View Full Version : US Tavor vs Israeli Tavor
I read on another forum that the US civilian Tavor is not the same rifle that the IDF uses. Obviously things like barrel length and semi auto only could be different but they are saying there are major differences. I was always under the impression that it was like the Colt 6920 vs military M4. Anyone know if this is true?
call_me_ski
07-15-15, 01:36
The rifle built here may very well indeed be close to the original Tavor that was trialed by the IDF. However the current rifle changed quite dramatically and is known as the x95. My understanding is that the x95 is the rifle being procured going forward in the IDF.
KalashniKEV
07-15-15, 10:21
I wouldn't be surprised if they hogged out the gas port to cater to the junk shooters.
Without access to the specs on an IDF Tavor, I guess we won't know.
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 11:49
The rifle built here may very well indeed be close to the original Tavor that was trialed by the IDF. However the current rifle changed quite dramatically and is known as the x95. My understanding is that the x95 is the rifle being procured going forward in the IDF.
There was a picture that Tim from Military arms channel posted on IG a few months ago;
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y409/Wickedwillis/x95_zpsr5cuyvsc.png (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/Wickedwillis/media/x95_zpsr5cuyvsc.png.html)
Looks interesting though. Takes almost all of the gripes out from the western shooters, puts the mag release in the M4 position, charging handle is still in an odd position, but the reloads on the current US Tavor can be incredibly fast.
KalashniKEV
07-15-15, 13:49
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y409/Wickedwillis/x95_zpsr5cuyvsc.png (http://s1273.photobucket.com/user/Wickedwillis/media/x95_zpsr5cuyvsc.png.html)
The bottom one looks interesting.
I wonder if they could make it more like this:
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss2008/huge/DSCN0476.JPG
;)
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 14:23
The bottom one looks interesting.
I wonder if they could make it more like this:
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss2008/huge/DSCN0476.JPG
;)
Haha. I can see the resemblance
The Tavor currently on the market is a version of the TAR21, while the X95 is a version of the MTAR21. It's a rough eqvuivilent of the M16 vs M4, or the M4 vs the Mk 18, alibet with far more changes on the X95. I'd love to have the X95, but who knows when it will become available.
I do wonder how close the US legal Tavor is to the TAR21 that was trialed/adopted for a while by the IDF. Not the original prototype, but the final version before they switched over to the X95.
KalashniKEV
07-15-15, 17:11
The Tavor currently on the market is a version of the TAR21, while the X95 is a version of the MTAR21. It's a rough eqvuivilent of the M16 vs M4, or the M4 vs the Mk 18, alibet with far more changes on the X95.
I thought one of the changes in moving to the X95 was getting rid of the stupid "un-triggerguard" but from the looks of that photo, apparently not.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8414/8783679493_050884b236_b.jpg
WickedWillis
07-15-15, 18:11
I thought one of the changes in moving to the X95 was getting rid of the stupid "un-triggerguard" but from the looks of that photo, apparently not.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8414/8783679493_050884b236_b.jpg
It's modular, you can switch it.
It's modular, you can switch it.
Since the weapons look identical in the picture minus the handguard/trigger guard, that would be my guess.
IWI USA will be releasing the X95 in 2016. That was told to me, by someone very high up in the company. Take it for what it's worth. That's what he said.
Gunnar da Wolf
07-16-15, 07:36
IWI was showing an SBR version of the X95 at this year's Outdoor Show in Harrisburg PA. It feels like it should be made of yellow polymer and have "Dewalt" on the side. It's definitely a tool grade weapon and so small you could almost carry it in a holster.
I like the feel of my Tavor better, but I can see where the X95 would be the berries in a battlefield environment.
IWI USA will be releasing the X95 in 2016. That was told to me, by someone very high up in the company. Take it for what it's worth. That's what he said.
And they were releasing the Galil Ace in May, but we still can't buy them.
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USMC_Anglico
07-16-15, 09:05
Of all the bullpups out, only the Tavor looks like something I would actually want to use (compared to FAMAS, SA80, etc.)
The bolt carrier on the semi autos are slightly different and wont interchange AFAIK.
And they were releasing the Galil Ace in May, but we still can't buy them.
H
I understand, but 2016 is a much bigger timeframe than May. I'd holdout for the 5.56 version of the Ace.
SamM
The bolt carrier on the semi autos are slightly different and wont interchange AFAIK.
The U.S. Tavors have a different receiver (steel vs aluminum*) and the molding in the trigger area is different too, to keep a full auto trigger group from being installed.
The armorer's manual I have shows a slightly different recoil spring design where the recoil spring guide rod lifts out of the top of the buffer instead of being captive. The U.S. Tavor has a slot in the piston rod that allows dissembling. I don't know if this is because the military Tavor is different or because the Tavor design has been updated.
The front sling point on the U.S. model is a QR point vs the military loop for paracord that the Israelis use.
Those are just the things that pop come to mind.
Pics of some of the stuff I'm referring to here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?164459-Tavor-detail-pics-and-wear-at-1500-rounds
H
*I've never will seen this documented and am going off pictures.
Serious Account
07-17-15, 22:54
The U.S. Tavors have a different receiver (steel vs aluminum*) and the molding in the trigger area is different too, to keep a full auto trigger group from being installed.
Which part of the receiver do you mean here? Like the steel insert are made of aluminum in the US version?
Which part of the receiver do you mean here? Like the steel insert are made of aluminum in the US version?
That's what it looks like from the armorer's manual. I haven't been able to find pics or documentation.
H
This is the select fire version of the X95 pictured on the IWI USA website. But hopefully the civilian version will hit the market in 2016. I would even consider an SBR with the 13" barrel. My LMT is on the market to finance this purchase. I might sell my Arsenal SLR106FR as well. Once the X95 becomes available my, Tavor will go to my daughter.
Sorry for the hijack.
SamM
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Some other differences between the US versions discussed here:
https://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=8531.0
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I recently attended an IWI LE sales demo featuring the TAVOR including the standard, U.S. Semi 16", the CTAR which is the standard TAVOR in select fire with a 15" barrel and the X-95.
I got to shoot all 3. The 16" semi had a geissele trigger pack and was suppressed with an OSS suppressor. The OSS's system for venting gas forward, works very well, the was zero gas to the face despite the action being right by the users face. The triggers on all the demo guns were well broken in but the Geissele trigger was noticeably better.
The CTAR was my personal favorite variant. I found the longer toe on the stock helped me come on target quicker from the ready and it was easier to utilize the Israeli "6 points of contact " hold with the CTAR than the X95. I also didn't find the AR style mag release on the X-95 to be a big advantage. The TAVOR mag release works very well with practice.
The reps did not have an ETA on a semi, civilian version of the X-95.
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