View Full Version : Can casting totally crush what could have been an awesome movie?
ramairthree
07-12-15, 13:50
I am not talking about personal opinions of actors.
I do not like Tom Cruise but he can deliver some charisma and box office profits.
I think Val Kilmer in his day was an insanely good actor and hate to admit admit it but George Clooney can seriously act as well. So could Keaton and so can Christian Bale, but people have various opinions on Batman.
Anyways, I went to see Terminator yesterday. Theater was all but empty. This movie must be seriously under performing. I did not think the movie sucked.
But, some b team player as John Conner? Christ, what were they thinking? And Kyle Reese? For real. Because everyone in the future is running around At about six four and hitting the gym and has zero trace of poor socialization, lack of school, carving out a life desperately day to day. And zero reverse crazy father son chemistry between the two.
The only lesser chemistry was between Reese and Sarah Conner. It was like a gay dude at a strip joint for their chemistry.
Any ways, I remember in the first movie Sarah seemed actually vulnerable, cared, and then in the second truly pulled off the scarred, haunted, role. And Reese was jacked up and not quite all there. A fanatic with beyond ptsd desperate to do his mission.
The casting seemed really off for the third movie to me as well as this one.
Anyways, what other movies do you think totally missed casting wise?
You know, the expendables movies with not have worked with the guys from magnum pi, the a team, and mcguyver. Something just has to work actor and chemistry wise.
They totally jacked up Jack Reacher by casting Cruise. It also missed the beat in other ways, but that was the big one for me.
I agree with you completely. For example, could anyone else REALLY portray the adult Charles Xavier as perfectly as Patrick Stewart? I doubt it.
Yes, Tom Cruise is a nut, but he is an excellent and entertaining actor. I will watch a movie with him in it, simply because it's very, very likely to be decent if not excellent.
For me, Christian Bale was the best Batman thus far, but to your point about casting, look what happened when they had to replace Katie Holmes as Rachel Dawes. Maggie Gyllenhaal? No, sorry. Poor, poor choice.
Brilliant, spot on casting? Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark, Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, Harrison Ford as Han Solo and Indiana Jones.
Here's a near disaster, Burt Reynolds was offered the role of Han Solo...
But when it comes to how an actor comes across and performs and interacts with their co-stars, much of that has to do with the director. If the director isn't there, telling them how to come across, how to feel, how to engage one another, then you end up with zero chemistry.
Or Star Wars Episodes II and III with Hayden Christenson, thanks George.
Or Denise Richards in The World Is Not Enough. Or Kevin Costner in Robin Hood. Sofia Coppola in Godfather III. Jack Black in King Kong. Rosie O'Donnell in The Flintstones...or anything for that matter. Ted Danson in Saving Private Ryan.
FromMyColdDeadHand
07-12-15, 14:55
Individual casting can be bad but the kiss of death is:
'ensemble cast'
Which means they spent all the money on actors and nothing on the script and production.
Averageman
07-12-15, 15:08
Jar Jar Binks.
I rest my case.
ramairthree
07-12-15, 16:13
They totally jacked up Jack Reacher by casting Cruise. It also missed the beat in other ways, but that was the big one for me.
Yeah, I thought preacher was supposed to be more of an unnaturally large and strong, but never go to the gym not good looking sort. Not a little pretty boy.
Yes, Colin Farrel and Jamie Foxx are a big part of why Miami Vice was so terrible.
JBecker 72
07-12-15, 21:19
Yes, Colin Farrel and Jamie Foxx are a big part of why Miami Vice was so terrible.
I generally like Jamie Foxx though.
Oh and Bale was the best Batman by a long shot IMO. As was Heath Ledger as Joker. Nolan did a kick ass job on all 3 Dark Knight movies.
As for casting misses there are too many to count, but Clooney was a horrible Batman, that one sticks out to me as one of the all time worst performances.
I generally like Jamie Foxx though.
Oh and Bale was the best Batman by a long shot IMO. As was Heath Ledger as Joker. Nolan did a kick ass job on all 3 Dark Knight movies.
