/stan_the_man_25/media/92502687-077c-48c5-859e-d2c99d1450de.jpg.html)

I only paused long enough between strings of fire to reload empty magazines and to snap a few quick photos.

The first 32 (Federal) rounds consisted of Hilton Yam’s extractor test. This was done at 5 yards. 16 rounds were fired with a two handed grip. One round in the chamber, no magazine in the gun. All 16 cases ejected beautifully and consistently to the 3 – 4 oclock direction. The next 16 were fired strong hand only, one round in the chamber, no magazine in the gun. Once again, all 16 cases ejected to the 3-4 oclock direction. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind. This is the target after the first 32 rounds.
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The next 40 (Federal) rounds were double taps with the pistol drawn from my duty holster. Draw and fire 2 rounds in rapid succession at 5 yds. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind.

The next 28 (Federal) rounds were triple taps with the pistol drawn from my duty holster. Draw and fire 3 rounds in rapid succession at 5 yds. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind. This is the target after all 100 rounds of Federal.
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I then fired all 100 rounds of Winchester ammo while practicing double taps at 10 yds. Draw and fire 2 rounds in rapid succession. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind.

I loaded all 50 rounds of Blazer Brass into magazines and fired all 50 rounds rapid fire at 7 yds. These were essentially mag dumps into the target. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind.

I loaded all 50 rounds of PMC into magazines and fired one round at a time making a ragged hole at 7 yards. No stoppages or malfunctions of any kind.

After firing all 300 rounds the gun was filthy. The Surefire light was completely caked in powder residue and I could see unburnt powder around both sides of the slide and a fair amount of residue at the rear of the slide near the hammer. Much to my surprise, the gun did not exhibit any kind of stoppages or malfunctions. The slide travel did not slow down or become sluggish either. That “rough” travel that I experienced when initially examining the gun was now gone. The slide now felt like it was gliding along glass.
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I came home and gave the gun a good cleaning. Everything seemed to be working well and the slide travel felt even better after the cleaning. Smooth as butter.

I am very pleased with the performance of the gun so far and will continue testing it. I'll post updates in this thread and will try to answer any and all questions. If it continues performing flawlessly up to the 1500 round mark I may make it my duty carry until the WC shows up.

I wanted to post this little review in case any of you guys were contemplating on purchasing this pistol. Based on what I'm seeing so far, I have full confidence that this gun will continue performing well. If I encounter any issues I'll definitely update the thread.

Next up - The Duty Ammo Test
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sava
05-12-15, 01:52
Range Trip #2
Earlier today my buddy and I decided to hit the range for some quick shooting. This was the second time I have fired the pistol. I was unable to procure the necessary amount of duty ammo to make this an official "Duty Ammo" range day, so I brought what I had on hand.

I brought and fired 310 rounds of various ammunition.

-100 Winchester White Box 230gr FMJ
-100 Federal 230gr FMJ
-50 Tula 230gr FMJ
-20 Federal Hydra-Shok 230gr JHP
-20 Speer Gold-Dot 230gr JHP
-20 Winchester PDX1 Defender 230 gr JHP

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I fired 100 rounds of the Winchester FMJ while drawing from my duty holster. This was done at 5 yards. Hands down at my sides, then draw and fire 2-3 rounds with an emphasis on speed. When it came time to reload I dropped the mags and reloaded from my Bladetech Quad mag pouch (also testing this mag pouch for possible duty use). I only paused long enough to reload the six magazines I brought with me. Four 8-round Wilson Combat ETM's and two of the 8-round MecGar's that came with the pistol.

Since I only had 60 JHP's available for this test I decided to load them in a staggered formation. One round FMJ, one round JHP, one round FMJ, one round JHP.....so on and so forth. The Federal FMJ's were used during this phase of the shooting. I ensured that the top round in each magazine (the one that would feed into the chamber first) was a JHP. I shot the Hydra-Shok's first, followed by the Winchester Defender, and lastly the Gold Dot's. These were 3 round drills shot from the holster. 2 to the body and 1 to the head. Hands down at my sides, then draw and fire with an emphasis on speed. Reloads were normal speed reloads and this was shot at 5 yards.

