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SW CQB 45
06-14-15, 19:18
Let me start from the beginning.

I was hired in 1989. I recall in the very early 90s shooting a full auto 20" AR platform rifle. It had the A1 type stock and triangle hand guards. I remember that day….clearly and dumping 20 round mags.

I eventually became the dept armorer (but SWAT stuff was not my responsibility). About 5 years ago, I observed a SWAT Officer assigned an A1 receiver AR as his rifle. I did a once over on the rifle and saw it was a Colt SP1 but it was not correct in that it had a heavy 16" 1/9 barrel and the hand guards were cheap A2 style. The officer wanted me to help him put optics on this rifle. The rifle concerned me as I knew there had been changes made so I got with the SWAT commander and they removed it from the line and I took possession of it. I stuck it in a corner with intentions of checking this firearm.

This rifle is full auto but missing parts (the hammer and trigger are semi auto). I recall reviewing our full auto paper work and seeing a Colt SP1 as full auto. I had asked Admin about the gun missing full auto parts and it turns out they were possibly removed by a shady officer some years back who was the armorer and suspected of stealing the parts from this gun. I told them that if this gun was originally a 20", he also took the barrel, hand guards and stock.

The stock is shiny hard plastic adjustable with two sling slots. The receiver extension was originally two position but it was drilled for multi positions.

Serial Number dates past 1982. SP16XXXX

Fast Forward to today

I dug the rifle out of my cabinet and I am glad I took it off line. The gas tube must be an original and or damaged as the build up for gas debris is heavy around the FSB and where the tube meets the gas key (meaning it was leaking gas). The A2 front sight based has cast markings and I am unable to remove the gas tube. Assuming built up debris has seized the tube in the front sight base. There is no raised area on the gas tube where it meets the gas key (as if trimmed). The barrel nut was also not very tight. I plan to pull the ATF paperwork to see what this gun was originally and now for my questions.

I doubt the PD will allow me to spin any money on this gun to try and return it to original, but I would like to get it close with least amount of cost.

Is there a resource for Mil Spec type surplus parts to get the SP1 close to original and safe too shoot? (Not necessarily Colt parts but decent mil spec stuff)

Hell, I don't know if any of the parts left on the gun are original Colt. The bolt carrier is full auto.

I heard this officer when he left employment with us, he got hired by another dept and later got fired for internal wrongdoing. Good for him! He was long gone before we discovered and suspected he took the full auto stuff from this SP1.

There is no one left at the dept to give me the history of this gun. It may have been evidence that was awarded to our dept by the courts. I am not able to verify this was the same rifle I shot in the early 90s.

thanks in advance

Renegade04
06-14-15, 19:48
Can you get some really good pictures of the SP1? That would help in determining exactly what you have and what you will need.

Here is a picture of my 1981 SP1 Carbine.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/005_zpsaqkd6snb.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/Retro%20ARs/005_zpsaqkd6snb.jpg.html)

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The barrel is stamped C MP CHROME BORE and is a 1/12 twist. If the stock looks like the one on mine, then it is a Colt vinyl acetate coated aluminum stock that was original to the SP1 Carbines along with the 2-position receiver extension. The handguards are of the 6-hole variety. How much does the one you have differ from this one besides the full-auto conversion?

SW CQB 45
06-14-15, 19:54
I have the rifle completely apart right now except for the receiver extension. I will snap pics tomorrow.

Now you got me thinking.....this might not be the same rifle I shot in the 90s.

The barrel I know is not Colt. Very heavy under the handguards.

Renegade04
06-14-15, 20:10
I have the rifle completely apart right now except for the receiver extension. I will snap pics tomorrow.

Now you got me thinking.....this might not be the same rifle I shot in the 90s.

The barrel I know is not Colt. Very heavy under the handguards.

What upper receiver does it have? A1, A2, or A3? If it has an A2 upper receiver, it could have a Colt AR6525 AR-15A2 Government Carbine upper. That had a 1/9 barrel. Not sure of the profile under the handguards. If it has an A3 upper, it could have a Colt AR6721 AR-15A3 Tactical Carbine which has a 1/9 HBAR barrel.

SW CQB 45
06-14-15, 20:11
It's an A1 upper.

Renegade04
06-14-15, 20:20
It's an A1 upper.