As for casting misses there are too many to count, but Clooney was a horrible Batman, that one sticks out to me as one of the all time worst performances.
I like Foxx too, he was great in Collateral. He just made a horrible Tubbs. In fact almost everyone in Miami Vice was horribly cast. I actually hated Trudy and Gina. Of course the worst was casting Gong Li (and I'm a huge fan of her stuff) as a Cuban? So either she was supposed to be actually Cuban (hispanic) for a giant WTF or she was supposed to be a Cuban raised Asian who just happened to be part of a huge narco operation which is another giant WTF? They also managed to make her look like shit despite being an incredibly attractive female.
The entire movie was a giant mess. Instead of being Michael Mann's crowning achievement, which it could have easily been, it ended up being one of the worst things he ever did. The only thing that wasn't terrible was the new theme music, and trust me I'm partial to the original theme music so I'm being incredibly objective with my opinions of this film.
Could agree more regarding Bale and Ledger as the best Batman and Joker...ever. Clooney generally sucks at everything. Val Kilmer was a pretty horrible Batman as well.
BoringGuy45
07-13-15, 01:08
Casting most often crushes movies when the movie is no more than a vehicle for the cast. The vast majority of Johnny Depp movies suffer from this: Almost every one is an excuse to cast him as a neurotic weirdo in freaky white makeup (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland, Dark Shadows, etc). Another example is The Tourist. Basically, it was an overdone premise with a twist ending I saw coming from the very beginning that was marketed as "It stars Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie. What else did you want?" The vast majority of movie watchers want a good movie; they couldn't give a crap who was starting in the movie so long as the actor pulls it off well.
I guess casting can ruin it IMHO its just that really so many of the so called actors SUCK and SUCK big time and were only good in one role usually the first one and then you find they are very narrow in there ability cause they cant act to save themselves :)
only a few actors I dont think OH its the actor playing a role ! most have the scripts written to take them into account which also then ruins the movie these days
some sucked but worked on it and can do OK in certain things like action some can cross over but few can
MountainRaven
07-13-15, 14:17
I like Foxx too, he was great in Collateral. He just made a horrible Tubbs. In fact almost everyone in Miami Vice was horribly cast. I actually hated Trudy and Gina. Of course the worst was casting Gong Li (and I'm a huge fan of her stuff) as a Cuban? So either she was supposed to be actually Cuban (hispanic) for a giant WTF or she was supposed to be a Cuban raised Asian who just happened to be part of a huge narco operation which is another giant WTF? They also managed to make her look like shit despite being an incredibly attractive female.
The entire movie was a giant mess. Instead of being Michael Mann's crowning achievement, which it could have easily been, it ended up being one of the worst things he ever did. The only thing that wasn't terrible was the new theme music, and trust me I'm partial to the original theme music so I'm being incredibly objective with my opinions of this film.
Could agree more regarding Bale and Ledger as the best Batman and Joker...ever. Clooney generally sucks at everything. Val Kilmer was a pretty horrible Batman as well.
Lieutenant Castillo will always be Edward James Olmos.
Nothing against Barry Shabaka Henley, but he's no Eddy Olmos.
Ryan Reynolds cast in just about anything ruins it for me. Deadpool should be different considering the character mimics Reynolds' general attitude.
For me, Christian Bale was the best Batman thus far...
In my mind he'll always be Patrick Bateman.
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Lieutenant Castillo will always be Edward James Olmos.
Nothing against Barry Shabaka Henley, but he's no Eddy Olmos.
That too. There is so much wrong with the film that I really didn't want to open all the cans of worms.
In my mind he'll always be Patrick Bateman.
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"Look at that subtle colouring. The tasteful thickness."
His face creases in horror.
"Oh my God. It even has a watermark."
Classic!
In my mind he'll always be Patrick Bateman.
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That reminds me, I have to return some videotapes.
Yeah, American Psycho really was genius. I can't imagine anyone else pulling it off as well.
I can think of a couple dozen guys who would have screwed it up dramatically.
