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BufordTJustice
07-31-15, 21:15
I really like it and wish it would work on my wife's BCM 14.5" middy, but it is NOT compatible with triangle handguards caps. I'm SOL. I wouldn't even say it's anybody's fault, but the gen 1 MOE handguards fit her triangle handguard cap just fine.
Damn shame, as they feel vastly more comfortable in the hand than the original MOE.
Gonna have to pull an RMA on Monday. Bummer. If any of you have a round front handguard cap, you'll love the new SL.
Just a friendly heads up.
Damn, that's rather disappointing.
Does BCM use both?
I don't know if it was recently changed or not but the magpul website says ROUND in caps in the product description.
It is weird that it's round only. I thought there was only the triangle shaped.
You could always switch the hand guard cap to the round one.
You could always switch the hand guard cap to the round one.
Yeah, but if I'm removing muzzle devices, punching pins, and messing with a gas block..... it takes two more minutes to pop the barrel nut, and I'm on the road to a KMR9.
BufordT, sorry it's not going to work out. A few people I know got bit by the end cap compatibility (though only one actually bought it, the rest were just crushed to find out).
BufordTJustice
08-01-15, 10:08
Yeah, but if I'm removing muzzle devices, punching pins, and messing with a gas block..... it takes two more minutes to pop the barrel nut, and I'm on the road to a KMR9.
BufordT, sorry it's not going to work out. A few people I know got bit by the end cap compatibility (though only one actually bought it, the rest were just crushed to find out).
That's where I'm at. If I'm going to un-perm a muzzle device, I'm going with an AGB and a quality handguard like a KMR.
I think I'm going to throw this with my IWC 1" light mount and IWC QD sling mount on the EE. What a shame. It's really sturdy, clearly superior to the original MOE handguard, and gets more comfortable in your hand the longer you hold it.
The issue with cutting on the handguard rings or the handguard itself, is that you're no longer guaranteed a tight fit. Ugh. I'm certainly not expecting magpul to changes their entire mold to accommodate this issue... But I know a LOT of guys with triangle handguard caps on their middies.
It took me around 2 hours to install these handguards on this BCM upper. I pulled the front sight base off, cut off the bayonet lug and sling mount ( optional ), filed & dremeled it smooth , cold blued then high heat black painted those areas, installed the round end cap I somehow had from years ago, then reinstalled the front sight base with the gas tube still attached. I did not have a whole lot of trouble installing the handguards, but they do fit real tight. I filed just a little bit off the inside of the inside rear corners of the bottom handguard where the corners hit the delta ring and it seemed to help some getting it to snap together. I did not use a handguard installation tool or have any help installing these, but you may. Absolutely no movement in the handguard , I like the shrouded front sight base and to me they feel real nice in the hand. If I were going off to war and had a choice off the carbine configuration, I just might take something like this vs a railed free float handguard that has the front sight mounted to it instead of on the barrel.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss72/Biggy8/Picture%20715.jpg (http://s563.photobucket.com/user/Biggy8/media/Picture%20715.jpg.html)
BufordTJustice
08-01-15, 16:37
It took me around 2 hours to install these handguards on this BCM upper. I pulled the front sight base off, cut off the bayonet lug and sling mount ( optional ), filed & dremeled it smooth , cold blued then high heat black painted the bare metal areas, installed the round end cap I somehow had from years ago, then reinstalled the front sight base with the gas tube still attached. I did not have
a whole lot of trouble installing the handguards, but they do fit real tight. I filed just a little bit off the inside, inside rear corners of the bottom handguard where the corners hit the delta ring and it seemed to help some getting it to snap together. I did not use a handguard installation tool or have any help installing these, but you may. Other than getting a Magpul M-LOK QD sling mount for the rear handguard slot and a flashider of my choice, this KISS build is done. Absolutely no movement in the handguard , I like the shrouded front sight base and they feel real nice in the hand, to me. If I were going off to war and had a choice on the carbine configuration I might just take something like this vs a railed free float handguard that has the front sight mounted to it.
http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss72/Biggy8/aad42d99-fc1c-4a48-9e39-161c47de3383.jpg (http://s563.photobucket.com/user/Biggy8/media/aad42d99-fc1c-4a48-9e39-161c47de3383.jpg.html)
Looks great biggy! Unfortunately, my muzzle device is permed. Not worth the hassle for me. Yours looks sharp though!
