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Heard an interview with Trump and he stated "I'm a Second Amendment person" straight up. Says he has a CCW*, owns guns, and does not believe in gun control, etc. criminals will always get guns, and so forth. I still think the man is a slice of sandwich turkey short of a sandwich, but he didn't shy away at all from this topic nor attempt to side step it. When the (really annoying) reporter asked him if he shot hit gun regularly at the range (as if that's relevant) he said "that's none of your business."
Never thought I'd say it, but I have to give him props for that one. Here's the full interview if interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DSfvYCKwY
* = Proving if you're wealthy and got mojo in NYC, you will have your CCW, but that's another topic.
Outlander Systems
07-16-15, 18:50
Fingers crossed for the Donald or Rand Paul.
So help me, God, if we end up with any of the moderate shitheads, I will pull the lever for Hillary.
Fingers crossed for the Donald or Rand Paul.
So help me, God, if we end up with any of the moderate shitheads, I will pull the lever for Hillary.
Actually I think this is little more than a publicity stunt for Trump. Other than opinions, I don't think he has what is necessary to be an effective President, especially one that can navigate us out of the current mess that is piled up.
Just saying we should "do this" does not mean you will get it done, you don't have omnipotent powers when in office and the only reason Obama gets away with as much as he does is nobody wants to say "no" to the first black President or they will be a racist.
Trump would end up dealing with an entrenched Congress that would make the Democratic majority Congress Reagan was forced to deal with look like GOP fund raiser. More importantly, despite pockets of support by frustrated people, I don't think Trump can beat Hillary in an election.
Make no mistake, I'd rather have an egotistical blowhard with zero experience over guys like Christie and Romney, but most of all I'd rather not have Hillary and I'd prefer somebody who is willing to start fixing things.
Outlander Systems
07-16-15, 19:52
Steyr, The Donald is a douchebag for sure. But the Repiblicans have ****ed over their base time and time and time again.
I'm done with them. They had two things to accomplish:
Remove the ACA
Stop Illegal Immigration
They failed on both of them. I'm not even going to start on the TPP, Freedom Act, or any of the other bullshit the Whigs rolled over on.
I've been having to choose between the lesser of two evils for my entire adult life. The GOP needs to square its shit away, or they're done. And if I have to choose between an old-money punk like Jeb, and a crooked-assed wench who leaves a body count wherever she goes, then we all get what we deserve for putting up with it.
I'm sick to death of the Mittens and the McCains and the Boehners of the party. They are all opportunists. Until we get an outsider, this country is going to continue in the same direction.
The Dems will hang us with a blue noose, and the GOP will hang us with a red one.
It's rinse n repeat, mah brotha. Rinse n repeat. I for one, thought we shrugged off the crown to get away from monarchist dynasties...
Whiskey_Bravo
07-16-15, 20:27
Steyr, The Donald is a douchebag for sure. But the Repiblicans have ****ed over their base time and time and time again.
I'm done with them. They had two things to accomplish:
Remove the ACA
Stop Illegal Immigration
They failed on both of them. I'm not even going to start on the TPP, Freedom Act, or any of the other bullshit the Whigs rolled over on.
I've been having to choose between the lesser of two evils for my entire adult life. The GOP needs to square its shit away, or they're done. And if I have to choose between an old-money punk like Jeb, and a crooked-assed wench who leaves a body count wherever she goes, then we all get what we deserve for putting up with it.
I'm sick to death of the Mittens and the McCains and the Boehners of the party. They are all opportunists. Until we get an outsider, this country is going to continue in the same direction.
The Dems will hang us with a blue noose, and the GOP will hang us with a red one.
It's rinse n repeat, mah brotha. Rinse n repeat. I for one, thought we shrugged off the crown to get away from monarchist dynasties...
Not sure what else needs to be said. Spot on. The republicans are worthless and have sold us down the road just like the dems. They have had their chance to at least put a halt to some of this nonsense but they have refused. Bohner and his ilk are nothing but dems in barely passable republican clothing.
The Donald is the ultimate "outsider"...and may actually PUSH to do what he says. He has NO political capital to protect.
He can rip to shreds all the PC and not give a care 4 to 8 years later...be done with it and go back to being "The Donald"..."you're fired!"
The guy knows how to make money, give him that.
The actor wasn't too bad...why not a "blowhard"?
Actually I think this is little more than a publicity stunt for Trump. Other than opinions, I don't think he has what is necessary to be an effective President, especially one that can navigate us out of the current mess that is piled up.
Just saying we should "do this" does not mean you will get it done, you don't have omnipotent powers when in office and the only reason Obama gets away with as much as he does is nobody wants to say "no" to the first black President or they will be a racist.
Trump would end up dealing with an entrenched Congress that would make the Democratic majority Congress Reagan was forced to deal with look like GOP fund raiser. More importantly, despite pockets of support by frustrated people, I don't think Trump can beat Hillary in an election.
Make no mistake, I'd rather have an egotistical blowhard with zero experience over guys like Christie and Romney, but most of all I'd rather not have Hillary and I'd prefer somebody who is willing to start fixing things.
I think Trump would rip Hillary a new AH, in the debates.
FlyingHunter
07-16-15, 20:57
I for one, thought we shrugged off the crown to get away from monarchist dynasties...
Right on !!
I think Trump would rip Hillary a new AH, in the debates.
Likely. But the same retards who elected Obama twice would still prevail.
Steyr, The Donald is a douchebag for sure. But the Repiblicans have ****ed over their base time and time and time again.
I'm done with them. They had two things to accomplish:
Remove the ACA
Stop Illegal Immigration
They failed on both of them. I'm not even going to start on the TPP, Freedom Act, or any of the other bullshit the Whigs rolled over on.
I've been having to choose between the lesser of two evils for my entire adult life. The GOP needs to square its shit away, or they're done. And if I have to choose between an old-money punk like Jeb, and a crooked-assed wench who leaves a body count wherever she goes, then we all get what we deserve for putting up with it.
I'm sick to death of the Mittens and the McCains and the Boehners of the party. They are all opportunists. Until we get an outsider, this country is going to continue in the same direction.
The Dems will hang us with a blue noose, and the GOP will hang us with a red one.
It's rinse n repeat, mah brotha. Rinse n repeat. I for one, thought we shrugged off the crown to get away from monarchist dynasties...
I don't disagree. I'm hoping for President Rand Paul, but that is also unlikely.
FlyingHunter
07-16-15, 21:16
I don't disagree. I'm hoping for President Rand Paul, but that is also unlikely.
I have the same hope, Rand Paul; yet I have the same doubt as you - that he would ever make to the finish line. There are simply not enough intelligent, free thinkers left in our country to see the merits of his constitutional views on modern issues.
I have the same hope, Rand Paul; yet I have the same doubt as you - that he would ever make to the finish line. There are simply not enough intelligent, free thinkers left in our country to see the merits of his constitutional views on modern issues.