Casting most often crushes movies when the movie is no more than a vehicle for the cast. The vast majority of Johnny Depp movies suffer from this: Almost every one is an excuse to cast him as a neurotic weirdo in freaky white makeup (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland, Dark Shadows, etc). Another example is The Tourist. Basically, it was an overdone premise with a twist ending I saw coming from the very beginning that was marketed as "It stars Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie. What else did you want?" The vast majority of movie watchers want a good movie; they couldn't give a crap who was starting in the movie so long as the actor pulls it off well.
I think the problem there is more of one with Tim Burton than Depp. Pretty much without exception Tim Burton movies suck, which is one of the reasons Batman Returns was so horrible and why Batman had so many things wrong with it. Really Michael Keaton saved the first one from it's many flaws but it could have been so much better without Burton being involved.
The only thing Burton did a decent job on was Ed Wood (coincidentally also starring Depp) and that only worked because Burton is so damn weird he related to the subject matter very well. Sleepy Hallow and Mars Attacks are the only other things he did that actually worked and both might have been better without his involvement. Weird, stupid and campy rarely result in a good film and that is what Burton knows and that is the only thing he knows.
When you get Johnny Depp away from Tim Burton, he can do films like Public Enemies and Blow. If you get him involved in a bad film, like The Lone Ranger, he isn't capable of saving it but if you get him in a good film with a good director, he can knock it out of the park as well as anyone.
Seeing what he did with Michael Mann in "Public Enemies" I have to wonder what might have been if he was given "Miami Vice." And of course "Blow" was just amazing. I also thought he did a great job in Donnie Brasco.
Yeah, American Psycho really was genius. I can't imagine anyone else pulling it off as well.
I can think of a couple dozen guys who would have screwed it up dramatically.
Having watched "Empire Of The Sun" numerous times, it was probably 15 years before I realized Jim was played by Christian Bale. It was then I actually began to appreciate his acting talent.
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Going waaay back here. In the Matt Helm books the title character was the most serious, competent tough CQB agent alive. So of course they get Dean Martin to play him as a smug, laughing man-child with a martini glass instead of a knife.
Amongst current actors, Leonard DiCaprio is the guy I can't stand. Makes many good flicks, which IMO would all be better with someone else.
Going waaay back here. In the Matt Helm books the title character was the most serious, competent tough CQB agent alive. So of course they get Dean Martin to play him as a smug, laughing man-child with a martini glass instead of a knife.
Amongst current actors, Leonard DiCaprio is the guy I can't stand. Makes many good flicks, which IMO would all be better with someone else.
I tend to agree with you on Dicaprio, Maybe it has something to do going as far back as Titanic. Though in The Departed I developed a new respect for the man as an actor. And he does have the decency to die on a regular basis, so maybe that has mellowed me some, lol. Inception was okay as well, and Shutter Island he played well too, most of his other roles I haven't been a huge fan of, but then again they aren't in genres I generally get excited over, which is why I deleted about half of this post since I was about to rant over a pair of genres which I generally think completely suck in modern cinema.
Casting tragedy was Mark Wahlberg as Bob Lee Swagger. Are you f-ing kidding me? One of, if not the, best books of the genre, Point Of Impact, which if it had been made by a solid director and a good cast, would have been a classic. The cliche "the book was better" takes on a whole new meaning on this one.
Eastwood directing and Tommy Lee Jones as Bob Lee Swagger would have done the book justice, maybe.
Eastwood directing and Tommy Lee Jones as Bob Lee Swagger would have done the book justice, maybe.
That could have been epic. There are a couple other actors who could have pulled things off as well, but yeah, I could see it. Would have been honest to the book too, which was ****ing great. And what the **** was with making Memphis an incompetent moron? I mean in the book he was HRT after all. No small feat that. Instead we get a movie that is remembered because of pretty much one quote, otherwise no one would have remembered it.
That movie was pretty much dead to me the moment I realized there was to be no more cheytac porn in it.
Casting tragedy was Mark Wahlberg as Bob Lee Swagger. Are you f-ing kidding me? One of, if not the, best books of the genre, Point Of Impact, which if it had been made by a solid director and a good cast, would have been a classic. The cliche "the book was better" takes on a whole new meaning on this one.
