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I honestly knew little about the guy. His rep was as a far left loonie tune. However, looking at his voting record and listening to a few speeches, I not sure that's the total truth. Before anyone goes on a rant, Q #1: if you had to choose between Sanders or Hillary, which would it be? From what I'm seeing so far, I'd take Sanders. But, I posted this to learn more, so learn me on this guy, minus generic "He's just a liberal" statements.
Looking at his voting record, it seems almost Libertarian-ish. He's far from a staunch supporter of 2A, but he seems marginally better than Hillary et al. What's the specifics on this guy we need to know about him, especially as it pertains to who he's likely going to he's going to fight with for the nomination. His voting record and other intel:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
He identifies as a democratic socialist. He's big on leveling the income disparity playing field and is anti-capitalism. He promises to raise taxes on the wealthy and businesses. He opposes energy independence initiatives like the Keystone XL pipeline. He advocates free tuition at all public colleges and universities. He supports pretty much everything I'm against and vice versa.
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-20-15, 19:02
He's got the maple nuts to call himself a Socialist, so people can't complain later that we didn't know. Didn't the NRA endorse him over someone else once?
His getting on the bad side of BLM I think was more his tonedeafness rather than sanity. Speaking of which, Hilliary in private took to BLMers to task about how they weren't going to get anywhere. While I think her real point was they need get more concrete actions like laws and programs, she at least didn't just pander to them- which is what passes for close to amazing. If any GOP outside of Trump said that, the press would be aghast.
Here you go:
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Bernie_Sanders.htm
Cliff Notes: Radical Leftist Communist.
All I need to know about this guy.. 90% tax rate isn't too high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdiYPgN_EbA
SilverBullet432
08-20-15, 20:38
What a tool.
wildcard600
08-20-15, 22:20
I'd take sanders over clinton personally. at least the sob has the stones to be honest with his views/political leanings.
Sanders recently advocated banning any firearms other than hunting guns.
from: http://deadline.com/2015/07/bernie-sanders-calls-for-stronger-gun-laws-after-theater-shooting-1201485320/
"Speaking from New Orleans on NBC’s Meet The Press, Sanders told moderator Chuck Todd that “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”
Sanders recently advocated banning any firearms other than hunting guns.
from: http://deadline.com/2015/07/bernie-sanders-calls-for-stronger-gun-laws-after-theater-shooting-1201485320/
"Speaking from New Orleans on NBC’s Meet The Press, Sanders told moderator Chuck Todd that “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”
Prime example of someone who has no clue what he's saying. So ars and ak's are okay, but duty handguns should be banned. I think his initials explain it all.
B.S.
titsonritz
08-20-15, 22:54
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
Whiskey_Bravo
08-20-15, 22:59
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
Obviously we didn't put a stake in it's heart, shoot it in the head, and kill it with fire.
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
Not yet. We bankrupted the source through great effort but the last time somebody tried to do something about the communists in our country his name became synonymous with character assassination which is ironic because that is what the communists managed to do to him.
Now we're talking about Marxist Communism versus Democratic Socialism. Bernie doesn't want us to become the USSR. He just wants us to be like our more civilized buddies in Western Europe and Scandinavia. You know, socialized medicine, no guns, free college, distributed wealth, green energy, etc.
He would never get elected because even Democrats aren't that stupid. Stranger things have happened though. He could be the next FDR if the timing is right. :)
BoringGuy45
08-21-15, 00:13
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
It never left. It just changed tactics and names. During the days of the Cold War, communists had the backing of a world superpower, so they were able, or at least felt able, to spread communism through warfare and terrorism. Nowadays, they don't have the luxury. They can't just march in armed and give the old Borg "lower your shields and surrender your ship. Resistance is futile." They need to make the world evolve into giving them more and more power. That's why they all enter academia, arts, and media. They change the way young generations think until they march like good little soldiers. Once people realize that they're in position to take over, it's too late.
No, the sickle and hammer is still around. It's just not flying over an army yet.
MountainRaven
08-21-15, 00:23
Here you go:
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Bernie_Sanders.htm
Cliff Notes: Radical Leftist Communist.
So about as Libertarian as most of the GOP candidates.
So about as Libertarian as most of the GOP candidates.
Most of the GOP are pretty far removed from a Libertarian position, but I'd rather lean a bit to the right than play deep left.
I would never consider Bernie a leader. Recently he was kicked off his own stage by Black Lives Matter protesters. If he slinks away from protesters how would he hold up to other world leaders??
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/
PatrioticDisorder
08-21-15, 08:10
As much as everyone on here has their chicken little attitude, I don't think it matters who the dems run, I've been saying 2016 will likely be a wave election for those who believe in freedom. Bernie Sanders missed his shot at running for Soviet premier, that ship sailed on him in 1991.
I would vote for him over HC just because he doesn't come across as an arrogant douche a la Clinton. He is very much a populist, all about the little guy; HC and Co. comes across as wanting to be like that as long as they can afford the $5,000 campaign dinner.
The thing about him or anyone with politics that far askew is the liklihood of getting anything passed is slim. Sure, he could resort to EOs and all like Obama, but you can't EO your way to new tax policy.
skywalkrNCSU
08-21-15, 08:58
As much as I at least respect the guy for not taking contributions from corporations and seemingly having some integrity, I just can't get on board with his actual views. Part of me sees him as better than Hildog but at the same time I think at least Hildog can be controlled to an extent whereas Sanders would go with his socialist ideas regardless of if it meant winning a second term.
sevenhelmet
08-21-15, 09:18
He would never get elected because even Democrats aren't that stupid. Stranger things have happened though...
Like them electing barry, twice?
As for BLM, he's white. Doesn't that automatically put him on their bad side?
MountainRaven
08-21-15, 09:27
As much as I at least respect the guy for not taking contributions from corporations and seemingly having some integrity, I just can't get on board with his actual views. Part of me sees him as better than Hildog but at the same time I think at least Hildog can be controlled to an extent whereas Sanders would go with his socialist ideas regardless of if it meant winning a second term.
You'd rather have 8 years of Hilldog than 4 years of Chairman Sanders followed by 4 years of anybody from the GOP with a pulse?
I wrote:
Sanders recently advocated banning any firearms other than hunting guns.
from: http://deadline.com/2015/07/bernie-sanders-calls-for-stronger-gun-laws-after-theater-shooting-1201485320/
"Speaking from New Orleans on NBC’s Meet The Press, Sanders told moderator Chuck Todd that “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”
To which MegademiC responded:
Prime example of someone who has no clue what he's saying. So ars and ak's are okay, but duty handguns should be banned. I think his initials explain it all.
B.S.
I seriously doubt that Bernie Sanders thinks that ARs and AKs are okay. More than likely they would fall under what he defines as “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”
skywalkrNCSU
08-21-15, 11:01
You'd rather have 8 years of Hilldog than 4 years of Chairman Sanders followed by 4 years of anybody from the GOP with a pulse?
Did I say that?
BoringGuy45
08-21-15, 11:08
Sanders is more dangerous than Hillary IMO. Hillary is a power hungry politician who simply wants the title of "president". Sanders is ideology driven and I get the impression is the type who would be willing to use force against those who disagree with him, rather than these political pranks like Obama likes to use.
Let's see: Would I rather have cholera or dysentery?