Here is my prediction.
Christie vs. Clinton with Trump possibly running as an independent if he fails to get the GOP nomination.
8 years of Clinton.
Business_Casual
07-16-15, 23:16
This is beyond moronic. Spend five seconds researching Trump, please. He is anti2-2nd, always has been. He builds in NYC, so he has fingers in every political pie going. He donates to Hillary and Chuck You Schumer regularly. Jeebus, cripes and ninny.
This is beyond moronic. Spend five seconds researching Trump, please. He is anti2-2nd, always has been. He builds in NYC, so he has fingers in every political pie going. He donates to Hillary and Chuck You Schumer regularly. Jeebus, cripes and ninny.
Yes and no, mostly yes...until recently.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm
A very strong person on the Second Amendment. (Jun 2015)
I am against gun control. (Feb 2011)
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns. (Jul 2000)
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check. (Jul 2000)
The one in bold is really all we need to know.
I like Trump's attitude about firearm issues. A lot of people do not like him, because he has a lot of money. I do not think he is electable.
The group of people Trump is trying to attract is splintered and they will back several different candidates giving Hillary Clinton an easy path to the White House.
Is it completely unbelievable that Trump has changed his views and now supports the 2nd Amendment? Can the moderate republican candidates be trusted not to eventually cave to the call for "common-sense gun reform", once given the chance (after all, it is for the children)?
Trump has donated to both democrats and republicans. It seems that, in recent years, he has donated more prevalently to republican interests.
Donald Trump's campaign contributions to Democrats and Republicans (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/09/ben-ferguson/donald-trumps-campaign-contributions-democrats-and/)
Trump has actually been relatively evenhanded in doling out cash to the two parties, but since 1989, he’s contributed over $350,000 more to Republicans running for federal and state offices, campaign finance records show.
Data from the Federal Election Commission and state elections offices provided by the two websites show that Trump has given $584,850 to Democrats and $961,140 to the GOP over the last 26 years.
The difference in donations is almost entirely captured in Trump’s recent giving. Since 2012, Trump has donated $463,450 to Republicans and just $3,500 to Democrats (California Attorney General Kamala Harris and New York Assemblyman Michael Benedetto).
Trump gets my vote. He has balls, is not afraid to say what needs to be said, is already rich & famous, & has a better chance of turning around the economy than the rest of them. Plus the fact that the Progressive hate his almost as much as they do Palin makes me want to throw my vote his way.
If Clinton gets it, that's ok too. This way she can finish destroying the country to the point where we can start over and the Lib's won't be able to complain because they had their chance with the magic Kenyan for 2 terms & then Clinton for another term or two.
Doc Safari
07-17-15, 10:26
Actually I think this is little more than a publicity stunt for Trump. Other than opinions, I don't think he has what is necessary to be an effective President, especially one that can navigate us out of the current mess that is piled up.
People said that Reagan didn't have what it takes to be president, either. He was too old, just a has-been actor, etc.
Just saying we should "do this" does not mean you will get it done, you don't have omnipotent powers when in office and the only reason Obama gets away with as much as he does is nobody wants to say "no" to the first black President or they will be a racist.
Granted, but Trump has experience as a CEO and as one of the most successful businessmen in the modern era. I'd trust him over any "politician".
Trump would end up dealing with an entrenched Congress that would make the Democratic majority Congress Reagan was forced to deal with look like GOP fund raiser.
There is that. It will be a Republican Congress resentful that one of their neocon elites didn't win. That's why we need to elect Trump with such a huge landslide that it will result in a sea change.
More importantly, despite pockets of support by frustrated people, I don't think Trump can beat Hillary in an election.
Here's where we differ greatly. Hillary may be able to steal the election (like Obama did), but I don't think she can actually win it.
Make no mistake, I'd rather have an egotistical blowhard with zero experience over guys like Christie and Romney, but most of all I'd rather not have Hillary and I'd prefer somebody who is willing to start fixing things.
And I think Trump is the ONLY candidate who will start fixing things. Yes, he is a blowhard, but any of the Repugnicans will just become part of the establishment and will end up furthering the party's interests over the country's interests.
If Trump is not the nominee, I hope there's a way I can do a write-in of his name on the ballot.
I don't think Trump is the great USA savior, but he is not a carrier politician and actually has balls to speak truth and not get bought out. Thats more than can be said for anyone else in my limited research. I'm going to look hard once it gets narrowed down, but trump looks like an option Much better than current or future dems, and some republicans.
Edit, in op interview, what time mark is gun talk?
Doc Safari
07-17-15, 10:58
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check. (Jul 2000)
The one in bold is really all we need to know.
Then that is a deal breaker. I'd have to hear a recent statement that he's changed his mind.
Then that is a deal breaker. I'd have to hear a recent statement that he's changed his mind.
Here's recent proof he pro-black rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js5Yakrzba0
ramairthree
07-17-15, 12:13
People can change their views. I used to be shocked when people were anti le, gov, etc. since they were the good guys.
People can change their views. I used to be shocked when people were anti le, gov, etc. since they were the good guys.
This. It was 15 years ago. Trust, but verify.
"As Commander-in-Chief, I would mandate that soldiers remain armed and on alert at our military bases." 11 July 2015
People can change their views. I used to be shocked when people were anti le, gov, etc. since they were the good guys.
They can also tell you what they think you want to hear. Remember NRA "A rated" Harry Reid?
Frankly. I wouldn't trust Trump any farther than I could throw him.. I look at him like this, If he were building a casino behind your house, and needed your land as well as your neighbors land for a parking lot, and let's say he offered you and your neighbors $10,000 above what you paid for your houses and all of you refused, He'd start eminent domain proceedings the following day. That's who you're dealing with here. He's nothing more than a sideshow.
Trump seems to tell it like it is.
The Donald is the ultimate "outsider"...and may actually PUSH to do what he says. He has NO political capital to protect.
He can rip to shreds all the PC and not give a care 4 to 8 years later...be done with it and go back to being "The Donald"..."you're fired!"
The guy knows how to make money, give him that.
The actor wasn't too bad...why not a "blowhard"?
I think Trump would rip Hillary a new AH, in the debates.
Trump has more going for him than most, if not, of the career politician scumbags running. I don't mind Rand Paul or Ben Carson, either.
I just hope the GOP actually puts forward a candidate who isn't fundamentally indistinguishable from the whichever pathological elitist socialist the Democrats do.
Trump has more going for him than most, if not, of the career politician scumbags running. I don't mind Rand Paul or Ben Carson, either.
I just hope the GOP actually puts forward a candidate who isn't fundamentally indistinguishable from the whichever pathological elitist socialist the Democrats do.
Does anyone see the irony when the greatest nation on earth has to consider Donald Trump (Donald Trump!!!) as POTUS and may possibly the best thing the GOP can offer? I mean, if that's not a WTF moment, I don't know what is.