Okay. I look forward to seeing the pictures. If you can get pics of the barrel markings, gas tube, and FSB and markings that will help too.

SW CQB 45
06-14-15, 20:21
Cool....Will do.

SW CQB 45
06-15-15, 19:02
I am not the best picture taker….and can take more if needed. has some paint on the lettering. I will remove. Forgot to take a picture of the other side. No forward assist.
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee412/SWCQB45/unnamed_zpsktfdjohf.jpg (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/SWCQB45/media/unnamed_zpsktfdjohf.jpg.html)

heavy build up on gas tube
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unless early gas tubes were different….this has no raised area where it meets the gas key
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee412/SWCQB45/unnamed_zpsnoqvqmb5.jpg (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/SWCQB45/media/unnamed_zpsnoqvqmb5.jpg.html)

small parts, A2 flash hider, round hand guard cap, no full auto trigger components, no full auto selector. and enough peel washers to start a parts store
http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee412/SWCQB45/unnamed_zpsn73oi31r.jpg (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/SWCQB45/media/unnamed_zpsn73oi31r.jpg.html)

heavy barrel, not a Colt (at least I don't think so) had many steps .980", .950" all they way to .750". regular looking barrel nut assembly.
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FSB
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Bolt marked MP
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stock and hand guards. I was wrong on the stock, its dull plastic
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bolt carrier, staked gas key but I could not find any markings
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militarymoron
06-15-15, 22:17
heavy barrel, not a Colt (at least I don't think so) had many steps .980", .950" all they way to .750". regular looking barrel nut assembly.

that's a bushmaster barrel.

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-15-15, 22:23
Legally if this gun is a F/A and owned by the PD then you can buy a full auto trigger set easy to work with that auto sear I see the gun has. Gas tube looks like it has had a good use in 3rd gear. Replace front sight base and tube. USCore replicas has old m16 stocks for sale. The gun just needs a gas tube and front sight with the m16 trigger group. Midway usa has colt m16 trigger groups for $45-50 and a regular trigger group is the same price. Also its a MG in the books so it needs to be a MG!
Your looking at about $50-300 depending on what you want to do. Barrel and stock will cost the most in your build. But you got a barrel and only need trigger group, gas tube, front sight, and stock.

Heavy Metal
06-15-15, 22:44
that's a bushmaster barrel.

^^^Concur.

BUBBAGUNS
06-15-15, 22:45
If you are looking for older M-16 parts, Sarco has them.

Heavy Metal
06-15-15, 22:46
Most likely, the missing raised area on the gas tube was caused by improper alignment when the Bushmaster Carbine Barrel was installed. Gas Tube alignment is something I sweat bullets over on an installation.

SW CQB 45
06-15-15, 23:40
Most likely, the missing raised area on the gas tube was caused by improper alignment when the Bushmaster Carbine Barrel was installed. Gas Tube alignment is something I sweat bullets over on an installation.

I agree. It came apart odd but will not come out of the FSB. THe barrel nut was hardly tight. I am glad I pulled this gun off line.

thanks for the info on Sarco….I will look into it.

even if this was originally a 20" rifle, I would like to make it a carbine 16" but I need to pull the paper and verify.

if they will approve the expense….it may be easier just to return it to what it once was.

SW CQB 45
06-16-15, 12:26
Interesting news.

I found the ATF paperwork on this rifle and oddly enough it shows a barrel length of 12.5 inches and was converted to full auto. Approved 1988. There is no history on where this rifle originated, however the 12.5" barrel and full auto trigger components are long gone.

Also in the folder was paperwork and a single Polaroid of a 20" Colt M16 Model 614 with triangle handguards and A1 stock. That was the gun I shot in the early 90s. It was sold (to a class III dealer) along with several Ruger AC556s in 1998.

Upon inspecting the internals of the lower receiver, it shows machine work to convert to full auto.

I am sure I can just buy the proper trigger group with no administrative issues on my part (as the costs would not be that much) but the barrel would be a different story.

If this were your gun, what surplus barrel would you look at? Keeping in mind that the lower the cost the more chances I would get approval. I would also need to update the ATF paperwork.

additional pics tonight unless the tropical storm keeps me from that!

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-16-15, 14:27
Interesting news.

I found the ATF paperwork on this rifle and oddly enough it shows a barrel length of 12.5 inches and was converted to full auto. Approved 1988. There is no history on where this rifle originated, however the 12.5" barrel and full auto trigger components are long gone.