I loaded the remaining Federal FMJ's and did 4 round drills. Hands down at my sides, then draw from the duty holster and fire 4 rounds at the head. When the gun went empty I did a normal speed reload to get it topped off again.

I can definitely say that the 1911 is a more natural handgun for me to shoot. It points more naturally I don't have to try as hard to get good hits. It's difficult to explain, but it feels a lot more natural than shooting the Glock. As I bring it up the sights line up more consistently and quicker when compared to the Glock. This is just my opinion based on my shooting....I'm not looking to start a debate as to which platform is better.

Here is the target after 160 rounds of the staggered FMJ/JHP. I am grouping low left, which is my fault and something I have been working on. The gun shoots POA/POI.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/stan_the_man_25/IMG_2355.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/stan_the_man_25/media/IMG_2355.jpg.html)

Finally I loaded up all 50 rounds of Tula and did a few mag dumps into the target. Hands down at my sides, then draw and fire the entire magazine. When the gun went empty I did a normal speed reload.

The gun continued to function flawlessly. No malfunctions of any kind. All 310 rounds fired and ejected as expected. The action continues to get smoother the more I fire it. 610 rounds and zero malfunctions (thus far). I am beginning to gain faith in this pistol and am actually hoping it passes my reliability test. From what I am currently seeing, I wouldn't mind carrying this as a duty firearm.

Now for the bad part.

I noticed a peculiar issue with one of the WC ETM magazines. I noticed this during my first range trip and marked the magazine to easily identify it. When doing a speed reload this specific magazine would hit the concrete floor and the baseplate would slide slightly forward. This happened consistently each time the magazine was dropped during a reload. I examined and compared this magazine to the remaining three ETM's and noticed the metal retaining pin was shorter, thus causing the baseplate to be easily bumped out of position. I will contact Wilson Combat and hopefully get a replacement.
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The remaining ETM's are working reliably....as expected.

The MecGar magazines have been reliable and I have not seen any issues with them.

I will update this thread with my third range trip, at which point the gun will hopefully have over 1,000 rounds through it.

sava
05-12-15, 01:52
Saved x 2

Sabre675
05-12-15, 05:32
Nice write up brother. Nice pistol to. I am also envious of your Tactical LE you've ordered. Wilson provides a solid discount as well. I recently purchased some Diamond backs as they are supposed to be the "most aggressive" VZ's, to replace the grips on my new TRP Operator....Uhhh, not so much. They're Ok but I had the Simonich Gunner (basically recons) Grips prevously on a 1911 I sold and they were much better in the solid purchase department.

LowSpeed_HighDrag
05-12-15, 06:07
Sava,

what weight is the recoil spring?

Are there sharp edges on the pistol or has it been dehorned from the factory?

Could you take some close-ups of the thumb safety blending?

Thanks!

Food for thought: Try it with the stock SA mags, loaded with 2 or three rounds of JHP. See how it does.

Nightstalker865
05-12-15, 07:34
I've been intrigued by that gun since they announced it around SHOT. If I didn't already have a TRP I would jump all over one of these. I really like the upgrades that the new model is offering.


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bear13
05-12-15, 09:54
Waiting to pay mine off. Looks awesome same grips I am looking at for mine. I could not believe how tight and smooth it was. Also nice to see the made in U.S.A tag hanging off her.

Hammer27
05-12-15, 09:59
Looks great, only thing I'd ask for is the same front strap checkering as the TRP.

jondoe297
05-12-15, 10:56
I've been running one as my primary duty weapon since October. My experience has been similar to the OP's, with the exception of one thing. Mine would not pass the extractor test, and ended up going to a gunsmith to remedy that. Although, it never once malfunctioned with the magazine inserted. The gunsmith told me that in addition to the tension on the extractor being extremely weak, the extractor claw needed some stoning to remove rough machining, and correct the angle.
Other than that minor issue I can't complain at all about mine. It's served me admirably.
http://i62.tinypic.com/2j1m0l2.jpg

sava
05-12-15, 11:11
Sava,

what weight is the recoil spring?

Are there sharp edges on the pistol or has it been dehorned from the factory?

Could you take some close-ups of the thumb safety blending?

Thanks!

Food for thought: Try it with the stock SA mags, loaded with 2 or three rounds of JHP. See how it does.