Does anyone see the irony when the greatest nation on earth has to consider Donald Trump (Donald Trump!!!) as POTUS and may possibly the best thing the GOP can offer? I mean, if that's not a WTF moment, I don't know what is.
Will, stop killing the cognitive dissonance in the room man!! It's all the hope have....
Will, stop killing the cognitive dissonance in the room man!! It's all the hope have....
I'll repeat what I had said after Obama was re elected, the Dems didn't win at as much as the GOP lost it. It was by any metric there's for the win, but they couldn't put forth even a resemblance of a candidate. Until the GOP gets its house in order, and goes back to it's old school roots, which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" they will fail again. The old school GOP was much closer to a modern day Libertarian, but allowed the party to be taken over and controlled by, well, you know.
Does anyone see the irony when the greatest nation on earth has to consider Donald Trump (Donald Trump!!!) as POTUS and may possibly the best thing the GOP can offer? I mean, if that's not a WTF moment, I don't know what is.
Yep, that is exactly where we are at. In all reality, we are probably in worse shape than most even here care to acknowledge. Sad, but true.....
Trump made some comments on John McCain's military service today:
https://twitter.com/Austin_Barbour/status/622441903556919300
Trump made some comments on John McCain's military service today:
https://twitter.com/Austin_Barbour/status/622441903556919300
I assume we all know Trump will go down in flames but will bring some theater to it and perhaps kick a few politicians in the ass on the way out. He'll accumulate enough foot in mouth statements, the media will turn on him, the marketing and political machine - both parties - will rev up their minions to take Trump out, the end.
But I would like to see him debate Hillary if for no other reason the theater would be epic.
On his McCain comment: is he technically wrong? I suppose not, but The Donald has never been away from his personal security details and in my view, unless you served, best to keep your damn mouth shut. I didn't serve, and sure as hell didn't spend years being beaten and tortured, so my opinion is moot. I felt that way when people attacked Kerry for his service being that was his only major strong point, and I considered that in very bad taste personally. I think many in the mil, regardless of how they felt about Kerry, were turned off by that in a big way.
RancidSumo
07-18-15, 11:56
I think today's comments will be the start of the downfall for his complete joke of a campaign. Trump falls firmly in the "if he's the nominee, I'm not voting" camp. I'm glad he put his foot in his mouth so badly today so that hopefully more people will join me in that opinion and I can quit hearing about him every day.
Maybe, if nothing else, a decent republican candidate will take note of Trump's rise in the poles, and realize the need to stop pussy-footing around the issues.
Maybe, if nothing else, a decent republican candidate will take note of Trump's rise in the poles, and realize the need to stop pussy-footing around the issues.
Paul is the only one even capable of that from what I can figure who's also in step with old school GOP values, that is, Libertarian leanings.
Outlander Systems
07-18-15, 13:48
Paul is the only one even capable of that from what I can figure who's also in step with old school GOP values, that is, Libertarian leanings.
This. If Paul doesn't get it, I'll be eating popcorn at the house.
The rest of the the crowd can go piss up a rope. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the GOP.
Whiskey_Bravo
07-18-15, 14:22
Maybe, if nothing else, a decent republican candidate will take note of Trump's rise in the poles, and realize the need to stop pussy-footing around the issues.
This is my sincere hope.
This is beyond moronic. Spend five seconds researching Trump, please. He is anti2-2nd, always has been. He builds in NYC, so he has fingers in every political pie going. He donates to Hillary and Chuck You Schumer regularly. Jeebus, cripes and ninny.
This....try to remember that politicians do not have the market cornered for being full of crap.
You guys that are going to pull for the GOP are indeed going to get another moderate. You know this.
I will vote for Paul when he runs as an Indy...
Maybe, if nothing else, a decent republican candidate will take note of Trump's rise in the poles, and realize the need to stop pussy-footing around the issues.
I second this motion!
They all know what we the people want. Why is this loud mouthed buffoon (Trump) the only one that will stand up and say it?
This. If Paul doesn't get it, I'll be eating popcorn at the house.
The rest of the the crowd can go piss up a rope. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the GOP.
That makes two of us..
Averageman
07-18-15, 17:09
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/18/fox-news-pundit-stephen-hayes-badgers-donald-trump-over-mccain-comments/
During his speech Trump was asked about Sen John McCains comment calling Trump supporters crazy, with Trump in return saying McCain insulted him.
“No, no I do like people who get captured and I like people who don’t get captured—“ Trump started to respond before Hayes cut him off.
You know if Trump's point was becoming a POW doesn't "make" you a hero, I would have to agree.
His Navy career was a bit spotty to say the least, his best years in his career might have been when he was in the POW camp, but I have to agree with Trump if his point was becoming a POW doesn't make you a war hero.
I think McCain as a politician is about the biggest jack wagon RINO we could have ever put up against Obama and a great part of the reason why he won.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
07-18-15, 17:20
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/18/fox-news-pundit-stephen-hayes-badgers-donald-trump-over-mccain-comments/
During his speech Trump was asked about Sen John McCains comment calling Trump supporters crazy, with Trump in return saying McCain insulted him.
“No, no I do like people who get captured and I like people who don’t get captured—“ Trump started to respond before Hayes cut him off.
You know if Trump's point was becoming a POW doesn't "make" you a hero, I would have to agree.
His Navy career was a bit spotty to say the least, his best years in his career might have been when he was in the POW camp, but I have to agree with Trump if his point was becoming a POW doesn't make you a war hero.
I think McCain as a politician is about the biggest jack wagon RINO we could have ever put up against Obama and a great part of the reason why he won.
I am NO Mccain supporter, politically speaking. But, before being shot down, he already had received a Bronze Star and NavCom Medal for his combat flight missions. How people are arguing that he wasnt a war hero blows my mind.
It wasnt like the guy surrendered and was subsequently captured. He was shot down by enemy fire, injure horribly in the crash, then beaten and stabbed before ever being taken prisoner fully by the VC.
While in capture, the guy refused to be released early unless the men before him were released.
Someone help me out here: what am I missing? With a resume like that, how in the hell are any of us, save maybe Jack Leuba (I cant for the life of me think if your screen name Jack, sorry) allowed to say he isn't a war hero?
LowSpeed_HighDrag
07-18-15, 17:22
If Trump is on the ticket, I will throw my vote away to the Libertarians. Think of this asshat negotiating in foreign relations.
His Mccain comments were so far out of line that in any other time in history, he wouldve been forced to sink back into the shadows like the draft dodging shitbag that he is.
Very well said. I agree 100%. I respect McCain's service, and while I'm sure he suffered at the hands of the North Vietnamese, I don't think that makes him a hero. As a politician he needs to go away.
Trump like him or hate him, at least he's not some sold out panderer.