Also in the folder was paperwork and a single Polaroid of a 20" Colt M16 Model 614 with triangle handguards and A1 stock. That was the gun I shot in the early 90s. It was sold (to a class III dealer) along with several Ruger AC556s in 1998.

Upon inspecting the internals of the lower receiver, it shows machine work to convert to full auto.

I am sure I can just buy the proper trigger group with no administrative issues on my part (as the costs would not be that much) but the barrel would be a different story.

If this were your gun, what surplus barrel would you look at? Keeping in mind that the lower the cost the more chances I would get approval. I would also need to update the ATF paperwork.

additional pics tonight unless the tropical storm keeps me from that!

If its a SBR look at a 11.5"-12.5" barrel because it is a SBR and a MG and can legally be one. YMH has some good short barrels that might get you going. Also replace the front sight post because the gas tube looks like its welded to it (most likely from being shot a lot) and that's because the gas tube looks too worn out to be safe from the only pics you took. Also its not a SP1 its a Model 653-654 from the looks of it.

Renegade04
06-16-15, 15:31
The lower is definitely from a SP1 Sporter Carbine. It even has the original style castle nut. Several of the early SP1 receivers (pre-1986) got converted to full-auto. Is the upper receiver a slickside? It looks like it has a M16 BCG. Is that what I am seeing? The stock is not original to the weapon. It is a later fiberlite version. Originally, it would have had the aluminum vinyl acetate coated stock. It is truly a bastardized SP1. Since you plan on making it a functional full-auto weapon again, I would also suggest going with a 11.5" or 12.5" barrel. Here is a lightweight 11.5" from BCM (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Standard-11-5-Carbine-Barrel-light-weight-p/bcm-brl-s-11lw%20std.htm). You would need a .625" FSB for it. They also have other 11.5" and 12.5" barrels that are .750" at the gas block. What you have can be made into a really nice retro full-auto SBR.

SW CQB 45
06-16-15, 16:53
Yes, the upper is slick. I forgot to snap that image. Yes…M16 BCG with no markings.

Reference using a modern barrel and FSB……will there be an issue with front sight height with the A1 fixed rear?

I am assuming I would have to find a barrel with a FSB that is not "F" marked??


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Renegade04
06-16-15, 18:12
Yes, the upper is slick. I forgot to snap that image. Yes…M16 BCG with no markings.

Reference using a modern barrel and FSB……will there be an issue with front sight height with the A1 fixed rear?

I am assuming I would have to find a barrel with a FSB that is not "F" marked??



Not a real issue. I have a XM177E2 that I built using an A1 upper and an A2 FSB (non- F marked) with an A1 FSP in it. I have no issues with accuracy with it. The important thing is to have the A1 FSP. I have a 723 build with a Colt C H upper (A1) and a F marked FSB with an A2 FSP. No issues there either.

SW CQB 45
06-16-15, 20:32
Renegade, do you have a link for an image on your XM177E2?

Renegade04
06-16-15, 21:54
Renegade, do you have a link for an image on your XM177E2?

Here are the pics I have right now. It is not 100% correct, but pretty close. There are a few minor details. Tonight, I changed out the bolt catch to a correct one. The picture shows the one I had one it before it was changed.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/Weapons%202014/XM177E2/XM177E2b_zpsgsoftpun.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/jamesrea_2006/media/Weapons%202014/XM177E2/XM177E2b_zpsgsoftpun.jpg.html)

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SW CQB 45
06-16-15, 23:25
Very nice setup.

Everyone.....thanks for the info.

O3SKILL
06-17-15, 01:07
As others have stated that is a Colt AR-15 model SP-1 and started life as a full size semi auto Rifle. It was machined and drilled for the auto sear by someone. If you look at the photos you can see where they machined inside of the lower is still in the white (bare aluminum). Then they decided to make it a carbine and installed the aftermarket humpty dumpty parts. If it was converted legally then there should be a paper trail and the lower should be engraved somewhere by the company or person that converted it. If it was not converted legally and is just a weapon that was seized during a bust....who knows!!

If it's legit, in spec and transferable then it's worth about 15k in today's market. The dept could easily trade it to a reputable CIII dealer for 15 brand new select fire Colt commando's.