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 01:54
I ended up ordering the B5 Systems keymod handguard. I would have preferred the MOE SL, but the B5 works with the triangle handguard cap. MOE SL is up on the EE with all my IWC accessories. Somebody is going to get a solid deal on that. Oh well.
That's where I'm at. If I'm going to un-perm a muzzle device, I'm going with an AGB and a quality handguard like a KMR.
I think I'm going to throw this with my IWC 1" light mount and IWC QD sling mount on the EE. What a shame. It's really sturdy, clearly superior to the original MOE handguard, and gets more comfortable in your hand the longer you hold it.
The issue with cutting on the handguard rings or the handguard itself, is that you're no longer guaranteed a tight fit. Ugh. I'm certainly not expecting magpul to changes their entire mold to accommodate this issue... But I know a LOT of guys with triangle handguard caps on their middies.
Yeah, the SL is such a massive improvement over the original, it's hard to explain if someone hasn't held them. I had the Carbine SL on a rifle for awhile, and it's about as perfect as I think a drop-in polymer handguard could be. Don't be afraid to post up a quick review of the B5, I don't see much mention of it at all, and was wondering if it's a decent handguard.
This is disappointing.
I feel like BCM is the most prolific mid-length around, and both of mine with FSB use the triangle cap.
I wanted one for my Kino :sad:
This is disappointing.
I feel like BCM is the most prolific mid-length around, and both of mine with FSB use the triangle cap.
I wanted one for my Kino :sad:
I'd be willing to bet PSA has a stronger hold on the mid-length market. I don't know if they use round end caps, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a factor in Magpul's decision to go round or triangular.
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BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 10:00
Yeah, the SL is such a massive improvement over the original, it's hard to explain if someone hasn't held them. I had the Carbine SL on a rifle for awhile, and it's about as perfect as I think a drop-in polymer handguard could be. Don't be afraid to post up a quick review of the B5, I don't see much mention of it at all, and was wondering if it's a decent handguard.
Yeah, I agree. It's got all the features I want, is slimmer, and is an improvement in every way. I'm bummed about not being able to use it.
I kinda expect to be disappointed by the B5 on a comparative basis to the SL, but we'll see. The wife just NEEDS something smaller in diameter than the original MOE handguards. She can't pool cue the original MOE against a barrier... Just too big.
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 10:01
I'd be willing to bet PSA has a stronger hold on the mid-length market. I don't know if they use round end caps, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were a factor in Magpul's decision to go round or triangular.
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I had a PSA 14.7" mid a while back. It had a triangle handguard cap as well. That was bought back in early 2012.
Does it look like there's a way to mod the handguard to fit triangle caps?
wildcard600
08-02-15, 10:40
Thats really disappointing. I was under the impression that triangle end caps were the correct one to be used on a mid-length system. What companies are using round ones ?
This link from the TOS has the reasons Magpul decided to use the round handguard end cap with the middy SL handguards. Page 4 and 5. It is what it is. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_124/252930_MOE_SL_Midlength_Handguards_.html
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 11:43
Does it look like there's a way to mod the handguard to fit triangle caps?
I guess it's possible, but I'd worry more about having it "fit", but be just as loose as the original MOE.
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 11:44
This link from the TOS has the reasons Magpul decided to use the round handguard end cap with the middy SL handguards. Page 4 and 5. It is what it is. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_124/252930_MOE_SL_Midlength_Handguards_.html
Biggy, thank you for posting that. You're right, it is what it is.
EDIT: having read the entire thread and Magpul's response, there will be no triangle handguard version. They have made a wager that i hope pays off for them. They decided to make the SL mold in a fashion that excludes triangle handguards for the midlength version. I doubt they'll have that luxury with the rifle length version, as I've never seen a round handguard cap on a rifle length gas gun.