People throw mud when politicking? Color me shocked. That said were his comments in poor taste? Yup. I'm not agreeing with trump at all, or his comments. But I don't believe that simply because a person is a veteran that he or she should automatically get a free pass during the public vetting process, generally. At least certainly not any more so than when a would be or established politician touts their status as reason to vote for them absent sufficient merit. Veteran status does not a competent politician one automatically make. Again not necessarily applicable in this case but it doesn't really sound all that different then when one group of people comes to the defense of a person or another group simply because they share the same status or related identity. Be it LE, .Mil, bikers, etc.
But then again Trump stirred up all the crazies that McCain despises so...
LowSpeed_HighDrag
07-18-15, 17:37
People throw mud when politicking? Color me shocked. That said were his comments in poor taste? Yup. I'm not agreeing with trump at all, or his comments. But I don't believe that simply because a person is a veteran that he or she should automatically get a free pass during the public vetting process, generally. At least certainly not any more so than when a would be or established politician touts their status as reason to vote for them absent sufficient merit. Veteran status does not a competent politician one automatically make. Again not necessarily applicable in this case but it doesn't really sound all that different then when one group of people comes to the defense of a person or another group simply because they share the same status or related identity. Be it LE, .Mil, bikers, etc.
But then again Trump stirred up all the crazies that McCain despises so...
Again, I'm not in favor of Mccain or Trump, but are we saying that Trump is right and Mccain is not a war hero?
Averageman
07-18-15, 17:44
Again, I'm not in favor of Mccain or Trump, but are we saying that Trump is right and Mccain is not a war hero?
I think what Trump was saying is being a POW doesn't make you a "Hero".
In an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Trump defended having repeatedly flamed fellow Republican McCain — the GOP’s 2008 nominee for President — after the senator said Trump was stirring up the extremist “crazies” of the party with his rants against Mexican immigrants.
Trump said it was tit for tat when he blasted McCain, who spent more than five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, for having performed poorly while studying at the Naval Academy.
“I supported John McCain. He let us down because he lost. But it was a hard win after what happened with the economy,” Trump said.
“But I supported him, raised a lot of money for him. A tremendous amount of money. And I'm a loyalist,” the real-estate dealer went on.
“I'm a person that if somebody is with me, I'm with that person. And John McCain was very disloyal to me, No. 1. This is the first time I have spoken to him in a long time.”
A McCain spokesman declined comment.
To no small degree McCain has angered a lot of Arizonans because he refuses to stand up against a lot of liberal policies and seems to promote others in order to get re elected.
I can not stand McCain. Sorry he was a POW, glad he served, but there are many brave heroes beyond him. He has gone from POW to POS for all I care. No real hero I've ever known of wants to keep bringing it up either. He sure doesn't mind it.
People can say what they want about Trump but when these Liberal shills attack him trying to find sound bite ammo, he sure does bang quite a few out there. Maybe not all home runs but a steady string of hits. All anyone else has is circle jerk political bs answers. I can't wait to see a debate between Trump and the dough boy.
What Trump was saying is he likes winners. If you get captured you obviously were not making a winning move. Obviously there are all manner of reasons people get captured but he was just saying we need to start winning. So you have a hero of two varieties. The winning hero and the hero that had to endure losing. That's what it seemed like to me. That and the fact that he's tired of hearing the 'hero card' being played by a RINO vicariously through the media.
Again, I'm not in favor of Mccain or Trump, but are we saying that Trump is right and Mccain is not a war hero?
Depends on whether or not the person answering distinguishes between his military and his political record. No real way to answer that as a Yes/No.
Again, I'm not in favor of Mccain or Trump, but are we saying that Trump is right and Mccain is not a war hero?
NO! -- No one is saying McCain was not or is not a war hero. McCain's hero status is irrelevant regarding our next POTUS.
Averageman
07-18-15, 17:57
Depends on whether or not the person answering distinguishes between his military and his political record. No real way to answer that as a Yes/No.
I'm not so sure he would have had a military career if he hadn't made it to Annapolis and I'm not sure he would have done that, or made it to the distinguished position of graduating so low in his class if those family ties didn't have influence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Sr.
John Sidney "Slew" McCain Sr. (August 9, 1884 – September 6, 1945) was a U.S. Navy admiral. He held several command assignments during the Pacific campaignof World War II.
McCain was a pioneer of aircraft carrier operations[1] who in 1942 commanded all land-based air operations in support of the Guadalcanal campaign, and who ultimately in 1944–1945 aggressively led the Fast Carrier Task Force, in the Pacific Ocean theater of World War II. His operations off the Philippines and Okinawa, and air strikes against Formosa and the Japanese home islands, caused tremendous destruction of Japanese naval and air forces in the closing period of the war.[2] He died four days after the formal Japanese surrender ceremony.
He was the father of Admiral John S. McCain, Jr.; they became the first father–son pair ever to achieve four star admiral rank in the U.S. Navy. He was the grandfather of U.S. Senator from Arizona and 2008 Republican presidential nominee Captain John S. McCain III, and the great-grandfather of John S. McCain IV. All four generations graduated from the United States Naval Academy.
I don't care for McCain's politics, at all, but insulting him for his POW status is low. Very, very low, especially from somebody who never served in the military, and the closest he came was being sent to a military school as a teenager.
Which leads to the obvious questions, what was Trump doing during the war?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-vietnam-draft-records-secret-documents-deferments/story?id=13492639
Newly released documents suggest that a young Donald Trump received several deferments that could have allowed him to avoid service in Vietnam, contrasting claims he made this week that he missed the draft solely because he had a high lottery number.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," Trump said.
In that conversation Trump did not mention he also received several deferments.
According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School in 1968. The lottery occurred in December 1969, conflicting with Trump's recollection of the event.
Lottery numbers ranged from 1 to 365 and were allotted according to birthdates. Trump's number was a very high, 356.
Trump received his first two student deferments while enrolled at Fordham University in New York City in June 1964 and December 1965. He transferred to Wharton as a sophomore that year and received another two 2-S deferments in December 1966 and January 1968 during his last year of college.
He was classified "available for service" (class 1-A) in November 1966, but just three weeks later in December 1966 he was given a new student deferment.
Upon graduation Trump, the son of a wealthy New York City real estate developer, was no longer eligible for student deferments.
In October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966.
In 1972, Trump was ultimately declared ineligible for service and given a final 4-F deferment.
The documents do not specify the reasons Trump was given a medical deferment. Nor do the documents categorically suggest it was deferments and not a high draft number that ultimately allowed him to avoid the draft.
Okay, so what we know from this discussion so far, McCain was a legacy at Annapolis, he's been shot at, shot down, beaten and tortured by the enemies of our Nation. He refused early release, and endured 5 years of captivity, most of which was under arduous conditions. No other prisoners have refuted the stories of his beatings at the hands of his captors or his continued resistance.
We also know that Trump is a legacy, inheriting/being given his father's real estate investment company. Trump's initial success was marred by bankruptcy, but thanks to the god old boy network that plays with other people's money, he bounced back. He is a tireless self-promoter and blowhard. If you look up self-aggrandizing in the dictionary, the definition includes Trump's picture.