Eastwood directing and Tommy Lee Jones as Bob Lee Swagger would have done the book justice, maybe.
Could have been worse, might have gotten Colin Farrell.
Having watched "Empire Of The Sun" numerous times, it was probably 15 years before I realized Jim was played by Christian Bale. It was then I actually began to appreciate his acting talent.
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Reign of Fire was when I noticed it was the same person. But American Psycho is when he really put everyone else on notice. American Hustle proved it wasn't a fluke.
JBecker 72
07-13-15, 21:12
I tend to agree with you on Dicaprio, Maybe it has something to do going as far back as Titanic. Though in The Departed I developed a new respect for the man as an actor. And he does have the decency to die on a regular basis, so maybe that has mellowed me some, lol. Inception was okay as well, and Shutter Island he played well too, most of his other roles I haven't been a huge fan of, but then again they aren't in genres I generally get excited over, which is why I deleted about half of this post since I was about to rant over a pair of genres which I generally think completely suck in modern cinema.
Did you see Wolf of Wall Street? He killed it in that role.
Reign of Fire was when I noticed it was the same person. But American Psycho is when he really put everyone else on notice. American Hustle proved it wasn't a fluke.
Steyr. Serious question, since I have Reign of Fire sitting here to be watched. Is it worth the watch? I got like 15 minutes in it last time I tried, but ended up getting busy with other stuff and was lukewarm at that part. Though the 300 fan in me got excited when they saw Butler in it. Lol.
Did you see Wolf of Wall Street? He killed it in that role.
It is on my list. But I haven't seen it yet, but have head good things about it. Didn't wish to list something that I hadn't sat down to watch.
Steyr. Serious question, since I have Reign of Fire sitting here to be watched. Is it worth the watch? I got like 15 minutes in it last time I tried, but ended up getting busy with other stuff and was lukewarm at that part. Though the 300 fan in me got excited when they saw Butler in it. Lol.
In a word, No.
It is basically a big budget Sci-Fi channel original movie. Something that never should have been done by a major studio nor have the star power it had.
BoringGuy45
07-13-15, 21:47
Casting tragedy was Mark Wahlberg as Bob Lee Swagger. Are you f-ing kidding me? One of, if not the, best books of the genre, Point Of Impact, which if it had been made by a solid director and a good cast, would have been a classic. The cliche "the book was better" takes on a whole new meaning on this one.
Eastwood directing and Tommy Lee Jones as Bob Lee Swagger would have done the book justice, maybe.
The problem with the movie was basically that it was the director saying he wishes someone would please just step up and start killing Republicans. During the Bush years, Hollywood was obsessed with the fantasy that the military was largely made up of servicemen harboring the same leftist views and opposition to the wars as they did, and wanted nothing more than to storm the White House and put two in Bush's skull. Shooter was turned into yet another one of those movies.
Steyr. Serious question, since I have Reign of Fire sitting here to be watched. Is it worth the watch? I got like 15 minutes in it last time I tried, but ended up getting busy with other stuff and was lukewarm at that part. Though the 300 fan in me got excited when they saw Butler in it. Lol.
Absolutely. Treat it like a Godzilla movie and you'll be fine.
It's got an interesting back story regarding dinosaurs, dragons and the KT event. Clever movie with a few intelligent twists. Nothing more than that, but still better than anything released this summer.
Averageman
07-13-15, 23:21
Going waaay back here. In the Matt Helm books the title character was the most serious, competent tough CQB agent alive. So of course they get Dean Martin to play him as a smug, laughing man-child with a martini glass instead of a knife.
Should have been Steve McQueen.
In a word, No.
It is basically a big budget Sci-Fi channel original movie. Something that never should have been done by a major studio nor have the star power it had.
I actually liked it and have watched it more than once. The fatal flaw was how the entire military failed to stop their spread but once they had dominated everything a "rag tag" group came along and saved the day based upon some information that shouldn't have been hard to figure out nor did it significantly change anything.
That was my only problem with it.