It is what it is, as Magpul has chosen to not accommodate the triangle handguard in their mold. That's life. But, it makes it difficult for me to understand how a "drop-in" part can still require punching off a taper pinned FSB to replace a handguard cap. That's not drop-in, in my book. Still, it's a superior handguard to the original MOE and I do wish it would have fit my wife's upper. Sh*t happens. Time to deal.
I'll update here on my basic impressions of the B5 Systems keymod handguard when they arrive. Ordered from SKD Tac. $36 shipped.
I ended up ordering the B5 Systems keymod handguard. I would have preferred the MOE SL, but the B5 works with the triangle handguard cap. MOE SL is up on the EE with all my IWC accessories. Somebody is going to get a solid deal on that. Oh well.
Here is a B5 Keymod on a BCM upper I put together last week. The bottom corners of the triangle stick out.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540224.jpg
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BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 18:50
Here is a B5 Keymod on a BCM upper I put together last week. The bottom corners of the triangle stick out.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540224.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540222.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540221.jpg
Thank you for posting that. I figured that would protrude a little bit. Worst case scenario, I could lightly grind those corners off and then de-burr them if the wife REALLY hates it. But, honestly, she's going to be wearing her mechanix gloves for anything but an HD scenario anyway.
Does the lip on the bottom act adequately as a handstop to prevent contact with the cap? Is it really as skinny as the online reviews have said? How do you like them?
Impressions please. :D
I'm going to make the call now... There will be a KMR on your wife's rifle in 6 months or less. :)
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 19:51
I'm going to make the call now... There will be a KMR on your wife's rifle in 6 months or less. :)
Not with a perm'd muzzle device. But, otherwise, you'd be correct.
Couldn't you just trim the corners of triangle cap a little so the SL handguards would fit?
BufordTJustice
08-02-15, 22:09
Couldn't you just trim the corners of triangle cap a little so the SL handguards would fit?
From the geometry at the front, the top half would sit too low unless I altered the fitment ring there as well. The bottom half is what interfaces with the corners of the handguard bottom piece. If you can picture a circle perfectly superimposed over an equilateral triangle, that's the issue. I can seat either the top half or the bottom half inside the triangle cap. Just not both.
Thank you for posting that. I figured that would protrude a little bit. Worst case scenario, I could lightly grind those corners off and then de-burr them if the wife REALLY hates it. But, honestly, she's going to be wearing her mechanix gloves for anything but an HD scenario anyway.
Does the lip on the bottom act adequately as a handstop to prevent contact with the cap? Is it really as skinny as the online reviews have said? How do you like them?
Impressions please. :D
Skinny? ANOREXIC is the word. The heat shield inside had to bitch slap the handguard to snap on. Scuffed the barrel some. Like to have never got the top snapped into the delta ring. Here are a couple of pics.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540157.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411540160.jpg
I will take more pics to show some answers to your ??'s
I have big hands, short fingers. Have not shot it yet to feel heat, but I like it as well, feel wise as my KMR. Look at the delta ring and the handguard. Compare diameters.
Here are some different shots of the handguard.
It is 5.75" circumference in the middle and 6" at the delta ring.
Look how close the gas tube is to the inside.
The hand stop is more like a speed bump than a curb stop. Slide right over it.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411542505.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411542503.jpg
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http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411543583.jpg
BufordTJustice
08-03-15, 20:32
Here are some different shots of the handguard.
It is 5.75" circumference in the middle and 6" at the delta ring.
Look how close the gas tube is to the inside.
The hand stop is more like a speed bump than a curb stop. Slide right over it.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411542505.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411542503.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411542502.jpg
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http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1321/4777050/24667382/411543583.jpg
Thanks brother. I actually really like how that looks. Minimalist. I think the wife will love it.
Cmon magpul...... This was going on my next budget build....... But they made a choice so now it's not
BufordTJustice
08-11-15, 21:04
I'm REALLY digging the B5 handguards. They are perfect for my wife's little hands.
