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Koshinn
06-18-15, 02:20
http://i.imgur.com/tQIQ4tE.png

And what matters ain't the "who's baddest," but the
Ones who stop you fallin' from your ladder, 'cause
This ain't no place for no hero.

http://i.imgur.com/tM1AuMT.png

They have AFGs and are holding the magwell. :( That looks like an Inforce WML.

Honu
06-18-15, 04:00
hahaha was going to bring up the old thread and ask who is watching this final season :)

watched both 1 and 2 last night
Oh watching 3 now :) cant wait for the rest !

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-18-15, 05:45
Been watching the old seasons on the treadmill. Better to work out to than 'Deadwood'.... More action, more modern boobs.

Spurholder
06-18-15, 07:06
Looking forward to Season 5.

BTW, Seasons 1 and 2 are available on Amazon Prime TV...for free viewing.

ggammell
06-18-15, 08:54
Season 5 is live now or still forth coming?

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-18-15, 09:18
Season 5 is live now or still forth coming?

IIRC July 11ish, or am I getting that mixed up with Ray Donovan.

An English guy with a an American accent and American playing a Brit.

Spurholder
06-18-15, 09:31
Season 5 (they're calling it Season 4 at Cinemax) premieres at 10pm on July 31st.

It's actually an American guy (who's really half-English) playing a Brit, and an Aussie playing an American.

Honu
06-18-15, 15:29
Sky is ahead of the US so the shows are coming out already :)

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/strike-back/episodes#/season-5/

ThirdWatcher
06-22-15, 04:14
Love that show, wife likes it too.

Voodoo_Man
06-22-15, 06:23
Some of the tactics are pretty dead on, guess they have a good advisor thats up to date.

*possible spoiler*

In ep2 when they are in the tower and the american dude boots the door, brit goes in and does a single 180 degree sweep and hardlines to a wall, thats....pretty ****ing accurate.

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-22-15, 07:53
Sky is ahead of the US so the shows are coming out already :)

http://www.sky.com/tv/show/strike-back/episodes#/season-5/

Are you guys in teh British Isles? I went to the page it talks about having a Sky Id to gain access when you sign up.

Alex V
06-22-15, 08:34
Some of the tactics are pretty dead on, guess they have a good advisor thats up to date.

*possible spoiler*

In ep2 when they are in the tower and the american dude boots the door, brit goes in and does a single 180 degree sweep and hardlines to a wall, thats....pretty ****ing accurate.

From what I remember they have former SAS guys advising them and showing the actors how to hold and move with the guns.

Voodoo_Man
06-22-15, 09:35
From what I remember they have former SAS guys advising them and showing the actors how to hold and move with the guns.

Makes sense, shit looks slick

Koshinn
06-22-15, 14:24
All those mag well holds when they have an afg though

Voodoo_Man
06-22-15, 15:54
All those mag well holds when they have an afg though

Different units teach different different things, specifically rifle holding techniques when clearing rooms/holding on a doorway or whatnot, so its not uncommon.

Alex V
06-22-15, 16:30
All those mag well holds when they have an afg though

It does look odd. My guess is they have whatever guns the producers and prop despertment decided on using for that scene. The actors have no idea what the AFG is for so they just hold the gun the way the were advised. MP5, AK, AR they seem to hold them the same way. Always at the magwell. They were shown once or twice and just apply it to all.

Still, of all the TV shows on today, Strikeback has the best gun play. Hell, this is possibly the only TV show where I have seen the actors reload during a firefight lol. TV will never be perfect, these guys get it good enough to be believable.

Alex V
06-22-15, 16:39
See what I mean?

AK
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/strike-back.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1

M4
http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2012/08/file_194615_0_Strike_Back_Season_2_Episode_3_Preview.jpg

Not really sure what that is
http://image-cdn.zap2it.com/images/strike-back-final-season.jpg

MP something or other
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/5b/Philip-Winchester-in-STRIKE-BACK-Episode-3.01.jpg/500px-Philip-Winchester-in-STRIKE-BACK-Episode-3.01.jpg

FromMyColdDeadHand
06-22-15, 17:48
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv219/RetreatHell/Magpul%20AFG/IMG_9273.jpg


I've always attributed a lot of the holds to the fact that they block the face of the actor and it becomes helmets, guns and eyes and you lose the characters. The support hand out all the way, especially how Costa does it with the over hand grip really hides the face. In pistol the isosceles versus Weaver- the Weaver is more 'photogenic'.