Hhmmmm, decisions, decisions...
brickboy240
08-21-15, 11:17
Yeah...this is like choosing between airline food and hospital food.
Or Gen 1 MRE from Circa 1985.
sandsunsurf
08-21-15, 12:58
I would take Sanders over Hillary. Hillary is as corrupt as it gets. And a proven liar. Sanders is at least up front about his position. I don't think he's a great orator, and I think he wouldn't get much done in the White House. Hillary is dangerous, with her money and connections and ability to lie her ass off and still have people support her. Fortunately, I won't have to make this choice; I'll support any GOP pick over Sanders or Clinton or virtually any other dem.
Moose-Knuckle
08-21-15, 13:30
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
Nope, we allowed them to infiltrate academia, Hollywood, and pop-culture in the name of Freedom of Speech.
Old J. Edgar should have black bagged everyone of the SOBs but I guess he was too busy playing hide the Nazi with his boy toys.
Nope, we allowed them to infiltrate academia, Hollywood, and pop-culture in the name of Freedom of Speech.
Old J. Edgar should have black bagged everyone of the SOBs but I guess he was too busy playing hide the Nazi with his boy toys.
After Joe McCartrhy was censured, branded an alcoholic and publicly vilified, folks turned their attention outward and fought communism in shitty little countries around the world, all the while the "Party" was still going on here in the US. Joe was on the right track all along, Venona project anyone? Obama didn't bring with him to Washington all of these middle and lower level bureaucrats so willing to go along with his farce, they have been slowly taking over in anticipation of this hard left turn...
I grew up in MA but have lived in VT since 1992. Sanders scares the crap out of me. He is a rebel and seems fairly honest. Traits I respect. That's where it ends for me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
MountainRaven
08-21-15, 20:02
I grew up in MA but have lived in VT since 1992. Sanders scares the crap out of me. He is a rebel and seems fairly honest. Traits I respect. That's where it ends for me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
That raises a potentially entertaining possibility:
Bernie might be the sort of capable politician the US has lacked at a leadership level for some time. It would be interesting to see Bernie make Putin look like an incompetent putz while himself looking like he just woke up from a nap and is completely innocent of any complicity in Putin's poor luck.
Not that I'm sure that he can do it. Not that I'm sure that I think that I'd want him as president for everything else... but still.
Like them electing barry, twice?
As for BLM, he's white. Doesn't that automatically put him on their bad side?
Obama is the status quo Democrat and nowhere near the Socialist Sanders is. Not that it makes Obama any better.
It seems you either take the corruption and death of 1,000 cuts Socialism of Obama, the Clintons, etc. or the blatant, frank Socialism of Sanders.
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
Not even close. They went underground, and have infiltrated us from the inside.
This interview provides some insight into how they did this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0
I grew up in MA but have lived in VT since 1992. Sanders scares the crap out of me. He is a rebel and seems fairly honest. Traits I respect. That's where it ends for me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
Interesting article! Had no idea on that one. Sanders and the NRA, now that's a mixture I didn't see coming.
BoringGuy45
08-22-15, 11:53
I hope that doesn't sway anyone. His record on gun rights has been reprehensible since then.
I grew up in MA but have lived in VT since 1992. Sanders scares the crap out of me. He is a rebel and seems fairly honest. Traits I respect. That's where it ends for me.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-nra-helped-put-bernie-sanders-in-congress/2015/07/19/ed1be26c-2bfe-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html
A perfect example of how single issue voters often screw themselves in the end.
Sanders is more dangerous than Hillary IMO. Hillary is a power hungry politician who simply wants the title of "president". Sanders is ideology driven and I get the impression is the type who would be willing to use force against those who disagree with him, rather than these political pranks like Obama likes to use.
Hillary is way more dangerous than Sanders. More connections and trail of dead bodies leading up to this point. Congress could stand up to Sanders, stop him in his tracks with the right leadership changes, but not the Clinton political machine imo.
I wrote:
To which MegademiC responded:
I seriously doubt that Bernie Sanders thinks that ARs and AKs are okay. More than likely they would fall under what he defines as “guns used to kill people exclusively, not for hunting, should not be sold in the United States of America.”
Agreed, my point is that what he said, at face value, does not jive with what he believes. People hunt with ars and aks, not handguns. He either doesn't know what he's saying or he's lying to not push away hunters.
I would imagine, deep down, he wants all guns banned.
Pst that, he despises success, he's like the ani-trump in that regard, not that I'm a huge trump fan, but he celebrates success, which is refreshing.
Agreed, my point is that what he said, at face value, does not jive with what he believes. People hunt with ars and aks, not handguns. He either doesn't know what he's saying or he's lying to not push away hunters.
Okay. Now I understand what you are saying. But I would not expect the fact that some people may use ARs or AKs or handguns for hunting to hold sway with those wanting to ban them. When those people are talking about hunting or sporting guns, they are generally referring to bolt action and lever action rifles, and pump action shotguns with 28" or longer barrels, and double barreled shotguns.
I would imagine, deep down, he wants all guns banned.
I think you are right.
FlyingHunter
08-22-15, 18:42
NRA Rating for Bernie:
In 2002, he received an F from the gun lobby group, then climbed to a D+ in 2004, and peaked with a C- in 2006. During his last election, in 2012, Sanders had dropped to a D-.
NRA Rating for Bernie:
In 2002, he received an F from the gun lobby group, then climbed to a D+ in 2004, and peaked with a C- in 2006. During his last election, in 2012, Sanders had dropped to a D-.
I didn't even bother to look, but I suspect that's still a letter grade higher than Hillary? Did you read that article from the Washington Post? Sanders got into office due to none other than the NRA it appears, so they too considered him a lesser of two evils at one time at least. On this single issue, he may be the lesser of two evils to his Dem rival also.
Eurodriver
08-23-15, 11:46
Did anyone read the entire article? (Not meant to sound condescending)
I thought it was interesting that despite his opposition to pro-gun laws, he kept his word even though it meant voting pro-gun.
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
We defeated USSR communism, but not the organic communism embraced by the left since the 60's that now is essentially the Democrat Party Platform. I think it is more fascism, because it is totalitarian in nature, but ultimately the are all the same. Just more oppression.
At least Sanders is honest about is, and you know where he stands. The other Dem candidates won't use the word socialism, but that is what they want. Yes, I know Sanders is an independent. I'd rather have Colonel Sanders, than Bernie Sanders.
Did anyone read the entire article? (Not meant to sound condescending)
I thought it was interesting that despite his opposition to pro-gun laws, he kept his word even though it meant voting pro-gun.
I read it.
The only reason he "kept his word" and voted 'no' on the waiting period is so he could keep the vote of rural Vermont. Most likely single issue voters.
It's why the NRA grading system is such a farce. Why are people forgetting Harry Reid?
Eurodriver
08-23-15, 12:12
I read it.
The only reason he "kept his word" and voted 'no' on the waiting period is so he could keep the vote of rural Vermont. Most likely single issue voters.
It's why the NRA grading system is such a farce. Why are people forgetting Harry Reid?
Very true. He wont give a shit once on a national stage.
Very true. He wont give a shit once on a national stage.
No doubt. It's sad how many people think he's trustworthy so they will cast their vote in ignorance. Is he more honest than Hillary? Well, that's not a hard feat by a long stretch.