Steyr. Serious question, since I have Reign of Fire sitting here to be watched. Is it worth the watch? I got like 15 minutes in it last time I tried, but ended up getting busy with other stuff and was lukewarm at that part. Though the 300 fan in me got excited when they saw Butler in it. Lol.
Think of it as bubble gum for your brain. Something to do while not thinking hard about it...
I actually liked it and have watched it more than once. The fatal flaw was how the entire military failed to stop their spread but once they had dominated everything a "rag tag" group came along and saved the day based upon some information that shouldn't have been hard to figure out nor did it significantly change anything.
That was my only problem with it.
Well you are the forum's resident film critic MP5 ninja but I still stand by my opinion of it. :)
Doc Safari
07-14-15, 15:58
I'm glad Tom Selleck did not get the role of Indiana Jones.
Having said that, Shia LeBeouf doesn't belong in any Indiana Jones movie either.
I always wonder what the movie Heat would have been if DeNiro and Pacino had switched roles.
I'm glad Tom Selleck did not get the role of Indiana Jones.
Having said that, Shia LeBeouf doesn't belong in any Indiana Jones movie either.
I always wonder what the movie Heat would have been if DeNiro and Pacino had switched roles.
Shia LaBeouf has ruined just about every movie except Fury.
Heat was perfect. I think they could have pulled it off but Deniro plays a better bad guy most of the time.
I try not to ponder such things that could ruin perfection. :D
Denzel Washington can make or break a movie.
Christian Bale and Russell Crowe made 3:10 to Yuma. Bale and Wahlberg in The Fighter.
Both of those could have been a lot worse.
Kevin Costner and Dennis Quade ruined Wyatt Earp but Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were good in Tombstone.
Doc Safari
07-14-15, 16:19
Costner ruined Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves also.
I could never see Timothy Dalton as James Bond, either.
I know I'll get tomatoes thrown at me for this, but Daniel Craig does not make a good Bond, either.
Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. Roger Moore was okay.
Costner ruined Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves also.
If we tally it up. I'd guess Costner has ruined far more movies than he's improved. Most underrated and little known Costner movie: Revenge. If you have not seen it, see it. It was totally ignored and it's quite good.
I could never see Timothy Dalton as James Bond, either.
That was major fail.
I know I'll get tomatoes thrown at me for this, but Daniel Craig does not make a good Bond, either.
I think he's done a solid job of the modern Bond. I think they have not given him that much to work with.
Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. Roger Moore was okay.
That's were you totally lose me. Pierce was one of the worst. "On paper" he seemed perfect for it, but on screen, not so much. Roger Moore was in some of the all time best Bond movies. Live and Let Die, the all time classic Bond movie. I really liked View to a Kill also.
Doc Safari
07-14-15, 16:58
Roger Moore was in some of the all time best Bond movies. Live and Let Die, the all time classic Bond movie. I really liked View to a Kill also.
I'll take "For Your Eyes Only" or "Goldfinger" as the best all-time Bond movies.
WickedWillis
07-14-15, 16:59
Costner ruined Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves also.
I could never see Timothy Dalton as James Bond, either.
I know I'll get tomatoes thrown at me for this, but Daniel Craig does not make a good Bond, either.
Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. Roger Moore was okay.
I have no idea how someone can say Brosnan is better than Craig. His films derailed the franchise. Dude looked the part, but nothing else. I agree with all the other stuff you said though.
If we tally it up. I'd guess Costner has ruined far more movies than he's improved. Most underrated and little known Costner movie: Revenge. If you have not seen it, see it. It was totally ignored and it's quite good.
Revenge is the hottest Madeleine Stowe has ever been in her entire life.
Revenge is the hottest Madeleine Stowe has ever been in her entire life.
There's just something about her that's for sure. That was one of his best movies that was totally ignored then and now. It was not the image people wanted see for Costner and way to dark and serious for most I guess.
Absolutely. Treat it like a Godzilla movie and you'll be fine.
It's got an interesting back story regarding dinosaurs, dragons and the KT event. Clever movie with a few intelligent twists. Nothing more than that, but still better than anything released this summer.
