new to suppressors suggestions?? [Archive]

stx.dead.I

07-14-15, 19:42

I have a couple firearms that I would like to suppress. The main ones would be 5.56 but I also have a glock .22lr conversion that Id like to use. 1)---Is it possible that a .223 suppressor works with .22lr? I don't see why not but want a confirmation.

Now the ar15s, one is a 10.5" and the other is an 18". I don't really know what Im looking for in one but would really like to only have to buy one since they are such a pita to tax stamp (waiting a year and all the paperwork). I like the shorter suppressors more than longer since it'd be used on an sbr ask me questions to help figure out what fits my needs and wants and ill respond pretty quicky.

stx.dead.I

07-14-15, 19:47

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foxtrotx1

07-14-15, 20:23

With one can for multiple rifles I don't think you can go wrong with the SiCo Omega. Multiple end caps for different calibers/applications, lightweight, great warranty, adaptable mounting solutions, short and proving to be one of the quieter cans out there.

It's generally a bad idea to try and suppress .22s with a center fire can. .22s are really dirty and will jam up sealed cans with both lead and powder. Also, rifle cans are considered far to large and heavy to be anykind of practical for .22 handgun use.

Once you buy one can, you will want another. Between an adaptable .30cal can and a .22 can you cover a wide spectrum of firearms.

If you are suppressing that 18 inch rifle, your arms will really appreciate a lightweight can. Hanging 20+ ounces off the muzzle at that distance isn't great.

stx.dead.I

07-14-15, 20:45

ok,so only centerfire suppression now. Ill probably go designated 5.56 can then

foxtrotx1

07-14-15, 22:40

ok,so only centerfire suppression now. Ill probably go designated 5.56 can then

I think most of the advice you will get here would be to stay away from a designated 5.56 can as a first can. With today's modular cans, .30 makes a ton of sense. You can simply change the end cap diameter and end up with BETTER suppression than you had with a designated can, simply due to the greater internal volume. 5.56 is not exactly quiet with a can (still very loud) so having options is nice (.308, .300blk etc).

stx.dead.I

07-14-15, 23:35

I've been looking at the omega that is only one can size just different end caps right?

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stx.dead.I

07-14-15, 23:39

I'm liking the omega so far

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sidewaysil80

07-15-15, 00:24

My first (and only) suppressor purchase was the AAC SDN-6; very VERY happy with the results. It works incredibly well with 300blk/.308 however I have been using it mostly on a 5.56 SBR. When shooting next to friends with dedicated 5.56 cans, there really is no discernible difference. I'm sure there is a decibel difference if you were monitoring it with equipment, but to the naked ear they all sound the same when we are shooting.

PatrioticDisorder

07-15-15, 07:14

I've never believed in buying a .30 cal can to suppress a 5.56, as it is less than optimal for that platform generally due to size. However if you're on a shoe string budget and only plan to buy 1 suppressor, I guess it may be ok. How often do you shoot .308? If rarely or never, why bother with a .30 cal can? Most people likely shoot 5.56 to .308 at a 10:1 ratio or higher. As I recently heard in SiCo's last YouTube video, "getting a suppressor is like getting s tattoo, once you have one, you gotta have more." I really don't believe in hosts sharing cans, 1 can per host, that is my rule.

Sure fire SOCOM RC's can be had for $799 right now + stamp and transfer fee, I'd buy one of those.

SteveL

07-15-15, 08:01

I'm also not big on the idea of buying a .30 cal can just because, for all the reasons laid out by PatriotucDisorder. If you already have a .308, .300 blk, 6.8, etc. I can understand going this route for your first one, but if this is not the case then I recommend going with a dedicated 5.56 model.

H Wyman

07-15-15, 08:22

I really don't believe in hosts sharing cans, 1 can per host, that is my rule.

Agreed...

You can also reduce cost, weight and length purchasing a direct thread model.

stx.dead.I

07-15-15, 14:09

So why are yall against sharing cans for different calibers?

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BigWaylon

07-15-15, 14:17

So why are yall against sharing cans for different calibers?
It's mainly because buying a can for a bigger caliber often means you're running a longer/heavier suppressor than you need.

Having dedicated cans for hosts works best, but there's nothing wrong with buying the bigger can and using it for multiple applications. Suppression wise, it works out about the same. The gain in suppression from having a larger internal volume is equalized by the loss of suppression by having an oversized bore. The larger volume often gives you a lower tone, which many people find more pleasant.

stx.dead.I

07-15-15, 14:21

BigWaylon

07-15-15, 14:29

So the main diff is savings in weight/length

But the omega is 14.##oz can with a 30 cal. It's lighter or as light as most 22 cans I've seen also only 7 in long so it's got the length and weight of 22
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Correct. The explanation is mainly due to considering the 5.56 and 7.62 versions of the same can.

You can definitely buy a Ti 7.62 can that's lighter than a stainless 5.56 can. The Omega is obviously lighter than many cans on the market, but also comes with barrel length limitations that others don't.

stx.dead.I

07-15-15, 15:15

Correct. The explanation is mainly due to considering the 5.56 and 7.62 versions of the same can.