BCM 3" black polymer keymod section and an insight WML momentary only.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/5805cdf83defa0234fbf3aedfbaf9cd1.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/03684d3414193859d84e6e7a3c65ea8f.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/1b7c258645534c754904f336eba9c508.jpg
I'm REALLY digging the B5 handguards. They are perfect for my wife's little hands.
BCM 3" black polymer keymod section and an insight WML momentary only.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/5805cdf83defa0234fbf3aedfbaf9cd1.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/03684d3414193859d84e6e7a3c65ea8f.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/1b7c258645534c754904f336eba9c508.jpg
It is slim and tight isn't it? Which MD are you stuck with? How loud is it, side blast, shooter blast/concussion?
BufordTJustice
08-14-15, 15:56
It is slim and tight isn't it? Which MD are you stuck with? How loud is it, side blast, shooter blast/concussion?
It's REALLY tight and quite slim, indeed. It's the PWS FSC556. For the shooter, it's not bad as far as blast.
The gun shoots FLAT with as little recoil as the last KAC SR15 i shot with .223 pressure ammo. The wife loves it for how controllable it is.
How do you attach stuff at 6:00? That handguard looks perfect for a KAG or stubby.
And I'll second the FSC-556's performance. I find it a bit nasally as the shooter, but it does keep the gun stupid flat, and keeps flash surprisingly low too (on a 16", anyway), considering it leans more towards a comp than a hider.
BufordTJustice
08-14-15, 20:04
How do you attach stuff at 6:00? That handguard looks perfect for a KAG or stubby.
And I'll second the FSC-556's performance. I find it a bit nasally as the shooter, but it does keep the gun stupid flat, and keeps flash surprisingly low too (on a 16", anyway), considering it leans more towards a comp than a hider.
As far as i can tell, the 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock holes area just vent holes. Unless B5 releases some kit for those holes, you'd have to fashion your own mount or alter an existing one.
The FSC556 is the very first hybrid device that actually lived up to the claims they made. I'm certainly happy i chose that instead of a BC. This upper is almost 5 years old now. If i were doing it again today, I'd go with an EFAB or an AFAB 5.56.
As far as i can tell, the 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock holes area just vent holes. Unless B5 releases some kit for those holes, you'd have to fashion your own mount or alter an existing one.
The FSC556 is the very first hybrid device that actually lived up to the claims they made. I'm certainly happy i chose that instead of a BC. This upper is almost 5 years old now. If i were doing it again today, I'd go with an EFAB or an AFAB 5.56.
I'm sure you could rig something up pretty easy.
But yeah, you essentially sold me on the EFAB in the PA thread (still haven't gotten around to buying one, but it's on the short list). The FSC is a great device, and if the BCM Mod 0 wasn't so completely adequate, I'd swap it out, but I figure I'll just hang on til I get an EFAB. I have the FSC-47 on an AK as well, and it just blows everything else out of the water when it comes to a good practical device.
BufordTJustice
08-14-15, 20:23
I'm sure you could rig something up pretty easy.
But yeah, you essentially sold me on the EFAB in the PA thread (still haven't gotten around to buying one, but it's on the short list). The FSC is a great device, and if the BCM Mod 0 wasn't so completely adequate, I'd swap it out, but I figure I'll just hang on til I get an EFAB. I have the FSC-47 on an AK as well, and it just blows everything else out of the water when it comes to a good practical device.
It shouldn't be too difficult to rig something up. It appears that Magpul MOE first gen backing plates will fit inside on the bottom, but the hole is on a radius.
BufordTJustice
08-14-15, 20:45
Wife's BCM 14.5" middy with MOE SL stock, Vltor A5H4 buffer, primary arms micro dot, PWS FSC556, and inforce WML momentary only.
