View Full Version : Any fans of the old CAR stock?
wild_wild_wes
08-16-15, 17:23
27 years after putting my first CAR stock on an AR, I just did it again...
I've tried dozens of telestocks over the years (B5 Bravo being my current favorite), but this "old" design has its virtues too: simple and very light weight, something ARs have been moving away from, regrettably.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/e01fcbf1-3d69-4054-afe0-25c746929bb9_zpsx93bdoh0.jpg
I like it! Any other fans here?
QuickStrike
08-16-15, 17:32
I'd rock that on my 6920 in a heart beat!
+
stock plastic handguard
Some simple front sight post attachment for a small surefire
Sling
Aimpoint m3 in a larue mount...
Thats gotta be a semi-retro build right there.
Anyone have one in good condition, which you're willing to part with, PM me please.
Wes,
Send me one and I will trade you 50 lbs. on the squat via the internets! ;)
I love it, but the toe is too short for me. I've somehow ended up with none of my old CAR Colt stocks. :(
wild_wild_wes
08-16-15, 17:57
I'd rock that on my 6920 in a heart beat!
+
stock plastic handguard
Some simple front sight post attachment for a small surefire
Sling
Aimpoint m3 in a larue mount...
Thats gotta be a semi-retro build right there.
Anyone have one in good condition, which you're willing to part with, PM me please.
Wes,
Send me one and I will trade you 50 lbs. on the squat via the internets! ;)
I do classify it as "semi-retro":
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii173/USPx4/Mobile%20Uploads/381bdc92-1020-4a33-b687-911cb6a67dda_zpszd4hoogn.jpg
No need to find a used one, QuickStrike. I just bought the tele; it's brand new, current production:
http://mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1592&iCat=21&iSubOne=397
Anyone know who the manufacturer is?
Since you asked, I hate the CAR stock. Uncomfortable, ugly too short from heel to toe and lack convenient sling mounts. They are also painful to shoot when on a 308
Flankenstein
08-16-15, 20:23
Do like.
Boba Fett v2
08-16-15, 21:46
If you like compact, simple, lightweight and even a bit more comfortable, you should consider the LWRC compact stock (https://www.lwrci.com/p-336-lwrci-compact-stock.aspx) option.
Gatorshark
08-16-15, 22:11
I like the way they look but they don't function for me.
I've been watching "Restrepo" and "Korengal" on netflix. And you can see many of these old stocks in use by the soldiers in the Korengal valley.
Do not like.
Toe is too short, body is too short. Them thangs will catch beard hair and pull it out by the fist-full.
I gave a couple of Colt N stocks away before they were retro.:(
I got the retro bug, and restored this carbine to the state as it existed in early 2000s. The CAR stock looks good on 10.5" or 11.5" carbines, and looks pretty good here, but it takes a big step back in ergonomics. It's just a bit shorter than the ribbed M4 stock, but the pad is too small, barely usable is all I can say about it other than its looks lol.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/retrom4_zpsoavug7hz.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/retrom4_zpsoavug7hz.jpg.html)
I absolutely love them. Use them on all my builds.
I used to run SOPMODs on all my builds, and while the cheek weld is awesome and comfortable, the stock is also extremely bulky and heavy. I decided to start trying lighter weight options, so I moved to Magpul CTRs. And while they are a really nice stock, they can even be on the heavy side. I decided to try CARs and waffles again just to go with the lightest weight option and I was blown away at how much I liked them. The extremely light weight just makes it feel like a different gun. Plus, the CAR in particular is very short and you can get an extremely compact OAL. I use one on my Mk 12 clone and have been out on the gun for hours in prone and have been able to group on steel out to 500 just fine - so the lack of the SOPMOD cheek weld clearly isn't affecting my shooting.
Here's my 300 blackout build with one on it.
http://d.pr/i/16ZeT+
militarymoron
08-17-15, 10:47
I like them only on a retro build for the same reasons other have mentioned here - toe too short, no angle, lack of rubber buttpad etc. I do like the looks though.
Flankenstein
08-17-15, 11:04
I like them only on a retro build for the same reasons other have mentioned here - toe too short, no angle, lack of rubber buttpad etc. I do like the looks though.
Yea, agree. Should have specified that in my post.
I never thought I'd see the day that Duffy's rifle would seem 'retro'.
That was pretty high speed and it seems like just yesterday.