SW CQB 45
06-17-15, 06:42
I will check again, but I don't recall seeing engraving on the lower. We do have the ATF approval documentation dated 1988 and Admin sold 4 AC556s and 1 Colt Model 614 in 1998, but why not this weapon. It leads me to believe this was once evidence and it was disposed by the courts to the police dept and its ours forever. If thats the case…I want it running as it should be. I am dealing with non gun oriented administrative personnel so it will be a struggle to return this to proper form.

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-17-15, 20:44
I will check again, but I don't recall seeing engraving on the lower. We do have the ATF approval documentation dated 1988 and Admin sold 4 AC556s and 1 Colt Model 614 in 1998, but why not this weapon. It leads me to believe this was once evidence and it was disposed by the courts to the police dept and its ours forever. If thats the case…I want it running as it should be. I am dealing with non gun oriented administrative personnel so it will be a struggle to return this to proper form.

He shouldn't need it engraved if it is a post-86 LE gun. This is a PD rifle right? I have fixed some post-86 PD machineguns for a Local SWAT unit they don't need it engraved because its not a Civilian gun. So it should be a Form 10 Gun if it is a PD rifle. It might be that it is evidence because the 1986 ban was well into effect by 1988. The other guns might have been pre-86 so they could have been sold to someone who had the money.

SW CQB 45
06-17-15, 21:49
Yes PD gun. I have a copy of the form we have on file dated June 1988….but I did not look at the form number. I also checked the lower….there is no engraving.

I was able to vise grip the gas tube out of the FSB. so much gas build up had it seized on. There was also a lot of build up where the gas tube entered the upper receiver. I broke off a huge chunk of debris on an inside corner.

my first goal is to get the full auto components back in the gun. The buffer is not marked and the face shows a lot of use….might have to get a modern buffer (H or H2) with a new spring.

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-17-15, 23:17
You might want a H3 so it lowers the cyclic rate, felt recoil, and puts less stress on the gun. Thats one thing that was improved off the original rifle. Also if your interested they have 4 position selectors that offer 3rb if your department feels that's worth the investment.

SW CQB 45
06-18-15, 08:20
Confirmation- ATF Form 10

good info on H3 buffer.

While the "man" is my immediate supervisor, firearms and expenditures in that area always fall to next budget year :(

It took me 8 years to replace our G21s...many of them were 17 years old.


Renegade, reference your XM177 barrel, is it a short barrel with an extended flash hider? (sorry, while I have heard of XM177, I never followed up on it)

I would like to find for this SP1 one but I am sure they are not cheap. And that sling is cool, heavy duty and simple. I like it.

Renegade04
06-18-15, 09:57
Confirmation- ATF Form 10

good info on H3 buffer.

While the "man" is my immediate supervisor, firearms and expenditures in that area always fall to next budget year :(

It took me 8 years to replace our G21s...many of them were 17 years old.


Renegade, reference your XM177 barrel, is it a short barrel with an extended flash hider? (sorry, while I have heard of XM177, I never followed up on it)

I would like to find for this SP1 one but I am sure they are not cheap. And that sling is cool, heavy duty and simple. I like it.

The barrel on my XM177E2 was a 16" that was cut down to 12.75" and a faux-moderator (4.5") and grenade ring were attached and permanently mounted to make it a non-NFA length barrel. The actual moderators used on the real XM177s are NFA items. Also, the original XM177E2 had a 11.5" barrel. The XM177 and XM177E1 has 10" barrels with moderators.

Here is a website that you may find interesting. http://www.retroblackrifle.com/

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-18-15, 15:20
Confirmation- ATF Form 10

good info on H3 buffer.

While the "man" is my immediate supervisor, firearms and expenditures in that area always fall to next budget year :(

It took me 8 years to replace our G21s...many of them were 17 years old.


Renegade, reference your XM177 barrel, is it a short barrel with an extended flash hider? (sorry, while I have heard of XM177, I never followed up on it)

I would like to find for this SP1 one but I am sure they are not cheap. And that sling is cool, heavy duty and simple. I like it.

No problem. I think his sling is from a old 2 piece military tent packing strap.
Why would you want a moderator (besides cool factor)? I find that a A1 flash hider does wonders and is $2000 cheaper than a moderator and $35-45 cheaper than a fake one. Also it defeates the purpose of it being a SBR.
Also do you mean HK G21 GPMG or a Glock 21?

