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rob_s
07-26-08, 17:17
Written review based on initial inspection to follow later this weekend. Firing impressions to follow in the next week or so.
working on write-up here (http://tacticalyellowvisor.net/8301/46141.html)

(LT rear sight not included with rifle)

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/STARBOARD.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/PORT.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/CD-LOGO.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/SAFETY.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/STOCK.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/EXTENSION.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/STAKE-2.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/STAKE-1.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/FA.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/T-NUMBERS.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/SCREW.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/LOWER.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/BARREL.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/FSB-STARBOARD.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/FSB-PORT.jpg
rob_s
07-26-08, 17:19
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/SHELF.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/FEEDRAMPS.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/KEY-STAKE.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/CARRIER-WEIGHT.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/MAGAZINE.jpg


http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/CDMRLE/WEIGHT.jpg
jackinfl
07-26-08, 18:14
Rob,
The pics look good.
Jack
Henchman
07-27-08, 00:46
Nice photos Rob. Can't wait to read your review of the rifle.
AllAmerican
07-27-08, 08:25
WOW! great pictures... dumb question Rob. What makes this rifle a 'LE" model compared to the regular model??? I am going to buy another carbine this weekend, and am between the MP15 and the CD to compliment my LMT so I am interested in your test to, and may just wait until your review is posted. By the way thanks for sharing this with us. I know it is not cheap to do a test like this in time and money, and it seems you do it more for the forums than for personal reasons.
Looking forward to it!!!

Thanks,
Jack
rob_s
07-27-08, 09:45
The LE model has the 1:7 4150 barrel vs. the 1:9 4140 barrel of the standard model.
AllAmerican
07-27-08, 09:47
The LE model has the 1:7 4150 barrel vs. the 1:9 4140 barrel of the standard model.

Great, thanks Rob!

Jack
SoDak
07-27-08, 10:45
Another small difference is that I think the D-M4LE has a milspec receiver extension with the h buffer and the D-M4 doesn't.
rob_s
07-27-08, 10:52
Another small difference is that I think the D-M4LE has a milspec receiver extension with the h buffer and the D-M4 doesn't.

Yep, you're right. I knew there was something else but I couldn't remember it.
D.O.B.A
07-27-08, 10:54
Very nice looking weapon! I noticed that C.D. is out of Harrisburg, PA , yet I have never seen one in person(and I live in Harrisburg)!:confused:
AllAmerican
07-27-08, 11:00
Another small difference is that I think the D-M4LE has a milspec receiver extension with the h buffer and the D-M4 doesn't.

OK, Those added up, are some pretty big differences, and deffinetley would determine which model I would buy. I'm torn though between this and the
MP15 which is in stock locally.....
I have to go over the "chart" again :) and do a little more homework, though I am down to these two weapons. The gun will backup my LMT but may wind up being shot more that the LMT. I really like putting rounds down range and need to get some class time behind me. I have done some range work with my own drills. Even with my military and LE background I try to stay sharp and the LMT has run flawlessly for me so far. I only use factory ammo. I wish we had a local range with steel plates, etc. After I purchase my next rifle I am going to try and do some classes but will have to travel I know for some distance. Oh well, it will be worth it.

Thanks again guys!
Jack
rob_s
07-27-08, 11:02
In a very tightly broken down nutshell, I'd put the CD vs. M&P argument down to this:
CD has the better barrel, S&W has the better BCG.

Now, keeping in mind that one should buy a spare BCG for each gun anyway, and keeping in mind that swapping out the BCG is infinitely easier than swapping out the barrel.....
;)
AllAmerican
07-27-08, 11:17
In a very tightly broken down nutshell, I'd put the CD vs. M&P argument down to this:
CD has the better barrel, S&W has the better BCG.

Now, keeping in mind that one should buy a spare BCG for each gun anyway, and keeping in mind that swapping out the BCG is infinitely easier than swapping out the barrel.....
;)


For me it is also a matter of availability, I have not seen any CD's but like I said the MP15's they have local. I would have to pay the transfer fees unless I can talk the local gunshop to order a CD for me....