Weighs in at 7.07 pounds sans mag.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/b0d614de4e39298696286f8510fae9f6.jpg
My Handy Rifle with a Faxon Gunner 18" rifle gas barrel, SLR Ti Sentry 6 set screw AGB, gen 2 mbus, BCM KAG, IWC QD keymod sling mount, Aimpoint T1 in a Larue LT660, various V7 Weapons parts, a Magpul MOE SL, Surefire P2X 200 lumen light in a BCM gunfighter 1" ring keymod light mount, PA EFAB, and a Vltor A5H4 buffer.
6.93 pounds sans mag.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/fbc205875fedf93cd151f0a297990184.jpg
Wife's BCM 14.5" middy with MOE SL stock, Vltor A5H4 buffer, primary arms micro dot, PWS FSC556, and inforce WML momentary only.
Weighs in at 7.07 pounds sans mag.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/b0d614de4e39298696286f8510fae9f6.jpg
My Handy Rifle with a Faxon Gunner 18" rifle gas barrel, SLR Ti Sentry 6 set screw AGB, gen 2 mbus, BCM KAG, IWC QD keymod sling mount, Aimpoint T1 in a Larue LT660, various V7 Weapons parts, a Magpul MOE SL, Surefire P2X 200 lumen light in a BCM gunfighter 1" ring keymod light mount, PA EFAB, and a Vltor A5H4 buffer.
6.93 pounds sans mag.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/fbc205875fedf93cd151f0a297990184.jpg
Both his and hers look like great setups. Funny thing, I weighed my bone stock M&P Sport (well, with a LaRue rear sight) awhile back, and it's actually about a half-ounce heavier than the BCM with just the irons. I still like a simple drop-in setup, but they've become quite dated with such lightweight free floats. Your wife's gun does look super handy, though.
This rifle is essentially the same weight as yours, 6.94 pounds with a newly-acquired KAG and no magazine or sling. Makes me wish I'd gotten an ELW-F barrel, instead of the standard profile.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/19160303423_7245703981.jpg (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/19160303423_6b31d0ef9d_o.jpg)
BufordTJustice
08-14-15, 22:53
Both his and hers look like great setups. Funny thing, I weighed my bone stock M&P Sport (well, with a LaRue rear sight) awhile back, and it's actually about a half-ounce heavier than the BCM with just the irons. I still like a simple drop-in setup, but they've become quite dated with such lightweight free floats. Your wife's gun does look super handy, though.
This rifle is essentially the same weight as yours, 6.94 pounds with a newly-acquired KAG and no magazine or sling. Makes me wish I'd gotten an ELW-F barrel, instead of the standard profile.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/19160303423_7245703981.jpg (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/19160303423_6b31d0ef9d_o.jpg)
Nice boomstick!
Yeah, the ELW profile is the next big thing in AR barrels. I know other manufacturers have their own interpretation of a continuous taper profile (Faxon's Gunner profile, Ballistic Advantage's Hanson profile, et al), but the ELW with its small gas block journal and lack of a barrel shoulder behind the journal is the most efficient so far.
I sure do love my Gunner profile. Makes my 18" with rifle gas carry and handle like a 16" middy.
Nice boomstick!
Yeah, the ELW profile is the next big thing in AR barrels. I know other manufacturers have their own interpretation of a continuous taper profile (Faxon's Gunner profile, Ballistic Advantage's Hanson profile, et al), but the ELW with its small gas block journal and lack of a barrel shoulder behind the journal is the most efficient so far.
I sure do love my Gunner profile. Makes my 18" with rifle gas carry and handle like a 16" middy.
Thanks, bud. The entire general ELW concept just makes so much sense. Even the EMW. Just getting rid of the forward weight makes a noticeable difference. I've been telling myself I don't need an ELW upper, but I'll probably break soon. And I'm sure yours handles really well, just looking at how thin that profile is. And to come in lighter than most 16" rifles you'd find on any given range? That's a heck of a thing. Plus, it's hard to beat a rifle-length gas system for shear smoothness.