Sounds like the advice I gave myself when going into Doom. I expected it to, well to put things bluntly, I expected it to completely suck giant mutant donkey cock seeing as it was based on a video game. Was actually pleasantly surprised, not a world shattering movie, but an entertaining action flick.
Sounds like the advice I gave myself when going into Doom. I expected it to, well to put things bluntly, I expected it to completely suck giant mutant donkey cock seeing as it was based on a video game. Was actually pleasantly surprised, not a world shattering movie, but an entertaining action flick.
Except it could have been awesome. Demon spawned monsters from hell, giant flying eyeballs that shoot plasma bombs? But know, we get some mickey mouse BS about a virus. The level of fail isn't even quantifiable.
I'm glad Tom Selleck did not get the role of Indiana Jones.
Having said that, Shia LeBeouf doesn't belong in any Indiana Jones movie either.
Supposedly Chris Pratt will be donning the fedora and bull whip:
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I could never see Timothy Dalton as James Bond, either.
I know I'll get tomatoes thrown at me for this, but Daniel Craig does not make a good Bond, either.
Sean Connery and Pierce Brosnan were the best Bonds. Roger Moore was okay.
Don't know if you know this but Dalton wasn't supposed to be Bond. The Living Daylights was supposed to be Brosnan's first but because of his Remington Steele commitment he couldn't do the film. The studio had done promo posters and everything with his face on it but his show got renewed by NBC at the very last second before his contract expired and the studio ended up going with Dalton.
The Living Daylights was supposed to bring the character back to the way Bond is portrayed in the books, darker and more macabre. In the books failure isn't an option for Bond and Death is always nipping at his heels and the Craig movies have (thankfully) gotten back to this formula. The only one of the new ones I didn't like was Quantum of Solace. Two hours of crap until you get to the end and he gets revenge for Vesper.
With the exception of Goldeneye (Fun fan trivia, that's the name of Fleming's estate in Jamaica) the Brosnan films were just bad. He tried to capture the dashing screen presence of Connery and tried to blend it with the cheeky pun humor of Moore and it just didn't work. And the worst one was Die Another Day which was just a remake of Diamonds Are Forever only they used the nation state equivalent of a mentally handicapped adult, North Korea, as the bad guys.
More fun Bond fan trivia for y'all:
Who is the only singer to do three of the Bond films theme songs?
MountainRaven
07-14-15, 21:25
I liked Brosnan, but GoldenEye was my first Bond film. And virtually all his other movies were... not especially good. Die Another Day was terrible. Tomorrow Never Dies was the Mission Impossible II of Bond films - a good action flick but a bad Bond movie. The World Is Not Enough was OK.
I actually quite liked Dalton and I like Craig. I think Idris Alba - if he gets the role - will be awesome.
I can hardly stand Roger Moore. Except in Hot Fuzz. But then, he wasn't Bond in that one.
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 11:11
I can hardly stand Roger Moore. Except in Hot Fuzz. But then, he wasn't Bond in that one.
Timothy Dalton was in Hot Fuzz
Spurholder
07-15-15, 11:46
Philip Winchester will be the next Bond.
(I just made that up, but he'd do just as good a job as every other Bond...save Connery).
Philip Winchester will be the next Bond.
(I just made that up, but he'd do just as good a job as every other Bond...save Connery).
As much as I would like to see him as Bond, or hell in pretty much any bad ass role. I have a feeling that there is a very small chance that they'd let an American play Bond.
Spurholder
07-15-15, 11:54
As much as I would like to see him as Bond, or hell in pretty much any bad ass role. I have a feeling that there is a very small chance that they'd let an American play Bond.
His mommy's a Brit.
His mommy's a Brit.
I still don't think they'd let him, just because where he was born. Will happily be wrong though if he were cast because I do love watching him and really hope to see him in more roles since at least in Strikeback he has been awesome.
Spurholder
07-15-15, 12:01
I still don't think they'd let him, just because where he was born. Will happily be wrong though if he were cast because I do love watching him and really hope to see him in more roles since at least in Strikeback he has been awesome.
Looks like he'll be back on US network TV in the fall with Wesley Snipes...a show called "The Player."