Renegade04
06-18-15, 16:16
No problem. I think his sling is from a old 2 piece military tent packing strap.
Why would you want a moderator (besides cool factor)? I find that a A1 flash hider does wonders and is $2000 cheaper than a moderator and $35-45 cheaper than a fake one. Also it defeates the purpose of it being a SBR.
Also do you mean HK G21 GPMG or a Glock 21?

The sling is an original Vietnam era used OD nylon M14 sling (from What-A-Country). As far as the issue with the moderator, I would not recommend going that route in your restoration process. Unless you want to go with a 10" barrel and get a real XM moderator (http://www.innovativeindustriesllc.com/products/xm177-moderator) as these are both NFA items, I would just stick with a 11.5" or 12.5" barrel.

SW CQB 45
06-18-15, 17:23
No problem. I think his sling is from a old 2 piece military tent packing strap.
Why would you want a moderator (besides cool factor)? I find that a A1 flash hider does wonders and is $2000 cheaper than a moderator and $35-45 cheaper than a fake one. Also it defeates the purpose of it being a SBR.
Also do you mean HK G21 GPMG or a Glock 21?

Oh yea...."cheap" is the direction I want to go. I want to return it to a 12.5 as that is what is supposed to be.

Glock 21. We were originally issued G21s in 92 and 93. I was able to get them replaced in 2011. I think I started the process in either 2006 or 2007 and got shot down every year during budget process. We are a 150 officer dept.

ClassIIIGunsmith
06-18-15, 22:50
The sling is an original Vietnam era used OD nylon M14 sling (from What-A-Country). As far as the issue with the moderator, I would not recommend going that route in your restoration process. Unless you want to go with a 10" barrel and get a real XM moderator (http://www.innovativeindustriesllc.com/products/xm177-moderator) as these are both NFA items, I would just stick with a 11.5" or 12.5" barrel.

Ok it didn't look like a m14 sling. It looked like a home solution like the troops did durning vietnam with rubber hose. Also its a SBR already so he would only need approvel for another Form 10 which is no tax and no wait (LE only).

Renegade04
06-19-15, 10:51
Ok it didn't look like a m14 sling. It looked like a home solution like the troops did durning vietnam with rubber hose. Also its a SBR already so he would only need approvel for another Form 10 which is no tax and no wait (LE only).

I reconfigured the sling to work without the clip/swivel. When I was building my XM177E2, I used another one I saw and used it for a reference as to what sling I was going to use.

usmcvet
07-26-15, 07:30
OP

You're kinda all over the place here. You're really running your mouth about something that happened before you were with the PD. you accuse someone of stealing parts then you talk about the PD selling some FA guns to a dealer. Did the PD sell the upper and fire control to the dealer as well? They could have traded the origional upper for the current upper. Both make good sense to me. You can play "what if" all day. But with out the facts you should not be making accusations. It's poor form. especially for a cop. You should know better. It is also common for a PD to take an M16 and replace the FA Fire control with semi auto parts.

Why would you spend department funds to return an A1 to "origional" specs? Why not get a modern upper on the gun. This isn't a museum. This is a tool that should be used by your PD, not a toy to play with. Buy something like a BCM 11.5" upper and call it a day. That's what we did with our A1's.

SW CQB 45
09-08-15, 21:16
OP

Why would you spend department funds to return an A1 to "origional" specs? Why not get a modern upper on the gun. This isn't a museum. This is a tool that should be used by your PD, not a toy to play with. Buy something like a BCM 11.5" upper and call it a day. That's what we did with our A1's.

Well a door came open and I took your advice.

12.5 BCM Upper and returned Full Auto Trigger group. Hammer Pin holes in the frame are a tad sloppy but hopefully KNS pins (on order) will keep it steady.

Have nasal surgery in two days so shooting it is going to have to wait.

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usmcvet
09-15-15, 13:45
Looks like a great set up for your department.

ClassIIIGunsmith
09-20-15, 21:54
Nice just needs a real flash hider like the A1 birdcage. They work better and cheaper than any other flash hiders and compensator I have ever shot seen and heard. $6 at any gun dealers/ pawn shops and they might take that A2 in trade. You might want to change that pistol grip to an A1 so it fits more hands and rifle holds. I might say from personal fun that a MagPul BAD lever is a good investment. But have fun with "your" new toy!