BufordTJustice
08-15-15, 09:52
Thanks, bud. The entire general ELW concept just makes so much sense. Even the EMW. Just getting rid of the forward weight makes a noticeable difference. I've been telling myself I don't need an ELW upper, but I'll probably break soon. And I'm sure yours handles really well, just looking at how thin that profile is. And to come in lighter than most 16" rifles you'd find on any given range? That's a heck of a thing. Plus, it's hard to beat a rifle-length gas system for shear smoothness.
The smoothness is mega. The Gunner profile by Faxon is a std government profile up to the gas block journal. They just reduced the diameter of the gas block journal to .625", and the profile ahead of the gas block journal is pencil profile. It's not a continuous taper like the ELW (so, it doesn't reap any of the barrel harmonics improvements), but it is VERY quick and economical to produce. And it's hard to screw up, machine wise.
I'm VERY pleased with the Faxon barrel. Very pleased.
If BCM made an 18" ELW or even MLW with rifle length gas, i probably would have bought that instead (being a huge fan of BCM), but they don't and indicated they didn't have any plans to when i asked them. Which makes sense as this isn't currently a high volume configuration. But, I'll tell you what, every one of my buddies who has a BCM 16" middy who has shot mine is currently saving for an 18" rifle gas barrel.
I'd already have bought a Faxon Gunner 18" if it had a full length gas block seat, I want to build a lightweight 18" rifle gassed gun, probably with A1 handguards... but that's a little difficult with the Gunner. I'll probably end up with the VooDoo, although I'd prefer the .625 seat of the Faxon.
BufordTJustice
08-15-15, 10:58
I'd already have bought a Faxon Gunner 18" if it had a full length gas block seat, I want to build a lightweight 18" rifle gassed gun, probably with A1 handguards... but that's a little difficult with the Gunner. I'll probably end up with the VooDoo, although I'd prefer the .625 seat of the Faxon.
Nate at Faxon said they were going to do a run of 20" Gunner barrels with a full length FSB compatible gas block journal. They had no plans to do that for an 18" barrel.
The smoothness is mega. The Gunner profile by Faxon is a std government profile up to the gas block journal. They just reduced the diameter of the gas block journal to .625", and the profile ahead of the gas block journal is pencil profile. It's not a continuous taper like the ELW (so, it doesn't reap any of the barrel harmonics improvements), but it is VERY quick and economical to produce. And it's hard to screw up, machine wise.
I'm VERY pleased with the Faxon barrel. Very pleased.
If BCM made an 18" ELW or even MLW with rifle length gas, i probably would have bought that instead (being a huge fan of BCM), but they don't and indicated they didn't have any plans to when i asked them. Which makes sense as this isn't currently a high volume configuration. But, I'll tell you what, every one of my buddies who has a BCM 16" middy who has shot mine is currently saving for an 18" rifle gas barrel.
Faxon has been making a lot of good stuff for sure.
So it's that much smoother, huh? I might have to try a similar setup. I assume it's been reliable with the A5?
BufordTJustice
08-15-15, 16:16
Faxon has been making a lot of good stuff for sure.
So it's that much smoother, huh? I might have to try a similar setup. I assume it's been reliable with the A5?
Fully reliable using the A5H4 buffer and LMT e-carrier. If you have a std carrier, I'd use the A5H2 or maybe the A5H3 buffer.
FaxonNathan
08-15-15, 19:08
I'd already have bought a Faxon Gunner 18" if it had a full length gas block seat, I want to build a lightweight 18" rifle gassed gun, probably with A1 handguards... but that's a little difficult with the Gunner. I'll probably end up with the VooDoo, although I'd prefer the .625 seat of the Faxon.
Next batch was profiled and we made that change. 1.9" Journal, .625" block. On a larger note, all GUNNER barrels are going through this change. Pencil profiles will maintain the 1" gas block journal.
ETA 2 weeks to get through QPQ.
As far as i can tell, the 6 o'clock and 12 o'clock holes area just vent holes. Unless B5 releases some kit for those holes, you'd have to fashion your own mount or alter an existing one.