The only potential benefit of someone like Clinton is her blatant corruption. So even if she does win the Democratic nomination she's much easier to fight than this Socialist, "equity for all" phony targeting the common person that hates the wealthy and corporations.
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sevenhelmet
08-23-15, 16:10
Sanders is dangerous.
sevenhelmet
08-23-15, 16:15
Obama is the status quo Democrat and nowhere near the Socialist Sanders is. Not that it makes Obama any better.
It seems you either take the corruption and death of 1,000 cuts Socialism of Obama, the Clintons, etc. or the blatant, frank Socialism of Sanders.
Sanders is dangerous. Even if I knew nothing else, I would never be able to vote for someone who is a self-described socialist. Sander vs. Hillary is two different flavors of death to America either way.
Also, Obama is not a "status-quo" democrat. He's been shaking up the status quo since he got elected, even before he officially took office, by the "death of 1000 cuts" to which you refer in your post above. Reference everything from running up a massive deficit while cutting the military budget to "save money", to setting back race relations by 40+ years (I left a lot out in the middle for brevity). Long story short, a "status quo" democrat wouldn't have done half the damage Obama has done to this country.
Voodoo_Man
08-23-15, 16:45
I survived one communist regime.
I do not feel like having to fight to get out of another one.
sevenhelmet
08-23-15, 18:10
^Agreed.
Sanders is dangerous. Even if I knew nothing else, I would never be able to vote for someone who is a self-described socialist. Sander vs. Hillary is two different flavors of death to America either way.
Also, Obama is not a "status-quo" democrat. He's been shaking up the status quo since he got elected, even before he officially took office, by the "death of 1000 cuts" to which you refer in your post above. Reference everything from running up a massive deficit while cutting the military budget to "save money", to setting back race relations by 40+ years (I left a lot out in the middle for brevity). Long story short, a "status quo" democrat wouldn't have done half the damage Obama has done to this country.
With all due respect, the death of 1,000 cuts is the status quo, whether Democrat or Republican. I'm not sure which Presidents you're framing your reference of status quo and Obama against.
Obama nor the Clintons would ever admit they're Socialists. Even if they were to, the establishment would take them in the back room and tell them to tone it down. They're puppets. That's what I consider the status quo.
Obama has certainly contributed to racial turmoil but more out of obligation than policy. Civil Rights leaders believe he's done far too little in the name of racial equality.
The Patriot Act is still largely in effect. Obama knows better than to screw with it much or he would get his hand slapped.
Obamacare? I would point to Hillarycare 1993 as the predecessor. Bill Clinton can claim the 1994 AWB and Brady Bill. Gun bans were defeated this go around. For the most part it's been tit for tat between the Clintons and Obama. Maintaining the status quo, relatively speaking.
Is Sanders more dangerous ideologically than Obama or the Clintons? Of course but he will never get the nod because he's too far left of the establishment. They won't have it.
Obama, Hillary and the establishment are far more dangerous IMO.
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sevenhelmet
08-24-15, 11:36
Roger that. Sounds like we had a minor disagreement with semantics, but I agree with your points on who is dangerous and why.
IMO, Bernie Sanders gets more support from the left than I think he has any right to, much like Donald Trump gets more support from the right than he should. Maybe that means I'm out of touch, but I don't think either one would be good for the country as POTUS.
brickboy240
08-24-15, 12:10
In the end, there is not an ounce of difference between Sanders or Hillary.
Both will lead us down a road that America will probably not come back from.
Don't be fooled into thinking we can fend them off if we increase the number of "Rs" in Congress, either. Look at the damage Obama has done WITH the GOP holding the House and Senate.
In the end, there is not an ounce of difference between Sanders or Hillary.
Both will lead us down a road that America will probably not come back from.
Don't be fooled into thinking we can fend them off if we increase the number of "Rs" in Congress, either. Look at the damage Obama has done WITH the GOP holding the House and Senate.
Because of status quo RINOs. If we had people like Paul and Cruz running the Senate and the house, things would be different. I hope to think so atleast.
I survived one communist regime.
I do not feel like having to fight to get out of another one.
Agreed+1. Now rumors are that it looks like Biden maybe running with Warren as the running mate with an Obongo endorsement. Wow.. who would have thought.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-essay-on-sex-a-woman-fantasizes-about-being-raped-by-3-men-simultaneously/
Wonder how the SJW feminists wil rationalize this.
Voodoo_Man
08-25-15, 07:31
Agreed+1. Now rumors are that it looks like Biden maybe running with Warren as the running mate with an Obongo endorsement. Wow.. who would have thought.
That's sorta of good for us. Biden won't win anything and Warren has less credibility than hilldizzle.
So let them battle it out.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-essay-on-sex-a-woman-fantasizes-about-being-raped-by-3-men-simultaneously/
Wonder how the SJW feminists wil rationalize this.
I followed this link and then followed a couple links in the article. That got me to thinking about the 90% tax deal.
So I created another thread.
Agreed+1. Now rumors are that it looks like Biden maybe running with Warren as the running mate with an Obongo endorsement. Wow.. who would have thought.
It isn't so much Biden as it is Omao trying to build a national political machine like Dalys Chicago political machine. Rahm 2020..........
Sanders was interviewed on NPR today. Bernie is to the Dems what Trump is to the GOP. I recommend those interested listen to this interview if for no other reason it does give a good sense of the person and clarifies some of his claimed "socialist" leanings. Like any politician, he pushed most of the right buttons on some key topics. It's how he'd go about fixing the problems that's the issue. I'm from Brooklyn NY myself, and I find his accent and inability to pronounce various words really annoying. Maybe I'm just a snob but when my accent crept in as a kid my grandmother would make it clear we spoke English...
Election 2016 Is 'Feeling The Bern' (http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/10/01/bernie-sanders-election-2016-interview)
Senator Bernie Sanders joins us to make the case for why he should be the next President of the United States. We will “Feel the Bern” with Bernie Sanders.
This article needs to be shared with everyone who is crazy enough to even consider voting for Sanders. As I sit here watching Red Dawn (old version) it is imperative that people (especially the millennials) understand the true evil that is Communism and its inept predecessor and social appetizer Socialism. Sanders is a real threat and he has sandbagged people into the "nice old man" front and as Hillary suffers in the polls, the Dems will feel even more committed to voting for him. Ensuring that Sanders is not elected is priority number one at this point.
http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/
BoringGuy45
01-17-16, 09:36
I don't think he's doing the "nice old man" at all. He's rallying the college crowd with his radicalism, with promises to end capitalism once and for all.
Mauser KAR98K
01-17-16, 11:58
I don't think he's doing the "nice old man" at all. He's rallying the college crowd with his radicalism, with promises to end capitalism once and for all.
Maybe if we change Capitalism to Jedi Order, we could portray Sanders as a Sith Lord.
Might get people thinking.
MountainRaven
01-17-16, 12:06
I'm curious as to whether folks here would rather have Hillary or Sanders for president.
Free College (on my tax dollars) and all the weed you can smoke, to make it enjoyable! What's not to like about the Socialist?
He stands about as much chance of being elected as my black lab.
I'm curious as to whether folks here would rather have Hillary or Sanders for president.
Man, that is a hard one. Glad that is not going to be the choice in the general.