Looks like he'll be back on US network TV in the fall with Wesley Snipes...a show called "The Player."
May check it out. But it will be one of things I will only be watching because I like him. Kind of like the Bourne Legacy which I, and a couple friends, only watched because Jeremy Renner was in it.
sniperfrog
07-15-15, 14:43
I don't think anyone has mentioned Batman vs Superman. I know it won't be out for a year but the casting choice has me very disappointed. Of course Ben Affleck as Batman sucks for many reasons but that kid from Zombieland is a shitty choice for Lex Luther. Then there's Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. She looks like she went on a diet of celery sticks and cocaine to get ready for the role.
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 14:49
I don't think anyone has mentioned Batman vs Superman. I know it won't be out for a year but the casting choice has me very disappointed. Of course Ben Affleck as Batman sucks for many reasons but that kid from Zombieland is a shitty choice for Lex Luther. Then there's Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. She looks like she went on a diet of celery sticks and cocaine to get ready for the role.
Ben Affleck is the most perfect Bruce Wayne I have ever seen just from that trailer. How he will do as Batman though remains to be seen.
JBecker 72
07-15-15, 17:02
I think Daniel Craig is a great Bond to be honest. Casino Royale and Skyfall were pretty good. The middle one not so much though.
Yeah and Ben Affleck as Batman has me concerned, but I'll hold my judgement until it's out.
Chris Pratt as Indiana Jones sounds pretty awesome to me.
I'm also hoping Jared Leto pulls off the Joker well in Suicide Squad. He is a pretty damn good actor IMO. But Ledger knocked that role out of the park.
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 18:18
I'm also hoping Jared Leto pulls off the Joker well in Suicide Squad. He is a pretty damn good actor IMO. But Ledger knocked that role out of the park.
He is a brilliant actor. I just hate the direction they are going with his character. Super cheap looking tattoos, and that grill. I'm a huge Batman geek.
I think Daniel Craig is a great Bond to be honest. Casino Royale and Skyfall were pretty good. The middle one not so much though.
Yeah and Ben Affleck as Batman has me concerned, but I'll hold my judgement until it's out.
Chris Pratt as Indiana Jones sounds pretty awesome to me.
I'm also hoping Jared Leto pulls off the Joker well in Suicide Squad. He is a pretty damn good actor IMO. But Ledger knocked that role out of the park.
Just about anything with Affleck has me concerned and I'll avoid it because he's (1) a huge D nozzle for a human being and (2) very sub par actor in all but few movies I have seen him in. As Batman, his being in it is a deal killer. I'm done with that franchise as it's run its course for me. Your mileage may vary.
MountainRaven
07-15-15, 21:12
Timothy Dalton was in Hot Fuzz
Wait.
Who am I thinking of?
Oh, yeah. It was Dalton.
OK. I don't like Roger Moore at all. :P
Ben Affleck is the most perfect Bruce Wayne I have ever seen just from that trailer. How he will do as Batman though remains to be seen.
This.
I took a wait-and-see approach on Batfleck and I'm pleasantly surprised by what I have seen so far.
I still have not been sold on Gal as Wonder Woman and am leaning toward it being bad.
And Sniper's right about the guy playing Lex Luther. I heard a rumor about Dwayne Johnson playing Lex Luther a year or so ago and thought he would be excellent in the role.
He is a brilliant actor. I just hate the direction they are going with his character. Super cheap looking tattoos, and that grill. I'm a huge Batman geek.
I like Leto as well. I also like his music, for whatever reason it seem to speak to me. Maybe I just weird. But if they cast him as the Joker, since this is the first I have heard of it, I may go and see it to see him in the role. I don't think he could top Ledger, but I think he could do respect to the role given a chance.
All that said, the only thing I don't quite care for with the man is his vegan persuasion, then again I have never heard of him pushing it as much as him just choosing it as a personal choice which I can respect.
As far as Afflect.... I liked him in The Town so there is that. Can't think of shit other than Daredevil in which he was in otherwise. Though the fact Farrell was in that one will instantly make it a bad movie for some, lol.