No idea regarding the spring weight and I don't want to guess. I'm sure you could probably find out by calling Springfield or looking at the specs in their site.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/themes/springfield/pdf/2015Catalog-new.pdf

The gun was blended very well and had no noticeable sharp corners. During the reloads I did normal speed reloads with the slingshot method and did not notice any discomfort during the drills.

I'll snap some photos later tonight and post them in this thread.


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TAZ
05-12-15, 11:34
I'm officially jealous. I've been eyeing a lot of guns lately, but this one keeps calling my name.

bear13
05-12-15, 16:02
I bought the wilson front strap for my loaded 9mm and one to throw on the long beach. It works pretty dang well for the price.

Pilgrim
05-12-15, 18:47
Thanks for the review... This gun is on my short list.

I'm all striker-fired-polymer-framed pistoled out for a while, getting back into the 1911's.

sava
05-13-15, 00:16
I've been running one as my primary duty weapon since October. My experience has been similar to the OP's, with the exception of one thing. Mine would not pass the extractor test, and ended up going to a gunsmith to remedy that. Although, it never once malfunctioned with the magazine inserted. The gunsmith told me that in addition to the tension on the extractor being extremely weak, the extractor claw needed some stoning to remove rough machining, and correct the angle.
Other than that minor issue I can't complain at all about mine. It's served me admirably.
http://i62.tinypic.com/2j1m0l2.jpg

Which mags are you using?


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Mrshmitty
05-13-15, 05:37
These look like Chip Mccormick power 10 or power 10 plus mags.

I got to see these at shot and like another member has said I too wish they would do a machine checkering on the front strap as well. These combined with some shredder grips would dang near stick to your open hand.

I have the LW operator but have been wanting a Long Beach since I found out they existed. These new loaded operators are going to really make me think twice about buying another rifle and maybe pick up to more springer 1911s.

Beautiful write up and let us know how the duty rounds fair. Thanks for your service to the community as well.

chastain11
05-13-15, 06:23
Awesome write up OP. I'm like everybody else here now thinking that I might "need" to acquire one of these too. Dang it!

jondoe297
05-13-15, 08:13
Which mags are you using?


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CMC Power 10+. I've got a few Power 10's (no +) and the 8 round power mags. They all work like a champ.

jackmobes
05-13-15, 23:46
Great write up, thank you!

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Luigi_Martinez
05-15-15, 14:51
Price?

bear13
05-15-15, 21:49
1100-1200.00ish

bigrobbierob
05-16-15, 10:43
Sava, what mags came with yours? MECGAR? I take it they are working well?

Pappabear
05-16-15, 20:38
Great write up. I drink SA 1911 Koolaid. I am amazed how tight they make these guns and they function so well. It astounds me. This new Loaded Op. is now the best railed gun in a factory non custom price range, that totally kicks ass. Great purchase on your part, congrats.

sava
05-16-15, 22:31
Price?

$1150


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sava
05-16-15, 22:31
Sava, what mags came with yours? MECGAR? I take it they are working well?

Two 8 round Mecgar magazines. They have been 100% so far.


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Mrshmitty
05-16-15, 23:46
Good to hear springfield is starting to ship their guns with 8 rounders now. I just wish they would include a 3rd mag so you can run one in the gun and two in their carrier.

Jason Burton
05-18-15, 10:19
I have a couple Springfield Operators in my shop right now and I have recently been shooting an LB Operator like the one pictured here.

Other than a trigger job the gun is completely stock and out of the box it has been a reliable and accurate machine. My initial impressions of the gun backed up by my shooting experience with it make me believe that these guns are likely the best deal for a "rail gun" in the sub-$1500 price point.

jpmuscle
05-18-15, 12:21
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Oh and make a sister to it in 9mm too that runs. Perfection.

bear13
05-18-15, 12:25
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Oh and make a sister to it in 9mm too that runs. Perfection.

Basically a loaded with checkering lol

jpmuscle
05-18-15, 12:47
Basically a loaded with checkering lol
Basically, Yea lol. When I spoke with Amanda at SACS she confirmed the loaded operator gets the same love as the TRPs so... Indeed.

Kain
05-18-15, 12:51
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Oh and make a sister to it in 9mm too that runs. Perfection.