In the pic above with the MP5, unless he's got a red dot on the right side of the gun, I have to think that orientation is probably for blocking (or not blocking) reasons.

I'm sure the Art15 movie will have some fun with the concept.

ETA: Easier for flexing biceps with a magwell hold. I do that when chicks are at the range. Double up on the gun show baby.

Big A
06-22-15, 20:16
See what I mean?

AK (Vz 58 Tacticacl)
https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/strike-back.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1

M4
http://cdn1-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2012/08/file_194615_0_Strike_Back_Season_2_Episode_3_Preview.jpg

Not really sure what that is (Vz 58 SBR in 5.56NATO)
http://image-cdn.zap2it.com/images/strike-back-final-season.jpg

MP something or other (HK G3)
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/5/5b/Philip-Winchester-in-STRIKE-BACK-Episode-3.01.jpg/500px-Philip-Winchester-in-STRIKE-BACK-Episode-3.01.jpg


http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Strike_Back

;)

Alex V
06-22-15, 20:55
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Strike_Back

;)

I live in NJ. I'm lucky I know what an AR is ;-)

Big A
06-22-15, 21:07
I live in NJ. I'm lucky I know what an AR is ;-)

It's all good my friend. I just love that they use CZ Vz 58s on that show. For reasons I don't understand I really like those rifles even though I don't own one and I always want to make sure people know that it's not some AK variant but a CZ Vz 58 :D

Side note, Anyone know where I can find the real season 1 (Chris Ryan's Strike Back) with Andrew Lincoln?

Koshinn
06-22-15, 21:31
Legally? No.

SteyrAUG
06-22-15, 22:12
(HK G3)

;)

Technically a G3K.

Alex V
06-23-15, 10:47
Side note, Anyone know where I can find the real season 1 (Chris Ryan's Strike Back) with Andrew Lincoln?

The 6 episodes of the original series were shown on Cinamax as "Strike Back Origins"

Checking on my Comcast Online OnDemand it is still available. Not sure what service/channel line up you have.

ThirdWatcher
06-25-15, 08:57
The only thing that has prevented me from buying a vz58 is the fact that mags aren't compatible with AKM mags.

FromMyColdDeadHand
07-02-15, 01:15
Ray Donovan wasn't supposed to start until 7/12, but I just watched the first episode of Season 3 "Kalamazoo" on xfinity. Pretty good.

For some reason Xfinity can't find the Strike Back episodes, even though I started one yesterday and it's on my last watched list.

Voodoo_Man
07-14-15, 12:07
*Hands kit pistol, looks like a .380*

"This is yours."

"See that, that's the safety, keep that off."

"See that" *points to trigger finger* "that's your real safety.

"See that?" *points to barrel* "point that at people you don't like and pull the trigger."

Koshinn
07-14-15, 13:21
*Hands kit pistol, looks like a .380*

"This is yours."

"See that, that's the safety, keep that off."

"See that" *points to trigger finger* "that's your real safety.

"See that?" *points to barrel* "point that at people you don't like and pull the trigger."

It was around that moment that I noticed how completely incompetent the opposition was. They're barely more competent than the Iraqis in this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aqopEQr7wI

Koshinn
07-30-15, 18:03
Well... that's it.

That's the end.

One of the better TV series finales I've seen.

SteyrAUG
07-30-15, 18:41
The only thing that has prevented me from buying a vz58 is the fact that mags aren't compatible with AKM mags.

I'll never understand this. Should I have not bought a FAL because it didn't take HK mags? The Vz58 is not a Kalashnikov rifle or a variant. There is no reason why it should take AK mags. One reason it doesn't take AK mags is it actually has a bolt hold open.

Honu
07-30-15, 18:51
watching 9&10 now been another great season wish we had more


Well... that's it.

That's the end.

One of the better TV series finales I've seen.

OK just got done :) I want more !!!! loved this show when I first found it hope more like this keep coming !

MountainRaven
07-30-15, 22:44
It was around that moment that I noticed how completely incompetent the opposition was. They're barely more competent than the Iraqis in this scene:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aqopEQr7wI

I don't think Strike Back is a Michael Mann production, so expecting the bad guys to be slick former SOF-types is probably a bit much.

And frankly, it's probably more realistic that way. ;)


I'll never understand this. Should I have not bought a FAL because it didn't take HK mags? The Vz58 is not a Kalashnikov rifle or a variant. There is no reason why it should take AK mags. One reason it doesn't take AK mags is it actually has a bolt hold open.