Free College (on my tax dollars) and all the weed you can smoke, to make it enjoyable! What's not to like about the Socialist?
He stands about as much chance of being elected as my black lab.
If you substitute khat for weed and free combat OJT for free college, it would be Somalia. Then you can shoot some shit, get rocked and think about the underpinnings of the universe with the smell of cordite wafting past your face. Just think of the choices at the local gun bazaar vice your current LGS....
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2015/09/18/shock-cbss-odonnell-smacks-bernie-sanders-right-health-care-taxes
Bernie Sanders is an Idiot.
If I was the Donald or other Republican running against him, then I would run that news clip repeatedly on prime time tv.
I'm curious as to whether folks here would rather have Hillary or Sanders for president.
That kind of choice needs another option, like jumping off a bridge.
MountainRaven
01-17-16, 14:29
That kind of choice needs another option, like jumping off a bridge.
I feel like it goes without saying that seppuku is always an option.
That kind of choice needs another option, like jumping off a bridge.
I would actually welcome Putin and the Russians as liberators.
Yes. I seriously believe a former KGB Colonel and real-life Bond villain would be more fair, conservative and freedom oriented than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders
The dude reminds me of Doc Brown the eccentric scientist in "Back to the Future", I will pass on him on that alone. The only thing worst than a republican is a democrat, so I guess my vote goes to the bully. God help us !
But Doc Brown was cool though.
He reminds me more of Dr. Lizardo from Buckaroo Banzai
Now we're talking about Marxist Communism versus Democratic Socialism. Bernie doesn't want us to become the USSR. He just wants us to be like our more civilized buddies in Western Europe and Scandinavia. You know, socialized medicine, no guns, free college, distributed wealth, green energy, etc.
He would never get elected because even Democrats aren't that stupid. Stranger things have happened though. He could be the next FDR if the timing is right. :)
Not yet anyways. One word comes to mind.....incrementalism. The frog and the boiling pot thing.
And OK, I'll be that guy this time... I just researched some more RE: Socialism vs Communism
Bernie Sanders has other things in common besides ideology with Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin (Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov), Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovich Bronstein), Saul David Alinsky (author: Rules for Radicals), and many outspoken anti-2A people in academia, arts, and media (as another poster listed).
Eurodriver
01-17-16, 17:02
And OK, I'll be that guy this time... I just researched some more RE: Socialism vs Communism
Bernie Sanders has other things in common besides ideology with Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin (Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov), Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovich Bronstein), Saul David Alinsky (author: Rules for Radicals), and many outspoken anti-2A people in academia, arts, and media (as another poster listed).
This post is incoherent. What "other things"?
He's pro AWB and says armor piercing ammo is designed for one thing,,,, killing cops. 01/17/2016
Hillary on the other hand is pro AWB and doesn't care why anything gun related was designed... she just doesn't want you to have it.
Not sure why Bernie is the way he is, but Hillary, I think is just a birth defect.
He's pro AWB and says armor piercing ammo is designed for one thing,,,, killing cops. 01/17/2016
Hillary on the other hand is pro AWB and doesn't care why anything gun related was designed... she just doesn't want you to have it.
Not sure why Bernie is the way he is, but Hillary, I think is just a birth defect.
Compared to HC, Sanders is pro gun and claims to own one, etc, etc. Compared to a person with critical thinking skills, he's anti gun. On a the single issue of 2A/guns, I'd take Sanders over HC any day. His actual voting record, is better than some other Dems and I think he's smart enough to not make guns a central theme of his efforts if he was able to get the nomination. That POTUS and HC are doubling down on the gun issue is a plus for GOP in my view as anyone on the fence who was not convinced they (HC et al) were 100% anti gun/anti logic/anti stats/anti history, has no doubts now.
That's not to say I'm to happy with the GOP per se, but that's how I see it.
MountainRaven
01-17-16, 17:29
I would actually welcome Putin and the Russians as liberators.
Yes. I seriously believe a former KGB Colonel and real-life Bond villain would be more fair, conservative and freedom oriented than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders
I'm going to guess that you're just being euphemistic.
That or it's possible that you're not remembering a place called Grozny, that Russia today is basically the Soviet Union with the crony capitalism turned up to 11, and that, not only would you lose your right to keep and bear arms under Uncle Vlad, he wouldn't be afraid to kick down doors looking for them, using tanks and helicopter gunships to back up the ground pounders actually doing the gun-grabbing, nor would he care about your dog, cat, unarmed wife, and one-point-eight-seven children being killed in the process along with half your neighborhood being leveled (and then take your land and that of your now corpsified neighbors and sell it for a pittance to one of his buddies to develop into a high-rise apartment, department store, refinery, or factory).
I'm going to guess that you're just being euphemistic.
That or it's possible that you're not remembering a place called Grozny, that Russia today is basically the Soviet Union with the crony capitalism turned up to 11, and that, not only would you lose your right to keep and bear arms under Uncle Vlad, he wouldn't be afraid to kick down doors looking for them, using tanks and helicopter gunships to back up the ground pounders actually doing the gun-grabbing, nor would he care about your dog, cat, unarmed wife, and one-point-eight-seven children being killed in the process along with half your neighborhood being leveled (and then take your land and that of your now corpsified neighbors and sell it for a pittance to one of his buddies to develop into a high-rise apartment, department store, refinery, or factory).
Grozny, that's like the Waco of Russia, right?
MountainRaven
01-17-16, 19:48
Grozny, that's like the Waco of Russia, right?
Yeah, except instead of just burning down a compound, they leveled an entire city. And then instead of shooting a dog and a pregnant woman some months later, they leveled the city again.
And Hillary wouldn't do that if she could get away with it because......?
I mean, the Clintons as a couple really do have a body trail.
And depending on which city got leveled and how, would it be so bad?
I mean....would drunken Spetsnaz and some Hind runs at Baltimore have really been any worse or better?
I was sorta joking but, sorta not.
Bill Clinton was crooked as a crazy straw but as long as he had Mickey Ds and fat chicks, he could be kept at bay. Hillary is post menopausal, pathological, megalomaniacal, and would be like an evil reverse Margaret Thatcher.
Like.....she's really that bad.
Compared to HC, Sanders is pro gun and claims to own one, etc, etc. Compared to a person with critical thinking skills, he's anti gun. On a the single issue of 2A/guns, I'd take Sanders over HC any day. His actual voting record, is better than some other Dems and I think he's smart enough to not make guns a central theme of his efforts if he was able to get the nomination. That POTUS and HC are doubling down on the gun issue is a plus for GOP in my view as anyone on the fence who was not convinced they (HC et al) were 100% anti gun/anti logic/anti stats/anti history, has no doubts now.
That's not to say I'm to happy with the GOP per se, but that's how I see it.
I believe his record in Vermont was a successful way to save his ass from hunters and gun owners voting him out.
Didn't he say he now agrees 100% with Obama on guns? I'll have to dig up the clip but I'm pretty sure he said that at one of the recent debates.
Yes, he just said it 5 minutes ago on live tv as well.
The debate came out of the gate with "guns".
Yes, he just said it 5 minutes ago on live tv as well.
The debate came out of the gate with "guns".
It really disgusts me how their fan base actually believe all of the drivel. They're gobbling it up.