The FSC556 is the very first hybrid device that actually lived up to the claims they made. I'm certainly happy i chose that instead of a BC. This upper is almost 5 years old now. If i were doing it again today, I'd go with an EFAB or an AFAB 5.56.
Would a Magpul MVG MOE Vertical grip work?
BufordTJustice
08-15-15, 19:53
Next batch was profiled and we made that change. 1.9" Journal, .625" block. On a larger note, all GUNNER barrels are going through this change. Pencil profiles will maintain the 1" gas block journal.
ETA 2 weeks to get through QPQ.
Glad i got mine when i did, since i don't need the bigger journal. :)
BufordTJustice
08-15-15, 19:54
Would a Magpul MVG MOE Vertical grip work?
It COULD, but it would be far too wide. I'm kinda waiting for a skinny MLOK style grip aid, like the BCM KAG.
Fully reliable using the A5H4 buffer and LMT e-carrier. If you have a std carrier, I'd use the A5H2 or maybe the A5H3 buffer.
Noted. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for sending me towards yet another purchase lol.
BufordTJustice
08-16-15, 12:27
Noted. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for sending me towards yet another purchase lol.
As always, I'm happy to help (you spend more money). [emoji12]
titsonritz
08-16-15, 17:09
I'm REALLY digging the B5 handguards. They are perfect for my wife's little hands.
BCM 3" black polymer keymod section and an insight WML momentary only.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/5805cdf83defa0234fbf3aedfbaf9cd1.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/03684d3414193859d84e6e7a3c65ea8f.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/11/1b7c258645534c754904f336eba9c508.jpg
Are those B5 handguards much lighter the older MOE handguards, not the new SL models?
BufordTJustice
08-16-15, 17:45
Are those B5 handguards much lighter the older MOE handguards, not the new SL models?
I didn't weigh them, and the light setups i used are different, but the B5 hand guards do feel slightly lighter. FWIW.
titsonritz
08-16-15, 19:32
Thanks. I have a LW I want to keep light, no rail.
Slimline carbine and MOE carbine handguards weigh about the same
Next batch was profiled and we made that change. 1.9" Journal, .625" block. On a larger note, all GUNNER barrels are going through this change. Pencil profiles will maintain the 1" gas block journal.
ETA 2 weeks to get through QPQ.That's good to hear, I'll have to pick one up once the new ones are out. I imagine the difference in weight is pretty negligible, and on most guns it's hidden. I guess it's time to find an A1 upper, FSB, etc.
titsonritz
08-17-15, 13:32
Slimline carbine and MOE carbine handguards weigh about the same
Thanks
jerrysimons
08-22-15, 14:42
Well, I had hoped to post pictures of triumph and redemption of these MOE SL Midlength handguards but sadly the bottom price cracked during installation, which compared to the ease of the original MOE handguard poping on and off these MOE SL were the biggest pain in the neck piece of kit I have ever had the displeasure of attempting to install on an AR. Thanks anyway for the deal BTJ!
On the up side SIONICS Patrol Zero uppers do have round handguard caps! FYI
I don't remember my carbine length MOE SL being quite as hard to install (though still difficult, they didn't crack).
jerrysimons
08-22-15, 15:48
Here is some MOE SL porn anyway
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/accidentprone86/Mobile%20Uploads/F3DF24AB-4E88-471A-81A3-A16A339C37D3_zpsombihs2e.jpg (http://s8.photobucket.com/user/accidentprone86/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F3DF24AB-4E88-471A-81A3-A16A339C37D3_zpsombihs2e.jpg.html)
I'll see if Magpul will warranty the midlengths.
Necro thread bump!
Has anyone modified an SL handguard for the triangular cap yet? Pics?
It's not really possible without severe mods. When people send me uppers, I simply remove the FSB and replace the cap.
Necro thread bump!
Has anyone modified an SL handguard for the triangular cap yet? Pics?
It's not really possible without severe mods. When people send me uppers, I simply remove the FSB and replace the cap.
I guess that's what I'm going to have to do. I was just hoping there was another way as I was planning on putting the whole thing together tomorrow.
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