You can definitely buy a Ti 7.62 can that's lighter than a stainless 5.56 can. The Omega is obviously lighter than many cans on the market, but also comes with barrel length limitations that others don't.
But a 10" 5.56 8" 300blk and 16"7.62 how much shorter would anyone want to go?

Not trying to come across wrong. I appreciate the feedback and have zero experience with cans so I am just trying to get all the arguments for and against it taken care of
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kaltesherz

07-15-15, 15:41

My advice is to figure out what features are most important to you and do research (which apparently you're already doing).

I made the mistake of of only considering noise suppression on my first can, so while it was a little quieter than others it's extremely heavy, long, and has terrible blow back. I then bought a Mini, which was much better in those regards but had issues with muzzle flash, especially on my SBR. So now I mostly use a mid length can that's great as suppressing noise and flash, plus has minimal blowback and a great mounting system.

So what I'm saying is buy a SOCOM RC for $799, 'cause that's a steal on an amazing can.

Because of NFA's PITA rules, you're basically stuck with whatever cans you buy, so don't cheap out or impulse buy. If you can shoot friend's suppressors to give you a better impression of what to expect.

BigWaylon

07-15-15, 16:28

But a 10" 5.56 8" 300blk and 16"7.62 how much shorter would anyone want to go?

Not trying to come across wrong. I appreciate the feedback and have zero experience with cans so I am just trying to get all the arguments for and against it taken care of
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My 12" 6.8 SBR would be the first example. They rate the Omega to a 16" minimum for 6.8, no idea why. Lots of 11"-13" 6.8 SBRs in the woods.

And although I wouldn't buy/build one, there aree a massive number of 7.5" 5.56 SBRs out there.

I agree it's not an issue for most people, but with some other cans it's not even anything to think twice about.

Shagnasty

07-15-15, 17:49

It's mainly because buying a can for a bigger caliber often means you're running a longer/heavier suppressor than you need.

Having dedicated cans for hosts works best, but there's nothing wrong with buying the bigger can and using it for multiple applications. Suppression wise, it works out about the same. The gain in suppression from having a larger internal volume is equalized by the loss of suppression by having an oversized bore. The larger volume often gives you a lower tone, which many people find more pleasant.

Exactly this, OP. The hive mind that you should ALWAYS buy a .30 cal can is a bit outdated. You have to step back and ask yourself whether you intend to shoot anything but 5.56. Slapping a 9" and ~20 oz. 30 cal can on a gun is the fastest way to turn it into a bench rifle.

One bit of advice I like to give is that you shouldn't chase DB ratings. You won't end up with a can you like and will probably buy twice. Buy a can that fits Budget, Weight and Length. In that order. 5.56 is god awful loud no matter how you slice it and at the end of the day, a suppressor is a really cool range toy. So why not make it fun to play with?

Shagnasty

07-15-15, 17:58

And to answer your question, I'm big on Silencerco right now. Their Saker/Specwar K models seem to fit what you're asking for. YES, they will give you a bit of muzzle flash on your SBR. NO, they are not as quiet as some overblown .30 cal monstrosity. But for the weight, length and mounting systems they should be near the top of anyone's list. If you can live with the extra inches and ounces, their full size versions of the same models will be a good compromise.

Also, wasn't there a company recently offering a free .22 silencer with a rifle can? I seem to remember it was a 30 cal can but It's worth looking into.

EDIT: Also, $urefire. Worth the money, but can they ever be a lot of money. Some of Gemtech's Titanium cans will probably serve you well and Griffin Armament is new to the consciousness but making a great name for themselves.

PatrioticDisorder

07-15-15, 18:42

Exactly this, OP. The hive mind that you should ALWAYS buy a .30 cal can is a bit outdated. You have to step back and ask yourself whether you intend to shoot anything but 5.56. Slapping a 9" and ~20 oz. 30 cal can on a gun is the fastest way to turn it into a bench rifle.

One bit of advice I like to give is that you shouldn't chase DB ratings. You won't end up with a can you like and will probably buy twice. Buy a can that fits Budget, Weight and Length. In that order. 5.56 is god awful loud no matter how you slice it and at the end of the day, a suppressor is a really cool range toy. So why not make it fun to play with?

I'm not sure I agree that it's a only a really cool range toy. I mean, if I ever have to discharge my HD carbine at an intruder in my home I'm pretty sure it makes a great concussion & hearing loss mitigator as well as being a great flash suppressor saving my night vision (night/dark being a realistic HD scenario).

SteveL

07-15-15, 19:19

I would only recommend buying a .30 cal. can as your first if you already have .30 cal. guns to use it on. The idea here is that when you buy your next can it will be a 5.56 model and at this point they will both become dedicated to something caliber specific.