It really disgusts me how their fan base actually believe all of the drivel. They're gobbling it up.
Most don't know the difference between National Debt and Budget Deficit. It's funny to watch their minds blow when you tell them they are not the same.
TriviaMonster
01-17-16, 21:39
Most don't know the difference between National Debt and Budget Deficit. It's funny to watch their minds blow when you tell them they are not the same.
I met someone the other day who hadn't heard of Joe Biden. You're talking about graduate school stuff compared to that.
Mrs. Potatohead just stands there smiling and bobbling her head.
MOM.... man, he's a trip.
Sanders actually takes control of the show. He's really good at dealing with a debate that was clearly in the bag for Potatohead by the two moderators. ... and Andrea Mitchell... she could barely speak. I don't know what her problem was... I have a guess though.... I think she was told in no uncertain terms to keep her mouth shut regarding ANYTHING that could be spun negatively regarding Potatohead. She was physically nervous in her manners and speech all night.
How in the world did MOM ever get elected to anything. He's just a goofy little twit.
You never know what goes on in the mind of a liberal voter but I swear I think Sander outplayed Potatohead all night long.
One kid Skyped in from YouTube with 5Mil viewers. He told Sanders most of his friends were Sanders supporters but why not Hillary. Something to that nature. At any rate... I think a -lot- of young voters are anti Hillary.
Potatohead was running as Obama Ver2. she had nothing.
ETA: BTW, if you are playing any debate drinking games. The NBC news "word" of the day is "sharp". If you take a drink every time that word is used by NBC news regarding Bernie and Potatohead, I would suggest you buy a gallon.
It really disgusts me how their fan base actually believe all of the drivel. They're gobbling it up.
I'd say the exact same thing about Trump supporters. Sanders is to the Dems what Trump is to the GOP.
The_War_Wagon
01-18-16, 09:18
Hitlery may not be able to explain the difference between a DEMOCRAP, a socialist, & a communist... but BERNIE can!
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Bernie_Sanders_Difference_Socialist.jpg
That, and he plays a MEAN set of bongos! :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmVSGFW5HY
brickboy240
01-18-16, 11:38
I love how they "hide" Bernie and Hill-dog on Sunday night.
They HAVE to hide both of these goons from the viewing public.....HAVE to.
I love how they "hide" Bernie and Hill-dog on Sunday night.
They HAVE to hide both of these goons from the viewing public.....HAVE to.
I wish they would hide them permanently.
Bongo Bernie, Potatohead and Mr. Rogers' Offspring... what a crew.
I honestly knew little about the guy. His rep was as a far left loonie tune. However, looking at his voting record and listening to a few speeches, I not sure that's the total truth. Before anyone goes on a rant, Q #1: if you had to choose between Sanders or Hillary, which would it be? From what I'm seeing so far, I'd take Sanders. But, I posted this to learn more, so learn me on this guy, minus generic "He's just a liberal" statements.
Looking at his voting record, it seems almost Libertarian-ish. He's far from a staunch supporter of 2A, but he seems marginally better than Hillary et al. What's the specifics on this guy we need to know about him, especially as it pertains to who he's likely going to he's going to fight with for the nomination. His voting record and other intel:
http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
Do you really think old Bernie wouldn't be pushed by the left to an Antip-Guns stance???? Really? And don't you think the implementation of Socialism has failed or is in the process of failing everywhere it has been implemented? And do you want to live under an authoritarian Socialist government.
I just can't believe people would actually consider the Bernie option. Especially if you are pro-2A.
Now, if you are implying that Bernie would be easier for a Conservative to beat you have it right.
brickboy240
01-18-16, 12:17
If you had even one Economics course in college, even one at the local community college and barely passed it, Bernie Sanders should make no good sense to you at all.
The man is an economic retard. Nothing he prescribes would work....none of it. In fact, most of his platform would put America into a permanent deep economic depression of which we might not ever recover from.
Do you really think old Bernie wouldn't be pushed by the left to an Antip-Guns stance???? Really?
I made no such claim nor statement. What I do know as fact, is his voting record and general rhetoric is not as anti gun as HC. HC attacked him for his "pro gun" stances in their debate last night. Did you watch it? I did.
And don't you think the implementation of Socialism has failed or is in the process of failing everywhere it has been implemented? And do you want to live under an authoritarian Socialist government.
I just can't believe people would actually consider the Bernie option. Especially if you are pro-2A.
Now, if you are implying that Bernie would be easier for a Conservative to beat you have it right.
I'd prefer he made the final cut for the Dems as he'd be easier to beat in the final election, if the GOP can put forward a candidate that's not a complete train wreck ala Romney.
Lets focus on what is, vs what we wish was the case. What is, is either BS or HC running for POTUS. If one is a single issue voter (and I am not), then BS is a better choice for 2A than HC by all indicators we have to go on at this time.
From a realistic POV, BS may be a better choice for POTUS if only because he's not the slick operator she is, and would likely be kept more contained than she would. She is a slick operator within the halls of DC and a power broker of the highest order. He's essentially a clueless unicorn chaser per socialists and communists world wide. She is far more dangerous to this nation and I think even most Dems will distance themselves from BS as POTUS.
That's the reality on the ground as I see it. Your mileage may vary.
I agree with many of your points but but he is proud of his D- NRA rating of the past which is now F I believe. You can't get worse. That's like saying Hillary would be a 700deg oven and Bernie is only 650deg.
He want's all AR type guns gone. Can not be sold in America. Period. I could care less what he has done in the past.
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/
We have to defeat them. This is it. End of the line.
It won't matter.
They'll just team up somehow. One of the two will be VPOTUS.
It won't matter.
They'll just team up somehow. One of the two will be VPOTUS.
If Potatohead gets POTUS everybody is getting kicked to the curb. You are talking about a woman scorned and while clearly entitled to the spot was made to stand in line behind Barack. You ever hear the expression "pissed off at the world?"
Change that to "Pissed off at the Right and Men"
It will be an absolute unbearable nightmare. Aside from what she will do to her countrymen can you imagine her as Commander in Chief??!!!
I mean a Hillary/Sanders or vice versa ticket.
Not sure who potatohead is.
Shakespeare would have written epic plays about HRC if he were around today. Much, much darker than Hamlet or MacBeth
Here's a hint. One of those three people on stage last night was a woman. That would be Potatohead.
Eurodriver
01-18-16, 15:07
Here's a hint. One of those three people on stage last night was a woman. That would be Potatohead.
This made me lol
If you had even one Economics course in college, even one at the local community college and barely passed it, Bernie Sanders should make no good sense to you at all.
The man is an economic retard. Nothing he prescribes would work....none of it. In fact, most of his platform would put America into a permanent deep economic depression of which we might not ever recover from.
100%. I have read his own website regarding his issues, and they make zero sense.
His claims of "free" college tuition, healthcare, and other "free" bullshit being paid for with tax increases on "loopholes" and a "6.2%" tax on the middle class are both mind boggling and scary. When I see younger, successful, college of business students with "feel the bern" bumper stickers it really makes me wonder what in the hell is going on.
Just to put that free stuff into perspective, undergrad tuition alone (no fees, housing, food, etc) at the University of Florida is $750,000,000 per year.