Trump has been downtown, but only in a limo; McCain went downtown, in a jet, his trip was longer.
If Karl Rove hadn't orchestrated the infamous South Carolina push poll during the 2000 primaries, McCain would have been our 43rd President. Much like his time as a POW, during his early political career McCain tried to do what he thought was right, despite the wishes of the Republican Party. In 2008 he became a caricature of his self while trying to win the Republican nomination. Had he chosen/been saddled with a VP candidate other than Sarah Palin, he would have been our 44th President.
Screw Trump.
Which leads to the obvious questions, what was Trump doing during the war?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-vietnam-draft-records-secret-documents-deferments/story?id=13492639
Newly released documents suggest that a young Donald Trump received several deferments that could have allowed him to avoid service in Vietnam, contrasting claims he made this week that he missed the draft solely because he had a high lottery number.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," Trump said.
In that conversation Trump did not mention he also received several deferments.
According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School in 1968. The lottery occurred in December 1969, conflicting with Trump's recollection of the event.
Lottery numbers ranged from 1 to 365 and were allotted according to birthdates. Trump's number was a very high, 356.
Trump received his first two student deferments while enrolled at Fordham University in New York City in June 1964 and December 1965. He transferred to Wharton as a sophomore that year and received another two 2-S deferments in December 1966 and January 1968 during his last year of college.
He was classified "available for service" (class 1-A) in November 1966, but just three weeks later in December 1966 he was given a new student deferment.
Upon graduation Trump, the son of a wealthy New York City real estate developer, was no longer eligible for student deferments.
In October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966.
In 1972, Trump was ultimately declared ineligible for service and given a final 4-F deferment.
The documents do not specify the reasons Trump was given a medical deferment. Nor do the documents categorically suggest it was deferments and not a high draft number that ultimately allowed him to avoid the draft.
Gee, I wonder why he paid for the 4-F classification, why he didn't join the air guard and fly combat missions over New York, keeping us safe from communist attack like other great Americans?
If Trump is on the ticket, I will throw my vote away to the Libertarians. Think of this asshat negotiating in foreign relations.
His Mccain comments were so far out of line that in any other time in history, he wouldve been forced to sink back into the shadows like the draft dodging shitbag that he is.
Good post.
Averageman
07-18-15, 19:49
I respect McCain's service, but would reserve the hero status.
I respect Trump's ability to make a lot of cash, but again reserve his status as a viable candidate.
What I think we have here is two men who grew up as rich/privileged kids. They both have mixed loyalties to the people who have got them where they are. I'm pretty sure any loyalty you can count on from these guys is based upon what you can do for them.
Cagemonkey
07-18-15, 21:15
Oh yeah, he's my hero! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoZ3BPqXrq0
I respect McCain's service, but would reserve the hero status.
Actually a "deal was cut" for McCain's release from captivity. When he asked if everyone else was being released and found out the deal was just for him because of who his father was, he voluntarily decided to stay.
I think that qualifies McCain for "hero" status in my book.
That Trump would not know that, or deliberate disregard that, says something about Trump. If I was going to make disparaging comments about a veteran, I'd at least do a google search.
I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Where did trump say anything about "hero?"
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I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Where did trump say anything about "hero?"
"He is not a war hero," Trump told pollster Frank Luntz, who was hosting the session.
"He is a war hero," Luntz interjected.
"He is a war hero because he was captured," Trump said, cutting him off. "I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you. He is a war hero because he was captured. OK, you can have -- I believe perhaps he is a war hero."
LowSpeed_HighDrag
07-19-15, 00:28
If McCain had never been captured, would his Bronze Star and NavCom for combat flight missions qualify him as a war hero?
I suppose I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the thought process of some of you guys. To say he was not a war hero is so disrespectful to those of us that did less than what he did. It's a direct affront to almost every vet (including myself) on this forum.
"He is not a war hero," Trump told pollster Frank Luntz, who was hosting the session.
"He is a war hero," Luntz interjected.
"He is a war hero because he was captured," Trump said, cutting him off. "I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you. He is a war hero because he was captured. OK, you can have -- I believe perhaps he is a war hero."
Your quote leaves out Trump's preface that McCain has been saying hateful things recently about conservatives that oppose the Gang of 8 Comprehensive Immigration Reform. There is a story behind the back and forth between these two as McCain started a war when he called Trump's supporters "the crazies" in the Republican Party. Trump pointed this out in a few sentences that preceded your quote. Thus, in the context of McCain's rather childish name calling, Trump's comments seemed to be a humorous jab at McCain that was intended to get a laugh out of the audience. Watch the video and you will see him playing to the crowd and he got a few laughs in response.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/john-mccain-donald-trump-immigration-phoenix-120216.html
While Trump is not my first choice (I'm a Walker or Cruz guy at this point), I essentially agree with everything that he has said on the state of our current immigration system. According to the good Senator, that makes me a crazy. Well, he can take his hero status and shove it up his wrinkled old ass.
If McCain had never been captured, would his Bronze Star and NavCom for combat flight missions qualify him as a war hero?
I suppose I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the thought process of some of you guys. To say he was not a war hero is so disrespectful to those of us that did less than what he did. It's a direct affront to almost every vet (including myself) on this forum.
Maybe you didn't see entire the video including the portions just before the controversial quote, but I'm a vet and didn't feel offended. He was clearly making a jab at McCain's insults. McCain is one of those guys who once served honorably a long time ago, and now acts like a petulant ass.
Your quote leaves out Trump's preface that McCain has been saying hateful things recently about conservatives that oppose the Gang of 8 Comprehensive Immigration Reform. There is a story behind the back and forth between these two as McCain started a war when he called Trump's supporters "the crazies" in the Republican Party. Trump pointed this out in a few sentences that preceded your quote. Thus, in the context of McCain's rather childish name calling, Trump's comments seemed to be a humorous jab at McCain that was intended to get a laugh out of the audience. Watch the video and you will see him playing to the crowd and he got a few laughs in response.
I was just providing the quote in question. While I respect his service and sacrifice, I'm no real fan of McCain.
I wish I could get behind Trump but his support of the assault weapon ban and the fact that I think he is a serious candidate who can win the nomination, to say nothing of the election, keeps me from taking him seriously even if he is currently sharing my views on a few issues.
McCain calling other people crazy - heh. Pot meet kettle.
I was just providing the quote in question. While I respect his service and sacrifice, I'm no real fan of McCain.
I wish I could get behind Trump but his support of the assault weapon ban and the fact that I think he is a serious candidate who can win the nomination, to say nothing of the election, keeps me from taking him seriously even if he is currently sharing my views on a few issues.
I'm not too worried about his 2nd Amendment stance since all of video evidence points toward him being a strong supporter of gun rights. All of the claims the he supported an AW ban come from written quotes that may or may not be real (unless I missed something). Show me some video evidence of him speaking at a Code Pink or SPLC rally and I may pay more attention.