If you don't have a need for a. 30 cal. can then I see no point in the extra size and weight.

cj5_dude

07-15-15, 20:18

You've gotten a lot of good info so far. It is true that most 30 cal cans will be longer and heavier than their 5.56 counterpart. One exception that I think is very much worth looking at though is the Dead Air Armament Sandman S. It's the same size and weight of a Saker 5.56 and in the same price point. It's a 30 cal can rated to up to 300 WinMag. There's no minimum barrel length for it like others. It has a superb mount system and you can use a 5.56 end cap to drop noise even more if you want it. So you end up with a silencer that's the size of most 5.56 cans, but with the capabilities of a 30 cal can. I personally think it's one of the best options on the market right now.

foxtrotx1

07-16-15, 00:44

My 12" 6.8 SBR would be the first example. They rate the Omega to a 16" minimum for 6.8, no idea why. Lots of 11"-13" 6.8 SBRs in the woods.

And although I wouldn't buy/build one, there aree a massive number of 7.5" 5.56 SBRs out there.

I agree it's not an issue for most people, but with some other cans it's not even anything to think twice about.

Pretty sure the omega is rated for a 10 inch barrel in 6.8.

It's a mix of stainless, stellite and titanium. Also, the can is not large by any means.

MAC has some good tests up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL2Q2DIX76o

foxtrotx1

07-16-15, 00:52

Exactly this, OP. The hive mind that you should ALWAYS buy a .30 cal can is a bit outdated. You have to step back and ask yourself whether you intend to shoot anything but 5.56. Slapping a 9" and ~20 oz. 30 cal can on a gun is the fastest way to turn it into a bench rifle.

One bit of advice I like to give is that you shouldn't chase DB ratings. You won't end up with a can you like and will probably buy twice. Buy a can that fits Budget, Weight and Length. In that order. 5.56 is god awful loud no matter how you slice it and at the end of the day, a suppressor is a really cool range toy. So why not make it fun to play with?

Except several of todays .30 cal cans are shorter than 7 inches, and lighter than their 5.56 counterparts.

BigWaylon

07-16-15, 07:37

Pretty sure the omega is rated for a 10 inch barrel in 6.8.
It's not. Many people have asked (since it's not listed) and they've always replied 16". Here's an example of one of the replies when asked what the minimum barrel length for 6.8 is:

Thank you for your interest in SilencerCo, and our new Omega suppressor. The Omega has the following minimum barrel length requirements: 300BLK - 8", .223/5.56 - 10", 6.8SPC/.308 - 16", and Magnums up to 300WM - 20". For your 12.5" 6.8, I recommend looking at either the Saker 762, or Specwar 762 suppressors as they are rated down to 7" barrels for the 6.8 SPC. If you have any other questions, please let us know.

Then, when questioned further about why it was the 6.8 was grouped in with 5.56 on the Saker (rated down to 7"), but paired with .308 on the Omega, he got this explanation:

Thank you for your question. The differences come from the use of different materials between each suppressor series. The Saker features a full Stellite Core, with all other parts being Stainless Steel. Stellite is selected as the complete core material for its strength, and is 30% stronger than Inconel. This is what allows the Saker 762 to handle the 6.8 all the way down to 7", and thus your 8.5" as well. The other option, which is also made of the same materials, and will offer better suppression is the Specwar 762. This model being of a full Stellite core as well, is also rated for use down to 7". The Omega does use a Stellite Blast Baffle, however the rest of the baffle stack is Stainless Steel.

PatrioticDisorder

07-16-15, 09:00

Except several of todays .30 cal cans are shorter than 7 inches, and lighter than their 5.56 counterparts.

7" is still a long can. I prefer a full size 5.56 can closer to 6".

ex95B10

07-16-15, 15:45

Here's my advice, take it for what it's worth….
I have a dedicated Surefire SOCOM556-RC for my AR and it is definitely fun to shoot, with that being said I also have a 9" 300 Blackout SBR with a Specwar762 that is absolutely my favorite rifle to shoot.

If I had to do it all over again I would not have bothered buying the can for the 5.56 because it can only fire supersonic rounds, while my 9" 300 Blackout SBR firing subsonic ammo is a major head-turner at any gun range due to it being so ultra-quiet.

Colt 6920 w/Surefire SOCOM556-RChttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/16/baea4e9e5e487b40a0d8c12a09dbff6c.jpg

AAC 9" 300 Blackout w/Noveske N4 lowerhttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/16/335613164d90f4dbbf7f089410a8c472.jpg

Crapshot

07-16-15, 21:49

I'm a Silencerco fan for life after a small "alignment issue" my father managed to accomplish resulted in my brand new, 9 month wait, specwar 762, turned into a small missile (baffle strike, and not actually screwed on the mount)
I called silencerco and told them what happened and the gentleman I spoke with basically told me "not a big deal, if it happens again give us a call and we'll take care of it!". Had it back in about 7 days fully rebuilt.

I may buy a 22lr can of a different brand but prob not.

I've about 3 months wait down on an Omega, purely for my ar15's then if I build a Grendel or blackout it'll still be usable. Or a 300wm bolt gun... Versatility

cbx

07-19-15, 14:12