If the dem want Hilary as POTUS, then what they should do is have Bernie run with Hillary as his Running mate...just look at the guy I don't think his heart will last 8 more years, hell he looks like he's a month away from a full blown cardiac.
Either way what the tickets reads they are both the wrong choice.
I made no such claim nor statement. What I do know as fact, is his voting record and general rhetoric is not as anti gun as HC. HC attacked him for his "pro gun" stances in their debate last night. Did you watch it? I did.
Lets focus on what is, vs what we wish was the case. What is, is either BS or HC running for POTUS. If one is a single issue voter (and I am not), then BS is a better choice for 2A than HC by all indicators we have to go on at this time.
From a realistic POV, BS may be a better choice for POTUS if only because he's not the slick operator she is, and would likely be kept more contained than she would. She is a slick operator within the halls of DC and a power broker of the highest order. He's essentially a clueless unicorn chaser per socialists and communists world wide. She is far more dangerous to this nation and I think even most Dems will distance themselves from BS as POTUS.
That's the reality on the ground as I see it. Your mileage may vary.
Of course Hillary attacked him. Who wouldn't take the opportunity to call out a hypocrite when it's right there in black and white and ripe for the picking?
Would Bernie stick to his current statements and be all out anti-gun or would he flip flop more if he were POTUS? How is that a better choice than Hillary from a 2nd Amendment standpoint?
Choose the lesser of two evils. In this case choose Satan or Judas. :)
I agree with many of your points but but he is proud of his D- NRA rating of the past which is now F I believe. You can't get worse. That's like saying Hillary would be a 700deg oven and Bernie is only 650deg.
He want's all AR type guns gone. Can not be sold in America. Period. I could care less what he has done in the past.
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-sweeping-gun-ban-that-would-outlaw-all-self-defense-firearms/
We have to defeat them. This is it. End of the line.
Spot friggin' on, man.
Of course Hillary attacked him. Who wouldn't take the opportunity to call out a hypocrite when it's right there in black and white and ripe for the picking?
Would Bernie stick to his current statements and be all out anti-gun or would he flip flop more if he were POTUS? How is that a better choice than Hillary from a 2nd Amendment standpoint?
I gave the reasoning as I see it. Repeating will not help or change it.
Choose the lesser of two evils. In this case choose Satan or Judas. :)
Indeed, and on 2A issues, BS appears to be slightly less evil. That does not = I want him to be POTUS (though I gave my reasoning as to why he may be the better choice of the two) but that's how I view what we have so far.
Moose-Knuckle
01-19-16, 03:06
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1459/24450876146_793025c80e_z.jpg
Hillary Rodham Clinton will not be the POTUS, according to the National Socialists themselves. Rather, Bernie Sanders will reign as the new King.
What's you take? Is HRC done, and Bernie is ready to 'burn' it up? It's telling that an ultra-liberal magazine so openly calls it for Bern.
n one major poll, Bernie Sanders is now leading Hillary Clinton nationally. In most others, he’s not far behind from the former Secretary of State. Vermont’s Senator already has an “edge over Clinton in matchups with GOP opponents,” dispelling Clinton’s electability myth. In an average of national polls, Bernie Sanders is less than eight points from Hillary Clinton, after being over 50 points behind in 2015. In addition, there’s only one person capable of challenging a Republican in 2016 without James Comey declaring national security was jeopardized by a private server.
Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate capable of winning the White House in 2016. Please name the last person to win the presidency alongside an ongoing FBI investigation, negative favorability ratings, questions about character linked to continual flip-flops, a dubious money trail of donors, and the genuine contempt of the rival political party. In reality, Clinton is a liability to Democrats, and certainly not the person capable of ensuring liberal Supreme Court nominees and President Obama’s legacy.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/19/hillary_clinton_just_cant_win_democrats_need_to_accept_that_only_bernie_sanders_can_defeat_the_gop/
Hillary Rodham Clinton will not be the POTUS, according to the National Socialists themselves. Rather, Bernie Sanders will reign as the new King.
What's you take? Is HRC done, and Bernie is ready to 'burn' it up? It's telling that an ultra-liberal magazine so openly calls it for Bern.
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/19/hillary_clinton_just_cant_win_democrats_need_to_accept_that_only_bernie_sanders_can_defeat_the_gop/
Yeah, but at least Hillary "TRIES" to tell the truth! :rolleyes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-hillary-clinton-ive-always-tried-to-tell-the-truth/
Honestly, I couldn't care less anymore. This election has become one big reality TV show, and I just want the president who will entertain me the most, and right now it's Sanders. I mean, he's gonna piss of the GOP and DNC so much, nothing he wants to do will see the light of day.
Anybody but HRC. I'm so tired of seeing that bitçhes face in the media for decades. I had hoped whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi or at least stealing furniture and art work from the WH would have been her undoing by now. Let's please erase this beast once and for all. Sanders can go with her.
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-19-16, 17:44
What I find so amusing and poetic is that Hillary is being out 'Free Shit'ed by Bernie. She is reduced to whining "But how are you going to pay for it?", like that ever worked against her husband's opponents.
This is what we have gotten to. A Progressive losing out purely based on the amount of free stuff promised by a socialist. How can these people lose an election in an a fully franchised population.
What I find so amusing and poetic is that Hillary is being out 'Free Shit'ed by Bernie. She is reduced to whining "But how are you going to pay for it?", like that ever worked against her husband's opponents.
This is what we have gotten to. A Progressive losing out purely based on the amount of free stuff promised by a socialist. How can these people lose an election in an a fully franchised population.
****in scary ain't it?
Linebacker
02-19-16, 18:41
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Moose-Knuckle
02-20-16, 02:18
Bernie Sanders a Bum Who Didn’t Earn His First Steady Paycheck Until Age 40 Then Wormed His Way Into Politics
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1594/25143135325_b093c6b605_k.jpg
One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps, and it was all downhill from there.
Sanders took his first bride to live in a maple sugar shack with a dirt floor, and she soon left him. Penniless, he went on unemployment. Then he had a child out of wedlock. Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. “He was a shi**y carpenter,” a friend told Politico Magazine. “His carpentry was not going to support him, and didn’t.”
Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about “masturbation and rape” and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was “always poor” and his “electricity was turned off a lot.” They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment — and this is what his friends had to say about him.
The only thing he was good at was talking … non-stop … about socialism and how the rich were ripping everybody off. “The whole quality of life in America is based on greed,” the bitter layabout said. “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”
He finally wormed his way into the Senate in 2006, where he still ranks as one of the poorest members of Congress. Save for a municipal pension, Sanders lists no assets in his name. All the assets provided in his financial disclosure form are his second wife’s. He does, however, have as much as $65,000 in credit-card debt.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-a-bum-who-didnt-earn-his-first-paycheck-until-age-40/
Bernie Sanders a Bum Who Didn’t Earn His First Steady Paycheck Until Age 40 Then Wormed His Way Into Politics
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/bernie-sanders-a-bum-who-didnt-earn-his-first-paycheck-until-age-40/
Interesting.
I'll bet 75% or more primary voters know none of this.
Hell, more like 3/4 or more of the entire population don't care or want to know any of this.
He's a f'n Commie, always has been. That so many can't or don't recognize this fact says a lot about the sad state of affairs in this country.