Can we start a petition for this pistol? I would jump on it as a stable mate to my slick TRP. Hell I even have a spare X300U laying around that would be right at home on that pistol.

Nightstalker865
05-18-15, 13:08
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Oh and make a sister to it in 9mm too that runs. Perfection.

I would jump all over that.


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jpmuscle
05-18-15, 13:41
My guess is they dont simply because they get people to buy the more expensive TRP operator.

Maybe like warren tactical we could get them to a m4c special edition, ha.

Hammer27
05-19-15, 01:46
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Agreed. I just want my TRP with a rail. Literally that pistol with a rail.

Wake27
05-19-15, 02:05
I'd be in for the 9.


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Mrshmitty
05-19-15, 02:28
I would be in for both, maybe even a 10mm

Col. H. Stinkmeaner
05-19-15, 21:58
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

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Agreed. I just want my TRP with a rail. Literally that pistol with a rail.

Forgive me if I'm missing something, 10-8 makes a rear sight for the TRP Operator and from what I understand the Operator is already setup to take a bushing so wouldn't a conversion be relatively simple and inexpensive?

jpmuscle
05-19-15, 22:23
Forgive me if I'm missing something, 10-8 makes a rear sight for the TRP Operator and from what I understand the Operator is already setup to take a bushing so wouldn't a conversion be relatively simple and inexpensive?
Straightforward yes. However figure you get into the TRP operator for 1400 add 100$ for the sight and then 2-300 for a new barrel if you fit it yourself and your 1700-1800$. It'd be nice to get into it for around 1300$ or less IMO.

At the point it would probably be cheaper to send the loaded operator to SACS to have it checkered and refinished.

Col. H. Stinkmeaner
05-19-15, 23:15
Straightforward yes. However figure you get into the TRP operator for 1400 add 100$ for the sight and then 2-300 for a new barrel if you fit it yourself and your 1700-1800$. It'd be nice to get into it for around 1300$ or less IMO.

At the point it would probably be cheaper to send the loaded operator to SACS to have it checkered and refinished.

Fair enough. Even buying new you can get a DW Specialist in SS for $1550, still a bit less than converting. I almost went for one but found my TRP Op for $1300. Bull barrel isn't an issue for me though.

Mrshmitty
05-20-15, 00:59
I don't hate the bull barrel, but I don't really care for the TRP Operator Bo-Mar sights. I would like to have 10-8 style sights rather than the adjustable ones.

sava
05-20-15, 01:24
Now if Springfield would just put out a railed TRP with a standard bushing, standard Novak sights, and 20lpi on the front strap they would truly have the best factory production 1911 on the market IMO.

Oh and make a sister to it in 9mm too that runs. Perfection.

I would buy that in a heartbeat!

sava
05-20-15, 01:26
Posted a little bit of an update. (Post #2)

The gun has continued to function 100%!

Nanuk
05-24-15, 10:00
That is some nice shooting. I picked up a RO this year and have been very happy.

jpmuscle
05-24-15, 12:04
That is some nice shooting. I picked up a RO this year and have been very happy.
Full size or the mid?

Nanuk
05-24-15, 15:19
33372
Full size. I radiused the rear sight, swapped out the 2 piece FLGR for a GI GR and plug, and installed a short alum trigger (not in Pic). I also had to radius the thumb safety as it was poor fitting and stuck down below the grip safety. The darn thing is a shooter though.

Pilot1
05-24-15, 16:06
Great review, and good to hear it has been reliable. Accurate too! Springfield continues to make nice 1911's. I bought a Milspec in 1993 that I still have and shoot. It has always preformed well, especially for such a basic 1911.

bear13
06-29-15, 07:29
Have had my long beach out a couple times now. Only 150 rounds so far. But has been great with federal 230grn. Love the gun, has a good trigger and is amazingly tight. Slide is really smooth now. I want to change the grips and the sights though. have a 10-8 flat trigger that I was going to install but may go with a short trigger. Love this gun. I would say best 1911 in the price range and a steb above the trp because of the normal bushing barrel and gi guide rod set up.

sava
07-12-15, 13:49
Coming up on 1K rounds with the last 300 being Speer Gold Dots.

So far it has been 100% reliable.

bear13
07-12-15, 20:04
That is good to hear! I am only up to 250.