One of the reasons I haven't picked up an HK93 (or clone thereof) is because it doesn't take AR-15 magazines.

I suppose - more accurately - because the magazines for them are ridiculously expensive. Now if I could stuff 223/5.56mm into the still dirt-cheap surplus G3 mags, I would be on to something. :D

Koshinn
07-30-15, 22:57
I don't think Strike Back is a Michael Mann production, so expecting the bad guys to be slick former SOF-types is probably a bit much.

And frankly, it's probably more realistic that way. ;)



One of the reasons I haven't picked up an HK93 (or clone thereof) is because it doesn't take AR-15 magazines.

I suppose - more accurately - because the magazines for them are ridiculously expensive. Now if I could stuff 223/5.56mm into the still dirt-cheap surplus G3 mags, I would be on to something. :D

Storm Troopers were more effective fighters than any of the bad guys in Strike Back.

MountainRaven
07-30-15, 23:05
Storm Troopers were more effective fighters than any of the bad guys in Strike Back.

Well, Stormtroopers sacked the rebel base on Hoth and made quick work of the Tantive IV's counter-boarding contingent. Both while taking relatively light casualties despite fighting a hardened, well-trained foe in pre-prepared fighting positions.

The only time they weren't really effective was when they were fighting teddy bears. And let's be honest, them's some pretty small, pretty well camouflaged targets fighting with a superior knowledge of the terrain.

FromMyColdDeadHand
07-30-15, 23:36
Storm Troopers were more effective fighters than any of the bad guys in Strike Back.

Dude, never make an offhand Star Wars comment on the internet. It just starts a nerd-gasm of jedi-like know-it-all-ism devolving into minutia and a eventually endinng with a kick in the balls for George Lucas. George pretty much confirms that if Jesus hadn't been crucified, the second half of his life would have never lived up to his later work, and we'd all be wearing yamakas and Bratwurst would never had been invented- alternate time that MoFo's.

SteyrAUG
07-30-15, 23:40
One of the reasons I haven't picked up an HK93 (or clone thereof) is because it doesn't take AR-15 magazines.

I suppose - more accurately - because the magazines for them are ridiculously expensive. Now if I could stuff 223/5.56mm into the still dirt-cheap surplus G3 mags, I would be on to something. :D

The difference is VZ58 magazines are pretty cheap.

But my point was why would any expect it to take an AK magazine when it is not an AK rifle.

Just because Gun A and Gun B are chambered in the same round doesn't mean they have to use the same magazine.

MountainRaven
07-31-15, 00:16
Dude, never make an offhand Star Wars comment on the internet. It just starts a nerd-gasm of jedi-like know-it-all-ism devolving into minutia and a eventually endinng with a kick in the balls for George Lucas. George pretty much confirms that if Jesus hadn't been crucified, the second half of his life would have never lived up to his later work, and we'd all be wearing yamakas and Bratwurst would never had been invented- alternate time that MoFo's.

I have good reason to suspect that Koshinn knew exactly what he was stepping in with his comment. ;)


The difference is VZ58 magazines are pretty cheap.

But my point was why would any expect it to take an AK magazine when it is not an AK rifle.

Just because Gun A and Gun B are chambered in the same round doesn't mean they have to use the same magazine.

I understood your point. :)

Koshinn
07-31-15, 01:29
Well, Stormtroopers sacked the rebel base on Hoth and made quick work of the Tantive IV's counter-boarding contingent. Both while taking relatively light casualties despite fighting a hardened, well-trained foe in pre-prepared fighting positions.

The only time they weren't really effective was when they were fighting teddy bears. And let's be honest, them's some pretty small, pretty well camouflaged targets fighting with a superior knowledge of the terrain.
Exactly. Stormtroopers, while failing horribly at hitting anything in DS1, on Cloud City, and on Endor, were actually decent at killing Jawas, moisture farmers, and nameless rebels on both Hoth and on the Tantive IV.

You can explain away the DS1 failure as being part of Vader and Tarkin's plan to let them rescue Leia and escape, but not Cloud City. And "an entire legion" of the "best troops" the Empire has to offer couldn't beat those teddy bears on Endor.

The bad guys in Strike Back, however, just shoot randomly, run into the open, and get gunned down. Over and over and over. Damien Scott and Michael Stonebridge each have a kill count that's probably in the hundreds. Yes, they use good tactics and you can assume they're terrific shots, but they would have a tougher time if the opposition consisted of mall cops on segways. At least they'd be more mobile than the guys they normally kill.