For a general carbine I too like the CAR-15 stock. I'm not a hairy man so the beard thing has no bearing, but it fits my shoulder pocket so well. I have a few (not for sale) laying about waiting for a build or two.
Love 'em. I would use all Colt N stocks if I could afford them, but dang, they are getting pricey.
...no angle...
That's the one thing I like about them. The whole funky angle on the Magpul stocks is a bit annoying but I guess it helps those guys who wear armor?
Haha, I recently built an M16A1 clone, and while I like the capabilities on my favorite AR (IR target designator, flashlight, ACOG TA31ECOS, all the stuff I want and none of the stuff I don't), it's heavy and unwieldy.
The M16A2 clone (pictured below), while long due to its 20" barrel and A1 stock, is light and nimble.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/001_zpsiks3lerq.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/001_zpsiks3lerq.jpg.html)
I really tried to like the CAR stock, the CAR stock and I go way back to my college days when I got my first Colt carbine in the mid 80s, I just can't shake the thought that it's good enough to get the job done, but not great at it. For something light, the ribbed M4 stock is great, it's not much longer.
jerrysimons
08-17-15, 15:07
I love them, but only on ultralight builds. Otherwise it is Magpul MOE-SL or STR.
KalashniKEV
08-17-15, 16:01
LOVE them.
I can't get enough N stock.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMAG0180_zpsvevhdtmr.jpg
I really wish Magpul would create a true minimalist stock in the MOE-K line. MOE-SL is too much toe, too long. LWRC "Compact" is FAT.
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMAG0907_zpskzgksey2.jpg
Doc Safari
08-17-15, 16:05
I have mixed feelings. I do not like the steel sling swivel dangling from the rear of the modern stock. It's not needed due to the slots in the stock and it tends to bump you or snag on things at every opportunity. The retro stock of course does not have that sling swivel.
I don't like the loop on top of the stock because that tends to be "in the way" while firing.
Ultimately I think someone should design a stock that is the best of both designs.
Big fan here, I've got a CAR stock on my SBR along with CAR handguards. Light and simple.
Sometimes the old ways are best.
wild_wild_wes
08-17-15, 21:29
Since you asked, I hate the CAR stock. Uncomfortable, ugly too short from heel to toe and lack convenient sling mounts. They are also painful to shoot when on a 308
Yeah, well, like that's your opinion, man :cool:
wild_wild_wes
08-17-15, 21:31
I used to run SOPMODs on all my builds, and while the cheek weld is awesome and comfortable, the stock is also extremely bulky and heavy.
SOPMODs are best used on Precision rifles, IMHO.
I like the looks of the N1 stocks, but functionally there are better options.
SOPMODs are best used on Precision rifles, IMHO.
Until your support hand on a bag under the stock disengages the latch and your optic dings you in the eyebrow. I had this happen to me on my 762 obr. It felt really nice.
Yeah, well, like that's your opinion, man :cool:
You know what raising kids taught me? If you don't wanna hear the answer, don't ask the quesstion :no:
Anyone know where they're available without a tube kit? I could go for another one.
How similar is the LWRC UCIW? https://www.lwrci.com/p-361-uciw-ultra-compact-stock.aspx seems fairly similar looking but maybe shorter...
Anyone know where they're available without a tube kit? I could go for another one.
https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1592&iCat=21&iSubOne=397
I have one, just like the original N-type CAR stocks.
I love it, but the toe is too short for me. I've somehow ended up with none of my old CAR Colt stocks. :(
Colt N1 stock is the shit! Thanks markm for this one back a few years ago.
http://i.imgur.com/kSY7dHS.jpg
KalashniKEV
08-18-15, 15:42
How similar is the LWRC UCIW? https://www.lwrci.com/p-361-uciw-ultra-compact-stock.aspx seems fairly similar looking but maybe shorter...
That stock involves the installation of non-standard, LWRC proprietary parts. You would have to be completely insane to hook that thing up to your gun just to save an inch.
The LWRC "Compact Stock" uses a standard tube, but it's like a mini SOPMOD (FAT!).
That stock involves the installation of non-standard, LWRC proprietary parts. You would have to be completely insane to hook that thing up to your gun just to save an inch.
The LWRC "Compact Stock" uses a standard tube, but it's like a mini SOPMOD (FAT!).Lots of guys would spend lots of money for another inch ;) but back on the subject, it's close to the difference between a 14.5" pinned/welded and a 16". It's not particularly difficult to remove if you decide you don't like it, so I'm considering trying one. It's pretty cheap when compared to other extra-short stocks, too.
https://www.mapartsinc.com/shop/details.asp?id=1592&iCat=21&iSubOne=397
I have one, just like the original N-type CAR stocks.