The reason why I like Trump is that he is driving the party to the right on some key issues such as immigration. He provides a stark contrast to the more progressive candidates who would otherwise be able to blend in with conservatives on issue that do not normally get much media spotlight.
The big winner behind the scenes is Ted Cruz who is smart enough to know that attacking Trump only alienates Trump supporters who may someday look for a new home if he leaves the race. Most of the other GOP candidates would be wise to pay better attention to Reagan's First Law - "Thou shall not speak ill of one's fellow Republicans."
Averageman
07-19-15, 09:46
McCain's biggest issue is that he has no morale compass in politics, he is a whore for whatever way the winds seems to be blowing;
As an example see if you can follow this schizophrenic line of thought and actions.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/04/25/mccain-not-granting-amnesty-a-stain-on-america-s-honor/
“Why don’t we give them a path to citizenship?” McCain asked before insisting that such a path is “no amnesty.”
“If you keep these people in the shadows in this nation … it’s a stain on America’s honor,” McCain declared.
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/John_McCain_Immigration.htm
A policy debate about which he cared greatly, and for which he was catching major flak/ The issue was immigration reform. With Bush's support, Congress was taking up a proposal in spring 2007 that would allow a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants. In late May, McCain stood alongside Ted Kennedy and announced his support for the bill.
Just tone down the rhetoric, his advisers pleaded. McCain refused. He was disgusted by Republicans in Congress and talk radio gasbags such as Rush Limbaugh who bashed immigrants. "They're going to destroy the party," he would say.
As McCain's town hall meetings developed into shouting matches over immigration, the candidate let his frustrations show through. By the time the immigration bill collapsed in the Senate on June 28, 2007, the damage was done. The issue had more than injured McCain politically. It had thoroughly crippled his already lame and halting fund-raising.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/azdc/2015/05/02/mccain-tone-toughens-immigration-reform-border-security-reelection/26745705/
U.S. Sen. John McCain on Wednesday sparred with Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson over border security in the latest sign of the Arizona Republican's toughening attitude on immigration in advance of a potentially competitive primary.
McCain was the lead Republican negotiator on the bipartisan "Gang of Eight" comprehensive immigration reform bill that passed the U.S. Senate in 2013. The following year, McCain was formally censured by Arizona Republican Party as too liberal on immigration, "amnesty," and other issues. In April, he announced he is running for a sixth term in 2016 and a conservative primary challenger is expected.
This year, McCain and U.S. Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., attached an amendment to the Senate's budget resolution that would speed the removal of children
I would say his integrity, honesty and values might extend as far as the next special interest group who has the most money.
This whole ordeal about "Hero" is nothing more than political correctness run wild. Trump was just returning a jab from McCain. Why it works. The Repulicans don't like Trump, now they can unite against him. Easy straw man PC situation. In turn they know the Libs will support them as well. Result.... Republicans will say... we are not going get on stage and debate with him as he is simply to radical as evidenced by him saying McCain is not a hero.
Complete disregard for facts. Completely PC. .. and same 'ol Republican Party. I'm surprised they don't simply pull note cards out of their shirt pockets when asked questions.
Anyone with half a lick of sense knows where Trump was coming from. He was pissed, it wasn't the best way to word things for sure.
Good for McCain. He is/was a hero. I owe him. But McCain as the politician I owe nothing. I could have been at the Trump rally with the 14,999 other concerned American's and since he called them "crazies", McCain the politician can kiss my crazy ass. The fact he became a hero in war does not preclude him from now owing all Americans as he has once again chosen to take a job. The job of Politician. He is not a hero politician. He is a failure politician to a considerable degree. He was hammered by a chump in 2008 just for starters and now he calls hard working Americans crazies. F*** him. I haven't heard any apologies to those Americans, although perhaps he has.
He is a war hero.
He is a Politician
The media is certainly not going to allow the two to be exclusive and Trump was -clearly- addressing the political McCain while replying to the loaded question.
If McCain had any integrity what so ever, he would hold an interview and say look, I am proud to be a war hero but I should have not called Americans crazy. Also you in the media, and I myself should not be discussing my time in the Military in this election process. It's simply not appropriate. It has no bearing on anyone's ability to run this country beginning in 2016. --- anyone expect to hear that?
What do we have instead... a daisy chain of Republican wannabes saying Donald can't play in their sand box. A bunch of cry baby chickens*** losers. Not a one of them had the balls to say... 'I think Donanld just got caught off guard, he certainly knows McCain is a war hero, just like all the other hero's Donald knows. He was simply sparring with McCain over that off color remark McCain made earlier in the week.'
Seriously... the Republican Party does not have a candidate that has that much integrity and resolve.... . it's as though integrity, honesty and clear reason are foreign to them all. That is a sad state of affairs.... our future leaders are afraid to speak the truth over this microscopic situation as it might cause them to lose an election. That's how fragile they are? That is sad. I am sick of these idiots that can't look up and simply tell you the sky is blue.
I swear.. I think I'm ready for
Bernie Sanders vs Donal Trump -- at least you know where they are coming from.
Trump's long-term viability will be determined by one thing - his performance in the first GOP debate hosted by FNC in early August. If he can combine the right mix of pit bull vs master of the issues, then he will be a threat going forward. If he comes out just to take a drive-by crap on the heads of his opponents, then his brand will quickly fade.
In terms of showing his mastery of the issues, I think that unveiling a bold, detailed plan to fix a major issue other than immigration is the way to go. Herman Cain did this 4 years ago with his 9-9-9 Plan that launched him from a political nobody to front runner. In Trump's case, I'd avoid a tax plan for the first debate and go after health care, social security, or some other hot button issue. The trick is fit just enough detail in the limited timeframe of a 10-person debate that it captures the audience and sucks up all of the media oxygen for the next several weeks as people discuss it.
The immediate reaction of his opponents and media will be to pick apart the plan because it doesn't cover everybody or isn't perfect. He can then use a little of his pit bull to humiliate his critics who cannot put forth their own plans due to their inability to get past utopia - there will always be some winners and losers. He just needs to show something that is innovative, benefits a strong majority, and probably caters to people willing to work and take some personal risk. The theme of his campaign going forward should shift from opponent attacks to, "I'm filthy rich because I know how to lead and make hard decisions. While I can't promise that I can make you rich, I can show you the path to prosperity if you are willing to work and take some risk - it's the American Dream."
This will show the pundents that he is more than a 3-ring circus.
Then, he should announce that each debate will feature a new detailed plan for another hot button issue.
I'm not too worried about his 2nd Amendment stance since all of video evidence points toward him being a strong supporter of gun rights. All of the claims the he supported an AW ban come from written quotes that may or may not be real (unless I missed something). Show me some video evidence of him speaking at a Code Pink or SPLC rally and I may pay more attention.
It was back in 2000 so youtube wasn't a prevalent, but Trump himself was the source.