More on the Bernster... (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/photos-video-of-young-socialist-bernie-sanders-being-arrested-emerges-from-chicago-paper/)
https://youtu.be/rPYCeO0seLU
http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/sanders-arrest-cop.jpg
He's like a Doc Brown without the science, charm, or DeLorean....
He's like a Doc Brown without the science, charm, or DeLorean....
Let's hope he doesn't get access to any plutonium...
Let's hope he doesn't get access to any plutonium...
If Putin gave him some Polonium, it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
If Putin gave him some Polonium, it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
Я выпью за это!
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Cincinnatus
02-20-16, 22:01
He's like a Doc Brown without the science, charm, or DeLorean....
Or Egon Spangler without the work ethic or knowledge of anything that actually scientifically works...unlike socialism.
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, socialists are the most bat-shit insane people there are; how many times has socialism been tried and failed?
What I find so amusing and poetic is that Hillary is being out 'Free Shit'ed by Bernie. She is reduced to whining "But how are you going to pay for it?", like that ever worked against her husband's opponents.
This is what we have gotten to. A Progressive losing out purely based on the amount of free stuff promised by a socialist. How can these people lose an election in an a fully franchised population.
Right now I'm wondering who Bernie might tap as VP because given his age, he might not live out his first term. The good news is he's a absolute disaster who has no idea how to work for anything and doesn't seem experienced in accomplishing goals.
Hopefully lots and lots of pointless ideas that never actually go anyplace. And that would be so much better than Hillary I don't know where to start.
Moose-Knuckle
02-21-16, 02:42
More on the Bernster... (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/photos-video-of-young-socialist-bernie-sanders-being-arrested-emerges-from-chicago-paper/)
Sadly all this will serve to accomplish is give him some "street cred" that he's down with the struggle.
In the sub-culture that the Bernie's of the world derive their support from, being arrested and doing time is just a rite of passage.
I just watched a Frank Luntz Focus Group after the Democrat debate last night. Almost all of the men are now supporting Bernie after the debate. Somehow he managed to coax 10 fat, middle-aged, pajama boys out of their parent's basement to participate.
I just watched a Frank Luntz Focus Group after the Democrat debate last night. Almost all of the men are now supporting Bernie after the debate. Somehow he managed to coax 10 fat, middle-aged, pajama boys out of their parent's basement to participate.
Bernie has never been any more than Hillary's test vehicle. what flys and what crashes and burns. what can she say out loud and what does she need to keep under wraps. Nothing more.
Even the Obama faction wouldn't allow Bernie to be elected.
Smoke screen.
I didn't watch any of the debate because I couldn't give a flying fornication what the Dims have to say, but I heard on the news that The Bern was being a disrespectful sexist during it.
Imagine that. The guy running against the only woman on the ticket is labeled a sexist...
MountainRaven
03-07-16, 22:08
I didn't watch any of the debate because I couldn't give a flying fornication what the Dims have to say, but I heard on the news that The Bern was being a disrespectful sexist during it.
Imagine that. The guy running against the only woman on the ticket is labeled a sexist...
From what I understand, Hillary tried to talk over Bernie and Bernie that this was rude, and demanded that Hillary let him finish what he was saying.
Sounds to me like the Democrats are starting to devolve like Drumpf and the GOP.
She and her sycophants will really flog that "sexist" crap the second she starts running against the GOP full time. I hope someone tells her to shut her fat ugly mouth when it happens! :mad:
Moose-Knuckle
03-08-16, 03:04
Well Bernie at least revealed that he is in fact a racist . . .
‘Ghetto’ gaffe highlights Bernie Sanders campaign’s struggle with race
While discussing his own racial “blind spots” during Sunday night’s Democratic presidential debate in Flint, Michigan, Sen. Bernie Sanders offered that white people “don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor.” His comment drew swift condemnation on social media, since it appeared that the Vermont lawmaker was implying that only black people live in impoverished communities, reinforcing inaccurate and painful stereotypes that have dogged African-Americans for years.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-ghetto-gaffe-highlights-campaigns-struggle-race
Eurodriver
03-08-16, 03:07
Wow...
Well Bernie at least revealed that he is in fact a racist . . .
‘Ghetto’ gaffe highlights Bernie Sanders campaign’s struggle with race
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-ghetto-gaffe-highlights-campaigns-struggle-race
Huffpost disagrees. I guess he's never been to Appalachia. Those people are POOR. Much poorer than the inner city poor. Some people don't have toilets or running water. It's like a time machine back 100 years.
He clearly lives in an alternate reality and unfit to be President.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html
Eurodriver
03-08-16, 08:28
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html
I hate that "statistic". Of course there are going to be more whites on welfare than blacks - there are more whites to begin with.
I think whenever the left brings that up in our bar discussions I'm going to use that to my advantage. Because there are more whites on welfare than blacks, that means that the tables and turned and whites are now more impoverished and deserve affirmative action policies.
Moose-Knuckle
03-09-16, 02:24
Huffpost disagrees. I guess he's never been to Appalachia. Those people are POOR. Much poorer than the inner city poor. Some people don't have toilets or running water. It's like a time machine back 100 years.
He clearly lives in an alternate reality and unfit to be President.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/food-stamp-demographics_n_6771938.html
The house my father was born in and was raised didn't not have indoor plumbing or electricity, this was the 1940's. I was raised below the poverty line in a rural county. Love it when imbeciles proclaim white privilege which is racist to begin with.
The house my father was born in and was raised didn't not have indoor plumbing or electricity, this was the 1940's. I was raised below the poverty line in a rural county. Love it when imbeciles proclaim white privilege which is racist to begin with.
Same here. I'm only 50 and I remember using the outhouse till I was 5 or 6. All my clothes were hand me downs, except I'd get a brand new shirt or two and a pair of jeans at Christmas, along with a new BB gun that would usually go on to provide rabbit & squirrel for the pot. Most of the firearms I used to hunt were bought with cash money raised cutting firewood, running trap lines and coon hunting in the winter, and hauling hay in the summer. The thing was, we were never too cold because we always had firewood. We never got too hot because there was plenty of well water to run the swamp cooler. We always had vegetables, fresh or canned because we grew it all and canned our own. We milked our own cows and churned our own butter. The freezer was full of deer meat and catfish (trotlines), supplemented with the occasional side of beef or pork. We got fresh eggs and butcher hens from my grandparents, along with honey from my grandpa's bee hives. That was in exchange for helping them with all sorts of chores.
If there was concrete, we poured it. If there was a barn, we built it. If there was indoor plumbing, my uncle installed it. There were usually cracks in the windshield and bald tires on the truck, but my dad drove so slow it was never a problem. We were dirt poor, but we never knew it because we worked our asses off. THAT, is the big difference. I'm not aware of my parents ever taking a single dime in entitlements, though there may have been school provided lunches early on. I've been on unemployment once in my life for four months and never want to be there again. Nobody ever gave me squat that I didn't earn, so some self-important college brat with a stack of student loans telling me about my "white privilege" pisses me off. :mad:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who has made income inequality a top campaign theme, had taxable income of $205,271 in 2014, putting him almost in the top 5 percent of American earners, according to the release of Friday of his federal tax return.
That figure was still far below the millions earned by his main Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, in recent years.