Frank you.
Boba Fett v2
08-18-15, 18:14
How similar is the LWRC UCIW? https://www.lwrci.com/p-361-uciw-ultra-compact-stock.aspx seems fairly similar looking but maybe shorter...
As previously stated, that's a proprietary system ideal for PDWs. I plan to run it on a PDW build I'm currently working on. The standard Compact Stock is what I run on my KAC Carbine.
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This is my least favorite stock. The small height, lack of grip, loose fit, and poor sling mounts make this a no go for me. I can't think of a situation where I would take the CAR stock over pretty much anything else. If I want compact length, VLTOR IMOD. Anything else, SOPMOD.
the_1iviper
08-18-15, 19:18
the n-1 car stock is one of my favorite stocks :cool:
wild_wild_wes
08-18-15, 21:27
This is my least favorite stock. The small height, lack of grip, loose fit, and poor sling mounts make this a no go for me. I can't think of a situation where I would take the CAR stock over pretty much anything else. If I want compact length, VLTOR IMOD. Anything else, SOPMOD.
The one I just got from M&A fits real snug, no rattle at all.
SeriousStudent
08-18-15, 21:45
I have one of the old Colt N 1 stocks, I use it because it's not broken. I think I paid eight bucks for it at a gun show a long, long time ago, and stuck it on a carbine.
When it breaks, I'll buy a new stock.
KalashniKEV
08-18-15, 22:01
It's not particularly difficult to remove if you decide you don't like it, so I'm considering trying one. It's pretty cheap when compared to other extra-short stocks, too.
...and then your gun stops up and you're like, "Hmmmm... is it the mag? Is it the ammo? Lube OK? Could it be this bizarre proprietary buffer system from Planet Pluto?!?"
The one I just got from M&A fits real snug, no rattle at all.
Good to know. I just picked up another... for no reason at all.
This is my favorite stock.
BlackWatch16
08-18-15, 22:21
Of course they were in use by the soldiers...it's what came on their issued carbine (or a near identical model). Much like other items mass purchased by DOD...low cost and easy to replace. I remember using this stock before getting tired of it loosening up over time as it was abused under hard use. So I replaced with a personal stock ordered through amazon since there were no other options at the time...until SOPMOD came along. There's a reason the program started in the SOF community and then started to migrate into the conventional side. The only thing better than us getting new stocks was eventually getting new DD URGs with free float barrels :)
Seriously though...we all know the stock works...it's not like it's a complete piece of junk...it does the job. I just leaves a lot to be desired on the modern carbine. They loosen and eventually break under hard use, especially when dropped or purposely slammed into the ground to fix a failure to unlock - inevitable in a hot/dry/dusty climate regardless of how well you keep it lubed. Most of these issues stem from the lack of a legitimate butt pad. It's also uncomfortable, is prone to snagging on gear/clothing, and results in sharp edges when it cracks or breaks. Finally, it is...dare I say...too light! I know that's taboo speech these days, but with the modern warfighter mounting an optic, light, ATPIAL, etc, the old school stock just doesn't balance well. It doesn't take a much heavier stock to fix the balance issue, but when it's done right it is truly a machine in harmony.
I think they
use to call them featherweight stocks, But I remember Colt had them on all their carbine models in the late 70's. Would like to have one now, but the one's made now don't tell what size receiver extension it fits. And then I think Colt was a 2 or 4 position extension.
colt191145lover
08-31-15, 18:18
I dont mind the Colt N1 stock other than the rattle . It is my wife's preference as it doesn't interfere with her "chest appendages" ... YMMV
If you like compact, simple, lightweight and even a bit more comfortable, you should consider the LWRC compact stock (https://www.lwrci.com/p-336-lwrci-compact-stock.aspx) option.
+1. LWRC compact is the 21st century CAR stock.
+1. LWRC compact is the 21st century CAR stock.
Is it appreciably more compact than the BCM Mod 0? They seem fairly similar in overall design, but it's hard to get a sense of size just looking at the LWRC photos.
I use a Colt alloy vinyl acetote coated stock on mine,but took it off because people tell me its a collector item. I should sell it. While I like it I put the plastic one back on. Maybe I may make a retro or just sell it.
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