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
It was back in 2000 so youtube wasn't a prevalent, but Trump himself was the source.
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check
I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record.
Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000
True, he also supported McCain and Hillary. So when you consider they will all lie to you anyway.... So is his change of heart true or a smoke screen. I honestly would trust him before McCain, Clinton, Chrissy, or basically any of the others... or at least my odds are best with him. I suppose there are several people that 15 years ago would say ... ok a waiting period sounds like a good idea, but not today.... VA switched our waiting period laws back to no more wait since that time. It's not a singular change on his part. Since then it has been a collective change. I would like to think he is part of that collective... who knows though. I know who isn't part of it.
The theme of his campaign going forward should shift from opponent attacks to, "I'm filthy rich because I know how to lead and make hard decisions. While I can't promise that I can make you rich, I can show you the path to prosperity if you are willing to work and take some risk - it's the American Dream."
Agreed... he was attacking Hillary and he needs to stay focused on that. The Left is trying now to have the Right devour itself. He needs to stay out of that now... in fact a nice trap is now set for his R opponents to fall into that trap attacking him. If he simply defends himself, points out their inexperience compared to him, and attacks Hillary and Sanders .... he could be in a very good position.
Then that is a deal breaker. I'd have to hear a recent statement that he's changed his mind.
I agree, unless he's "seen the light" on that one, it's a troublesome view of Black Rifles...unless he has been educated that they are just Sporting rifles, and not FULL auto "machine guns", like so many in the media & D.C. portray them...troublesome?
However, if King O could not ban them...doubtful Trump could.
And I believe Trump would listen to & "hear" the public, and groups like the NRA & GOA...listen to reason and be educated concerning firearms...
...even if he din not like them.
Comrade O...is too "smart" and full of himself to listen to reason or be educated.
Trump, aside from past views on guns...which may have changed thru education (?) does has a lot going for him.
BALLS.
Freedom to speak his mind fearlessly without PC "worry"...or political future beyond 1 0r 2 terms in the White house.
He promises action...has proved himself as a mover & shaker money maker and probably could deliver.
Bet if let loose...he'd hammer ISIS and the commies cyber-attacking us & undermining our economy & security.
Politicians regardless of Party, have become just F.O.S. , backbone-less panderers & liars.
Maybe, if nothing else, a decent republican candidate will take note of Trump's rise in the poles, and realize the need to stop pussy-footing around the issues.
And THAT...could be The Donalds REAL intent, from the start???
He may have known, that the "Old Guard" will NEVER allow a guy like him "in"...his billions notwithstanding.
The theme of his campaign going forward should shift from opponent attacks to, "I'm filthy rich because I know how to lead and make hard decisions. While I can't promise that I can make you rich, I can show you the path to prosperity if you are willing to work and take some risk - it's the American Dream."
This will show the pundents that he is more than a 3-ring circus.
Then, he should announce that each debate will feature a new detailed plan for another hot button issue.
It probably helped that his father was worth $250-300 million at the time of his death. Not to say that he didn't build that into something more, but it helps to have a truckload of capital.
20 years ago I took $5,000 and started firearms business that at one point was generating something like $45,000 in profits annually. If I started with 250 million I could probably have done more or less the same thing and turned it into a billion dollars.
And THAT...could be The Donalds REAL intent, from the start???
He may have known, that the "Old Guard" will NEVER allow a guy like him "in"...his billions notwithstanding.
You guys give too much credit to Republican candidates. Republicans don't have a candidate that could/would follow his lead and then run with the ball for a touchdown. At best they would fumble it and at worse they would get confused half way down the field and turn around and run it back into the opponents goal. Especially since much of the 'team' aligns with the opponents anyway.
This whole McCain hero deal -should- have been nothing more than a first down incomplete pass. Right now though, the Republicans are turning it into a 2nd down QB sack for lost yardage. Next you can expect the Libs to hold that line and if the Republicans are true to form they will probably get a 4th down missed snap and even more lost yardage. Then the Libs are simply going to own this one. Something that shouldn't even exist
All because of an old Republican politician that will never ever be POTUS was once a POW.
It is insanity at it's finest. What is that team that looses all the games but still has loyal fans? Is it the CUBS? The pride of the fans is that their team is actually expected to lose but they get out there and play the game.
I find it funny we are even thinking any of these folks care about us little guys :)
this is like arguing is batman or superman the greater super hero when in reality they are not real
same way politicians are not really for us little people its all about what THEY get out of it and the power they can use to further themselves and that is it
Business_Casual
07-20-15, 06:10
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This. If Paul doesn't get it, I'll be eating popcorn at the house.
The rest of the the crowd can go piss up a rope. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the GOP.
That's what inside the beltway GOP hopes, they clearly want to be Democrat-lite or diet democrats now.
This is clearly a feud between Trump and McCain. Trump was obviously taking a shot back at McCain, and his comments were directed toward McCain and no one else. The fact that the media is blowing this out of proportion, only goes to prove that they are scared to death of Trump. The establishment is shitting its pants from the thought of Trump rising in the poles. The media is constantly setting Trump up for epic sound bites, and he is delivering no doubt. Why this was the biggest story of the weekend and on into the beginning of the week is mind-bottling. The media is not our friend, the establishment is not our friend, and John McCain damn sure isn't our friend. McCain is no angel, by any stretch of the imagination, and his political career very well may be so terrible that it trumps any good he may have ever done in his lifetime.
BuzzinSATX
07-20-15, 08:27
This is clearly a feud between Trump and McCain. Trump was obviously taking a shot back at McCain, and his comments were directed toward McCain and no one else. The fact that the media is blowing this out of proportion, only goes to prove that they are scared to death of Trump. The establishment is shitting its pants from the thought of Trump rising in the poles. The media is constantly setting Trump up for epic sound bites, and he is delivering no doubt. Why this was the biggest story of the weekend and on into the beginning of the week is mind-bottling. The media is not our friend, the establishment is not our friend, and John McCain damn sure isn't our friend. McCain is no angel, by any stretch of the imagination, and his political career very well may be so terrible that it trumps any good he may have ever done in his lifetime.
Gotta agree with this. God bless McCain for his service and time spent as a POW, but he's been a lousy politician at best and downright hurtful to the Constitution at worse.
Trump is scaring the GOP leadership and I think that's awesome.
Take Care,
Buzz
This Trump vs. McCain stuff has gotten to the point that is all that is getting attention. McCain military career was helped by who he was related to. There is no doubt that why somewhat of a screw ball while in the Nav he did fly combat missions and was shot down. He gains points by the fact he refused early release unless everyone went home with him. I give him huge props for that. As a politician he's a piss poor one that has stayed enough on this side of trouble to keep out of it. Here is another hero in Vietnam turned politician to think about. Randy "Duke" Cunningham.
Gotta agree with this. God bless McCain for his service and time spent as a POW, but he's been a lousy politician at best and downright hurtful to the Constitution at worse.