JBecker 72
07-15-15, 21:54
Affleck does an awesome job playing a south Boston "bro". Outside that, it's kinda dicey.
JBecker 72
07-15-15, 21:55
Oh and the Suicide Squad trailer with Leto.
http://youtu.be/PLLQK9la6Go
Oh and the Suicide Squad trailer with Leto.
http://youtu.be/PLLQK9la6Go
Ans here I thought it was just some hollywood movie based on the Suicide Girls. Looks like it could be alright. lol.
JBecker 72
07-16-15, 07:34
I do like me some Harley Quinn as well. It looks like it will be worth seeing. But I'm a big nerd who loves comics.
Crow Hunter
07-16-15, 13:04
Supposedly Chris Pratt will be donning the fedora and bull whip:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=chris+pratt+as+indiana+jones&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IENTSR
Ha!
My wife and I had never watched a movie with Chris Pratt in it (that we were aware of) until seeing Guardians of the Galaxy.
We both actually talked about how he would make an awesome Indiana Jones after watching Guardians.
Ironic.
Ha!
My wife and I had never watched a movie with Chris Pratt in it (that we were aware of) until seeing Guardians of the Galaxy.
We both actually talked about how he would make an awesome Indiana Jones after watching Guardians.
Ironic.
He played one of the SEALs in Zero Dark Thirty.
With him possibly doing Indy there rumors that he could end up playing a young Han Solo in some of these one shot Star Wars movies they are planning.
Grand58742
07-16-15, 21:10
If we tally it up. I'd guess Costner has ruined far more movies than he's improved. Most underrated and little known Costner movie: Revenge. If you have not seen it, see it. It was totally ignored and it's quite good.
I'll disagree. Most underrated Costner movie? Tin Cup. You normally see him in this very serious roles and it was good to see him break out of the mold into comedy.
MountainRaven
08-01-15, 22:03
I like Foxx too, he was great in Collateral. He just made a horrible Tubbs. In fact almost everyone in Miami Vice was horribly cast. I actually hated Trudy and Gina. Of course the worst was casting Gong Li (and I'm a huge fan of her stuff) as a Cuban? So either she was supposed to be actually Cuban (hispanic) for a giant WTF or she was supposed to be a Cuban raised Asian who just happened to be part of a huge narco operation which is another giant WTF? They also managed to make her look like shit despite being an incredibly attractive female.
The entire movie was a giant mess. Instead of being Michael Mann's crowning achievement, which it could have easily been, it ended up being one of the worst things he ever did. The only thing that wasn't terrible was the new theme music, and trust me I'm partial to the original theme music so I'm being incredibly objective with my opinions of this film.
Could agree more regarding Bale and Ledger as the best Batman and Joker...ever. Clooney generally sucks at everything. Val Kilmer was a pretty horrible Batman as well.
Rewatching the movie right now, as I've been working my way through Michael Mann's action films (Thief is on Netflix, for those who haven't seen his first movie, and it's quite good. Comes complete with state of the art 1980 Jeff Cooper/Gunsite gunplay). I had always reckoned that Gong Li's ethnicity is easily explained: Cuba is communist, China is communist, communist countries tend to be chummy, being an endangered species. I'd guess her mother was a Chinese national working at the Chinese embassy, her father is Cuban. So she holds citizenship both in Cuba and in China, with her Chinese citizenship allowing her access to the halls of education in Europe.
Given that Montoya's operation has hands in everything, she may have become involved through a more benign mode. Or perhaps the fact that she "doesn't do business" in Cuba might indicate that she may have worked for Cuba's intelligence services (perhaps even while in college in Europe), which in turn gave her access to criminal contacts which got her into Montoya's sphere. Given her propensity to sleep with guys she's doing business with, she may have met Montoya in school, fallen in love, and followed him into the criminal stratosphere - her mixed Hispanic-Chinese background and European education giving her a unique combination of an understanding of Hispanic culture, an appearance that does not bely her background (people will treat her differently because she doesn't look Hispanic), &c., &c., &c.
Yeah, that makes her a bit of a special snowflake. But such things do exist, so it's not implausible.
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