Sanders and his wife, Jane, paid $27,653 in federal income taxes in 2014, an effective federal tax rate of 13.5 percent, on income of $205,271, which is their adjusted gross income before deductions. That figure is just below the $206,563 that Census data show as the lower limit for the top 5 percent of U.S. households in 2014.
But Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, had income approaching $140 million over the last eight years, according to previously released returns.
Sanders on Thursday described himself as "one of the poorer members of the United States Senate."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-return-shows-federal-tax-rate-13-5-001031024.html?ref=gs
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-16-16, 12:13
Stop importing poor people. Why is this hard?
Stop importing poor people. Why is this hard?
It's not poor people that are the problem. When my family left Romania were were pretty damned poor. Difference between us and the FSA is that's my parents worked their asses off to get us a better chance at life. My bro ended up being chief of star at major metro hospital. I'm an engineer. Not once did we take and hand outs. We were lucky that we had some support from other family members already here.
It's the kind of person you import that matters not their wallet size. I'll take a hundred poor people willing to work to better themselves over 1 rich asshole whose contribution to society is going to be accountant fees to hide his $$, or blow coke up his nose or ...
The quality of a person isn't defined by the size of his bank account. We need quality people.
Stop importing poor people. Why is this hard?
I don't get the context. Dirt poor people have been coming to the US since day one. How does that apply to Sanders specifically?
Not really. We had virtually no immigration from 1920-1965, and whatever was allowed was heavily weighted toward those of European descent, to avoid problems with cultural assimilation.
Even so, it's remarkably cynical to make "wealth disparity" a major platform plank, all while importing tens of millions of largely-illiterate, culturally-dissimilar poor.
FromMyColdDeadHand
04-16-16, 15:02
Is this really hard to figure out?
GINI coefficients are based on distribution of poor people to rich people. If you keep bringing in poor people- literally with nothing- and add them to an economy already filled with a surplus of low/no-skill people you do not drive the economy forward.
You increase the supply of something it drives the price down, right? You add millions of low skilled labor and you wonder why the bottom of the pyramid doesn't improve or rise. That's not a social issue as much as it is a math issue.
Add in that Bernie and the Progressives want to add more poor people and their answer is to inequality is to whack at the rich people.
This all in an economy that is shipping overseas any job they can and import labor for any that they can't and then added legislation and complexity to stifle any kind of new job growth outside of app development.
You think Switzerland would look like it does with 15 million Mexicans in there?
This is a news clip of Bernie supporters making it rain on HRC's motorcade as she going to a $33,000/plate benefit dinner at George Clooney's place. It is entertaining watching them go at each other's throat.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-target-george-clooney-hosted-fundraiser/story?id=38459631
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who has made income inequality a top campaign theme, had taxable income of $205,271 in 2014, putting him almost in the top 5 percent of American earners, according to the release of Friday of his federal tax return.
That figure was still far below the millions earned by his main Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, in recent years.
Sanders and his wife, Jane, paid $27,653 in federal income taxes in 2014, an effective federal tax rate of 13.5 percent, on income of $205,271, which is their adjusted gross income before deductions. That figure is just below the $206,563 that Census data show as the lower limit for the top 5 percent of U.S. households in 2014.
But Hillary Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, had income approaching $140 million over the last eight years, according to previously released returns.
Sanders on Thursday described himself as "one of the poorer members of the United States Senate."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-return-shows-federal-tax-rate-13-5-001031024.html?ref=gs
Thanks for the ammunition. ;)
The quality of a person isn't defined by the size of his bank account. We need quality people.Yes this. immigration is a good good thing that literally made this country.
The problem is if you remove the filter on your intake a bunch of shit will come flying into your engine.
ramairthree
04-17-16, 23:16
I don't get the context. Dirt poor people have been coming to the US since day one. How does that apply to Sanders specifically?
Sure.
But they came here to work.
They had to.
Now they come to a huge medical, welfare, education, housing system of benefits.
They consume far more in resources and benefits than they add to the system.
We are already at a disparity in productive tax payers to non productive resource consumers.
They are also not coming in numbers that can assimilate.
They are also bringing in huge numbers in from very unassimable back grounds.
It's like they want to burn the house down.
No refunds for Bernie followers I guess. I will say I sent some $ to Paul and he dropped out like a week later, and no refunds offered. But this still LOL worthy:
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the proud new owner of a summer home on the Champlain Islands, Seven Days has confirmed.
The Burlington resident last week plopped down nearly $600,000 on a camp in North Hero.
Sanders’ new waterfront crib has four bedrooms and 500 feet of Lake Champlain beachfront on the east side of the island — facing Vermont, not New York. The Bern will keep his home in Burlington and use the new camp seasonally.
“We've traveled up to the islands many times over the years — almost always on day trips," Sanders' wife, Jane O'Meara Sanders, told Seven Days in a written statement. "We've been impressed with the North Hero community, eaten at the North Hero House and Shore Acres and have suggested them to friends who were looking for a beautiful place to stay or have dinner. St. Anne's Shrine in Isle La Motte is my favorite church and it is nearby."
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http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2016/08/08/bernie-sanders-buys-a-summer-home-in-north-hero[/url]
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I guess it just proves that there's Money to be made in Politics. I wonder what his Leftist Progressive Drone followers will think about that?
Never give money to politicians. It merely encourages them
And people say socialism doesn't work....
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-09-16, 14:26
So is the implication that he is using campaign funds to do that, or that somehow through all this he's got 600k extra laying around.
Plus, CO real estate has jaded me. 4 bedroom on 500 feet of lake front, on a lake that doesn't drain every summer? $600k? That would be a rigged sale.
Plus it is on an Island- major plus for the whole zombie farm thing.
So is the implication that he is using campaign funds to do that, or that somehow through all this he's got 600k extra laying around.
Plus, CO real estate has jaded me. 4 bedroom on 500 feet of lake front, on a lake that doesn't drain every summer? $600k? That would be a rigged sale.
Plus it is on an Island- major plus for the whole zombie farm thing.
In NJ that house would be $2.5MM easy.
Clinton payoff for his support?
So is the implication that he is using campaign funds to do that, or that somehow through all this he's got 600k extra laying around.
Plus, CO real estate has jaded me. 4 bedroom on 500 feet of lake front, on a lake that doesn't drain every summer? $600k? That would be a rigged sale.
Plus it is on an Island- major plus for the whole zombie farm thing.
Who is going to prosecute him if he did? It's not like he meant to do harm...
I'd wager a couple of "speaking" engagements and voala the "camp" is paid for.
To spit his own people's line back at them:
I wonder how many poor people that many could have built housing for, if he just hadn't needed to buy a six hundred thousand dollar summer home...
After wandering in the wilderness, Bernie was leading his flock to the Promised Land; at least close to it. But, just like Moses, Bernie could not enter the Promised Land. I am not surprised that he has been showered with golden Shekels. His flock might even call it: "Manna from Heaven".
ColtSeavers
08-09-16, 17:51
After wandering in the wilderness, Bernie was leading his flock to the Promised Land; at least close to it. But, just like Moses, Bernie could not enter the Promised Land. I am not surprised that he has been showered with thirty pieces of Silver. His flock might even call it: "Manna from Heaven".
Fixed it for you. :)
Didn't we defeat communism once upon a time?
While it appeared so because their death was rapid they actually inflicted a very slow acting but also ultimately fatal wound that is only just now becoming obvious.
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