Trump is scaring the GOP leadership and I think that's awesome.
Take Care,
Buzz
+1. Putting the fear of God into the GOP is no small feat.. Trump is doing this. If anything, he's also showing the country just how squishy the GOP really is, and that outside of corporate welfare, endless war, they don't stand for much. And maybe, that's the whole point of him running, not so much to be president, but to show the country just how useless, ineffective, the GOP has become. If I vote in the next election,(I'm still on the fence) It would only be to cancel out some mouthbreather's welfare vote...
What is really going on here is.....distract and redirect. McCain called many of his constituents, "crazies". The reporter conducting the interview baited Trump, and his response was ill-advised. That reporter is undoubtedly anti-Trump, which is evident in his comments since. McCain will be facing opposition for his senate seat, and we should hope that he loses it. That is a big reason why McCain is now trying to turn this into a Trump being anti-vet situation. When, in all actuality, McCain's record as a politician has the appearance that he, himself, may be the anti-vet politician from his involvement with the POW cover-up to his slow response to the VA scandal. Distract and redirect...distract and redirect.
It could be...this occurred to me and others, hate to say it... think it...
... that Trump is "like" a double agent, really working for the Dems & libs, of which his past record & stance on gun control, abortion, support of Hillary...etc. demonstrates.
Hate to think he is gonna try and SPLIT the vote by going Independent or Libertarian when he does not get the Republican nominee spot?
Possibly...ala Ron Paul, Ross Perot???
It could be...this occurred to me and others, hate to say it... think it...
... that Trump is "like" a double agent, really working for the Dems & libs, of which his past record & stance on gun control, abortion, support of Hillary...etc. demonstrates.
Hate to think he is gonna try and SPLIT the vote by going Independent or Libertarian when he does not get the Republican nominee spot?
Possibly...ala Ron Paul, Ross Perot???
I have entertained this thought as well. Ted Cruz's verbal thrashing of Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor has elevated Cruz in my mind. It's obvious he get's what's going on and his delivery is far more civilize than Trumps. Taking on the majority leader right on the Senate floor takes balls and has far more political risk than anything Trump has done so far. He flat out called McConnell a liar more than once in his speech. Things are going to get interesting for sure.
It could be...this occurred to me and others, hate to say it... think it...
... that Trump is "like" a double agent, really working for the Dems & libs, of which his past record & stance on gun control, abortion, support of Hillary...etc. demonstrates.
Hate to think he is gonna try and SPLIT the vote by going Independent or Libertarian when he does not get the Republican nominee spot?
Possibly...ala Ron Paul, Ross Perot???
After he realizes there's not a chance he'll get the GOP nomination he may go Independent. Libertarian? He's no a Libertarian, so can't see why he'd do that one. If he goes Independent, which he probably should have right from the start, he'll obviously take votes from the GOP vs DEMs and in a close race, that could be the difference. Depending on who the GOP ends up with for a candidate, it may or may not even matter. So Trump could be responsible for Hillary being POTUS, but not intentionally.
not a chance he'll get the GOP nomination he may go Independent
You are right and we have Ross Perot all over again, which will seal it for Billery, just like it did her husband back in '92. It is all part of the plan, Trump is doing this FOR Billery.
Isn't it exciting? We are on the precipice of having this countries inaugural "First Man!!!" Oh, I'm so excited!:jester::jester:
Averageman
07-25-15, 08:08
You are right and we have Ross Perot all over again, which will seal it for Billery, just like it did her husband back in '92. It is all part of the plan, Trump is doing this FOR Billery.
Isn't it exciting? We are on the precipice of having this countries inaugural "First Man!!!" Oh, I'm so excited!:jester::jester:
Hillary is imploding as I'm watching the News this morning. If CNN is after her about the e-mails and her low numbers continue in the polls, she's done.
I don't know if Trump is a mole or not, but if the GOP nominates Jeb or any other establishment candidate the republicans deserve to lose and probably will. Whether that means Trump or Clinton will benefit is anyone's guess. Clinton should be indicted, but we know that won't happen. Cruz seems to be doing well, here lately. A Cruz/Paul, Fiorina, Carson ticket might do well.
Hillary is imploding as I'm watching the News this morning. If CNN is after her about the e-mails and her low numbers continue in the polls, she's done.
Not to mention the DOJ is now considering investigating this e-mail thing more closely as now they've found at least 4-emails that classified info in them..She gets brought up on charges, and it's all over for her. Hmmm, the more I think about it,I think Obumbo himself might be behind this..The Obumbo's and Clintons hate each other, and Obumbo's got nothing to lose, After all, a Republican president would probably spend the next 4 years trying to undo the damage done by Obumbo in the last 8...
Bernie Sanders has A LOT of support from kids in their 20s judging by FB aquantences, pretty much, everbody, that wasnt in the .mil or into guns. Don't underestimate him.
Phillygunguy
07-25-15, 15:18
I have entertained this thought as well. Ted Cruz's verbal thrashing of Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor has elevated Cruz in my mind. It's obvious he get's what's going on and his delivery is far more civilize than Trumps. Taking on the majority leader right on the Senate floor takes balls and has far more political risk than anything Trump has done so far. He flat out called McConnell a liar more than once in his speech. Things are going to get interesting for sure.
I am with you on Cruz I like Rand too but the way Cruz took on McConnell and the way he handled protests from code pink really shows he can debate someone without name calling plus it puts him in a good light
I like Cruz, and Walker. Paul seems a bit more like a loose cannon, but I don't know as much about him.
Bernie Sanders has A LOT of support from kids in their 20s judging by FB aquantences, pretty much, everbody, that wasnt in the .mil or into guns. Don't underestimate him.
You are right to be concerned. Shallow minds make easy mining. As the communists' say, we now control your children - you are nothing.
I do like seeing how nuts the establishment is going over trump. Guys a slime ball, but at least he's not a career politician.
I've always identified as a conservative and a republican. But honestly, I'd like to the the GOP go away. They've lost their way so badly that there isn't any fixing it without clearing them all out.
Until we get someone with enough class and enough balls to really lead, I vote let the GOP burn.
Democrats are going to do their usual silliness. Republicans trying to act like them is even sillier. Silliest is republicans like McCain and Romney..... I want someone who doesn't really give a shit about being everything to everyone, and isn't afraid to hurt people's feelings. Also, they can't be flip flopping political whores that change stance with whatever feels good that week in the polls.
Fact, I'd be nice to not have a president look at polls.... But that's being a bit unrealistic.
Hillary is imploding as I'm watching the News this morning. If CNN is after her about the e-mails and her low numbers continue in the polls, she's done.
I remember Whitewater back in the early 90's and said he'd never be elected. I won't count either of them out until November 2016. You're going to start seeing backlash about how everyone is against her because she is a woman...yada yada yada. That will turn the bleeding hearts over to her side in droves.
I like Cruz, and Walker. Paul seems a bit more like a loose cannon, but I don't know as much about him.
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