Rob, is that an M16 bolt carrier???
Charles Daly
07-27-08, 11:44
For me it is also a matter of availability, I have not seen any CD's but like I said the MP15's they have local. I would have to pay the transfer fees unless I can talk the local gunshop to order a CD for me....

This is one of the issues we face as we get more dealers on board our program. We have only been shipping since the middle of April. S&W definitely has a much broader distribution network.

I would have your dealer give us a call. We can sell him directly under our new Key and Master Dealer programs, or he can buy from one of our wholesalers. Either way, the D-M4LE's are available now and can be at your local FFL in a day or two. Perhaps we could even ship with a 2nd Day Air service. It would cost us a bit more, but I would hate to lose the sale because of the lack of local availability.
Charles Daly
07-27-08, 11:49
Very nice looking weapon! I noticed that C.D. is out of Harrisburg, PA , yet I have never seen one in person(and I live in Harrisburg)!:confused:

Perhaps we could fix that. Give me a call at the office: 540-8518. Even though we are closed to the public, I could be motivated to open the door for a fellow MC4 member who lives in my back yard.

PM me your real name so I know who is going to be calling me.

Sincerely,
AllAmerican
07-27-08, 12:15
This is one of the issues we face as we get more dealers on board our program. We have only been shipping since the middle of April. S&W definitely has a much broader distribution network.

I would have your dealer give us a call. We can sell him directly under our new Key and Master Dealer programs, or he can buy from one of our wholesalers. Either way, the D-M4LE's are available now and can be at your local FFL in a day or two. Perhaps we could even ship with a 2nd Day Air service. It would cost us a bit more, but I would hate to lose the sale because of the lack of local availability.

I just checked through your website and there is a dealer not to far from here. I will call tomorrow and see if he has the LE model, if he does I will run over there and check it out.

Much thanks,
Jack
Impact
07-27-08, 12:29
looks good. can you make the watermarks smaller ? it's killing my eyes. thanks.
D.O.B.A
07-27-08, 13:40
Perhaps we could fix that. Give me a call at the office: 540-8518. Even though we are closed to the public, I could be motivated to open the door for a fellow MC4 member who lives in my back yard.

PM me your real name so I know who is going to be calling me.

Sincerely,

Michael, Thank you for the possible invite, perhaps in the future I can take you up on it. Right now I wouldn't want to waste your time as it will be some time till I'm in the market for another AR-15. (New House/New Baby:eek:) I will definitely keep you in mind when the time comes as I am a Firm believer in spending locally, and from what I hear on these boards, you seem to be putting out a top notch product! ---Thanks! Eric
bullitt5172
07-27-08, 14:48
In a very tightly broken down nutshell, I'd put the CD vs. M&P argument down to this:
CD has the better barrel, S&W has the better BCG.

Now, keeping in mind that one should buy a spare BCG for each gun anyway, and keeping in mind that swapping out the BCG is infinitely easier than swapping out the barrel.....
;)

Rob, is this still true? I heard that S&W stopped using the LMT BCG's recently.
rob_s
07-27-08, 15:08
looks good. can you make the watermarks smaller ? it's killing my eyes. thanks.
Yep, it's a little over the top on a couple of the pics. Not going to go back and change it though.
HES
07-27-08, 15:18
For me it is also a matter of availability, I have not seen any CD's but like I said the MP15's they have local. I would have to pay the transfer fees unless I can talk the local gunshop to order a CD for me....
have you thought of using Gun Genie to see what local dealers can get them? I used it, but what I thought was a fair price, then spoke to another dealer a month later and he said that he could have gotten it through another dealer for a bit less. So why not check out Gun genie or call some local shops. Should only take em a day or two to get one in and you avoid the FFL Xfer fee.
C4IGrant
07-27-08, 15:25
Rob, is this still true? I heard that S&W stopped using the LMT BCG's recently.


S&W stopped using LMT BCG's come time ago. The bolts they are using though are HPT/MP'd.


C4
mrosamilia
07-27-08, 15:44
Very nice looking weapon! I noticed that C.D. is out of Harrisburg, PA , yet I have never seen one in person(and I live in Harrisburg)!:confused:


I live in Renovo PA and have never seen one yet as well.:(