Dude, never make an offhand Star Wars comment on the internet. It just starts a nerd-gasm of jedi-like know-it-all-ism devolving into minutia and a eventually endinng with a kick in the balls for George Lucas. George pretty much confirms that if Jesus hadn't been crucified, the second half of his life would have never lived up to his later work, and we'd all be wearing yamakas and Bratwurst would never had been invented- alternate time that MoFo's.


I have good reason to suspect that Koshinn knew exactly what he was stepping in with his comment. ;)

:p

MountainRaven
04-02-16, 17:06
So the DVD is out now and I'm just wrapping it up, now, so... spoilers below.

I'm lost.

Why was the guy - who I don't recall having ever seen before in the series until this season - trying to wipe out Section 20?

I get why Locke would want to kill the guy. I don't get why he's trying to do likewise.

Also:
More rules to add to the list for TV, rules such as, "Never move to Cabot Cove" and "Don't let Starfleet assign you to ops":
-Never agree to command Section 20.
-Never join Section 20 if you're a woman - unless you're on loan from a foreign (non-British) agency.

And finally, it seems to me that if the mercs at the end of the last episode were really more interested in money than the job, they would have given up trying to kill Scott and Stonebridge after the first dozen or two of them were gunned down.

ggammell
04-02-16, 17:11
So the DVD is out now and I'm just wrapping it up, now, so... spoilers below.

I'm lost.

Why was the guy - who I don't recall having ever seen before in the series until this season - trying to wipe out Section 20?

I get why Locke would want to kill the guy. I don't get why he's trying to do likewise.

Also:
More rules to add to the list for TV, rules such as, "Never move to Cabot Cove" and "Don't let Starfleet assign you to ops":
-Never agree to command Section 20.
-Never join Section 20 if you're a woman - unless you're on loan from a foreign (non-British) agency.

And finally, it seems to me that if the mercs at the end of the last episode were really more interested in money than the job, they would have given up trying to kill Scott and Stonebridge after the first dozen or two of them were gunned down.

It was a poorly executed ending to the season let alone the show. The whole thing seemed rushed.

Dienekes
04-02-16, 19:53
so--having watched Seasons 1 and 2 on Amazon Prime, and owning Cinemax Season Three, is Season 4 http://www.amazon.com/Episode-31/dp/B017DZP2IO/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1459644171&sr=8-9&keywords=strike+back+series the next stage currently available for purchase at this time?

How about Season 5?

I see there is a prequel, but Amazon indicates that is non-USA format.

Firefly
04-02-16, 19:59
First off, I'm still in love with the redhead colonel .

Also...I think Section 20 was becoming a lot like SEAL team 6 was in the day and it was ruffling feathers.

I would've shot the hick mercs too.

I'm just glad Scott and Stonebridge had a happy ending.

Also Rick Grimes sold out John Porter

MountainRaven
04-02-16, 20:11
so--having watched Seasons 1 and 2 on Amazon Prime, and owning Cinemax Season Three, is Season 4 http://www.amazon.com/Episode-31/dp/B017DZP2IO/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1459644171&sr=8-9&keywords=strike+back+series the next stage currently available for purchase?

I see there is a prequel, but Amazon indicates that is non-USA format.

Depending on how you count them, the last season is either season four or season five.

The prequel is the show as it originally aired on TV in the UK. After that, it was picked up by Cinemax and thus what we know in the US as the first season is really the second season.

As indicated elsewhere, the British first series isn't available in the US. I'm guessing that this is due to licensing: Perhaps BBC America would normally have rights to US distribution, but because of Cinemax's arrangement with Sky (in the UK), neither Cinemax nor BBC America can distribute it in the US.

Koshinn
04-02-16, 20:11
Also Rick Grimes sold out John Porter

You mean, Rick Grimes sold out Thorin II Oakenshield, son of Thráin, son of Thrór, King under the Mountain

MountainRaven
04-02-16, 20:14
You mean, Rick Grimes sold out Thorin II Oakenshield, son of Thráin, son of Thrór, King under the Mountain

http://i.imgur.com/nido04b.png

Firefly
04-02-16, 20:16
It took two guys to replace Richard Armitage

*mic drop*

FromMyColdDeadHand
04-02-16, 22:07
Yep, I felt like they were running out the clock.